I wanna ask how can redmi note 7 have 48mp camera but snapdragon 660 only can afford until 25mp
It's fake 48mp which made by ai algorithm, you need to wait for pro version if you want the real 48mp.
But redmi 7 pro maybe use snapdragon 710 and still snapdragon 710 cant afford for 48mp
Kent Nathanael said:
I wanna ask how can redmi note 7 have 48mp camera but snapdragon 660 only can afford until 25mp
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Probably it uses a custom ISP from sony (IMX 586) and not using the integrated one in the SoC
Kent Nathanael said:
I wanna ask how can redmi note 7 have 48mp camera but snapdragon 660 only can afford until 25mp
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What the Samsung's sensor do, it's they stick 4 tiny pixels into one big pixel, for brightness in the images, actually there is a 12mpx camera but the result it's from a 48mpx resolution. You can look into it.
It's NOT a fake 48 mp camera. Let me explain,
The camera has physical 48million pixels , same as Sony imx586(used in redmi note 7 pro).
But let's see what's the catch about 12mp thing.
So as i said earlier, SAMSUNG GM1 SENSOR(used in redmi note 7) actually has physical 48million pixels.
What it does is, it treats every 4 pixels as 1 bigger one. So that means when we have 48(million) pixels. And 4 pixels will be bind together and made 1.
Result is we get 12(million) pixels in resulting pic.
Now this is done to get more bright images, so that each Pixel of image can get more light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prJnWBNFQnY
48MP Camera on Redmi Note 7 explained by C4ETech
it's the same trick used with Xiaomi's latest 20MP or 24MP front facing sensors. it combines 4 pixels into 1 bigger pixel (this is called pixel binning). for example: if you install a custom ROM on the Poco (which has a 20MP front facing camera), it will register as only 5MP, but in reality, you actually capture 20MP, combined into a 5MP picture, this tech helps with low light and creating brighter images.
so basically: the SoC registers the sensor as 12MP, but its truly 48MP.
Kent Nathanael said:
I wanna ask how can redmi note 7 have 48mp camera but snapdragon 660 only can afford until 25mp
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1) 25mp is for single camera not for dual
2)It can't, the camera is just an interpolated version of a 12mp sensor thats all. Its just an edit
sssaini007 said:
It's NOT a fake 48 mp camera. Let me explain,
The camera has physical 48million pixels , same as Sony imx586(used in redmi note 7 pro).
But let's see what's the catch about 12mp thing.
So as i said earlier, SAMSUNG GM1 SENSOR(used in redmi note 7) actually has physical 48million pixels.
What it does is, it treats every 4 pixels as 1 bigger one. So that means when we have 48(million) pixels. And 4 pixels will be bind together and made 1.
Result is we get 12(million) pixels in resulting pic.
Now this is done to get more bright images, so that each Pixel of image can get more light.
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yah i also think like you but some youtuber in my country they explanted that redmi note 7 would has a small cache to process images
As long as i can take great low light photos i am ok with it.
cwr250 said:
It's fake 48mp which made by ai algorithm, you need to wait for pro version if you want the real 48mp.
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That sounds like ?️
Processor
Redminote 7 PRO wil be released with Snapdragon 675 Soc
majidamiri15300 said:
it's the same trick used with Xiaomi's latest 20MP or 24MP front facing sensors. it combines 4 pixels into 1 bigger pixel (this is called pixel binning). for example: if you install a custom ROM on the Poco (which has a 20MP front facing camera), it will register as only 5MP, but in reality, you actually capture 20MP, combined into a 5MP picture, this tech helps with low light and creating brighter images.
so basically: the SoC registers the sensor as 12MP, but its truly 48MP.
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I don't think this is fully true
Poco video selfie is just so dark like no native binning at all. This is different to the big pixel like on mi5.
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harysviewty said:
I don't think this is fully true
Poco video selfie is just so dark like no binning at all. This is different to the big pixel like on mi5.
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I don't think there is a phone currently that does pixel binning in video, now it's just done in photo.
Binning adds the the brightness of 4 pixels and merge then into a bigger number.
(example: 4 pixels have brightness values of 3,4,5,3 the binned number is 15(3+4+5+3), meaning that pixel is brighter, if it were averaged, it would have had a value of 3.75 ((3+4+5+3)/4) and it's not bigger than the original pixels values, meaning no brightness improvement)
(the real process of binning pixels is actually much more complicated, and simple addition may not be done)
While in video the brightness of individual is averaged(not binned) with neighbouring pixels to make 30 1080p (2.1 Mp) photos per second.
If someone understands the process of real pixel binning, then correct me if i am wrong.
JoraForever said:
I don't think there is a phone currently that does pixel binning in video, now it's just done in photo.
Binning adds the the brightness of 4 pixels and merge then into a bigger number.
(example: 4 pixels have brightness values of 3,4,5,3 the binned number is 15(3+4+5+3), meaning that pixel is brighter, if it were averaged, it would have had a value of 3.75 ((3+4+5+3)/4) and it's not bigger than the original pixels values, meaning no brightness improvement)
(the real process of binning pixels is actually much more complicated, and simple addition may not be done)
While in video the brightness of individual is averaged(not binned) with neighbouring pixels to make 30 1080p (2.1 Mp) photos per second.
If someone understands the process of real pixel binning, then correct me if i am wrong.
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Lg v30 V35 g7 v40 have super bright mode video, 2x2 4in1 pixel binning in video (4K becoming full HD), + there's adaptive fps for lowlight
HTC has multiframe subsampling processing for lowlight noiseless video
Sony has dual camera sensor fusion (normal & bw) for super high iso lowlight video
No, you're wrong
Binning isn't always about 1+2+3+4= 10, it can also be like 1+2+3+4=10 :4= 2.5 (PureView) or 1+4+4+5=4 or 1+2+3+4=1/2/3/4 (real time hdr)
And there's no averaging in lower resolution normal video processing, it's not even using all the pixels of the full sensor. That's why most flagship use 12mp 4:3 (video is cropped 16:9 8mp 4k), no wasted resolution
harysviewty said:
Lg v30 V35 g7 v40 have super bright mode video, 2x2 4in1 pixel binning in video (4K becoming full HD), + there's adaptive fps for lowlight
HTC has multiframe subsampling processing for lowlight noiseless video
Sony has dual camera sensor fusion (normal & bw) for super high iso lowlight video
No, you're wrong
Binning isn't always about 1+2+3+4= 10, it can also be like 1+2+3+4=10 :4= 2.5 (PureView) or 1+4+4+5=4 or 1+2+3+4=1/2/3/4 (real time hdr)
And there's no averaging in lower resolution normal video processing, it's not even using all the pixels of the full sensor. That's why most flagship use 12mp 4:3 (video is cropped 16:9 8mp 4k), no wasted resolution
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I did say: "the real process of binning pixels is actually much more complicated, and simple addition may not be done" i was simplifying the technical stuff. Pixel binning is also done by averaging values, though not benefiting brightness but noise reduction.
In video the camera actually sends full frame raw data to the isp, which manipulates the raw sensor data by cropping and subsampling (technically the same as binning by averaging) and then dumping that data on flash memory as a video format.
Most modern phones use subsampling by averaging because it reduces noise.
Many phones have issues with noise while filming in 4k in low light condition because the noise filtering applied to videos must be fast and efficient, where as photo noise filtering is done with much more processing.
The LG super bright video mode is most likely some kind of software trickery that forces 1080p resolution because subsampling reduces noise, and does one of two things either increase iso or increase brightness/contrast in post processing.
JoraForever said:
I did say: "the real process of binning pixels is actually much more complicated, and simple addition may not be done" i was simplifying the technical stuff. Pixel binning is also done by averaging values, though not benefiting brightness but noise reduction.
In video the camera actually sends full frame raw data to the isp, which manipulates the raw sensor data by cropping and subsampling (technically the same as binning by averaging) and then dumping that data on flash memory as a video format.
Most modern phones use subsampling by averaging because it reduces noise.
Many phones have issues with noise while filming in 4k in low light condition because the noise filtering applied to videos must be fast and efficient, where as photo noise filtering is done with much more processing.
The LG super bright video mode is most likely some kind of software trickery that forces 1080p resolution because subsampling reduces noise, and does one of two things either increase iso or increase brightness/contrast in post processing.
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https://en.ids-imaging.com/techtipps-detail/en_techtip-binning-subsampling-or-scaler.html
I believe subsampling =/= averaging
That's why lowlight video from 40mp Huawei mate 20 pro sucks so bad
Lg bright mode is a real time processing, 15-24fps, ev +1 stop (higher than max iso on auto /manual mode), 1/4 max resolution,
I've been wanting to ask this question since, Xiaomi lies a lot when it comes to phone specs. Well, it's cheap, so we can't complain.
Hi.
I want to ask, if theres any way, to get the phone to just save the RAW Sensor output with 108MP without compressing or altering
the image in any way?
I also ask myself already all the time, why the 108MP setting is only possible in the stock camera app.
If you use for example open camera, its not possible to set a resolution bigger than 12MP. Is this a error, or why does
this happen?
Regards
The 108 mp is hype. The top Canon pro cam is 24.1 mp on a sensor many times bigger. It delivers much sharper, higher resolution images than any smartphone can. It also uses lens that have exponentially more light gathering ability.
Bigger pixels mean more light gathering ability and a higher signal to noise ratio. The noise floor is constant and you need a strong enough signal to overcome it even in digital data sampling.
The highest reasonable mp size for a phone cam sersor is 20mp but 12mp is probably ideal. Sound familiar?
At 108mp that sensor's light gathering ability is almost nothing especially with a lense that size.
Maybe in bright light stills but even then it may lack the bandwidth and processor power to accommodate that amount of data.
How many raw 108 mp images would you even want to store if it was possible?
ME20001 said:
Hi.
I want to ask, if theres any way, to get the phone to just save the RAW Sensor output with 108MP without compressing or altering
the image in any way?
I also ask myself already all the time, why the 108MP setting is only possible in the stock camera app.
If you use for example open camera, its not possible to set a resolution bigger than 12MP. Is this a error, or why does
this happen?
Regards
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If you are on stock MIUI, there's the possibility to make 108 but if you compare with a gcam app like Shamim V12 you'll see that the 108 of MIUI is not as good as gcam pixel binning, further more more storage is needed
Laptapper said:
If you are on stock MIUI, there's the possibility to make 108 but if you compare with a gcam app like Shamim V12 you'll see that the 108 of MIUI is not as good as gcam pixel binning, further more more storage is needed
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They had been far better off using larger pixels with better microlense quality/design than doing the binning garbage. Binning only screws up the signal to noise ratio more by increasing the noise floor. A smartphone is already a warm, electronicly noisy device as it is... the enemies of cmos sensors.
Binning is effective to a point at the cost of resolution for low light performance. 108mp binning on a sensor of the size used on smartphones seems counterproductive. Binning can introduce artifacts to the image.
Yes yes yes, I know about the disadvntages of this high resolution, I am into DSLR photography,
but I want to see how the RAW picture from the sensor at full resolution the sensor can deliver looks.
It seems to be impossible to get on a real RAW photo on Stock MIUI ROM?
(I Want to install another ROM anyways, but still waiting for bootloader unlock permission)
Do you have a rom to suggest, that is able to make real 108MP RAW photos, and probably 8k Video (The sensor A Samsung
Isocell HM2 supports that, the ROM doesnt)
blackhawk said:
They had been far better off using larger pixels with better microlense quality/design than doing the binning garbage. Binning only screws up the signal to noise ratio more by increasing the noise floor. A smartphone is already a warm, electronicly noisy device as it is... the enemies of cmos sensors.
Binning is effective to a point at the cost of resolution for low light performance. 108mp binning on a sensor of the size used on smartphones seems counterproductive. Binning can introduce artifacts to the image.
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You're right.
But 108 stock isn't good as 12 in gcam, or what you think?
Which cam and settings you're using?
GCAM Doesnt allow 108MP, the stock camera APP seems to be the only one that allows 108, but only as JPG, not
as RAW10 the sensor can output native.
I want to see, how a photo in 108MP looks straight out of the sensor, but it seems not that easy to get
your hnds on one, without the device modifies it before...
Laptapper said:
You're right.
But 108 stock isn't good as 12 in gcam, or what you think?
Which cam and settings you're using?
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Don't have this phone. It's likely optimized at or near the best ratio.
At higher brightness levels and if digitally zoomed in it may deliver higher resolution (for that given area).
It's seems these manufacturers now have a rather pointless pixel race in progress.
So to say it short: No one here knows how to get RAW 108MP Photos out of the sensor?
ME20001 said:
So to say it short: No one here knows how to get RAW 108MP Photos out of the sensor?
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No such thing is my guess. The hardware has to support that method of output. The best you can do is whatever the lowest binning rate is. If has provisions to access individual pixels on a hardware level it be possible.
The Hardware (Sensor) can do RAW 10 at full 108MP resolution, see here:
108MP ISOCELL HM2 | Mobile Image Sensor | Samsung Semiconductor Global
Samsung ISOCELL HM2 mobile image sensor brings every detail of your scene to life. It delivers 108MP, 0.7um pixel size and Real-time HDR.
semiconductor.samsung.com
It also can record at 8k 24fps or 4k 120fps, but the device doesnt allow 8k at all, and 4k recording only at 30fps...
It seems that they have locked down the software, for what reason ever, probably because its a mid class phone, to prevent
it come too near to the upper class devices...
Its camera also makes already very good photos, if you know what you have to set in the settings. I really would
like to see how this would look in 10Bits uncompressed RAW at 108MP, I tried to upload here one of the 108MP JPG Photos,
but it broke the forum:
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Heres a Dropbox Link for the Picture:
IMG_20220328_153250.jpg
Shared with Dropbox
www.dropbox.com
Best is to download it and then take a look on it, the Previev on Dropbox seems to have some issues to handle that resolution.
affirmative it's possible as of today, previously the sensors full potential wasn't accessible due to the extensive os and system feature lock downs but even after the phones themselves were capable of being unlocked the sensor still remained unavailable because it has it's own dedicated chipset that has a dedicated partial operation and algorithm system which meant that it couldn't be modified or accessed unless you had very specialized equipment. there's a lot of technical complexity that i've forgoed elaborating upon to keep this response less lengthy lol, at any rate after roughly a year of effort i've finally found a way to bypass all of the restrictions and i'll be potentially publishing the results of the code named C.I.A.R.A. project once my tests are complete and furthermore i may be able to make such feature functionality commercially available and distributable once the project has been thoroughly and fully completed in all of it's entirely lol.
^_^
nosidamXumres said:
affirmative it's possible as of today, previously the sensors full potential wasn't accessible due to the extensive os and system feature lock downs but even after the phones themselves were capable of being unlocked the sensor still remained unavailable because it has it's own dedicated chipset that has a dedicated partial operation and algorithm system which meant that it couldn't be modified or accessed unless you had very specialized equipment. there's a lot of technical complexity that i've forgoed elaborating upon to keep this response less lengthy lol, at any rate after roughly a year of effort i've finally found a way to bypass all of the restrictions and i'll be potentially publishing the results of the code named C.I.A.R.A. project once my tests are complete and furthermore i may be able to make such feature functionality commercially available and distributable once the project has been thoroughly and fully completed in all of it's entirely lol.
^_^
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Welcome to XDA.
Pictures or it never happened.
The individual pixels are so minuscule their sampling capture is pathetic and is further exacerbated by the noise floor/noise cancellation errors. Good pixel lens at this microscopic size... no such thing especially at this price point.
A good 26mp even 20mp sensor can capture a sufficient amount of detail for even poster size blowups. These are full frame sensors with precision pixel lens.
Samsung knows this... you'll get a mushy raw image with a hugh file size. Perfect.
blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA.
Pictures or it never happened.
The individual pixels are so minuscule their sampling capture is pathetic and is further exacerbated by the noise floor/noise cancellation errors. Good pixel lens at this microscopic size... no such thing especially at this price point.
A good 26mp even 20mp sensor can capture a sufficient amount of detail for even poster size blowups. These are full frame sensors with precision pixel lens.
Samsung knows this... you'll get a mushy raw image with a hugh file size. Perfect.
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that's a bit of an impolite thing to say although rest assured once it's finished i'll have to find a platform to upload it to so that it can be accessed and viewed without compression, one individual recommended google photos or documents or something like that lol and indeed i usually enjoy the benefits of high resolution capture for forest and nature based photography as of such i usually utilize it during the daytime so the pixel light collection area size isn't a concern for me personally lol also affirmativ the standardized twelve to twenty four megapixel resolution of most modern camera's likely work for the majority of individuals lol.
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nosidamXumres said:
that's a bit of an impolite thing to say although rest assured once it's finished i'll have to find a platform to upload it to so that it can be accessed and viewed without compression, one individual recommended google photos or documents or something like that lol and indeed i usually enjoy the benefits of high resolution capture for forest and nature based photography as of such i usually utilize it during the daytime so the pixel light collection area size isn't a concern for me personally lol also affirmativ the standardized twelve to twenty four megapixel resolution of most modern camera's likely work for the majority of individuals lol.
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Not impolite, blunt.
I don't think it's capable of much greater resolution than it's getting as is.
Grabbing a good sample per pixel is more important than number of pixels.
16mp is a lot.
As is the file size you're going to get with a raw...
nosidamXumres said:
affirmative it's possible as of today, previously the sensors full potential wasn't accessible due to the extensive os and system feature lock downs but even after the phones themselves were capable of being unlocked the sensor still remained unavailable because it has it's own dedicated chipset that has a dedicated partial operation and algorithm system which meant that it couldn't be modified or accessed unless you had very specialized equipment. there's a lot of technical complexity that i've forgoed elaborating upon to keep this response less lengthy lol, at any rate after roughly a year of effort i've finally found a way to bypass all of the restrictions and i'll be potentially publishing the results of the code named C.I.A.R.A. project once my tests are complete and furthermore i may be able to make such feature functionality commercially available and distributable once the project has been thoroughly and fully completed in all of it's entirely lol.
^_^
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We look forward to your project.
So the code , I take it directly interfaces with the camera or not ?
any elaborations there ?
NEWTINGZ said:
We look forward to your project.
So the code , I take it directly interfaces with the camera or not ?
any elaborations there ?
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affirmative that is correct traditionally the only information that comes from specifically the one hundred and eight megapixel sensor with moderate exceptions to the others is the data that has been processed by it's onboard algorithm to compress and save space with and roughly the only information going to that sensors chipset is traditionally update and diagnostic information but now that's been technically bypassed utilizing a code and language that unfortunately can only be emulated which makes it very inefficient because it was designed for completely different custom hardware but nonetheless the project is complete, where can i find a compressionless platform to upload and share my photos? also the image's on average are roughly almost a hundred and fifty megabytes including various metadata lol.
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nosidamXumres said:
affirmative that is correct traditionally the only information that comes from specifically the one hundred and eight megapixel sensor with moderate exceptions to the others is the data that has been processed by it's onboard algorithm to compress and save space with and roughly the only information going to that sensors chipset is traditionally update and diagnostic information but now that's been technically bypassed utilizing a code and language that unfortunately can only be emulated which makes it very inefficient because it was designed for completely different custom hardware but nonetheless the project is complete, where can i find a compressionless platform to upload and share my photos? also the image's on average are roughly almost a hundred and fifty megabytes including various metadata lol.
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Hey there!
i have been waiting for some update on the project.
This might help-
READ THIS FIRST - Development Rules
I know we all have busy lives and don't have time to go through a list of long winded rules, so here's a shortened version to make your life easier Only the following topics are allowed in DEVELOPMENT area: [DEV] - Development for any special...
forum.xda-developers.com
You can create a new thread for the development of the project you have made and store the images in a .zip file and share the file with dropbox, gdrive or mega etc.
(Remember to attach the code, and some information about it in the thread you make.)
M0nK_101 said:
Hey there!
i have been waiting for some update on the project.
This might help-
READ THIS FIRST - Development Rules
I know we all have busy lives and don't have time to go through a list of long winded rules, so here's a shortened version to make your life easier Only the following topics are allowed in DEVELOPMENT area: [DEV] - Development for any special...
forum.xda-developers.com
You can create a new thread for the development of the project you have made and store the images in a .zip file and share the file with dropbox, gdrive or mega etc.
(Remember to attach the code, and some information about it in the thread you make.)
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thanks for the suggestions i appreciate it, i created a post attaching images and sharing a google drive link lol.
^_^
Thread 's21 ultra 108mp raw' https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/s21-ultra-108mp-raw.4589163/
nosidamXumres said:
thanks for the suggestions i appreciate it, i created a post attaching images and sharing a google drive link lol.
^_^
Thread 's21 ultra 108mp raw' https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/s21-ultra-108mp-raw.4589163/
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I read your new post and it's amazing
Hopefully, you'll make the new project available to the public soon.
If you want help, there are many individuals on the internet, you don't need to disclose the language used or anything confidential.
All you need to do, is explain the concept of how you made it possible, and probably there will be someone who'll come for the rescue.
one more suggestion -
you can open a github repo, and add the code which you are trying to make (the latest one), there might be someone who could help....
(ty for mentioning me, it's fine ^_^)
also, both communities of rn10pro and s21_ultra can help you, just gotta mention the working and goal of your idea, and it'll work.
I will try to be simple for this review and give my opinion with no filter.
Build, Specs, Build Quality/Design
Unboxing
Specifications
Golden Ratio
Video tour
Screen
Performance
ColorOS and Connectivity
Camera
Battery
My thoughts
1. Build Quality and Design
Let’s start with a quick video unboxing of the OPPO Reno 8 Pro 5G:
As you can see, you will have in the box:
-Phone x 1
-Charger SuperVOOC 80W x 1
-USB data cable x 1
-SIM Ejector Tool x 1
-Safety Guide x 1
-Quick Guide x 1
-Protective Case x 1
All you need to get your smartphone ready to go.
Now, let’s go with the not-funny part, the specifications:
OPPO Reno8 Pro 5GUltra-Clear Imaging Processor: MariSilicon X NPU
4K Ultra Night Video
80W SUPERVOOCTM
Streamlined Unibody Design
MediaTek Dimensity 8100-MAXSize and WeightHeight about 16.12cm
Width about 7.42cm
Thickness about 0.734cm
Weight about 183gStorageRAM and ROM Capacities
8/GB12GB + 256GB
LPDDR5
UFS3.1
USB OTGDisplaySize 6.7 inches
Screen Ratio 93.4%
Resolution FHD (2412 × 1080)
Refresh Rate Max to 120Hz
Touch Sampling Rate 125Hz by default and 360Hz for gaming mode.
Some games support up to 720Hz with frame interpolation technology.
Colour Gamut Vivid mode: 100% DCI P3
Gentle mode: 100% sRGB
Colour Depth 1.07 billion colors (8 + 2 bit)
Pixel Density 394PPI
Brightness Normal: 500nits HBM: 800nits Peak value: 950nits
Panel Flexible AMOLED display
Cover Glasses Corning® Gorilla® Glass 5CameraRear
Main camera: Sony IMX766, 50MP, 1/1.56"; f/1.8; FOV: 86°; 7P lens; AF supported; closed-loop focus motor
Ultra-wide angle camera: f/2.2; FOV: 112°; 5P lens
Macro camera: f/2.4, FOV: 89°; 3P lens; FF
Front Sony IMX709 32MP, 1/2.74"; f/2.4, FOV 90°, 5P lens, AF, open-loop focus motor
Shooting Mode
Rear: Photo, Video, Night, Pro, Panoramic, Portrait, Time-lapse, Slow-motion, Text scanner, Extra HD, Macro, Movie, Dual-view video, Sticker, and Soloop Templates.
Front: Photo, Video, Panoramic, Portrait, Night, Time-lapse, Sticker, and Dual-view videoVideoRear
[email protected], [email protected]/30fps, [email protected]/30fps
Video stabilization: EIS, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Video zoom: [email protected], [email protected]/30fps, [email protected]/30fps
Slow motion video: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Movie mode: [email protected]
Time-lapse video: [email protected]
Dual-view video: [email protected]
Front
1080P/[email protected] (Default: [email protected]; retouching turned on)
Video zoom: Supported
Slow motion: Not supportedChipsNPU MariSilicon X
CPU MediaTek Dimensity 8100-MAX
CPU Speed Cores 8 cores with a maximum clock rate of 2.85GHz (4 big cores + 4 little cores)
GPU Arm Mali-G610 MC6BatteryBattery
2 × 2185mAh/16.99Wh (Rated value)
2 × 2250mAh/17.50Wh (Typical value)
Fast Charge
80W SUPERVOOCTM, 65W SUPERVOOCTM, 50W SUPERVOOCTM, VOOC, PD (9V/2A), QC (9V/2A)
*Note: For regions that use a voltage of 110V, including Taiwan, North America, and Latin America, the charging supports up to 66W. (80W cannot be supported.)BiometricsFingerprint In-display fingerprint sensor
Facial Recognition SupportedSensorsGeomagnetic sensor
Light sensor
On-screen proximity sensor
On-screen optical sensor
Accelerometer
Gravity sensor
Gyroscope
Step recording function supportedCellular NetworkSIM 2 Supported
SIM Card Type Nano-SIM card
Frequency Band
2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
3G: UMTS (WCDMA) bands 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
4G: TD-LTE bands 38/39/40/41
4G: LTE FDD bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/26/28/32
5G: n77/78/38/40/41/1/3/5/7/8/20/28 BlockA&BlockBConnectivityWLAN
Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax), Wi-Fi 5 (802.11ac), 802.11a/b/g/n/; Wi-Fi 2.4GHz, Wi-Fi 5.1GHz, Wi-Fi 5.8GHz;
Wi-Fi Display and Wi-Fi tethering;
2 × 2MIMO; 8 Spatial-stream sounding MU-MIMO
Bluetooth Version Bluetooth v5.3, Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
Bluetooth Audio Codec
SBC, AAC, LHDC, aptX HD, and LDAC supported
USB Interface USB Type-C
Earphone Jack Type-C
NFC Supports reading from and writing to 13.56MHz NFC cards
Supports NFC-SIM card (Only supports SIM 1) and HCE paymentOperating SystemColorOS 12.1, upgrade to ColorOS 13Location TechnologyGNSS GPS, A-GPS, BeiDou, GLONASS, Galileo, QZSS
Frequency Antenna GPS: L1+L5, GALILEO: E1+E5a, BeiDou: B1I+B2a, QZSS: L1+L5, GLONASS: G1
Others AGPS, Wi‑Fi, Cellular, Digital compass
Maps Google Maps and other third-party map apps are supported
The OPPO Reno8 Pro 5G get you covered for all your day-to-day usage
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What we learned about these specs:
The Mediatek SoC, the Max Variant of the Dimensity 8100, but also the integration of the NPU MariSilicon X, only the Find X5 series got so far.
It means it is the 1rst one in the mid-range, or Reno series, to be equipped with it. While in China, the Dimensity Variant of the X5 Pro was without it. Interesting choice here.
The Dimensity 8000/8100 Series:
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You got your back cover. In the benchmark part of this review, you will have enough horsepower for 99.9% of your daily usage, including gaming. But here, I tried to understand the need for an additional NPU as the Mediatek ISP is more than capable in many photography scenarios (4K, 60fps, HDR10+, AI motion Unblur, Lossless Zoom, Dual camera recording with both in HDR…). On paper no need for it.
MariSilicon X, NPU by OPPO:
● Featuring best-in-class power efficiency, 20-bit ultra-high dynamic range, real-time RAW processing, and Enhanced RGBW Pro Mode.
● Enabling high-quality 4K AI Night Video and live preview on Android smartphones for the first time.
So, if you take a look at the OPPO Reno8 Pro 5G website, it seems OPPO markets the NPU as a powerful addition for:
4K Night Video
4K HDR Video
Night Portrait
Well, It might not be overkill, but hey, why not? We’ll see it later in the dedicated part.
The Design
The OPPO Reno8 Pro is a tribute to Antics maths and Archichecture splendor
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Since last year, OPPO has decided to adopt a unibody chassis with a dedicated form factor for the optical block. This year and for the Reno 8 series, they managed to improve it and got it right. I am a big fan of it.
Slim, lightweight, flat screen, well balanced, nice grip, and any flagship should be close to it.
The company communicates about Reno 8 Pro’s design and declares the smartphone is based on the Golden Ratio (1:.618). For a reminder, Golden Ratio is a mathematical proportion that is in its nature aesthetically attractive, used since Antiquity. OPPO added that its designers used the same proportion for the rear camera optical block but also for the handset form factor, horizontally and vertically, to create its pleasing aesthetic.
I will say the job is done here.
You can take a look at it in this video, and judge by yourself:
OPPO Reno 8 Pro 5G Quick TourI know flavors and colors. Personally, I really got a flagship vibe with this color and form factor. I can put it on a table, be casual, or work-ish; it will blend with any occasion.
So I have the Glazed Black variant; however, a second color exists, the Glazed Green.
Clearly, the Green one is a wonderful summer, splashy color and appealing too. Black is more classic but has a more day-to-day professional vibe. I’m more into mate colors than shiny ones like the Black Find X5. However, the X5 Pro was also glossy, so maybe a way to show the Reno8 uses top-notch materials and gives him a flagship feel.
Just for the beauty of it:
The Screen
Lot of Flagships should take example
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It’s flat. And I like it. Period. I’m fed up with this curved waterfall, edge, whatever the name. In a sense, the only purpose is to make the phone thin with small edges, thanks to this trick. But Reno8 Pro doesn’t need it. It’s already thin and well-balanced; the flat screen is absolutely the best choice here.
It’s a 10Bit Panel (8+2 to be precise) compatible 120Hz and up to 720Hz touch sampling rate (with compatible games that support frame interpolation tech).
100% DCI P3 or sRGB depending on the screen mode, 6.7 inches with HDR support up to nearly 1000 nits at peak (950).
I know flagship with lower luminosity than that.
Plus, it is Gorilla Glass 5.
For color restitution, by default, it’s too over-saturated for me, you can go further, or you can switch to more natural colors, a thing I’ve done. I’m pleased with it, especially under the bright sun, while riding my back and checking for navigation instructions with Google Maps.
It’s interesting to see this year’s mid-range products providing the same specs in so many departments, including this one, of past end years’ flagships or even surpassing some flagships that are only one year old.
2. Performance
OPPO Reno 8 Pro or a Flagship?
Why choosing, with the Reno 8 Pro, you got both.
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The Geek/Nerd paradise with numbers and benchmarks. First, in everyday use, I have no issue with this matter. The OPPO Reno 8 Pro runs smoothly for applications, translations, live transcripts, gaming, videos, or even photography. You got way enough horsepower here. It’s pretty much the same level of performance as last year’s flagship. No overheating, no throttling so far I’ve experimented. So far, so good.
Let’s start with AnTuTu:
No surprise here, The phone is top 10%, close to Oneplus 9 Pro under SD 888 and Oneplus 10R under the same SoC as the OPPO Reno 8 Pro.
AI Capability:
AITuTu:For a reminder, here is the last ranking available:
And now the result:
No need to go further, the Max variant of the 8100 got its AI boosted vs. the 8000, and it seems they did a good job (usually around 750K for the 8000).
Geekbench ML:In this case, Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 hits 500/550 for CPU, 1800 for GPU, and Google Tensor around 1700 for NPU.
Geekbench ML wasn’t able to fully perform the NPU test, maybe due to the one from Mediatek and the one from OPPO, both at the same time?! I’m still wondering if it’s a software, app, or hardware issue.
Throttling?It seems not, even after a burn-in-test with CPU Throttle:
Now for gaming:I tried Genshin, The Division Resurgence, and some others. No lag, 90 fps, plus OPPO integrate some nice Gaming tools to change some settings and permit running them how they should be. It is compatible with Razer Kishi (What I used); the thin design and flat screen are just green lights for this. I enjoy more playing with it than some other smartphones. The battery was impressive too. When I played The Division Ressuregence, I played straight for more than 4 hours (with AC, my favorite license), and I was still able to use the smartphone until the end of the day.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ivision.mobile.combat.shooting.open.world.rpg
3. ColorOS and Connectivity
OPPO reached with ColorOS 12.1 the maturity needed to move to the next step.
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ColorOS… ColorOS… ColorOS
A second time I got this UI after the X5. First of all, Android 13 and ColorOS 13 will be available for this product. Beta starts in October. It should have 2 Major Android updates with four years of security updates, including A13. Usually, the security updates are only quarterly.
The first boot is Android 12, out of the box, with ColorOS 12.1 material design. You will surely have a D1 OTA (July Patch, in my case).
A few days ago, I received the August security patch with some corrections included.
It’s themed like many OEMs. However, you can see the Android 12 base behind the curtains and sometimes even Android itself with no customization.
However, when you dig into it, OPPO made many customizations in their system. Launcher, notifications, Icons, settings, smart sidebar, their own privacy sub-menu, including the Android functionalities. They have tons of applications such as OPPO Share, Omoji, gallery, video, even the clock, files app, O Relax (?), and so many apps like App cloner, App Enhancement, App services or others OPPO in-home system apk. Not mentioned on top of the Android Framework, you will also find an OPPO/OPlus framework to make all these works together (surely necessary for the Phone Manager that looks like the security center in MIUI).
We are on Google App for Android for the Phone Dialer and SMS/Messages APP. No OPPO system apps for that. And I like that. So, no debate here.
At first glance, all these apps are just giving the users some native functionalities Android already integrates into Android 12. And give the impression that they are reminiscence of a China firmware variant without Google services in this local market. But lots of them are marked as EU APK variants. And many system apps can’t be uninstalled (disable only). And all of them are not available on the Google Play store as they should be if we follow Android Guidelines. I’m really waiting for all system apps under Aarch64 and available on the Play Store with uninstalling possibility.
I said earlier, no biases. I started to get used to ColorOS, it was hard at first, but now it’s becoming way better.
It gives the impression that OPPO has integrated Android 12 functionalities made by Google, added theirs on top to expand them, and managed to balance it somehow.
Let’s start with the launcher. It’s fast, allows many options, got the discover/at glance functionality, and you can add widgets (works well with OPPO widgets, less with 3rd party apps/Google widgets), change the layout of the home screens, change the shape or even colors of the icons, notification shade icons. So, you will say Material You. It seems an OPPO solution, including a wallpaper color picker.
I still think the Notification shades can be ameliorated, and they are a struggle for me. Too many operations to have a global view and enter the app. I have many email accounts and receive many emails. You can have all the notifications grouped for each inbox; that’s great. You can unfold them and see each notification for each mail. Great. But when it’s folded, clicking on the shade, you should get you in the inbox with all read and unread mail. Here, you need to unfold, select an email, go into the email in the app, go back, and then be in your inbox.
And the system is still responsive, the battery is good, and no drain due to these additions; you customized the Reno 8 Pro to get a closer look at a Pixel/Stock OS. Some options or functionality will pop, giving you more of this feel… or the opposite.
I choose the US region on the phone, meaning lots of functionalities are deactivated to comply with local regulations… No Omoji, Themes, or way to customize the OS. Usually, when these options are free (like themes), the product is you (and your data). It can be a nice touch; for me, it’s just a gimmick, like a quick ball, smart bar. I tried them. I understand the addiction, but it’s not for me. At least the goal of Android, personalize it for your own usage. And it was the same for O Relax. It allows you to relax with a mix of music and video for the time you have decided. Zen attitude. Yep, great for those who need it, nope for me.
For the quick ball, is there an example that van is handy if you need, on the fly, translation, for instance:
Quick Ball Translation toolsYou can also easily use the splitting screen functionality
Dual windows/Split windows function
For Privacy, OPPO stated, “User privacy is about transparency. OPPO has been improving data compliance through storage and process. With servers deployed in multiple locations worldwide, OPPO guarantees that user data stays in the nearby servers, saved in a non-plain text transmitted using a proprietary protocol.”
ColorOS 12.1 comes with Private System, Private Safe, App Lock, and more security features with Android 12 Privacy Dashboards. However, on the phone, their privacy notice is outdated from November 2020. It seems the servers are in Germany for EU users, so OPPO complies with GPDR.
Okay, user data are safe and encrypted. ColorOS even integrates the new A12 guidelines as permissions of apps to use the camera, microphone, localization (approximate or precise), the data used, and the green dot to indicate whether an app uses a microphone or camera. Android 13 should bring more features concerning user privacy.
Anti-peeping feature is also included, and the system will recognize if it’s the viewer looking at the screen, so the notification or content can be hidden if tuned this way.
So, with the integration of Android 12 Features, OPPO custom-made additions, a new 3D engine for rendering, the wallpaper-based theming stuff, the smart sidebar, the nearby share integration, the quick return bubble, and all the animations On, what about the battery?
Surprisingly… Good. OPPO reaches, updates after updates, a great maturity for ColorOS 12 (12.1). It’s even a shame they move to ColorOS 13 so quickly. Fingers crossed it will keep the same stability I have now.
So far, with 3 Gmail accounts + 2 Exchange ones + photography + not a great network as fewer frequencies available here in the US with an EU variant + YouTube + some casual games here and there… You are good to go for the day. As usual, I turned my smartphone by restricting apps I don’t use, and I need to refresh when I go inside them (and believe me, it makes a massive difference as ColorOs allows Foreground Activity, Background Activity, and Auto Launch options to enable or disable).
And if there is an issue, you can activate the Super power-saving mode making your smartphone a feature phone. You can add three apps on top of the clock, dialer, and messaging apps. It will help you be reachable until you find a way to recharge your phone.
Like many OEMs, OPPO integrates the virtual RAM gimmick, adding virtual memory using your storage as paginated space for the less used apps still in memory and the multitasking mode. So, you will have from 2Gb to 7Gb more than the 8Gb or 12Gb RAM available in this variant. With UFS 3.1, the less used in-memory apps, no slowdown with that… I received the 12Gb, I decided to disable this feature.
Floating windows are also available with the OPPO Reno 8 Pro, here are some screenshots
It’s fully functional; the animations are great, nothing to add. Some OEMs have an issue implementing on top of their framework, but this is not the case here. If you’re a fan of it, you will enjoy it with the Reno8 series.
Connectivty
5G DSDS, BT 5.3 LE, aptX audio, wireless cast, close to perfect.
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ColorOS also integrates all you need for casting your screen. From Miracast to Chromecast, all wirelessly. So far, I wasn’t able to cast via the USB-C VS the X5 Series; maybe they cut corners here to keep the price low.
To share your screen on your computer, you will need to download an app, PC Connect client for Mac or Windows, allowing the connection with your phone… And that’s it. You will have a floating window on your desktop mirroring your OPPO screen. Fast and easy. Sharing clipboard functionality is also available.
https://connect.oppo.com/en-US
Wifi Situation:
The Wi-Fi 6 is 2.4Gbps compatible in the Connectivity part. However, with my device, I couldn’t connect over 1.2Gbps, while my X5 or P6Pro or even SSI smartphones were able to achieve it. I’m still wondering if we got here only 80Mhz x1 or 2x 40Mhz Antennas. I’m still waiting for an answer from OPPO in this matter.
With OPPO Reno 8 ProSame spot with a Pixel 6 Pro
For LTE, LTE-A, LTE NR, SA, NSA, 5G, or whatever, sorry, EU variant, and I am in the US, so it won’t be representative.
For USB type c onboard, a lot of websites advertise a USB-C 2.0. Well, I’m not so sure, or it was fast. I transferred more than 8Gb in less than 5mn, and it’s more than 10-15mn with a USB 2.0 port. So maybe not 3.1 or 3.2, but 3.0 is a possibility here.
For the Bluetooth connection, it is 5.3 LE. I’m a big fan of Qualcomm Snapdragon Sound. Even if the device is not compatible with lossless codec for the last Snapdragon Sound as it is for Snapdragon SoC and Fastconnect like the 8+ Gen 1, it is also compatible with aptX codec as LDAC (Sony). And it’s a big welcoming surprise. So Well done, OPPO, on that. It’s worth the extra money.
And also, there are no 3.5mm jack nor USB-C to Jack adapter in the box, so having a flawless BT Audio experience was needed, even for a mid-range device (Premium Mid-range in this case)
4. Camera and Photography
Great for every day situations, with an emphasis for portrait and night videos
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First, I want to remind all the readers that the Reno Series is a mid-range device. Not here to cannibalize the Find series or other flagship from the brand.
Meaning, if it was a Flagship worth $1000 or more, I would be pissed. Even if I still don’t understand some choices here.
Let’s take it off directly, No OIS, No Raw file option, no 4K/60fps, no long exposure or vlog options.
OIS is hardware; however, EIS is doing the job, especially with video modes. But the rest is only software. Worst, with all the NPU and Mediatek ISP, integrating them into the Reno 8 Pro should even be a problem. I’m still wondering why they didn’t, if there is any hardware limitation here or even the marketing reason, product managers, or whatever. Literally, it’s frustrating as it could blow away the competition if these basic features were integrated. Again, so far, for me, except for OIS (optical stab), it’s only software limitations.
I had one issue with the Gallery app, the HEIC to JPG tool while exporting to social networks, and the HEIF File format. It seems some apps, some websites, or even sharing them may result in no way to view the result with a different device. If you are sharing your work or just storing it, you should choose what suits you the best. The last update from Google Photos fixed a lot of glitches related to it, but so far the OPPO Gallery is still behind.
For the selfie part, OPPO introduced a new 32MP RGGW (W for white) custom sensor, the Sony IMX709. The aperture is f/2.4. It would have been better with an f/2.0, but again, we got one dedicated to capturing more light with its white layer. Remember, this selfie camera was the rear main Reno 7 sensor, with its cat-eye lens (not the case here). The OPPO F21 Pro is also equipped with it.
Now for the results, they are pretty good, nevertheless. As usual better to see vs. explain, so here are some examples:
Some Colors shots:
Food here and there:
Flowers:
Low Light Portraits shots (by playing with editing tools and filters available on the gallery and camera apps):
The post-treatment can be super aggressive in portrait mode, I advise you to tune it before and do some tests, or deactivate it. Again depending on the subject, the feminine population was more tend to push it to the limit and was happy about that. Flavors and colors…
Night shots:
A big part here is the use of the NPU, MariSilicon, for the 4K HDR vs. no HDR recording videos (in H265, meaning they might not be played in your browser, so here is a shared drive in Google Photos: ):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/9ErYqbTped3Thjxa8
No HDRHDR
So here, more saturated colors, blacks are deeper, and contrast is stronger than with no HDR enabled.
Here is an example of a street video with a lot of lights, smoke, and people moving around:
Let’s go a last one:
As you can see, I hit it hard in a low light environment, not an easy task, with no gimbal too, and obviously no OIS.
The result is still here, exploitable and way enough for your social media or even for editing.
You also got slow motion and timelapse video options too, so here 2 “How-To” videos and timelapse examples (post-encoded in 720P for space-saving):
Panorama Trick
Timelapse, 3 hours in 2mn
Slo-Mo
Here are some random videos in daylight:
Now, from a tech point: I was surprised to see the NPU added to X5 Series with the last Qualcomm and Snapdragon SoC. I’m still thinking the Triple ISPs are in fine better. Now we got the same with this Reno 8 Pro. Again, on my side, Mediatek ISP is better too than a 3rd party solution (especially since we don’t have 4K/60fps or even 8K available, or triple video streams at the same time recording capability, or 4K HDR selfie videos… etc etc). So Why?
The only things I’m thinking about right now are:
You don’t pay your supplier for their tools and licensing
You can have a dedicated team tuning and pushing updates whatever the SoC on the devices
You can push the same updates to every device with this NPU less time and resource consuming
Having the same NPU here and there allows them to train it more quickly and feed him with data and case scenarios.
Maybe some stuff I forget and am not aware of.
Is it right or not, it’s the trend now from Xiaomi, OPPO, VIVO etc. Do I like it? Nope. And I’m pretty sure we won’t see the benefits, as users, until mid-next year if it’s still alive.
5. The Battery and Charger:
Charging is blazing fast, really fast. And the battery stands long.
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First, for the USA, with 110V, it’s 66W fast charging (SUPERVOOC), others 80W. It reminds me of the OnePlus 10 Pro situation, except it was 65W (coughing…). If you got a 150/160W SUPERVOOC charger from Realme, OnePlus, it would be 80W. But whatever, it’s only a 3mn difference for a full charge between 65/66W and full 80W.
It’s just surprising OPPO decided to port X5 fast charging capability to a mid-range like the Reno, while a lot of 2022 flagships are still using 18/27/33/50/55/65W charging instead of 80/120/150W available on the market.
Yep, that’s right; the Reno8 Pro doesn’t need to be jealous of the top tiers of flagships available in the market concerning this point.
Indeed, from 17% to 100% in 33 minutes. Take a shower, grab a coffee, listen to a podcast, and you’re fueled up for more a day of battery. And yes, with many push email accounts, listening to music with TWS, smartwatch connected, GPS navigation, some gaming sessions in the commute (or streaming), social media, and posting photography shots… Your smartphone will handle it. Worst, you are a heavy player, just 5mn of charging here and there, and that’s it.
Now, two things bother me with the power outlet/charger. No USB-C port, it’s an old USB type A. I can understand the idea is to have the cable able to connect to a computer port or even Android Auto, where usually it’s still “type A.” Plus, no Type A to USB-C adapter to make the USB cable type C to type C. But again, it’s a mid-range and not a Flagship device.
The second is the size of the outlet. It’s huge for an 80W. Now we got GaN technology, and I’ve seen 150W chargers smaller than this one.
As you can see, OPPO should release a GaN 80W, the same size as the Xiaomi 65W in the photos. It would be a killer product.
6. Final thoughts:
Do you want the best for BTS, in its category? No Brainer, the OPPO Reno8 Pro is for you.
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Yes, if you’re searching for the best premium mid-range device with an incredible feeling in your hands, the OPPO Reno8 Pro 5G is for you. If you don’t have the money to pay for a $/€1000 flagship device, the same, the device is for you.
Now, you will think twice if you can put your hands on a new H2 2021 (or even an H1 2022 flagship for a lower price than the OPPO Reno8 Pro).
You will have to consider what is your usage of the device for every day: more into photography, selfie, night videos with HDR, gaming, social media, and maybe some stuff I’m forgetting.
And it will be a hard decision as the OPPO Reno8 Pro can easily be mistaken for a flagship with some software addition. The line is growing thinner than usual between next year’s mid-range device and the previous flagship. Usually, it was a one-year and a half gap; now, we’re even close to 6 months. And worst, the new OnePlus 10T only got the latest Snapdragon SoC + the charging time for him (around 10mn faster for a full 0 to 100 charge) VS. the OPPO Reno8 Pro 5G, and they are available at the same time on the market. However, the OPPO Reno8 Pro 5G surpasses the OP10T for all photos and videos matter.
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Happy to see here, there's a threat about the Oppo Reno 8 pro. I'm using this wonderfull phone now since one week, as replacement for an Galaxy S22 ultra.
The Reno 8 pro runs as we can aspect from an flexible phone. Mine is the 8 gb version, but everything runs much smoother than on that S22 ultra with 12 gb.
In my contacts I have made more groups of persons. Now I want to give every group its own ringtone. Probely, I'm not looking on the right place but I can't change this for the whole group at ones.
Can someone help me, where to find this setting?
This is what I found online, but its not working for the Reno 8 pro:
1. Open [Phone] > [Contacts] > [My Groups].
2. Tap the group you wish to set the new ringtone for.
3. Tap [Ringtone
] at the bottom and select the desired ringtone for the group.
Is the coloros China or globel edition? Can you test gps using gps test app to see if it support beidou gps?