This is new, just noticed it and thought it was the case, kept pushing it back down and realized it is the phone.
It's only on this side (near buttons), the glass is not cracked, the screen and everything else works fine. It is lightly used, I work from home so mostly it just sits on the charging stand (which is fairly warm -- I'm wondering if that's an issue).
Anyone know precisely where the battery is, is this likely the battery (and so maybe unsafe)?
I haven't seen this as a known issue. This is out of warranty (by about 3 months) so can I assume this is just done and time for a new phone? Or taking it in for repair I guess, but that's not an attractive thought if all they are going to do is glue it back.
Anyone run into this?
Linwood
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Any battery swelling is a failure, replace asap and do not charge.
If battery capacity or if fast charging erratically it's almost certainly the battery.
Two things Li's hate, a full charge state and high temperature.
Just replace the battery as it can damage the display too.
Many charging circuits in phones are designed to be aggressive and charge as quickly to 100% as possible.
This often runs into problems if things are left on a charger.
I have a tablet and a hot spot that are always on, so I pulled the batteries and run them on 4V,
Well, that was fast... chatted with google, expected a runaround but they said they will replace it. So kudos to them. They said to stop using it, so they must think it is unsafe at this point also. I only charged it (over the last few months) on the Google Gen 2 charging stand, it does come off there pretty warm. Wonder if that's part of it. But... just fired up my 2XL and it still boots, hopefully will actually work.
Linwood.Ferguson said:
Well, that was fast... chatted with google, expected a runaround but they said they will replace it. So kudos to them. They said to stop using it, so they must think it is unsafe at this point also. I only charged it (over the last few months) on the Google Gen 2 charging stand, it does come off there pretty warm. Wonder if that's part of it. But... just fired up my 2XL and it still boots, hopefully will actually work.
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Cable charging is better. Limit top charge to 72-80%, and recharge at 40%, maximum discharge of 20%. Li's like frequent midrange power cycling. Minimum start charge bsttery temperature of 72F. Battery temperature should not exceed 102F while charging.
A Li is degraded when it's capacity reaches 80% of its original capacity. At that point it has reached the end of its useful service life and should be replaced. A degraded Li is much more likely to fail.
Renate said:
Many charging circuits in phones are designed to be aggressive and charge as quickly to 100% as possible. This often runs into problems if things are left on a charger. I have a tablet and a hot spot that are always on, so I pulled the batteries and run them on 4V
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The fast charging usually goes to a slower charge at around 80%
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The fast charging usually goes to a slower charge at around 80%
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Will not engage fast charging if battery temperature is too low.
Ramps back around 80% and then again at 90% to protect the battery. At least on Samsung's, there may be more aggressive charging profiles on other manufacturer's phones.
Sammy still gets flaming N7 flashbacks
Well, so much for me thinking google support is good -- it has gone from 'we will replace' to 'i have escalated and am waiting to hear from my escalation team, give me 24-48 hours". This last is on Tuesday after being told they will replace it on Saturday.
Lousy support staff, no authority, no management available, just keep the customer holding for days at a time. And I was thinking good Google thoughts... that's changing fast.
Sadly I really prefer the Pixel phones, and may have to reward them with buying a 6 pro, with the 7 only a few months away, if this keeps dragging on.
Linwood.Ferguson said:
Well, so much for me thinking google support is good -- it has gone from 'we will replace' to 'i have escalated and am waiting to hear from my escalation team, give me 24-48 hours". This last is on Tuesday after being told they will replace it on Saturday.
Lousy support staff, no authority, no management available, just keep the customer holding for days at a time. And I was thinking good Google thoughts... that's changing fast.
Sadly I really prefer the Pixel phones, and may have to reward them with buying a 6 pro, with the 7 only a few months away, if this keeps dragging on.
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Dig into them, the squeaky axle gets the grease.
Get all over them like a cheap suit. Free lessons in assertive training always come in handy latter.
Be the hammer not the anvil
If they refuse to escalate the case, give you a supervisor or otherwise stonewall you, keep calling back. Try different times. Sometimes it takes dozens of calls to find someone that will break protocol and actually help you. That works with Sony... eventually
Don't reward bad behavior (or design); lol I'm still using my almost 3yo N10+ because it's the best Samsung has done so far. Sammy's been failing for 3 design cycles straight.
Fk em if they try to joke you
Batteries generally aren't that hard or expensive to replace even if you pay a tech to do it. It's simply part of routine maintenance. On a heavily used phone expect them to last 1-2 years max.
Got in to the same situation recently. As a Pixel phone is not officially sold by Google in my country, I had to send it to a local mobile repair shop. They mentioned that a charging circuit's flat cable had a leakage current, thus, causing the battery charge in a wrong way, and resulted in making it swollen. I doubt if it is the case, but let them replace a flat a cable plus battery. It looks good for now but I will have to see how it goes in a long run.
Related
I know I wasn't the only person waiting on these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/2000mah-Spare-Battery-for-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-T7373-Sprint_W0QQitemZ230441767652
And yes, for you who click on this thread without knowing what they are, Touch Pro 2 batteries are the same size/shape as hero batteries and work just fine in heroes.
Thank You!! Finally, I just bought the battery -- will wait patiently. I have the Mugen 1800 and I haven't been very impressed, hopefully this one doesn't disappoint. Though, for $10, it's a steal.
EDIT:: Just bought 2 actually!
After I purchased I recieved an email with a link to Delivery ETA stats. These are coming from China:
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After I purchased I recieved an email with a link to Delivery ETA stats. These are coming from China:
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I received the Email as well -- basically about 2 weeks is the ETA, not too bad. That was the same for my Mugen battery as well.
In for one.
i just got one also
thanks akijikan for posting the link
thanks for link, just grabbed one myself. For $10, why not?
thanks
Thanks for the link. Just ordered 2. I will compare to the Mugen. So far I am unimpressed with Mugen 1800.
ordered 1.
Im in myself.
Alot of our products , especially electronics come from that region. they are massed produced for under 1.00. One reason they are offered so cheap,but Quality is where we lose at times. Please keep us updated as far as usage. For the price it def makes a great spare
athlet1c said:
Alot of our products , especially electronics come from that region. they are massed produced for under 1.00. One reason they are offered so cheap,but Quality is where we lose at times. Please keep us updated as far as usage. For the price it def makes a great spare
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I don't know... I bought a Mugen 1800 battery, conditioned as the directions stated and yet my results aren't very good. I'm not the only person having this problem. And, I keep hearing from the other thread (Mugen 1800) that these $10 batteries are lastly far far longer than what I have.
I paid $32 for the Mugen, I'm willing to give this a try. You could say that because the batteries are made so cheaply that they might be of lesser quality, but whose to say that the Mugen isn't mass produced at the same $1.00, the only difference here, to me at least is that the Mugen is being sold at a much higher price point when it comes to retail sales.
But I will report my finds upon getting the battery.
I'm not a major battery wiz, but milliampere-hour (mAh) is a rating of hours per the draw of device... not an exact measurement of capacity of power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
so you change the hardware, the mAh is GOING to change. the voltage draw may be the same, but the amp draw might be different depending on the requirements.
Just keep this in mind when you're thinking that just because it says 2000mah for and hd2 that it's any better than the 1700 and 1800mah for the hero, or even the stock battery. Remember it's a RATING per load per device, the mah standard was created as an easy way of telling estimated time because putting the actual capacity of a battery would just confuse and would be easily manipulated. Depending on the point in which you can drain a li-po li-ion battery to where it becomes phyically damaged and will not charge anymore below 2.8v. most batteries report "dead" when they drop to 3v so that you don't over discharge it. Allowing your battery to drain from 3v to 2.8v could allow for a longer "rated time" but would be by no means healthy for your device. this .2v is your grace period to allow for natual envroinmental discharge in between times away from the charger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery#Active_components
With the added dollar amount of $10 I'd be VERY warry if it is as good, or even safe for that matter. Just be warned... and don't be surprised if it does damage your phone that sprint doesn't honor the warranty you just voided by putting an un-reccomended power supply into your device.
johnsongrantr said:
I'm not a battery wiz, but milliampere-hour (mAh) is a rating of hours per the draw of device... not an exact capacity of power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
so you change the hardware, the mAh is GOING to change. the voltage draw may be the same, but the amp draw might be different depending on the requirements.
Just keep this in mind when you're thinking that just because it says 2000 that it's any better than the 1700 and 1800 that was designed for the same device, or even the stock.
With the added dollar amount of $10 I'd be VERY warry if it is as good, or even safe for that matter. Just be warned... and don't be surprised if it does damage your phone that sprint doesn't honor the warranty you just voided by putting an un-reccomended power supply into your device.
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Duly note. Now... Cant wait for my new battery!!
If you guys are wondering how they perform, the short answer is great, and a lot better than stock. The long answer is, go check the mugen 1800 thread. A couple of us who have been testing the battery have posted some reviews there.
no name battery
I bought a couple batteries like this for my Apache back in the day. They did work about the same as the OEM although the MaH rating was higher. I would think that the quality control of the more expensive batteries would be better and likely the characteristics are closer to as promised. Additionally, what I remember was that the durability of the battery was shorter but given the price it was still a worthwhile purchase.
It would seem that the quality of the HTC branded batteries and the Mugen are better than these.
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I bought a couple batteries like this for my Apache back in the day. They did work about the same as the OEM although the MaH rating was higher. I would think that the quality control of the more expensive batteries would be better and likely the characteristics are closer to as promised. Additionally, what I remember was that the durability of the battery was shorter but given the price it was still a worthwhile purchase.
It would seem that the quality of the HTC branded batteries and the Mugen are better than these.
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I understand that products can sometime vary from electronic to electronic. Its just how it goes. I guess I am just one of those consumers that is willing to try something with such a fantastic price that I am willing to throw it away if it isnt what I expected. So far the folks that are using this battery are showing no signs that it is physically hurting their Hero so why not? If it doesnt give extended battery life then oh well, no harm no foul on 10 bucks.
kbizzle said:
I understand that products can sometime vary from electronic to electronic. Its just how it goes. I guess I am just one of those consumers that is willing to try something with such a fantastic price that I am willing to throw it away if it isnt what I expected. So far the folks that are using this battery are showing no signs that it is physically hurting their Hero so why not? If it doesnt give extended battery life then oh well, no harm no foul on 10 bucks.
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untill it explodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_explosion#Explosion
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Lithium ion
+Very expensive.
+Very high energy density.
+Not usually available in "common" battery sizes (but see RCR-V3 for a counter-example).
+Very common in laptop computers, moderate to high-end digital cameras and camcorders, and cellphones.
+Very low rate of self discharge.
[B]+Volatile: Chance of explosion if short circuited, allowed to overheat, or not manufactured with rigorous quality standards.[/B]
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untill it explodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_explosion#Explosion
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Lithium ion
+Very expensive.
+Very high energy density.
+Not usually available in "common" battery sizes (but see RCR-V3 for a counter-example).
+Very common in laptop computers, moderate to high-end digital cameras and camcorders, and cellphones.
+Very low rate of self discharge.
[B]+Volatile: Chance of explosion if short circuited, allowed to overheat, or not manufactured with rigorous quality standards.[/B]
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Ok, seeing it that the stock battery is Lithium Ion, this also applies to it as well. Just because it has HTC written on it doesnt mean it is anymore sturdy than any other company. I have seen images of laptops with stock batteries that have burnt holes through the PC from overheating. The chance is always there no matter what route you take.
kbizzle said:
Ok, seeing it that the stock battery is Lithium Ion, this also applies to it as well. Just because it has HTC written on it doesnt mean it is anymore sturdy than any other company. I have seen images of laptops with stock batteries that have burnt holes through the PC from overheating. The chance is always there no matter what route you take.
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Agreed! Toshiba, Sony, Mac? Almost all laptop batteries are prone to overheating or exploding... mainly because people leave the power cord plugged INTO there laptop, when the battery itself is fully charged, lolol. I just have to do a *faceplam* every time I see that here at school.
Hi!
Bought this charger ages ago, started charging my batteries nowadays, and they got broken.
I might have left them on too long, not sure. After charging them a couple of times they gave false temperature/drain data to the phone.
For example:
With fully charged battery, phone displayed random % details like 1%, or 40%, etc.
With fully chardged battery flash in winmo didn't want to turn on, coz battery was low the phone thought
some Android roms failed to boot with the broken batteries. They were fine with a new one.
Sometimes they work ok.
With 15%, plugged in the original charger for 1 sec, after disconnect battery seemed to be on 100% for a couple of minutes and started counting down pretty fast, like a couple of % a minute
I "lost" an original default battery and an original htc extended battery :-(
So here is something to avoid. Got it from China.
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thanks for the advice, I was just about to buy one
Was using them in my HTC Legend for a while, didn't notice any side effects.
Haven't got one for the HD2 yet.
The problem affected 2 htc batteries, shortly after I started using the charger. Maybe it is only me who has a defective charger. Maybe I left them on the charger too long (max12hours), but that shouldn't be a problem.To tell you the truth, this isn't the first time I had problems with cheap accessories from China in the last couple of years.
The quality of these products are often appalling.
Had a similar charger for my xperia x1, had no problems though...
I think its just only you with a defective charger, i have used this kind of charger for all my 4 batteris for about 6 months now and there is nothing wrong with it. Buy a new charger The charger stops charging the battery when the led turns blue so it works fine here
and it charges fully batteri for about 1-2 hours , it takes loonger with charging via phone
i've been using this type of charger for a while
(on both a stock battery & the replacement it came with).
i haven't had any issues with it to date
That thing looks like one of those cheap ass Chinese chargers that will break anything it's connected to. I know from experience - I had an external Molex (HDD) connector that caught fire while plugged in - NEVER again. That thing probably has NO overcharge control.
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That thing probably has NO overcharge control.
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yes it has
Most likely the OP got a bad one
I have been using various Chinese chargers for the past several years (with various phones). I just finished charging my spare with one of them. They do have overvoltage circuits, and they would not sell ones that don't - they want to sell more of them, and having them catch fire or explode is not good business.
But quality control can have one slip through sometimes, and of course there is little recourse when this happens - the company is in China!
EDIT: I should also point out that there are no options. I don't think there are US, Japanese, or TW made models, though I haven't made a detailed search.
EDIT EDIT: Except for the boxwave charger, which has both a desktop holder and a spare battery charger. But even then I don't know where boxwave has them made - probably China...
http://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Deskt...5X42/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1297185146&sr=8-3
i'm using this now and so far no problems at all. i think there's a problem with your charger.
The charger eventually died. No lights or anything.
Thanks for the advice
I've just bought one of these chargers from e bay.it was from a UK seller . And I also got 2 batteries ,
Will let you know what happens
I got two (probably just a defective batch) and for some reason they discharged my batteries rather than charging them. I just thought that was kinda odd. If anyone else has any recommendations for an alternative external charger I'm all ears as my previous HD2's usb port broke off from wear and I'd like to prevent that from happening again.
I have the same charger and i have used it for over a yeah and i still get 1 day of full battery use like always
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Those of you with working chargers, where'd you get them from?
I bought the same type: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250796662523 (beware that these have US power socket)
The charger and one of the two batteries are working pretty well here. The other battery was discharged very fast. I think the charger stops charging before it's full. Anyway, for that price it doesn't really matter.
I've been using an identical one for over a year and haven't had any problems. Sounds like you got a defective unit.
There are disadvantages I've noticed though - they only charge to 99% (according to phone stats) and, unless I'm imagining it, the battery drains faster from 99-15% and then slowly 'til it gets down to 1% compared to a regular mains charge.
Also the USB output trickle-charges and takes forever to fully charge the battery in the phone. Only good for overnight.
I've got 3 batteries - 2 stock HTC's and one cheap Chinese one as I often find myself in situations where I'm going to need to use the phone for more than a few hours of heavy use - so a charger like this is worth it for me!
Same problems
Same charger from ebay. Killed about 5 batteries (had 5 total in rotation and didn't narrow it down to the charger until now....)
STAY AWAY!
Thanks for sharing your important things. if you did not share with me about this then i will buy this type charger. no no. :silly: i want to use USB charger.. if anyone reply me ? is it good for me ?
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winstead2 said:
Does zerolemon make the charger for htc hd2? Any idea.,.., let me know
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Basically i have search on amazon.com zerolemon HD2 charger. i have found here car charger.. I think it may be help you..
I just thought I would share this just in case if anyone was interested. I bought this battery for my Samsung Captivate and it works well. So I decided to out try it in my Focus to see if it would fit..it fit perfectly!! I have had the battery for only 2 weeks now but it does work better and it looks to be Samsung OEM.
So just to recap this fits with the stock back. It is but you will never notice once it closes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303883
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=28506
Just to clarify...this 1800mah battery fits under the OEM samsung focus cover?? Can you update this thread with usage times?
I would also like to know if this battery is available in EU?
Sierra76 said:
I would also like to know if this battery is available in EU?
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There is an ebay seller shipping to EU.
I've opted for the Chinese 1800 mAh copies as they're cheap, will update with details when they arrive.
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Just to clarify...this 1800mah battery fits under the OEM samsung focus cover?? Can you update this thread with usage times?
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Correct this battery fits under the stock cover. This phone isn't my daily phone so I can't tell you how much longer it lasts. What I can tell you though is that in my Captivate (daily phone) it lasts longer for sure, probably about 20 to 30% more. I literally used it in the Focus for like half a day and it had no issues.
Okay I am using the battery in the focus today. It does snap. Lose but it is a tight fight. If you have a case it won't be a problem at all. One corner from my phone unsnaps randomly but one of my clips is broken so that could be the case also.
I received today the Chinese batteries.
They fit perfectly in the Focus and looks like they're exactly the same size. I've started the phone with one and it works fine.
Battery cover is absolutely the same with this one as with the original. I didn't notice any difference in weight either.
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I will charge one fully and test it asap and will post back the results.
Could you PM me where did you buy that chinesse battery?
I tested the Chinese batteries and they're weak, as I expected.
They held 3h 05m on WP Bench where as my 1 year old original Focus battery held 3h 50 min in the same battery test, that's 80% of the battery I have now and I remember in NoDo, on WP Bench battery was holding about 6h.
So, they're good as backups, but in no way better than the originals.
The originals should be better, in theory.
I bought the Anker battery from amazon which was around 10 bucks. Its also 1800 mah, but is the same size as the Samsung OEM stock batter that comes with the focus. Seemed to last about 36 hours with light use on my Focus. One thing I noticed - the charging indicator never stops blinking to say that is finished charging. IMHO doesn't seem to give much more than a fresh new stock OEM battery - although for 10 bucks I agree would make a good back up, thats about it.
Here's the link to the battery I purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KVTNYE/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
EnderPsp said:
I tested the Chinese batteries and they're weak, as I expected.
They held 3h 05m on WP Bench where as my 1 year old original Focus battery held 3h 50 min in the same battery test, that's 80% of the battery I have now and I remember in NoDo, on WP Bench battery was holding about 6h.
So, they're good as backups, but in no way better than the originals.
The originals should be better, in theory.
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I never knew about WP Bench. Wish I had. My Focus had 420 or so cycles on it's battery and had a rapid performance decline in charge holding. It also blew up (physically) a bit. I replaced it with a replacement OEM from Batteries +.
The replacement doesn't seem to be the equivalent of Day 1 on the Original battery but maybe Mango and my usage is far more than before.
The knock off batteries, the misrepresented mah ratings, and even the out-right faking of batteries has my jaw dropped. Buyer beware.
I contend that the battery issue, battery fakes, and cheap replacements is 100% the reason Apple doesn't make their battery accessible. They want a tight control over those batteries to guarantee performance.
I just ordered the OEM from first post. When it arrives, I will attempt to do scientific tests and post results. I'll use WP Bench as mentioned before since that is likely the most accurate way to test.
Stock Battery
4:11:57
Airplane mode and NOTHING running…
UPDATE
Ok, Here is a Preliminary set of numbers with 1800 battery...
4:43:19
Same settings and still NOTHING running:
Reason I say preliminary is because this was after the FIRST charge. When the phone finished charging again, I needed to use the phone, so was unable to set it for a test run again. I'll attempt that again tonight. BUT, for the record, I took the phone with me to Reno, NV and used it for over 1 1/2 days without charging. Used the Internet, Maps, and Showing it off to family, taking 15 mins of video during the fireworks, and still had 10% battery left over... I'm really anxious to see what my test results will be this next time...
FYI, it is a fairly tight fit within the cover, but it DOES fit. Once I got all the snaps snapped, it feels very secure.
jev3gs said:
Correct this battery fits under the stock cover. This phone isn't my daily phone so I can't tell you how much longer it lasts. What I can tell you though is that in my Captivate (daily phone) it lasts longer for sure, probably about 20 to 30% more. I literally used it in the Focus for like half a day and it had no issues.
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Could you send us the link for purchase, please?
Yeah, that's strange, the link died on the first post. Here's a link to eBay with a bunch available... Look for part # EB625152VA If you Bing/Google this number, you will find other resellers too.
If you like paying full price, buy direct from Samsung: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EB625152VABSTD
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Ok, final numbers, photos, and thoughts. The battery is snug, (if you look carefully, you can see a slight deformation on the battery cover where it is forming over the oversized Galaxy battery) but after it is snapped closed, you won't notice as jev3gs has already mentioned. Images attached.
I've made a correction for the time posted in above post (Copied it wrong), and have performed two tests with each battery, so I'm confident that the numbers here are correct. The tests were within about 30 seconds of each other on each battery.
Stock Focus Battery 5.55Wh 1500 mAh
PN# EB575152VA
4hrs 11mins 57sec
= 251.95 Minutes
Galaxy S™ II Battery 6.66Wh 1800 mAh
PN# EB625152VA
4hrs 43mins 40sec
= 283.67 Minutes
This is an improvement of 31.72mins, or 11%! That's using WP Bench which kills the battery very quickly compared to real usage.
That may not seem like much, but for me in my usage, that will likely equate to an extra 1.5 hours per day. 12 hours + 11% = 13.32 hours.
(According to the printed battery specs, you should actually receive about 16% extra, my tests showed a little lower. Maybe will get better with more usage.)
I have not done charging tests yet, but it also seems like it is charging faster. That may be in my head, but it seems like about an hour faster... I MIGHT test that later.
PS: Thank you jev3gs for the heads up on this tip. I was about to buy another battery anyways, so this is icing on the cake!
Thanks for taking the time and doing the review! Let us know about charging times too!
Thanks for the detailed posts SuperSport. I wish the OP had put this before I bought the Momax battery which takes forever to charge compared to the stock one.
Unfortunately, I still have not run verifiable tests to prove the charge times. It does seem faster, but normally, I charge it at night and don't pay attention to when it completes. I've been a bit to busy to run the tests during the day, so it will need to wait for now.
I've bought many OEM and Generic batteries over the years for both phones and Radio Control, and it's really hit and miss. Sometimes, the Generic blow the OEM out of the water, but usually, the OEM batteries outperform.
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What do u mean by light use? My stock one, I use the phone for reading news from weave and wp7 news with WiFi enabled, and I got about 5h. I also play games for a little bit. That is my typical day usage.
I wish to use the phone for around half of the day or so, if this 1800 MAh could give me that much of power, then it is awesome
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What do u mean by light use? My stock one, I use the phone for reading news from weave and wp7 news with WiFi enabled, and I got about 5h. I also play games for a little bit. That is my typical day usage.
I wish to use the phone for around half of the day or so, if this 1800 MAh could give me that much of power, then it is awesome
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Using my 11% gain as a reference, you could expect 5.55 hours, up from 5 hours. If Samsung is correct, and it's 16% gain, then it would be 5.8 hours. Still not quite 1/2 day...
I was, at first, dubious to spend $80 on a battery that physically fattens my phone by like 40%, but after my first full charge/discharge using Battery Monitor to track my progress, I am fully convinced of the value...
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This was with moderate use; some gaming, some internet usage, a bunch of various phone calls, some navigation in my car, etc. Also a fair amount of sleep time, though. At no point did I turn the phone off however; it was powered on the entire time. Let's see... 2 Days (48hrs) plus 16.5hrs = about 65hrs total. plus the remaining 5% or so, equals, maybe 66 or 67 hours? On one single charge? Awesome.
I know your mileage may vary, depending on your phone usage habits, but I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the 3600mAh Mugen battery and definitely recommend it. I even actually like the way it makes my phone feel a little beefier in my hand, instead of like a scrawny little wafer; it makes it easier to grasp and type on. I also keep the fully-charged MOTO 1880mAh battery in my glove box for a backup as well, since it is worth a good 15-24 hours or so.
Any other good/bad experiences with batteries?
[EDIT] - Aw crap, I thought I was in the Droid 3 Accessories sub-forum, my bad... Can a mod maybe move this over there..? Thanks... 0.0
Even if it was 10000mah i'd still not use it because it makes already chunky phone twice as thick
Hell i was getting 3days on Liberty with the Motorola Extended Battery. Given I didn't use my phone all that much its still impressive.
I'd try Liberty or another custom GB rom, I'm sure you'll get even better.
Take a pic of the phone profile. Wanna see how fat your D3 is.
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Does it get hotter than normal when you use it with games?
I live in Hawaii, so it pretty much always got hot during games; I haven't noticed it getting any hotter though.
It definitely fattens up the phone a bit, so if you're obsessed with a super-slim phone you might wanna stick with the previously-mentioned energy-efficient ROM and the slim 1880 MOTO battery (Or just buy a keyboardless ultra-slim phone). I like the thickness and super battery life though. Here's a few shots of it next to my wife's XPERIA Play, which, if you notice, is even fatter than my D3, and it only has a 2600mAh extended battery while mine has the 3600mAh...
Can you post a link to the aforementioned battery? I would like to purchase one as well.
If you root and install Liberty or Maverick. you'll sh*t yourself.
Anyone have a link to a extended battery that will fit the stock case?
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Anyone have a link to a extended battery that will fit the stock case?
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You'll have that once the dudes in white coats start developing commercial graphene batteries
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Can you post a link to the aforementioned battery? I would like to purchase one as well.
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Here's one at the same price I bought mine for (They're usually $87 or $89 if you search)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUGEN-POWER...102408?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f0f16f508
I would be happy with just a link to the battery and case the original poster purchased.
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Here's one at the same price I bought mine for (They're usually $87 or $89 if you search)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUGEN-POWER...102408?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f0f16f508
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Ordered and on it's way. Too bad you can't get a kickback for it. Thank you!
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You'll have that once the dudes in white coats start developing commercial graphene batteries
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What are you talking about? there are several that will fit the stock cover.. like this one from Mugen themselfs
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUGEN-POWER...640510?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a6a8ba7be
Only 200 extra Mah?
EDIT: Did some math, its about 13% increase over stock. I guess it's noticeable.
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Only 200 extra Mah?
EDIT: Did some math, its about 13% increase over stock. I guess it's noticeable.
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Well ye.. and the fact that my battery has a dead spot from 10-15% to 4%. I want a new battery but there are SO MANY on ebay. From $80 to $5
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you can get Mugen Droid 3 battery from official Mugen webshop
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/motorola/verizon-motorola-driod-3.html
they have 3600mAh (extra backdoor) and 1700mAh (original cover)
Plus FYI: Mugen gives 7% facebook discount.
And Mugen offers warranty and customer support if the item is purchased from their official website, which is always a good thing to rely on.
OK well, here's one more... Exactly 96 hours (4 days) since last charge with 1% battery left, although I rarely used the phone during this period because I was working a lot; it spent a lot of down-time sitting in a cubby-hole outside of the place I work because they have cell phone restrictions. I did use it for GPS a few times though, and played Trolls n Towers and Trial Xtreme 2 Winter for awhile, as well as your average phone calls and texting activity. It spent a lot of time sleeping, but still... four entire days for a fairly large touch-screen smart-phone on one charge. Not too shabby. In fact I think it's the best I've ever had on any phone/battery combo so far, personally.
Hello, i want to share my experience with this phone after 4 years of using daily.
Battery has still endurance about 2 days and more. 7-8 hours SOT.
Only thing, little bit more hot in summer on direct sunlight.
Comparing to other users of devices like apple, samsung, lg etc. is this experience almost impossible.
My questions: What can be real or truth from professional point of view about Li-Ion battery and its very good endurance after 4 years?
Worth for change if its in pretty good condition but 4 years old?
> What can be real or truth from scientific point of view? (if i am still using this phone)
nothing!
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> What can be real or truth from scientific point of view? (if i am still using this phone)
nothing!
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Because some iPhone 12 mini user replied to my comment in one review video about my phone and replied to me deeply about batteries and my stupidity, they can degrade their capacity. But i know from using this phone and Z1 compact, X compact, XZ1, XZ2, XZ2c and many, many, many other phones, what is true from real experience POV. Yes, some brands havent so good technology or so quality batteries and many users had bad experience from using their phone for 100-300 bucks fully new, or iPhone. I dont care about battery if i have XZ1 compact but if i am talking about my phone, no one believes me.
noone believes you because it is not true.
i am not saying you lie, but you are mistaken.
li-ion batteries loose capacity with cycles and age. at 4 years of use, your battery should be around 50% its original capacity, if looked for well.
there is no manufacturer magic here. its like saying your gas car doesnt need gas refills becasue its a better brand of car. its really that silly.
only way battery would be around 90% health today is if you charged it to 50% and stored it in the fridge the whole time, you didnt.
btw you should do that with battery spares.
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noone believes you because it is not true.
i am not saying you lie, but you are mistaken.
li-ion batteries loose capacity with cycles and age. at 4 years of use, your battery should be around 50% its original capacity, if looked for well.
there is no manufacturer magic here. its like saying your gas car doesnt need gas refills becasue its a better brand of car. its really that silly.
only way battery would be around 90% health today is if you charged it to 50% and stored it in the fridge the whole time, you didnt.
btw you should do that with battery spares.
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I know this for very long time, li-ion batteries loosing their capacities or degrade voltage after some year usage, but how li-ion battery directly on this phone can stay that long - around 4 years, still with 2-3+ days using daily and 7-8h SOT ? Before it had really similar endurance. Never disassembled.
because it was large to beguin with. now that its smaller it still lasts.
one thing is: if the battery is very large and you charge it every day (which you should) then the cycling is shallow and wont affect life much. couple that with maybe you live in a cold place, and it can last longer that expected.
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because it was large to beguin with. now that its smaller it still lasts.
one thing is: if the battery is very large and you charge it every day (which you should) then the cycling is shallow and wont affect life much. couple that with maybe you live in a cold place, and it can last longer that expected.
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I am charging it sometimes through PC, but most of time I am charging it with wall charger from Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 pro - on second day of usage (mostly after some 50-60 hours on standby) and my living has around 20 degrees. Also, my friend has this phone also 3 years not disassembled and he is also curious about battery endurance.
jurkoman said:
i typed adb shell dumpsys battery and it shows me still 100 percent of capacity.
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Are you talking about these lines :
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Because it just means that your phone is fully charged (in my example above, it says that my phone is charged at 33%), not that the capacity is still as new.
Why in android i cannot know battery capacity directly like on iOS without testing in Accubattery for 8 hours+- and have primary phone in indisposition state? Is year 2022 and phone batteries are getting old, but maybe it is typical argument of "iPhone user".
When my phone ran stock android, I used to check it from time to time through the service menu (*#*#7378423#*#*).
That's a pity it can not be done in a vanilla/custom android.
This is an interesting question. Mine lasts one day, and I'm a heavy user but not a gamer. I charged it only to 80% during lifetime, but lately had to start charging to 100%
I started to dig and found info, that our beloved phone has Qnovo Adaptive Charging - so I guess it worked But this technology was not used in many phones - almost none. So I think this is most obvious answer. Which is funny if you read comments from 2018 stating Qnovo is useless BUT (big but here) I have no idea if this technology was adapted as software and/or hardware solution. From comments I read it can limit charging rate, and this is what I observe from time to time in my Lineage OS.
Other factors could contribute here:
- quality of used materials, including cathodes and anodes
- chosen technology for those as well
- charging controller - quality and logic (Qnovo?)
- how easy battery dissipates heat - heat is the battery killer
- even quality of included charger - my subjective opinion is, that newer, more powerful chargers, while charge faster, make the phone also hotter. So I avoid them
Another thing to consider - if Sony paid Qnovo, it means they cared about batery life. So other tricks could have been involved.
Also I guess such type of phone was not bought by cool kids / gamers (it is small and not cool . So usage pattern will be different (apps, tasks) which may also change battery wear over time.
In the end OS will also affect battery life. Sony was not adding ton of features to their official ROMs, which could increase battery drain. Of course it was never a vanilla, but still not something terrible (3.6
Were things start to get interesting... If you try to find battery replacement. It is very hard to find battery replacement on the market with original capacity of 2700. While many years after premiere technology evolved. So it had to be sth special about them, as they squeezed 2700 inside, but nowadays you cannot find equal replacement, not speaking about increased capacity, which would be much more fun.
I still use this phone everyday and I would like to know the battery manufacturer.
Few weeks ago I did a battery degradation test, and after 5 years the battery is at 80%. I can use the phone up to two days (no gaming).
Samsung galaxy s3 and s5 batteries last max a couple of years (the battery was at 50% aprox).
Were things start to get interesting... If you try to find battery replacement. It is very hard to find battery replacement on the market with original capacity of 2700. While many years after premiere technology evolved. So it had to be sth special about them, as they squeezed 2700 inside, but nowadays you cannot find equal replacement, not speaking about increased capacity, which would be much more fun.
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To my knowledge, the only batteries that have even close to 2700 mAh on the market are from phones that saw little to no usage over the years and the battery has been kept at around 50% charge after all these years. Which it, to say the least, rare.
The reason for this is that Sony wants us to go pay for a new phone, so they sell underperforming batteries as official replacements. Of course, the Chinese don't do much better either and 3rd party battery manufacturers won't bother to make such a battery because there will be very little orders of such part. Here is a conversation between me and a battery manufacturer in China, when I was trying to design a battery:
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(...) the tabs (cathode and anode) are too far away from each other in the image. I specified 10 mm spacing from battery corner to tab, 20 mm spacing between tabs.
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Manufacturer:
I recommend this battery because I want to reduce your cost.
If the nickel sheet needs to be adjusted, redesigned and customized, the customization cost is 3,000 dollars, and the purchase quantity is required to be 10,000 batteries.
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I was requesting this adjustment so that I didn't have to redesign the whole BMS, but just solder this new battery's tabs to the BMS we have now, hence losing 0 functionality.
Of course, the manufacturer's message was a clear step-back at the time, giving me reason to think the situation through. The next step was clear, however. The main chip on the BMS responsible for OCP (overcurrent), OVP, OCP (overcharge), etc. and reporting battery percentage and temperature had to be localized and wired just like in the original BMS. The only thing that required change was the pad positioning on the PCB for the cathode and anode.
The chip is a muRata internal chip, with untraceable codes: 401C02M8 and 2BN0R420
I replied to the manufacturer last week, asking for their help in tracking down this chip and the connector on the BMS that connects the BMS to the phone motherboard. Here's how that conversation went:
Manufacturer:
I need a little time to reply to you, because I don't have Sony battery, so I'm not sure which connectors are. If you need to make sure, I'll send you the quotation tomorrow for confirmation, and we can do it if you are sure it's ok.
In addition, after the development of BMS, will you have a large number of purchases later?
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More than 10? For now, definitely not. In the future, it depends on how the product will sell.
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It's been 3 days since "tomorrow", but the "quotation" never came. I would assume the situation with the 10,000 batteries is repeated.
So, yeah. If the manufacturers require such high orders, I think everybody could realize why Sony is doing what they are doing and why 3rd parties provide fairly poor replacements, if any.
So, no better battery on the horizon for our beloved, but at least now we know where we need to look.
Plus, on a positive note, the smallest powerhouse alternative to the Xperia XZ1 Compact is, as we all know, the iPhone SE series. Well, they're not much better. Even with PolarCell's (claimed 2300 mAh, but actually only) 2000 mAh battery, which is higher than the original's 1821 (SE 2nd gen.), doesn't hold up any better than the XZ1 Compact. Absolutely huge drain while in standby, up to 10% after 10 hours of standby in airplane mode. Max SOT I've seen is somewhere around 6 hours (hard to measure on iOS, 'cause why would it be easy?). "Investment" not recommended.
Man, congrats for going as far as talking to manufacturer!
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To my knowledge, the only batteries that have even close to 2700 mAh on the market are from phones that saw little to no usage over the years and the battery has been kept at around 50% charge after all these years. Which it, to say the least, rare.
The reason for this is that Sony wants us to go pay for a new phone, so they sell underperforming batteries as official replacements. Of course, the Chinese don't do much better either and 3rd party battery manufacturers won't bother to make such a battery because there will be very little orders of such part. Here is a conversation between me and a battery manufacturer in China, when I was trying to design a battery:
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Me:
Manufacturer:
I was requesting this adjustment so that I didn't have to redesign the whole BMS, but just solder this new battery's tabs to the BMS we have now, hence losing 0 functionality.
Of course, the manufacturer's message was a clear step-back at the time, giving me reason to think the situation through. The next step was clear, however. The main chip on the BMS responsible for OCP (overcurrent), OVP, OCP (overcharge), etc. and reporting battery percentage and temperature had to be localized and wired just like in the original BMS. The only thing that required change was the pad positioning on the PCB for the cathode and anode.
The chip is a muRata internal chip, with untraceable codes: 401C02M8 and 2BN0R420
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I replied to the manufacturer last week, asking for their help in tracking down this chip and the connector on the BMS that connects the BMS to the phone motherboard. Here's how that conversation went:
Manufacturer:
Me:
It's been 3 days since "tomorrow", but the "quotation" never came. I would assume the situation with the 10,000 batteries is repeated.
So, yeah. If the manufacturers require such high orders, I think everybody could realize why Sony is doing what they are doing and why 3rd parties provide fairly poor replacements, if any.
So, no better battery on the horizon for our beloved, but at least now we know where we need to look.
Plus, on a positive note, the smallest powerhouse alternative to the Xperia XZ1 Compact is, as we all know, the iPhone SE series. Well, they're not much better. Even with PolarCell's (claimed 2300 mAh, but actually only) 2000 mAh battery, which is higher than the original's 1821 (SE 2nd gen.), doesn't hold up any better than the XZ1 Compact. Absolutely huge drain while in standby, up to 10% after 10 hours of standby in airplane mode. Max SOT I've seen is somewhere around 6 hours (hard to measure on iOS, 'cause why would it be easy?). "Investment" not recommended.
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I would've lied to him about the purchases.
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I would've lied to him about the purchases.
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And then what? End up buying 10 000? I am talking for real with the guy, not just speculations.
On another train of thoughts, the guy came back with a reply. after a week. He ordered the original battery to analyse its BMS for me and it should arrive Monday.