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Now i know once you unlock your bootloader it shows a small lock of the splack screen, correct??
Well how in depth does HTC really go into figuring out if you have rooted the phone or not for, lets say, a repair?
Because i also know that they "say" they will wave the voided warrenty for a dust problem but I've also seen problems with them failing to go through with that.
So could we theoretically just change the splash screen (or boot 2 i think it is) to the original splash screen without the lock and maybe slip by HTC's warranty?
Now if this seems illegal or something I'm terribly sorry, i just want to have a way for people who rooted to get the "full" experience to have a fall back if we dont figure out how to re-lock, or if they just simply damage the phone.
They have the power to bring a bricked phone back from the dead, how far do you think they can go?
Yes, but...
Yes, i know they could really do anything they want. (even replace the phone) But how far do they WANT to go...Do you see?
I mean why would they waste their time trying to see if your rooted or not, unless they check EVERY single phone no matter what...
Every phone gets checked. All they have to do is plug it in to their test beds, which they do to every phone. They also check every phone for water damage, and not just the white dot in the battery bay, they have others hidden throughout the phone.
The SPL won't let you flash the splash over it
Alrighty
Okay, thats all i wanted to know. I just thought maybe they didnt check every phone, maybe they used a different computer or something to check for root and they just used a simple technique for a damage check.
I do know that we cant flash the splach but im sure it will be soon to come, and by that time i'm sure we will be able to relock anyways...
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Okay, thats all i wanted to know. I just thought maybe they didnt check every phone, maybe they used a different computer or something to check for root and they just used a simple technique for a damage check.
I do know that we cant flash the splach but im sure it will be soon to come, and by that time i'm sure we will be able to relock anyways...
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Maybe... what we need is someone to leak a signed .nbh of the SPL. That is the golden ticket to being able to re-lock.
It even says unlocked in the bootloader.
pjcforpres said:
Every phone gets checked. All they have to do is plug it in to their test beds, which they do to every phone. They also check every phone for water damage, and not just the white dot in the battery bay, they have others hidden throughout the phone.
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There's a white dot on the battery bay? You actually got me curious, as installing my full body skin i did get my phone quite wet. I can't find this white dot that you are talking about.
I had to send my phone recently for a repair and it was rooted. They not only accepted it, they sent me a brand new nexus within the week. I don't think they have time to check out each and every phone for something that trivial. This isn't Apple!
hmarcus said:
I had to send my phone recently for a repair and it was rooted. They not only accepted it, they sent me a brand new nexus within the week. I don't think they have time to check out each and every phone for something that trivial. This isn't Apple!
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very nice! -congrats!
All they have to do is power on the phone and they can see if the bootloader is unlocked. That's all they need to void the warranty. Fortunately for you guys, they haven't started following through with that... yet.
I had an idea but dont know if it will work... change the boot animation/screen to a white(the lock icon color) screen, the lock will not be visible because its also white. The tech ppl will think its part of the malfunction...
hmmmm
I think you're thinking the same thing as me sort of, as I stated befor maybe when we figure out how to change the splash screen we could replace it with one without the lock icon.
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I think you're thinking the same thing as me sort of, as I stated befor maybe when we figure out how to change the splash screen we could replace it with one without the lock icon.
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Dont think its part of the screen, its an overlay.
britoso said:
Dont think its part of the screen, its an overlay.
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I wonder if simply changing that would be enough to "fool" HTC. If so then that would be quite sad.. sad as in pathetic. I would assume they would run more extensive test.
Eclair~ said:
I wonder if simply changing that would be enough to "fool" HTC. If so then that would be quite sad.. sad as in pathetic. I would assume they would run more extensive test.
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They could even go as far as pressing the trackball down when turning it on. and seeing *** UNLOCKED *** in small, friendly letters inside the bootloader menu.
Oh nice liam, I didn't know that.. I don't even have a Nexus so obviously I wouldnt. Kinda embarassing.. I was being so radical to be responded to with a simple answer.
I am in California so I have 30 days from the day I received the phone in order to return it. So I am thinking should I return it ?....If I root my phone, can I still return it without any repercussions from rooting ?...
If you are asking why do I want to return it: IDK honestly, just feel kind of stupid/bad for spending so much on this phone especially when some of its tech is already phased out (the touch screen sensor)...but it is not on a contract and I guess I can always buy another phone and even try to sell this one....
any ways..if you have any ideas/comments on any of these issues then please advise me. The main thing here is I want to know if I can return it if I root it ?
Don't think so, you void the warranty when you unlock the bootloader. I would have to imagine that your right to return it goes with the warranty as well.
I understand what you are saying, but returning and warranty are two different things, they would not necessarily be linked...
any other insights ?
Tech is phase out???? example touch sensor?
You coming from which century? year 3010?
Well if you go buy anything and void your warranty don't expect them to refund you lol
You should be able to return it unless the seller of the phone powers it on to inspect it.
buyers remorse
just return it. if you feel like it's outdated, that's a cop out. if you feel like it's defective, clear conscience.
If you root it you will never WANT to return it
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I am in California so I have 30 days from the day I received the phone in order to return it. So I am thinking should I return it ?....If I root my phone, can I still return it without any repercussions from rooting ?...
If you are asking why do I want to return it: IDK honestly, just feel kind of stupid/bad for spending so much on this phone especially when some of its tech is already phased out (the touch screen sensor)...but it is not on a contract and I guess I can always buy another phone and even try to sell this one....
any ways..if you have any ideas/comments on any of these issues then please advise me. The main thing here is I want to know if I can return it if I root it ?
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I've been hearing you complain about the phone being outdated all over the place, can you hurry and do whatever you're going to do and go to the HTC Incredible section, if there is one.
Have you already rooted it? if not, don't until you are sure you don't want to return it.
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I've been hearing you complain about the phone being outdated all over the place, can you hurry and do whatever you're going to do and go to the HTC Incredible section, if there is one.
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So what? There are other members who want insight and all I see is "yes its worth it, just keep it etc..." I mean I understand they are writing in the Nexus One section, but that does not mean they should only read/get the positive replies about the phone -there are others like me who have gripes about it and I will share my opinion as long as they are asking...why don't you just ignore everything I say since you seem so upset that I am offending your phone simply by bringing up truths and opinions WHEN ASKED mind you. Did I say the PHONE WAS OUTDATED? NO (which is beside the point any ways)- I said some of the tech is outdated/being phased out already such as the Multi Touch Sensor...now if that hurts your feelings or makes you upset then take it up with google -I for one feel that I would like to have been able to have the new MaxTouch sensor included in the Nexus, but since that is not the case then it is definitely something which makes me second guess if I should keep it or wait for another phone to arise with the MaxTouch tech.
Now why would you reply such a way to this topic when I am asking if I can return it if it is rooted, you reply has nothing to do with my topic...is it really bugging you that much? Do you really care about what I am doing/saying so much?(thanks BTW haha )
LMFAO - Look at what I found:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=650854
Looks like ~Eclair was in the same concerned position as I am....You just happen to talk about the same thing as me also -the tech being outdated...it just so happens that it HAS already been outdated (with regards to the touch sensor that is) and that is what I was unsure about...So why are you all of a sudden coming back at me like you never had the same concerns about the phone..I am sure we are not the only ones who have these same concerns and others may want to hear it -if not they can overlook it, simple.
Put simply: just stop and either please try to be helpful or don't reply at all..seems reasonable, doesn't it ?
That was funny finding that thread you made though and you are here coming after me about the same thing you created a thread about...
imo, if you didn't want this to happen you shouldn't have posted why you wanted to return it. Just simply stating the question would do.
and I also believe that rooting would cause the phone to be non-returnable. But since they can relock the bootloader, there's also not much reason why not.
yea I wish someone had some definite insight into this topic...
Call htc then?
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Call htc then?
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yeah I guess that would give me the most official answer....
I have recently purchased a Nexus One and i must say it is an amazing phone, but also very expensive! I just spent £370 on buying this brand new phone. Which brings me onto my main point, should i risk rooting or not?
I am confident with the rooting proccess and have rooted my hero etc etc, but i was happy to do so because i could also reinstall an official RUU incase something went wrong. However as we know with the N1 its not that simple. I want to be able to use features such as trackball to wake, and using the lights for notifications, being able to install market enabler and apps like autokiller and also being able to theme my nexus - but to do small things like this i still need to root my phone and void my warrenty.
So ive decided to ask you guys on wether you think it is worth my rooting my nexus one, and voiding my warrenty, or making do with no true customisational potential?
(Also silently hopeing someone finds a way to lock the bootloader :'( )
thanks
Just root it already. No regrets. I asked the same question.
But
But what if anything goes wrong with the phone over the next year? Just seems unecassary that i have to loose my warrenty to be able to make small customisations to the phone
I didn't root my phone in the first 5-6 weeks or so then once I had seen there were no obvious hardware faults I rooted it. It might be safe to take a similar approach.
Is totally up to you.. 2 things:
If you are affraid of bricking your phone due to flashing, don't be. Rule of thumb is always do Nandroid. And flash all you want. The exceptions are Radio's which pose higer risks of bricking.
That leaves hardware issues. If your screen cracks, battery explodes or button cease to function, HTC might switch your phone regardless if you have unlocked boot-loader or not. But im not sure how HTC customer service are in UK. People have done it in US and HTC didn't even raised an eyebrow to this.
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like nDrg says, is to roadtest your phone for some weeks, see if no dust crops up under the screen, or other things starts to defect. Errors on new phones usually reveal themselves in the first weeks.
rooted just after 1 day i receive it lol and Froyo inside my nexus one since Yesterday Yes From France ^^
Hmm
Ok thanks for your feedback. I was having a think and i decided to wait untill froyo comes officially to UK, and if thats not good enough to keep me happy then i will root. Thanks
I've been stuck in the limbo that is WM for what feels like way too long. I was comfortable with it; I knew it. But recently I started a love affair with Android on my TP2 thanks to HaRET and my unending curiosity. So I put an listing up on craigslist asking if anyone had an Android device they wanted to sell at a reasonable price. Within minutes, I had an e-mail from someone almost a hundred miles away saying he had a Droid he would sell for $200.. Seems like a good deal as most of the Droids on e-bay are still >$300. Unfortunately, he wants to do this deal the day after tomorrow, and has committed to driving most of the way to my city to do it.
So I come to this wonderful community that I have lurked in for quite a while in the hopes that you can give me the heads up. What do I need to know, and what do I need to look for?
Naturally, the first thing I am going to do is call the big V and confirm that the ESN is clean. But what about the phone itself? Is there anything I need to look out for? Any known issues? I read something about the back of the screen getting scratched from the sliding mechanism in another thread. Is that just the plastic that gets scratched up, or can the LCD itself get damaged?
I have also read a lot about this "locked bootloader." I think I understand this as not being able to install custom roms, but still allowing you to root. I was under the impression that rooting your device basically took care of that, so now I understand that I was wrong, and will further research what rooting is on my own. But I also see that some people have custom roms available here on XDA and that others are running Froyo on their Droids. Its all very confusing, and under normal circumstances, I would take a few days to read, research, and teach myself. But at the moment, I feel a little under the gun, as this deal won't last forever.
Anything you guys or gals can tell me would probably be more helpful than you think. I feel like I'm trying to make the switch from XP to Ubuntu.. (heh) Any and all posts will be read. Thanks.
The Droid doesn't have a locked bootloader and can be rooted easily. I bought one just like you're thinking of, I don't even have VZW service.
I put Froyo on it and I like it even though I haven't rooted yet.
Kaostick said:
I've been stuck in the limbo that is WM for what feels like way too long. I was comfortable with it; I knew it. But recently I started a love affair with Android on my TP2 thanks to HaRET and my unending curiosity. So I put an listing up on craigslist asking if anyone had an Android device they wanted to sell at a reasonable price. Within minutes, I had an e-mail from someone almost a hundred miles away saying he had a Droid he would sell for $200.. Seems like a good deal as most of the Droids on e-bay are still >$300. Unfortunately, he wants to do this deal the day after tomorrow, and has committed to driving most of the way to my city to do it.
So I come to this wonderful community that I have lurked in for quite a while in the hopes that you can give me the heads up. What do I need to know, and what do I need to look for?
Naturally, the first thing I am going to do is call the big V and confirm that the ESN is clean. But what about the phone itself? Is there anything I need to look out for? Any known issues? I read something about the back of the screen getting scratched from the sliding mechanism in another thread. Is that just the plastic that gets scratched up, or can the LCD itself get damaged?
I have also read a lot about this "locked bootloader." I think I understand this as not being able to install custom roms, but still allowing you to root. I was under the impression that rooting your device basically took care of that, so now I understand that I was wrong, and will further research what rooting is on my own. But I also see that some people have custom roms available here on XDA and that others are running Froyo on their Droids. Its all very confusing, and under normal circumstances, I would take a few days to read, research, and teach myself. But at the moment, I feel a little under the gun, as this deal won't last forever.
Anything you guys or gals can tell me would probably be more helpful than you think. I feel like I'm trying to make the switch from XP to Ubuntu.. (heh) Any and all posts will be read. Thanks.
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The back of the screen has a little layer of plastic to keep from scratching some of the plastic. It tears pretty easily, but it doesnt matter as it will not actually damage the LCDs/LEDs, just scratch the plastic back up a little bit.
The Droid does not have a Locked BootLoader, only the Milestone does. Some people do know how to get around this though.
Rooting a Droid is actually quite simple. All you need (if you are a n00b, like me and you) is to download the DroidRootKit from the web which does the most complicated work for you, while allowing you to do some of the simpler stuff.
When you Root, you are brought back to Android 2.0.1 and you cannot download apps, so you might want to download ROM Manager (Premium or Regular) and back it up for downloading Eclair and Froyo ROMs later.
If you do not want to do that, then you should download a ROM (ie, UltimateDroid) place it on your SD card after Rooting, and install that through SPRecovery or ClockWorkMod Recovery.
People who are running Froyo are either rooted and downloaded a custom ROM, or forced the update through the download at the Verizon site.
The first thing you do when you meet that guy is ask if it is Rooted or ever has been.
Then you ask him if it has ever had water damage or any problems with the LCD screen.
If he says yes to the first question, good.
If he says yes to the second or third question (water damages and/or LCD problems) then DO NOT BUY IT.
(results may vary)
It appears that there is a guy who is interning at Motorola that wants to get ahold of some bigwigs and help voice our frustration. Here is a link if you have any ideas, please share them!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/xty65/i_am_interning_at_a_major_fortune_500_company_who/
Why wouldn't they? They'll only lose the majority of the tech-geek community to other brands
DoubleYouPee said:
Why wouldn't they? They'll only lose the majority of the tech-geek community to other brands
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Some speculate that they hold a special contract with Verizon. This contract basically says: keep your bootloaders unlocked and you will be our flagship phone company. You will be in all our ads.
I just hope someone could post a convincing argument for that intern to use to further our cause.
jesusishere said:
Some speculate that they hold a special contract with Verizon. This contract basically says: keep your bootloaders unlocked and you will be our flagship phone company. You will be in all our ads.
I just hope someone could post a convincing argument for that intern to use to further our cause.
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Why would they need to have a locked bootloader to have that contract?
VZW always said it ws for the "health" of the network. That rooted devices would cause it harm.
Well, one, the Nexus is unlocked so where is the concern there? and 2. I haven't heard of any gnex causing harm to the network.
I'm guessing its because when we all found wifi tether on the OG, the network suffered. lol
Here is the reason boot loaders are locked...
...and are likely to remain locked. It's because they don't want you messing with it. Read throughout the various Android forums and you will find over and over again people talking about how they screwed up their phone and got the carrier to replace it for them. I've seen some practically bragging about how they've screwed Verizon and got them to replace the phone 3 and 4 and more times. As long as this keeps happening, they will resist allowing unlocked boot loaders.
About the only way it will ever happen is if they went to a scheme like Asus has with it's transformer series tablets. Basically they lock it. But they also provide an unlocking tool. This unlocking tool basically has warnings all over it that say that if you do it, your warranty and any claim to support are void...and we do not want to hear from you. But even then on the Transformer Prime forum on XDA you hear people complaining about problems with their unlocked device and seeking advice on how to re-lock it so they can screw the company into taking it back (Asus also made unlocking an irreversible process).
For the manufacturers and carriers there is just no incentive to unlock them. By locking them they cede the enthusiast market to a large extent but that market is a drop in the bucket compared to the market as a whole.
vbhokiefan said:
VZW always said it ws for the "health" of the network. That rooted devices would cause it harm.
Well, one, the Nexus is unlocked so where is the concern there? and 2. I haven't heard of any gnex causing harm to the network.
I'm guessing its because when we all found wifi tether on the OG, the network suffered. lol
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Well nowadays all data plans are being metered anyways. If I buy 2GB per month why does Verizon care if its used on my laptop instead of my phone for example. There was a recent FCC lawsuit against Verizon for separate tethering charges because it went against some agreement they had when they bought the 4G spectrum.
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...and are likely to remain locked. It's because they don't want you messing with it. Read throughout the various Android forums and you will find over and over again people talking about how they screwed up their phone and got the carrier to replace it for them. I've seen some practically bragging about how they've screwed Verizon and got them to replace the phone 3 and 4 and more times. As long as this keeps happening, they will resist allowing unlocked boot loaders.
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Simple, unlocking your bootloader voids the warranty and the user would agree to this before running the factory bootloader unlock program. There would also have to be an easy way to tell if the bootloader had been unlocked on a bricked phone.
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Simple, unlocking your bootloader voids the warranty and the user would agree to this before running the factory bootloader unlock program. There would also have to be an easy way to tell if the bootloader had been unlocked on a bricked phone.
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From a Verizon point of view, this remains problematic. The issue is that a user with a hardware problem that lost warranty support is likely to still be angry at Verizon for not supporting the phone; even somebody with a software issue who gets no help could express anger at Verizon and decide to leave the network for another carrier (where the cycle start again, probably.) It's a matter of control - it's hard enough supporting a ton of phones, it makes it even harder when you cannot even predict what's on the phone. And from Verizon's point of view, their brand is strong enough that they feel that they can exert this control without angering enough users to matter.
(Still, the reasons I listed above are easily solved if the OEMs provide all of the tools required to bring a phone back to stock...)
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From a Verizon point of view, this remains problematic. The issue is that a user with a hardware problem that lost warranty support is likely to still be angry at Verizon for not supporting the phone; even somebody with a software issue who gets no help could express anger at Verizon and decide to leave the network for another carrier (where the cycle start again, probably.) It's a matter of control - it's hard enough supporting a ton of phones, it makes it even harder when you cannot even predict what's on the phone. And from Verizon's point of view, their brand is strong enough that they feel that they can exert this control without angering enough users to matter.
(Still, the reasons I listed above are easily solved if the OEMs provide all of the tools required to bring a phone back to stock...)
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ratman6161 said:
...and are likely to remain locked. It's because they don't want you messing with it. Read throughout the various Android forums and you will find over and over again people talking about how they screwed up their phone and got the carrier to replace it for them. I've seen some practically bragging about how they've screwed Verizon and got them to replace the phone 3 and 4 and more times. As long as this keeps happening, they will resist allowing unlocked boot loaders.
About the only way it will ever happen is if they went to a scheme like Asus has with it's transformer series tablets. Basically they lock it. But they also provide an unlocking tool. This unlocking tool basically has warnings all over it that say that if you do it, your warranty and any claim to support are void...and we do not want to hear from you. But even then on the Transformer Prime forum on XDA you hear people complaining about problems with their unlocked device and seeking advice on how to re-lock it so they can screw the company into taking it back (Asus also made unlocking an irreversible process).
For the manufacturers and carriers there is just no incentive to unlock them. By locking them they cede the enthusiast market to a large extent but that market is a drop in the bucket compared to the market as a whole.
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I don't really like this argument though, because most of those bricks are CAUSED by the locked bootloaders and other "security" put into place. These phones are just computers with radios inside. I've never bricked my (desktop or laptop) computer, and neither have most people, because computers have been designed such that the process that brings the computer up (the BIOS) is simple, reliable, and will load anything you tell it to, negating the need to mess with it.
The OG Droid was borderline software unbrickable, because you could leave the stock bootloader in place, and the stock bootloader was able to get you back home (SBF) by itself. If all phones were built like this today, and manufacturer's had a utility to restore the phone back to stock available on their website, the people returning devices due to softbricking would probably go way down, because a softbrick would be no big deal.