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It's back to Oreo and this time it's forever

I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!

Why not sell it and get n9600? Snapdragon and rootable.
Best of both worlds.

roaduardo said:
I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!
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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?

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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?
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Call recording being the biggest one and overall smaller ways in which the OS is laid out. Like with the camera settings and notifications work.

Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.

HuStLaZ said:
Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.
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That's fair. We're all different.

Bought my Note 9 when One UI was just released. Had a lot of trouble with several key apps (banking, mail, weather and some news apps). Had crashes and graphical glitches almost every day and every week a "fatal" crash were I had to restart my Note with a button combination. I was thinking about returning my device. Kept is and installed the latest Oreo 8.1 version. Almost all software problems are gone. For 3 days not a single crash. Keep my fingers crossed

dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.

i have to say my experience is totally different. I think OneUI is fantastic and a major differentiator. i think samsung has taken the OS and built on it. I am a phone junkie and regularly look to buy other devices, but this is the first time im sticking to Samsung not only because of HW but now SW.

I'm a happy camper with One UI. Not gonna lie, I loved how Oreo on note 9 looked. But I'm guilty of upgrading phones twice every year. A fresh look gives me no reason to upgrade to S10 lol. I'll wait till note 10 comes out.

bober10113 said:
dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.
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No. My Note upgraded to Pie/One UI immediately after talking it out of the box and setting it up. My user experience with the Note is One Ui only. I've factory reset (deleting data and settings) my Note four times (installed a different set of apps every time) and didn't use a backup (coming from an iPhone) so it was a 100% fresh install. The problems started the same evening, the first crash was within a few hours. With Oreo i'm missing a few features (night mode and lift to wake for example). One Ui is definitely looking more polished.

Friendly reminder, the only constant in the technology world is change. Anyway, Pie takes some getting use to and my biggest complaint is notifications have stopped while my screen is off. I still get calls and texts, but everything else stopped. Android called it Doze and change is inevitable.
https://developer.android.com/training/monitoring-device-state/doze-standby

I like one UI a lot. It's very modern and fluid. I don't have many issues with it. I've disabled updates, though, hoping for root to come soon so I can flash even better customized one UI roms and remove the crap they include permanently instead of just disabling it. That way the phone is lighter and the processor wouldn't have to work as hard.
I get your points, though.

I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.

bligui said:
I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.
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Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE

butchieboy said:
Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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butchieboy said:
Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]

K-alz said:
I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]
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Lol...I dont kind sir.
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE

butchieboy said:
Lol...I dont kind sir.
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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Mhm. I "believe" you. Then why were you concerned about the notifications going through your BT in the car? Haha

To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.

sputnik767 said:
To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.
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Not disagreeing with you but there certainly are still some good reasons (in my opinion) for rooting.
Disabled high volume warrning with headphones (I personally found this very annoying)
System wide ad blocking
More efficient kernels
Use of Samsung's built-in call recorder
Battery charge limiting
The option to install AOSP based ROMs (Although the lack of HWC means battery life is poor)
Biometric unlock after reboot
More theming options
Use any app with the dual app tool

Planning on purchasing a new Note 9, some questions...

Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.

No
No
Very good
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Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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it all depends on what you install on it.
but for the last question stock is pretty good. especially if device has the latest firmware(software update)

Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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Best way to charge is with a wireless charge pad overnight. That's a slow charge and very easy on the battery. By the end of my 12hr days of moderate talking/texting, the phone is at 80%, and then I use it all night (instead of tv) and it's at 50% when I go to bed. That's with auto brightness, the dark UI (night mode) and no added theme. Dark mode all the apps. It looks gorgeous. I've had it for about four months, and it's an amazing phone. No lag. VERY nice OS (Android 9 + OneUI). Camera app is excellent. Google Cam app would not be better. When you buy a Note9 new, do ALL the updates (Android 8 to 9 and all security patches) right away before installing any apps, and you will have a trouble-free system. Android 9 in most regions does not have call recording. A US unbranded Note9 is bloat-free and great for T-Mobile, because you still get wifi-calling and VoLTE, but for the other carriers, you lose those if you don't get their branded version. If you want to root your phone, you must buy an Exynos or dual-sim Snapdragon version. All US Note9 versions are bootloader-locked and will not root. Ain't happening. This is the first Android setup I've had where it's so good I don't need root (7 of my Androids are rooted and non-stock ROMmed). Note9 is better than Note10. The last great Samsung phone.

If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.

docdg said:
If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.
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CDMA has always been terrible.

Nah just this phone

ok thanks guys
It's really betweent his and the S9 for now.

No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.

dave678 said:
No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.
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Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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bat0nas said:
Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.

I want to buy a 512GB Note9 International for Christmas or so, nice to see everyone is happy with the phone & the updates

dave678 said:
Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.
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Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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dave678 said:
Easy. Because I hate Pie.
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Don't go past Oreo Dave. There is more wrong past that than is immediately apparent. Most of the complaints at the play store about apps that used to work and don't anymore is based on not only Pie, but also play store updates that put you in iPhone prison. The apps at the Play Store had to be rewritten to uselessness to remain listed, which made apkpure.com my new friend to download previous versions of apps, and turn off Google Policy Updates at both the play store and my phone. Because I have the 960U, I had to flash to the US UNLOCKED U1 firmware and then disable updates in the configs by following these instructions. The forcing updates by US carriers and play store to strip functionality that protects you appears to be a US deep state driven thing because many nations won't put up with those restrictions and appears to be a U-model-only thing.

There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.

Had zero issues after update.
When I hear people complaining about such things I tend to believe that the problem is not with pie+one_ui but with the people.
Yes there are exceptions.
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bat0nas said:
Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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I have tried it multipe times whenever I go to Costco. By playing around with an S10 and Note 10 Plus and I still hate it.
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gruuvin said:
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.
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I just hate the look and no AM or PM.

gruuvin said:
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you don't need that, then you can update without worry.
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I would agree with that. Actually, any app other than a dialer that leverages your contacts and call history is hamstrung or no longer works. On Android 10, they purposely killed call recording altogether. Since most calls go VoLTE, the calling parties are the only ones deprived of a record of their calls. Everyone else in the chain keeps a copy.
Android established its market by being the open choice, and actually the only choice for non-Apple after Steve Balmer pulled the plug on the Windows Mobile/Pocket PC. Even rooting was a normal option without permanently disabling the capabilities of your device. The progression has been to force IOS limitations upon Android, with more an more access to your private information by phone makers and Google. As with LTE-A, It's time for a non-proprietary mobile operating system that is beholden to its users instead of companies and governments. Vendors can plug their Touchwiz or whatever into that.
As for CDMA, Qualcomm used it as a product name because it incorporates cdma as a technology. The only reason GSM didn't go with it is CDMA as a product name and technology is because it was owned by Qualcomm. GSM service was poor, expensive, and impractical in many areas until later when GSM went to cdma. The EU legislated against CDMA, and this affected their orbiting countries. Developed countries went with CDMA, including the US, Japan, South Korea, Russia, etc., and even countries in the EU bolted GSM for CDMA. The defining moment came at 4G time when Sprint gained control of Clearwire, the owner of the new 4G, Wi-MAX. This caused Verizon to bolt Wi-MAX. Their clout plus the emerging Cingular/ATT network caused Sprint to realize they couldn't pull this off and they also bolted. That enabled LTE to gain critical mass and LTE-A to become the IP of cellular networks. With the problem becoming usable cellular bandwidth, and with a usable de facto worldwide standard for wireless communication, the FCC and similar organizations could now force out the 3G and earlier technologies that were tying up bandwidth. Because CDMA is locked to the wireless network vendor and cannot be shared, it is logical for it to be the first on the chopping block. There are no longer any Wi-MAX phones, but Clearwire, who was and is many years ahead, has gone on to provide the wireless matrix for many of the largest cities around the world with user technologies at their perimeter, of which 5G is one. GSM's claim to fame has never been one of technical superiority, it has been openness and interoperability. However, the US did something similar when it developed the DARPANET/INTERNET by not allowing proprietary protocols and building out IP.

When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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dave678 said:
I just hate the look and no AM or PM.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.

gruuvin said:
When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.
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Ahh the old look out the window comment. You live in Alaska you're ****ed so you need AM and PM. Also it's on phones for years until the notch trend rolled in and they axed it. If it's useless then why did so many people beg Samsung to bring it back during the Pie beta test?

Petition: Give Android 11 for S9!

Samsung said that all flagships after and including the S10 will get 3 years of Android OS updates. It's a bit unfair for us Note9 and S9 users so I created a petition to Samsung asking them to reconsider adding the S9, S9+ and Note9 to the 3 year major updates support program as well. Here's the link: https://www.change.org/p/samsung-give-android-11-oneui-3-0-to-galaxy-note9-s9-phones
The more people that sign it the better chance we have of Samsung acknowledging it!

Since our S9's launched with Android 8.0, I don't think that Samsung will update to Android 11... And in my opinion, Samsung already done a great work with S9's, bringning OneUi 2.1 and 2.5 later. Anyways, I'll sign the petition.

Rick_BR said:
Since our S9's launched with Android 8.0, I don't think that Samsung will update to Android 11... And in my opinion, Samsung already done a great work with S9's, bringning OneUi 2.1 and 2.5 later. Anyways, I'll sign the petition.
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I agree as for me OneUI updates are way more important than Android ones and I'm happy we got 2.1 and will get 2.5 but it doesn't hurt to try to get OneUI 3.0 too

if we won't get android 11 (and probably won't imo) ,do you think that at least a porting from other phones would happen unofficially? i saw this trend many times in the note series

If Samsung considered bringing OneUI 3.0 for the galaxy S9 series, they should adopt a better RAM management algorithm because 4GB for the S9 isn't enough anymore. The performance is already messed up after OneUI 2.1, and there's a lot of overheating, and I always find a lot of unnecessary apps running in the background for no reason, like secure folder apps (I rarely use Secure folder), gallery stories (which I disabled long time ago from gallery settings), Samsung pass (which I don't use frequently), Galaxy Buds (I only used it once when I tried my friend's buds), Gallery app and Samsung keyboard which always take 100-300MB each, even when not in use, and many other apps.
I know the list is very long, but it's driving me crazy
PS : All of this happens even if all apps are closed from the Recent menu.

I don't think it is really necessary, Android 11 most important feature is the introduction of inbuilt screen recorder, which our Galaxy S9 already has since Android 10... so we really aren't missing much, only some notifications changes and some other minor things.
You shouldn't really care about receiving this update... it probably will only make your device slower to be honest hahah
If you REALLY want this... wait for custom roms, they will be lighter and faster than the official one would be.

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I don't think it is really necessary, Android 11 most important feature is the introduction of inbuilt screen recorder, which our Galaxy S9 already has since Android 10... so we really aren't missing much, only some notifications changes and some other minor things.
You shouldn't really care about receiving this update... it probably will only make your device slower to be honest hahah
If you REALLY want this... wait for custom roms, they will be lighter and faster than the official one would be.
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Samsung usually adds a lot of extra features in every new Android OS version, and I'm sure it will be the case with OneUI 3.0.

Signed who knows...??????

signed

We deserve this update because the Note 10 lite is just as powerful as the S9 and it's still eligible for android 11 and 12.

Unfortunately, over time, no such petition has been successful

Signed. Damn, first post in 6 years!

signed, yay.

Harmony OS upgrade for P20 Pro in 2022 H1

promised here https://liliputing.com/2021/06/huaweis-3-new-matepad-tablets-run-harmonyos.html

I'm skeptical but that's interesting. I'll have to replace the device anyway this fall (as I need a recent version of Google enterprise services to run on my device) but I suppose it would be nice to have some updates on the P20 Pro if only as a backup device

I already moved on but keeping P20 Pro as backup device (battery replaced). It is very nice form factor, quite light, and camera is still very good even by modern standards. Anyway, will be reading reports of Harmony OS upgrades on P40 with great interest. Not a fan of Huawei UI, but it might be nice to get updates and patches for a 4 year old device

This is good and bad at the same time. On one hand, Huawei has finally adapted a good alternative for android, which means more competition(even if it is a fork). Also we might get Apple-like updates, only time will tell. These updates are opt-in so you are not obligated to use HarmonyOS. On the other hand, you can say goodbye to Google services and any root methods that were possible and not found yet. Huawei"s services are still trash and I fear we won't be able to remove the system apps even with adb. If they pull an ultimatum and allow us to unlock our bootloaders/root our phones.....New OS or not, I am moving to another companies. Maybe Asus/Sony/Xiaomi

Well HarmonyOS really? I don't see a Point Moving to it.. Im more than Happy to use LineageOS 16.0 on it Instead a few Months ago, Well HarmonyOS doesnt Include Google Apps and Kills Root Methods.. well i don't care i will Stick with other Operating Systems on my P20 Pro and will not Go Back to Huawei's Made Software until i will in the Future move to a Different Manufacture (Xiaomi or OnePlus)
In terms of software, I am totally disappointed with Huawei .. also how they Handle the Bootloader Unlock with a code .. Like there is something to hide about EMUI.. sorry but that's ridiculous.

You guys should stop spreading misinformation. P20 Pro came with GMS from the get go. If you upgrade to HarmonyOS on a device that had GMS (officially or LZPlay), GMS will still be totally usable. Even with the final build of HarmonyOS. People already tested this in the betas and final version. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:

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You guys should stop spreading misinformation. P20 Pro came with GMS from the get go. If you upgrade to HarmonyOS on a device that had GMS (officially or LZPlay), GMS will still be totally usable. Even with the final build of HarmonyOS. People already tested this in the betas and final version. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:
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It's the first time I see anyone address the fact Harmony might support GMS. I don't think anyone here was knowingly spreading misinformation, but were rather making reasonable assumptions (I also assumed HarmonyOS wouldn't support GMS, even on my P20). I hope what we see in the video carries over to the final version, it would add a couple of years to the life of the phone

I'm not eager to switch from this totally usable(even great!) phone because of the huge slabs the flagship phones have became in the recent years. I'm not really eager to switch to harmony os either, because of the potential gms problem and integration. The only problem I have is the battery doesn't hold as well as it used to, but that is normal, the phone is 3 years old...
Bottom line, I still love it! It's almost a flawless flagship even today(thinking about changing the battery in their service, but it still lasts me a day)

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I'm not eager to switch from this totally usable(even great!) phone because of the huge slabs the flagship phones have became in the recent years. I'm not really eager to switch to harmony os either, because of the potential gms problem and integration. The only problem I have is the battery doesn't hold as well as it used to, but that is normal, the phone is 3 years old...
Born line, I still love it! It's almost a flawless flagship even today(thinking about changing the battery in their service, but it still lasts me a day)
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I agree it's still a serviceable phone, but there are a couple of reasons I will need to jump ship. Lack of a major Android update (we'll be 2 versions behind and my employer doesn't let us keep a phone beyond n-1), and lack of security updates. Locking the bootloader midway through the sales cycle for this phone was a big mistake, it would have been one for the ages.

Guys good news. We gonna get HarmonyOS. Except it will be EMUI 12.
https://www.facebook.com/HUAWEICommunityGlobal/posts/3031974087090494

There is no official coment weather it will be harmony or android yet. Hoping for android...

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There is no official coment weather it will be harmony or android yet. Hoping for android...
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Seeing as we didn't get Android 11 on this phone, I'd be surprised if they provided Android 12. That would be a first, as far as I can tell.

EMUI 12 (beta for now) for older global devices has been confirmed to be Android 10 - based with some bits of HarmonyOS UI code. Nova 9 has been an exception, as it was released with Android 11 - based EMUI 12.x. I highly doubt we will ever get an updated Android 11 - based EMUI 12 on our older devices, when it gets out of Beta.
[EMUI 12] The Taste of HarmonyOS
UPDATE 11/11/2021: EMUI 12 beta program for Mate 40 Pro, P40, P40 Pro, P40 Pro Plus, Mate 30 Pro stared in East Asia and Russia, and now is expanding to some markets in Europe. Download beta app and check if you can participate: https://bit.ly/Bet
consumer.huawei.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/Huawei/comments/qzmn3t

Well, thats mega annoying, had some hope we get a up2date OS once again. Shame on Huawei, after my P20 Pro im done with them for sure too. Not that they restrict Hardware Levels, APIs and so on, but this is too much on top.

Can you record phone calls with this OS?

this morning I received notification that there is update to emui 12.0.0.225, size 4.42GB. downoloading

In Romania too. Not yet on my phone though

not much changed, mostly control center in the shade

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not much changed, mostly control center in the shade
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Yup. I've been using it on my p30pro. Not a spectacular change

Question Pixel 7

I'm wondering if it pays to get the Pixel 7, considering all the problems that i've been reading about.? Would it be a good idea to root this phone, if i get one? Thanks for any feedback.

stock runs great and you can disable what apps you don't want. i hadd no problems with it so far. so its not neccesary to root if you dont want to but it fun to try diffrent roms.

I just moved from a oneplus 6 (5 years!) to a 9 Pro and then the P7. Each step was a marked improvement. Only kept the 9 Pro for a week as it's app throttling was too severe and I really don't like flashing custom ROMs on current handsets. I see none of the issues typically seen in Pixel 7 reddit posts. Maybe a little warm during charging but less than most rapid charge devices. I disabled Wellbeing and and google home, otherwise prefect out of the box and remains so. Get a case. The new pixel is like holding onto a smallmouth bass.
The difference between QHD and refresh rate is minimal except for the reduced battery life with the Pro, so I am happy with the 7 and will keep it a long time.

I preordered mine, and have not had one issue since getting it. To me it's the perfect phone. All phones will have some issues with some units, but overall I think it's worth the investment.

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I'm wondering if it pays to get the Pixel 7, considering all the problems that i've been reading about.? Would it be a good idea to root this phone, if i get one? Thanks for any feedback.
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Feb patch has been pretty stable. January was poo poo. Pixel 7 itself? awesome, recommend it. Software clean camera immaculate. Recent feb patch also stabilize the phone and its battery life.

I had a Pixel 6 and it was a real PITA. Stock ROM was buggy and overall I just did not like the device. Anyway I got a Pixel 7 and for me it's a much more nice device. I guess I will keep it for quite a long time. Usually I buy a new/used flagship device every six months. But I'm tired of that behavior pattern.
I tried various custom ROMs and Graphene OS on my Pixel 7, but I did not really like the ROMs/OS so I went back to stock ROM, and for me that is the best thing at the moment. It's very smooth, fast and problems/bugs are rare. I'm still in love with the Pixel camera system btw.
My Pixel 7 stock ROM setup/stuff I did
Used Pixel Flasher to flash the stock ROM and to root with Magisk. Pixel Flasher is awesome, making things way more easy if you understand the concept (for monthly updates it's great too)
Flashed Kirisakura Kernel to have at least some tweaks and it runs great (used Franco Kernel Manager to flash the kernel)
Debloated the system (getting rid of useless Google Apps stuff) using Android Debloater
In Magisk having the Powerhint Module (for the kernel), Safety Net Fix, and Sui for App Ops
App Ops by Xingchen & Rikka for privacy (editing system/user app permissions with more detail)
Adaway (systemless hosts file / Magisk) with extra hostfile sources for adblocking and privacy
Custom DNS provider for privacy

The P7 is a great phone. I'm not sure what "all the problems" are that you mentioned. Arguably the finger print sensor still isn't the greatest, but it works well enough and the phone also has face unlock if you want to use that.
I had a P6 prior to the P7 and the P7 is noticeably better than the P6. Honestly it surprised me when I got the P7 because I wasn't really expecting any differences. (I took advantage of the Google pricing and trade in values and upgraded for $20 plus tax - I wasn't really looking to upgrade from the P6, but couldn't pass up on that deal. Now I am very happy that I did upgrade).
Prior to the P6, I rooted every phone I owned for the last decade or so. I didn't feel the need to root on the P6 and I haven't felt the need to root the P7. Honestly at this point, rooting would cause me more heartburn than solving problems for me. Perhaps other people are different, but there isn't really anything that I need that requires rooting.