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Hi all,
So, it was posted at the end of last month that cmonex was willing to lend her expertise to helping address the video driver issue. However, she needed access to a Kaiser to do so.
Now I have heard a lot about her abilities across the fora. I am all for people's efforts to raise awareness and force HTC to address this (see my other post below) but I am also keen to give her a chance to see what she can do.
All it needs is for about 25 people to donate £10 each and we can buy one to send to her. I am happy to organise this, with a purchase via Ebay. However, I am not able to put up the whole amount myself. Also if we club together to fund this, if it doesn't work out, no-one has lost a large amount.
I would purchase it on Ebay and post the auction link here so that all can see the money has been spent as intended.
Post below if you are willing to contribute and once we have enough volunteers, I will identify a suitable auction. Please only post if you are truly willing to part with the money. I know there is the bounty fund but suggestions to use some of that to fund this purchase have fallen flat, and I think we need to organise this properly.
Of course, no one could reply and I'll feel quite embarrased at this post! (Mods, I might call on your pity to remove this if that happens!!) But I figure it's worth a try - if we all do what we can, maybe we can conclude this issue.
PS Don't bother posting to say what's the point. I know we 30days to return, no-one forced us to purchase. I am extremelly happy with this phone and would only consider selling if there was another product exactly the same, only with hardware acceleration support! Just want to get the most from the device we were given. I realise HTC never promised h/w acceleration, and that the chipset just has the capacity. But surely the spirit of XDA-devs is to try optimise the experience we get from our devices?!
I'm in for $20 US
Thanks. No-one else keen to pursue other options? I have confirmed with cmonex that she has not yet got a TyTN 2 to work on...
im in for $25 USD
I'm in for $20 USD
I'll chip in £10
In for $20 USD
As long as people can confirm this is a reputable deal with some chance of success, I am in for £10. I (and I am sure many others) would be reassured if a mod was involved in this thread.
Surur
Count me in for $30 US... as long as we can verify that's he'she is not just trying to get a free Kaiser.
$20 US. Plus some letters to make the post long enough.
Criminy.
$20 here. (and perhaps the chance to be one of the first test dummies?)
refurb tilt?
i know i dont have a premier account, but ive been hearing about people getting tilts for $149.99 which is pretty cheap. Maybe thats an option as well?
We need a two year contract for that.
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not really, depending on the agreement between at&t and the company.......u can do a "device only" upgrade several times a year, some even have the privilege of unlimited upgrades.
Fisha21 has a few posts, some questions & others answers so he looks pretty genuine to me (plus he's British so stiff upper lip and fair play old chap ).
I don't have a problem putting in a few quid for this, but I think it might be better to contact Chainfire (as a focal point) and offer the services through his website so we can be publicly seen to be:
a. Disgruntled with HTC.
b. Prepared to take action against HTC.
c. Prepared to find our own solutions - even if this involves costs over and above our original purchase price.
This might even highlight to HTC that we could work with THEM to get a solution which avoids bad publicity, pissed-off-never-to-return customers and ultimately unlocks the real potential of the Kaiser.
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Fisha21 has a few posts, some questions & others answers so he looks pretty genuine to me (plus he's British so stiff upper lip and fair play old chap ).
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Indeed.
I just commented last night on another thread that there was a lack of interest in this thread - looks I am being proved wrong. That works out to about £84, using XE.com to convert USD to GBP. I will lay down £30, which gives about £114 so far.
I fully agree that people need to know I am not just trying to get a free TyTN2! I can post a photo of mine to prove I already have one. Or I am more than happy for a mod/Chainfire to get involved/ be a front person/ takeover...whatever works. I just want to pursue all available options rather than relying on HTC choosing/being forced to help us out.
I did not suggest linking it to the Class Action website as I thought it might be better to keep the two separate. Not sure how it works legally if we get someone to develop software without HTC's involvement. Perhaps if something comes of it, then we can link it - otherwise stay under the radar?
EDIT: Besides, it is thanks to this site that my TyTN2 is running as well as it does - I don't want to get barred from here for scamming members! Where will I get all my cab, ROMs and general software goodies?!
How about this: Put up the paypal account so we can start filling it up. If we can get $7000 pledged, people will probably happily instantly pay anything between 1 and 10 EUR if it increases the chances of us getting decent drivers. 350 people donating 1 EUR shouldn't be to hard to achieve, right?
Even if nothing came out of it, I wouldn't mourn over my euro
Im not dissing this idea, just telling another way to think about this:
The bounty is so big now, that i would think anyone who thinks she or he could possibly pull this off, could buy the Kaiser with their own money.
Anyway if there is no success, selling the Kaiser would bring most of the money back to he or her...
I am certainly not saying that I am going to try and solve this - just trying to facilitate things!
Just thought it would be less of a loss, if things don't work out, if lots of people donate small amounts of money, rather than one person shelling out £300 (although I'm not sure we'd actually get 350 people donating even just 1 Euro).
Also, with someone (very busy) having offered to help us out with this, it seems rude to say "Yes please, but buy your own device to work on". Know what I'm saying?
No-one has to donate to this at all - if there aren't enough people interested, then the idea stops here. However, I am working on setting up a reliable method of collecting the money, so people can be happy it's genuine.
Also, bear in mind this is not likely to be a quick fix, especially as Cmonex is also working on other things (and has a life!). This being the case, if it didn't work, I don't think the TyTN2 would be worth as much at that point, so I doubt the initial outlay would be recovered - hence the thinking that multiple small donations would be better.
Yes, I understand thet buying the phone isnt that big of a deal compared to the problem, but there is also that 7000USD bounty. Thats not small change if someone is able to do it solo.
I would imagine if someone thinks that he or she is able to do this, investing few hundred on a phone what you can sell after, wouldnt be the obstacle in it.
If people want to buy the phone its ok, but I dont know if it really would be necessary...
Is it available anywhere in UK other than Expansys? TotalPDA says 'In Stock' but when you call them they say the 13th.
Want one NOW!!!
firedup said:
Is it available anywhere in UK other than Expansys? TotalPDA says 'In Stock' but when you call them they say the 13th.
Want one NOW!!!
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yes from ebay.
walshieau said:
yes from ebay.
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Mmm no good to me, I need next day delivery...anyone know anywhere else? I'm going to have to pay Expansys otherwise and I HATE them!
firedup said:
Mmm no good to me, I need next day delivery...anyone know anywhere else? I'm going to have to pay Expansys otherwise and I HATE them!
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Well your only choice is Expansys then but beware you will get a non uk spec model which means you wont get any HTC UK warranty support. IF anything goes wrong with it, you will need to send it back to Expansys for them to sort out and the worst part about it??...you will only get 12mths warranty not the usual 18-24mth warranty that comes with UK spec models. Plus you will have to register the unit with HTC Asia to get any updates.
The worst thing is that Expansys are selling at a far higher price than other retailers. Personally if i was you, id wait the extra week or so...totalpda are saying they will have them next week and they are selling them for £410...a hell of alot more cheaper than Expansys.
But your choice though, i wouldnt touch Expansys with a barge pole now...
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Well your only choice is Expansys then but beware you will get a non uk spec model which means you wont get any HTC UK warranty support. IF anything goes wrong with it, you will need to send it back to Expansys for them to sort out and the worst part about it??...you will only get 12mths warranty not the usual 18-24mth warranty that comes with UK spec models. Plus you will have to register the unit with HTC Asia to get any updates.
The worst thing is that Expansys are selling at a far higher price than other retailers. Personally if i was you, id wait the extra week or so...totalpda are saying they will have them next week and they are selling them for £410...a hell of alot more cheaper than Expansys.
But your choice though, i wouldnt touch Expansys with a barge pole now...
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Yeah I think your right. I havent bought anything off them in years as they're always arrogant and overpriced. I'll wait until next week.
Cheers
firedup said:
Yeah I think your right. I havent bought anything off them in years as they're always arrogant and overpriced. I'll wait until next week.
Cheers
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I would say its the best thing you could do mate, im really after one myself although am not too sure if ill end up keeping it but id rather wait an extra week or so and get a proper UK spec model...that way i know ill have tech support by HTC UK and updates via them as well. But thats not to say that you wont get updates via HTC or warranty if you do buy a grey import...just means that you will have register the unit on the asian website rather than the uk one. Plus theres always the fear that seeing as you didnt buy it from a uk retailer, you might not end up getting it fixed/replaced should it go wrong etc. And just to point out, Expansys havent as of yet even confirmed what or how the warranty works with these grey imports.
Plus too many times inthe past ive paid a silly price to have the latest phone, only to find out that the price dropped in a matter of days.
Yeah fair comment - you sound as bad as me! I just want something to play with over the weekend!
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Yeah fair comment - you sound as bad as me! I just want something to play with over the weekend!
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LOL i know, i dont want to wait but id rather be safe in the knowledge that should my Diamond go belly up...ill have full HTC UK support and updates.
Oh well cant wait for next week to come though....ill be honest im really wanting the Sony Xperia X1 though but seeing as that wont be out for sometime...im going to have to settle for the Diamond.
Do what i did, look at the uk ebay sellers, see if one lives near by, ring them up or pm them and ask for one cash on delivery, i got one from manchester a few days ago (2hr round trip for me lol)
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Do what i did, look at the uk ebay sellers, see if one lives near by, ring them up or pm them and ask for one cash on delivery, i got one from manchester a few days ago (2hr round trip for me lol)
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Yeah tried that bit only HK sellers at the min - can't really justify that round trip! The only UK seller says No cash on collection.
I really don't see the problem with buying from Expansys.
So what if they're grey imports? No-one knows for sure the situaion with regard to warranty etc. And how many people have ever had to use the warranty anyway? The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is Expansys will handle repairs under warranty in the first year, and I can't see many people on here having the device for more than 12 months anyway!
Regarding software updates, I'm sure that anything HTC release will be available on here.
The only problem I can see is the price but I decided I wanted one now so I've stumped up the extra money to get it now.
Also, I would have money on TotalPDA et al having further delays, I think the DeviceWire date of 23rd June is more likely than next week, so I've bitten the bullet and gone down the Expansys route. And with Saturday delivery I should have it tomorrow
I don't think you'll regret it. I have mine and it's very, very nice. Make sure you do the cache size tweak in the tweaks post fairly soon after you get it. It makes all the difference, it's very fast now and the Touchflow is working 100% better. Can't see anything 'wrong' with the phone at all. Hope you enjoy it as much as I am!
Another Potential Source
I pre-ordered mine from Play.com if anyone's interested.
Cheapest price I found and should be special delivery (next day).
Stock date was originally 9th June but recently changed to 13th and holding there.
All the best.
i,ll giv u 10000% support. noce sound
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I really don't see the problem with buying from Expansys.
So what if they're grey imports? No-one knows for sure the situaion with regard to warranty etc. And how many people have ever had to use the warranty anyway? The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is Expansys will handle repairs under warranty in the first year, and I can't see many people on here having the device for more than 12 months anyway!
Regarding software updates, I'm sure that anything HTC release will be available on here.
The only problem I can see is the price but I decided I wanted one now so I've stumped up the extra money to get it now.
Also, I would have money on TotalPDA et al having further delays, I think the DeviceWire date of 23rd June is more likely than next week, so I've bitten the bullet and gone down the Expansys route. And with Saturday delivery I should have it tomorrow
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mouseymousey said:
I really don't see the problem with buying from Expansys.
So what if they're grey imports? No-one knows for sure the situaion with regard to warranty etc. And how many people have ever had to use the warranty anyway? The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is Expansys will handle repairs under warranty in the first year, and I can't see many people on here having the device for more than 12 months anyway!
Regarding software updates, I'm sure that anything HTC release will be available on here.
The only problem I can see is the price but I decided I wanted one now so I've stumped up the extra money to get it now.
Also, I would have money on TotalPDA et al having further delays, I think the DeviceWire date of 23rd June is more likely than next week, so I've bitten the bullet and gone down the Expansys route. And with Saturday delivery I should have it tomorrow
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I know you've bought it now so there's going to be no convincing you but i have to correct you anyway
The point is that you have NO idea what sort of waranty expansys are offering. It could be the case that they have to ship it back to asia to have it repaired adding alot of lead time for their processes on each end.
It could be that they don't cover some minor things that the original waranty would because they don't want to spend money couriering it to HK for something minor - you might say they can't do this because of the terms of the waranty slip or whatever, but there's alot to be said for intepretation of those terms!
The waranty is an added value service to the phone. Even if you never use it, and only keep the phone for 12 months, the resale value of your phone will be alot less in 12 months time vs someone who still has a 12 month UK waranty left.
Also because you don't know what the 'value' of a 12 month expansys waranty is, you could find in 2 months time news breaks online it aint worth ****, and sure you can legally fight for your rights, but your resale value on your phone will be impacted drasticly.
And for the risk of all this you're paying potentially 90 pounds more, to have it 1 or 2 weeks early. Hey thats your decision, but please don't be one of those people who tries to convince themselves it aint like it is. It is like it is, and if you go ahead, do it knowing that!
I'm not sure how that post was correcting me, it was just offering your opinion which of course you're entitled to.
I've had mobile phones for many many years, and lots of different HTC models and I've never had to claim on warranty yet.
I'm happy to pay the extra and take what I think is a very, very minimal risk. If I listened to doom mongers like you I'd never do anything.
Oh and regarding resale values in 12 months when it may or may not be out of warranty, just how much do you really think that will make a difference? Resale value of a 12 month old phone is going to be very low, with or without a year to run on warranty.
OK, it's arrived! Which means I've been able to read the warranty card. The card states 24 months for the phone and 12 months for accessories.
Well if i saw 10 phones on ebay, and 5 of them had 12 months left, i know which i would buy.
Correcting you in that you tried to make out waranty is worthless. Its not!
You may have had 1000 phones for all i care, eventually one will break. Thats just statistics.
With regards to 'If I listened to doom mongers like you I'd never do anything.' you completly missed the point. Its not about omg its all destined to end in misery. Its that there is a very real and sensible argument about waranty and support here. It is your choice weather to buy in spite of that - but instead of saying YOU dont care about the waranty you are implying no one should.
As for the waranty card there are conflicting reports, and this was my point - no one knows the truth right now:
- Some people are saying HTC have told them they categorically WILL NOT waranty the devices outside of their original intended sales region - and variations of essentially the same point.
- One person has said that HTC will not adhere to any terms on paperwork inside the box as it was not intended for this region.
- One person says he was told HTC WILL uphold the waranty.
- Expansys say these devices do have a waranty.
- Expansys refuse to publically confirm the length of the warnanty, but some people have pasted emails from expansys confirming a 12 month waranty.
- Expansys have said that the waranty of the device is through them, not direct with HTC.
- People have been unable to register on the UK site, and only the english HK site.
- If HTC say that these devices were sold in this region without their permission, expansys will be fined again.
Maybe none of that matters to you, but i'm sure it does to some people. The uncertainty at least.
EDIT: Anyway i think my point is made and i don't expect you to agree with it. I'd rather this didnt degenerate into an argument, so thats my last word on it. Respond with any last comments you have on the topic, and lets leave it there
Yep, fair enough, no point arguing about it. Incidentally, the warranty is not transferable if you sell the phone, without HTC's written permission. Such permission will not be reasonably withheld, it says in the warranty card.
Just wondering how many people get this written permission before selling their phones, not many I'll wager.
Funny thing here when I see some phones sell for $200 and then 2 more people come and put it up for $400 or $600. What I don't get is why can't you guys follow the regular market? You won't get the best price for selling stuff here because almost everyone knows the device and how much it's worth. Ebay/Craigslist are usually the ones that sell for higher because you have a bigger audience. In a dev forum, I think that people would be looking for the best price. I bought a touch hd for $300 from the marketplace. That was a great value. Somepeople bought it for $500. I mean great, but seriously. Having things like putting up a fuze for $400 even if it's BNIB and Xperia for over $500? You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price. I saw ridiculous things such as someone asking the same amount as a brand new one from retail. It's ridiculous. I admit I'm trying to sell a device here, but not saying like $300. I am selling one with a broken screen, and all I did was look at the price for what they were regularly selling it for, find a medium, take that price, subtract money for screen. I thought that was reasonable, but I guess others don't. I don't care about getting the best sell out there. I just want to sell it to someone who knows what they're doing unlike people who buy the iPhone to show off, etc.
I agree wholeheartedly. I was actually selling a phone recently and found a buyer on Craigslist. I researched on ebay/CL first.
If never ceases to amaze me that someone thinks they can get more money for the previous gen's unlocked price than someone would pay for the current gen phone without contract. Capitalism is great and all but it's pretty easy nowadays to get right to the real market value. If you get tons of responses at one price it probably could have gone a little higher and that's how you would know.
While I can both agree and disagree, I must point out that it is at the sellers discretion what he/she may sell a device at. Likewise, it is at the buyers discretion what he/she will pay for a device. Yes, I've gotten some great deals on here. Yes, I've essentially called someone a moron here for trying to sell a device for much more than it's worth. Yes, I've been responded to on both situations. However, A devices' value will vary from one person to the next. It's all in the eyes of the techie that wants it.
With that said, I do agree that asking full retail or more for a device, regardless of its' condition, is a bit..well.. stupid. However, if someone wants the device bad enough, they'll pay the price. Case-in-point, Expansys has the Touch Pro 2 (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=179097) for 499 Sterling ($826.99 USD, for those of us who spend in USD instead of British Pounds). While I can only say "WTF ARE YOU ON", there's no doubt in my mind that Expansys is selling these devices on a regular basis. The value is all in the eyes of the buyer. Is it worth it for me to spend $830.00 on a phone? No. Is it worth it to someone else? Probably. I can't fault Expansys for trying to make some money, but I can't say that I'd be one of the suckers buying from them either.
It's all a game of perception. Regardless of market value, you'll still see some things selling for extreme prices. At the same time, you'll still see some users just about giving a device away. Final case: I got my HTC Athena (8gb MicroDrive, Window Mount, Car Charger, House Charger, Sync Cable, VGA Cable, and HTC USB Splitter (for sync + wired headset) for 200 + 15 shipping. Ebay says it sells for between 350 and 1200. The seller was interested in selling, I was interested in buying.
That's my $.02, it'll cost you $9,999.99. I take Cash, Money Order, and PayPal (verified only).
-John
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You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price.
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your points of view are valid and you are allowed to have your opinions,
opening a thread to discuss it is a good way to handle it
but to regurgitate it in every post in which you disagree about the asking price is a bit rude
(if you don't agree with the price don't bid,
make a counter offer but don't laugh at or insult the sellers, which your bargaining technique seems to be)
I never sold anything online, so
I tried to sell here 1st (I'll assume others do it for the same reason)
because eBay is a hassle (and the fees)
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it's always nice to pass it on to someone who knows how to get the most from a device
turns out eBay was less hassle then here
my conclusion is that eBay is better for newer Devices in great condition
and forums might be better for less than good condition or older devices / parts
eBay/Craigslist nets a better price because the buyer gets what they want when they want it
scouring the forum(s) for a deal takes longer and more effort
to each buyer and seller his/her own, that’s capitalism
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
I do agree with Kraize.
It is definitely an interest from the buyer and seller. Unusual price is not really helping anyone and just waste of time. Besides seller has to keep in mind that it is a forum, not like....eBay...
Its a marketplace my friend. Who we are to determine what people should ask for their phone. Your points are valid & rather it resembles to my wishful thinking as well, but you know its about market, how can we control it when US govt itself couldn't. Let them have the best price for their device if they feel then can get one here. But yes one should not feel bad about low balls for sure.(Who-M3 must be in agreement with me in this case) LOL
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
There is a perfect match always.
What I mean is that if someone decides to sell his device in $700 and someone else decide to buy it that´s ok!
Even if we know that this is not the real price.
It is different to try to scam people than the value you put your device, that is so personal.
My Univeral for me has a value of much more than it´s real price and if someone thinks like me sure if he decides to sell it will be in a superior price
There is the real value and the sentimental value...
So we just have to help to improve security for scammers, but for regular trustable members, let them sell their devices to the price they think it´s ok!
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
That said, his attitude and posts may appear to be pompous and abrasive to you, but to others his posts can be interpreted as guidance. At the same time, your post above can be seen as pompous and abrasive. However, just as you've indicated towards Kraize, it may be the way you prefer to handle this situation.
Again, with everything we have said in mind, these forums are Moderated by a team of people who do their best to stay unobtrusive. They may see some of the posts above and say "You know, that's just crossing the line". Hell, I've reported posts with less attacks for that type of stuff. At the same time, they may agree with you, or with Kraize, but that doesn't mean they'll let everything stay. That's my $.02, and I want my $9,999.99 now..
-John
Sir.B said:
judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across. Obviously I am a lot more immature. That comes with my age. I can't help being agressive when you people post stuff for such high prices, but it doesn't matter. It really does save people time from having to bump their thread, re-think their pricing, posting, rejecting, etc.
Market v. Extrinsic v. Intrinsic Value
If I may . . . I think you are all tugging and pulling at the distinctions between market value, extrinsic value, and intrinsic value. In reverse, intrinsic value of something is said to be the value that the thing has “in itself" and for its own sake. In a sense it has value because it "is". By this reckoning: Even the trade name "HTC" has value in that the goodwill that it generates makes people buy its products over say, a Palm product. I would argue this is precisely why some of you inherently react differently to characterizing a device as an "Athena" v. "Advantage" v. "Dopod" v. a "Thoth"; this-without regard to the sub-model designation, or the network carrier, if so assigned. Although it's insufficient to put it that extrinsic value is the opposite of intrisic value, for brevity, it'll do here. So, as one of our members so astutely put it "if X is in a world of letters out there, and among them, another letter, K is willing to buy X's item for $700, then the price for the item is $700". This is NOT the "Market Price" however. It is the price for THAT item; and it is reasonable between the parties. As to Market Price, that is what you get when you take the amalgamation of all like-kind transactions, based on arms-legnth negotiations, bargained-for-in-exchange resulting in an overall price scheme. (P.S. Mucking around with any of these does not affect the presence of fraud or the lack thereof. Nor does it relate much to the question of quality assurance. X can still swindle K; X can still sell K a brick. This above analysis remains unchanged).
I DO follow a rule of "tennor". A rule most of you are writing about without actually addressing it. That is: If you don't get along with the person, or find their posts insulting (even quietly insulting to your sensibility); if you have no meeting of the minds at the outset of an introductory email or PM or post, is it rational to expect you would have such a meeting of the minds when a transaction goes south? The only thing that surprises me about this . . . is that people keep getting surprised when such things occur.
Funny?
|Jason8| said:
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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Is it me or is it pretty funny that someone tried to jack this thread to sell their Fuze for $700?
I think mods are on holiday. This thread should have not been here. It affects independent functioning of market place.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
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Sorry, I am using a small screen device, it's just easier to write that way, I'll try and curb that habit. I had no idea carriage return burns bandwidth, how so?
Kraize said:
O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across.
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I never claimed to know your intentions, I simply say that your comments are harsh, you can say all the same things less derisively and more politely.
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Obviously I am a lot more immature. That comes with my age. I can't help being agressive...
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I made no assumptions about you as a person, and you yourself admit to having an aggressive approach to discourse, something I disagree as necessary. Just doesn't seem to go with "respectful" philosophy implied in forum rules.
i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
Hey!
What ever are our points of view, let´s keep this thread in peace and respect, so Mods can leave it open for continuing with this hot debate.
Just a suggestion
katzung said:
i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
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LOL. You know, if this was in real life, I'm sure that if someone told me an outrageous price, I would've smacked them, shook my head, and laughed.
Thread moved to off-topic.
The marketplace is for buying / selling / trading only.
Thanks
Dave
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This thread will be a general area for Pakistani owners and potential owners to hang out, ask questions, get advice and get help quickly.
Although it will not officially launched in Pakistan but it is available with HSN right now.
Hi. thanks for making the thread
Where is it available on HSN i can't see...
Jamal Ahmed said:
Hi. thanks for making the thread
Where is it available on HSN i can't see...
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http://homeshopping.pk/products/LG-Google-Nexus-4-in-Pakistan.html
Stupidly expensive at the moment.
God.!
Can't wait to get my hands on this thing...!
I hope it gets further easily available on other online stores like HSN jaldiiii...!!
Wait for price drop
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That is seriously expensive
Come on, $299 is roughly 30K PKR...
Any alternatives?
Your best shot is if you have someone coming to Pakistan from the US. I ordered mine earlier Nexus 4 is 8k more expensive in the UK.
iPhoneNexus said:
That is seriously expensive
Come on, $299 is roughly 30K PKR...
Any alternatives?
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importing or waiting.
harisn said:
Your best shot is if you have someone coming to Pakistan from the US. I ordered mine earlier Nexus 4 is 8k more expensive in the UK.
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Just pray you don't get a rattling one. The initial batch has some problems: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1988292
The US and Canadian prices are at par, then come the Australian prices, then the European prices.
I think Homeshopping's getting it from LG directly since LG's supplying the phones at a ludicrous price worldwide... which explains why many third party chains in Europe aren't carrying the phone.
Order it from the US if you want. I would...but I already got myself upgraded to 4.2 on the GNexus. Its the hardware and price which is the most appealing factor for me, then the camera.
(I wonder how good the camera is in the released version.)
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I am really looking forward to Nexus 4 and just cant wait to get my hands on it. I will keep following this thread inshallah.
any one here have some links in USA or dubai, through only personal trips we can have nexus 4. not locally
Locally it's price will be around 44 to 48. that is just Stupid.
299$ roughly comes out to be 28.7k right now..
HSN is selling 8GB @ 49k which is an insane Price.After 13th Nov,HSN were busy taking pre orders.But i dont know who would pre order 8GB version at that ridiculous price.Wait for a while,this price would go down very soon inshaAllah
Still hoping for a price drop.
.:finger's crossed:.
Ihtisham48 said:
Still hoping for a price drop.
.:finger's crossed:.
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It will take since some time.
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so its 50k for 16gb model from shophive now! I'm a new user and this forum isnt letting me post a link here, just goto shophive dot com and the home page lists Nexus 4 16gb.
waiting for it to hit 45k and its all mine!
So i think its imp to post in this thread i just noticed as i myself am also waiting for a nexus 4 like the rest of you... sold my s2 already and am now living on a sony eric w610i which is like 7 years old... should have taken a friends advice who told me... "you dont let one girlfriend go until you have the next one IN hand"... oh well... was trying to get it from the US but thanks to the ridiculous backorders of 6 weeks its no longer possible... i was thinking there was a logical explanation for google effing up SO badly but unfortunately there is none... the amount of customers they have and will keep losing due to missing out on this christmas season is quite a horrendous publicity stunt... I for one am also having second thoughts on is it really worth he wait...?
Anywhoo... till then... guess we have xda and can get more info on the problems surrounding this phone before actually getting it... the glass back shattering is something clumsy ppl must worry about and soon enough china will be churning out bumpers at the rate the subcontinents population grows... should be a big problem...
Now... the main issue i wanted to address here is the fact how people keep going on and on about how "aawwwww commoonnnn HSN, the Nexus is ONLY for $299.... why you sell so expensivveeeee " .... to which on every comment its very convenient for them to respond by saying... "the phone isnt available anywhere for that price... please tell me where you can find it at that price..." to which every person is like UHHHHHHHHHHHhhhHHHHHhhhhh
The sad part is HSN is right... the phone ISNT available anywhere for that price... because you have to add shipping AND tax, which brings the total to around $330 for the 8gb, and $380 for the 16gb... which comes to less than but approx 33k for the 8gb and 38k for the 16gb... which means... paying 49k for a 8gb means your being over charged by more than 15k on the phone... which is RIDICULOUS... thats $150 more...
I much rather get the 16gb from shophive for 50k as someone pointed out but wait... did you notice it says "ON ORDER"... what that means is... when you order... you probably wont get it when your expecting it in 2-3 days...
Now what i dont like is when people try to run a business but conveniently DENY they keep themselves a profit margin... For Example, If you notice on HSNs wall... every post is Oh its costing us that much hence the price high, oh international market is high not our fault... Oh google has limited 1 phone per person hence cant order from there... seriously...?? unfortunately most the ppl who post arnt educated enough in the matter and when you try to educate them (like myself who had posted a similar post on their wall which OBVIOUSLY they didnt approve)...
Having said that... when the nexus sales opened they were limited to 5 phones per head... not 1... not 2... 5 per head... only AFTER the sales reopened YESTERDAY was a limit of 2 phones per head ensued. But if you will notice Looonnnngggg before yesterday there have been chants of OH NO... ONLY ONE or TWO Phones per head like Apple limits, hence we have no choice... and were like peterpan... who does all the hard work and gives you the phones for our cost price and not earn a penny out of it...
To that i say.... "N*GGA PLEASE"...
You want to do business... your absolutely entitled to it... but dont lie blatantly to everyones face... if you dont know... say you dont know... but dont pull theories out your A$$ and expect noone to call you out. Im honestly willing to pay more than the price of the phone to get my hands on it... but NOT 15k more... screw that... i much rather wait for it because as most of you know... LG resale in pakistan is as bad as motorolas ... even tho they have amazing hardware and high quality phones, when a layman here sees the logo L-G... it leaves a taste of Atif Aslam trying to sell KG-125's to the pakistani population...
Im keeping my eye out for anyway to get the nexus from abroad for a more reasonable price and will be happy to do the same for someone who wants one... in the mean time i request if anyone can order me a phone as well ill be more than grateful...
Hope those of you who took the time to read this post will try to help spread awareness about dealings in our "ISLAMIC REPUBLIC"... and help your fellow Brother and sister out in getting what they want/need....
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Im keeping my eye out for anyway to get the nexus from abroad for a more reasonable price and will be happy to do the same for someone who wants one... in the mean time i request if anyone can order me a phone as well ill be more than grateful...
Hope those of you who took the time to read this post will try to help spread awareness about dealings in our "ISLAMIC REPUBLIC"... and help your fellow Brother and sister out in getting what they want/need....
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Get one for me!! :laugh:
Currently i'm trying to buy through a friend in Canada.
flav3r said:
so its 50k for 16gb model from shophive now! I'm a new user and this forum isnt letting me post a link here, just goto shophive dot com and the home page lists Nexus 4 16gb.
waiting for it to hit 45k and its all mine!
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50k for 16GB right now is impossible..
HSN is selling 8GB @49k
A day or 2 ago i saw a Pakistani site selling 16GB @ 58k..
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Now... the main issue i wanted to address here is the fact how people keep going on and on about how "aawwwww commoonnnn HSN, the Nexus is ONLY for $299.... why you sell so expensivveeeee " .... to which on every comment its very convenient for them to respond by saying... "the phone isnt available anywhere for that price... please tell me where you can find it at that price..." to which every person is like UHHHHHHHHHHHhhhHHHHHhhhhh
The sad part is HSN is right... the phone ISNT available anywhere for that price... because you have to add shipping AND tax, which brings the total to around $330 for the 8gb, and $380 for the 16gb... which comes to less than but approx 33k for the 8gb and 38k for the 16gb... which means... paying 49k for a 8gb means your being over charged by more than 15k on the phone... which is RIDICULOUS... thats $150 more...
I much rather get the 16gb from shophive for 50k as someone pointed out but wait... did you notice it says "ON ORDER"... what that means is... when you order... you probably wont get it when your expecting it in 2-3 days...
Now what i dont like is when people try to run a business but conveniently DENY they keep themselves a profit margin... For Example, If you notice on HSNs wall... every post is Oh its costing us that much hence the price high, oh international market is high not our fault... Oh google has limited 1 phone per person hence cant order from there... seriously...?? unfortunately most the ppl who post arnt educated enough in the matter and when you try to educate them (like myself who had posted a similar post on their wall which OBVIOUSLY they didnt approve)...
Having said that... when the nexus sales opened they were limited to 5 phones per head... not 1... not 2... 5 per head... only AFTER the sales reopened YESTERDAY was a limit of 2 phones per head ensued. But if you will notice Looonnnngggg before yesterday there have been chants of OH NO... ONLY ONE or TWO Phones per head like Apple limits, hence we have no choice... and were like peterpan... who does all the hard work and gives you the phones for our cost price and not earn a penny out of it...
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You know there are several posts of mine there at HSN 'LG Nexus 4' thread..
What surprised me was that HSN already knew that Google has restricted the devices as only 1 device/person.It was way before the official launch when HSN Mods were spreading such lies.Same answer to each & every query.I asked them to publish my comment & i'll give you the proof that people got more than one device.They did publish my post but in response the mod posted a big reply & also showed me a link of gsmarena..that post stated that google had restricted 2 devices/person.
& about our Pak people..around 99.99% people asked the same question ie 'it is available @ 299$'
They forgot that one has to pay Shipping cost+taxes.If people know the official price,then why bother coming to HSN site & bashing them.They should go & get it @ 299$ instead.Only then people would come to know the actual price.I know HSN price right now is very high,so as every dealer out there..All are like that.Outside google play,its price is more or less the same everywhere.Look at T-mobile selling it at 499$.
But people just don't get it.This device is very popular at present time.Its demand is so high.everyone wants it.Once this hype dies,price would go down big time.
PS->$380 for the 16gb version..that's the total cost if someone receives it in USA..When you bring it to Pakistan,you have to pay tax & also shipping charges from USA to Pakistan.
If you add them all,still HSN & all other are selling it at very high price because of demand
so i just spoke to shophive... and they actually are giving the 16gb for 50k... saying they ordered a few already and got them in 3 days... next order being sent out for another 4 phones... thats a amazing price... i asked him for discounts and he said just wait and its just high due to short supply but soon when it comes in the prices will drop here because its a LG and there is no such market here for it (as i already mentioned in my previous post), so those of you who are willing to spend 50k on the nexus, shophive seems tto be the real deal... MUCH bettter than HSN...
Guys I'm sure this Question would be raised much earlier, but not able to see this post. Read a lot many negative reviews about this phone, flipkart having issues with replacements, service centers not operational etc.. In a big dilemma weather to buy this or not..
Genuine advice please.
bharath88 said:
Guys I'm sure this Question would be raised much earlier, but not able to see this post. Read a lot many negative reviews about this phone, flipkart having issues with replacements, service centers not operational etc.. In a big dilemma weather to buy this or not..
Genuine advice please.
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For the money you are paying , it is definitely worth. Even i saw many negative reviews but later most of the users got their replacement , moreover the bugs are software kinda issues you could official Xiaomi English forum to fix software kinda issues.
I bought my Mi3 from flipkart only i dont have any issues so far i bought 2nd flash sale on flipkart. The sim card tray will be lil hard to open just push it hard it will pop out So Definitely for 14k it is Worth it!
a phone with better specs than Nexus 5 for half the price, do you really have to ask that question?
i am paying considerably more for it because i have to import from china, and i'd say it is still worth every penny.
for that kind of money i would only get a low-midrange device in my country (except i would go for a subsidized one with provider lock)
as with all electronic devices, there are probably going to be duds, as even the best QC will not test every single device. happens to the best. should not be used to judge in my opinion, except there is a high number of failing devices.
you have local service centers, so even that would not be a problem.
i envy you people in India, and still there are some *peeep* complaining.
check your alternatives in that price range and then tell me if you found something better?
sorry for the ranty post... i certainly don't mean to offend anyone.
don't worry too much, just buy one and enjoy it.
Lol...I just ordered my third Mi3 yesterday for my son...
i'll buy it
for me mi3 is just unfair for smartphone competition, it will drag all the fancy phone come play to the ground. MI 3 still the best phone in its class compared to others. just minus couple of things like no sdcard, no lte, not a water proof and not a dust proof. Other than that, it is a great phone and the best in its class..
and please go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-3/general/indian-xiaomi-mi3-owners-thread-views-t2846354