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Which GPS map to buy

I seem to have various options for upgrading the TomTom software that came with my Kaiser. Problem is I'm not sure which options are viable.
I can buy European map for £39.95 from here (but will it work with the version of TomTom that came with my phone?)
http://www.tomtom.com/products/maps...af29it42pga3imj7kdldbt6&D=23&Language=1&P=327
I can buy the software and maps for £68.95 from here (do I need this upgrade to my software?) (I was directed here from the HTC site)
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=149139
When I downloaded my free map I was given a code and told that it could be used to obtain a discount. I could not find any options to do this on the HTC site:
http://www.europe.htc.com/en/workplay/tomtom_buymaps.html
Is this discount now discounted?
On a slightly different topic, I would like to log my position. The TomTom software I have does not let me do that. Is this because it is a cut down version of the full product (ie, not just reduced map coverage) or do I have to buy a different product that supports this functionality?

TomTom 6 Compatibility

Right here we go folks: TomTom 6. Kasier (MDA III) 6.1 (no thrills ROM).
I installed TomTom onto my first Kaiser (standard ROM) no problems and it worked fine until the unit died. I have a replacment device and have requested a new code from TomTom. They have said that the MDA III is not compatible and pointed me to the list of devices which are compatible. What's on there, yes the MDA III, TyTnII etc. I pointed this out to them and they said it was wrong, the device does not work with TomTom and they wont give me a new code until I provide proof of another device (other than the Kasier)!!
Has anyone else had issues or is it TomTom support being lame as usual?
Thanks.

What a load of rubbish. If TOMTOM do not provide support for the HTC Kaiser/TyTN II/Vario III, then why do most Shops (eXpansys, totalPDA, etc.) sell it with a trial version? I'd tell them to get stuffed and send you the code, they're just being idiots...

Wow! They are being incredibly obtuse. It's their compatibility list, it's hardly your fault that it's 'wrong' and in any case I don't think it is. I think you need to speak to a different support person, somebody that knows their arse from their elbow.

Yep, I think I'll give them a call and get it sorted. Watch this space...

Hi,
In France, i encountered worries with tomtom traffic (nearly lost a week
of "subscription fee") because of Tomtom servers failure(guessed, they never admit clearly any reponsability), and followed a kind of farcical exchanges with their support, but they didnt offer me a real kind /commercial gesture(2-3 days of traffic for a week lost !) and they shown themselves arrogant, obtuse, taking me for an idiot.
Not at all paying careful attention to their...paying customers.
Good luck so !
Regards

This just in from TomTom support:
"I have confirmed again with our PDA Specialist and they have stated that there is a huge difference between the MDA III and the MDA Vario III. Since you have the MDA Vario III we are unable to provide you with another activation code."
Odd how they list the TyTn II as a compatible device.

That's ridiculous. I can understand your frustration! Here's the eXpansys Kaiser page, do a Ctrl+F for TOMTOM and it states under the Technical Details:
• GPS
- Internal GPS antenna
- Standalone GPS abd A-GPS mode
- TomTom Navigator 6 Edition (TomTom 6 Taster Edition)
Have you tried showing TOMTOM Support anything like this (which clearly proves that the Kaiser is supported/compatible)?

Yes I emailed them a link to the £500+ package that expansys do with TT6. Lets see what they say this time!

This is a joke, surely:
"The compatibility of your device has been confirmed from our Technical Support Team who are Specialist in PDA products."
Time to phone them and go beserk I reckon!

It's the kind of situation where you want to laugh and cry at the same time. There's not really much left to do apart from argue the toss with them untill they oblige. Good luck and let us know how it go's.

Another update to the saga. I spoke to TomTom supoprt over the phone who were very helpful and said they wold request a change of device code and get back to me. Just got this back from them:
"Unfortunately it has been confirmed again that the Vario III is not on our compatibility list, therefore you will not be able to run Tom Tom software.
The reason your device code keeps changing is due to the fact that device is incompatible.
We cannot change the device code on your account to reflect an incompatible device."
Anyone want to buy TomTom6??!

Finally I'm getting somewhere! TomTom have said they will reactivate my software, but only if I do not request any further support for the device, and do not ask for another code if its doesnt work.

TomTom Navigator
Hi,
The reason they don't 'support' it or refuse to give out the code, is because every time you change the ROM, one that has a new build, then the TomTom server will think you're trying to use their software on a different device and so on, this is especially the case with the TomTom Plus services. I had this problem with my VPA (HTC TyTN) and they would not re-create the code for my TomTom Plus (Traffic Updates). Luckily I knew the old build, so I searched for cooked ROM's that were using that build.
Regards,

Thats a bummer. Why do they tie the code to software, surely they could base it on the IMEI number as that is fixed and does not change regardless of which software you are running.

RE tomtom device code
HI I had same problem with my activation code when I changed rom have found a crack which gives u the code when u try to start maps it gives you device code and u run this software it gives you the activation code. Does it make sense.
RAJ ( I will post this here if needed pls ask instructions are included takes 2 mins)

I am not sure what everybody is talking about
I have ATT tilt with Dutis ROM loaded
and TomTom 6 is working splendidly except may be for the fact that it takes a minute or so to get the satelite fix
but other then that perfect GPS
I would like to find a better software more user firendly
but since I have the maps for US canada and most of europe I gues tom tom is the GPS of choice for me now

Tomtom traffic services
I think the Tomtom support is the worst i've ever seen. For my Kaiser, I know werre the problem is, but don't know how to solve it. When you launch to the traffic information update, the software sends a PHP request to the server including your login, password and this is the problem a serial number that should be your IMEI, but the application sends a wrong number (the first digit is wrong). If I send the same request with my good IMEI through IE I have a message like "enjoy with your promotion". If you know in what file or registry key Tomtom stores this number I think it will not be so hatd to change it to the correct one and find an access to the traffic server.
HTC TyTn2
SPL 3.56
ROM 3.28.406.0 FRE
Radio 1.71.09.01
Protocole 25.75.40.02 eMo

TT6 on Tilt with official WM 6.1?
I did as much searching as I can handle but could not find a resolution. Tried to install 6.032, get a message saying "Unable to install application. Please update your device ROM to the required version before trying again."

I have TomTom 6 v 6.010 installed w/o an issue. I currently have the standard AT&T 6.1 ROM. The only issue is that it takes 3 to 4 minutes to acquire a signal. However this seems to be a product of WM 6.1.

ALK Co-Pilot Copilot 7.0 issue with Touch Diamond

Hi All
Before you think about a Sat Nav package for your diamond be aware that there is an issue with HTC Touch Diamonds and Copilot live 7.0. If you install the product the routing becomes (to put it politely) eratic and insane, avoiding motorways and taking B roads instead of A roads and it doesn't take advantage of the Diamond's two tier geo positioning.
The issue is you need a new version (not bad news you say? - you have to pay full price for it!)
If you have already purchased your copy for PDA and are intending to transfer the license you now have to buy a whole new license! There is no upgrade for existing users
- BOOOOO HISSSSSS ALK.COM!!!!!!!! Update: There is no need to buy the new version - ALK Support are trying to resolve the isssue
UPDATE: 23-Aug-08
ALK Support have now offered a refund as the issue I have turns out not to require the purchase of a new version of software (but there is still no upgrade for previous versions on the site [yet]) for the device although their support team sent that as a resolution - see later in this thread.
Yours
Leon

You don't need a new version. Copilot can be moved from device to device. In the product you can deactivate from one device and apply to another.
I don't have the routing issues you are talking about either.

I don't have the issues you mentioned but mine is a recently purchased Diamond edition. I doubt there are many differences between the two CoPilot Live 7 versions.

I Installed the version that came with my Orbit 2 (Not sure if it was v6 or v7) and it seemed to work fine, Once Copilot Central was installed on my PC it automatically updated it with new features (definatly v7 now), I don't think its the Diamond version but I don't see why you need a diamond version as the original works fine In every way. Even subscribed to traffic now which works suprisingly well, got me out of alot of jams.
Rich
EDIT: Just been on a trip to the Lake District and have now experienced some eratic routing which was very annoying. I couldn't work out what it was trying to do most of the time, but it seems to overcomplicate the route instead of taking simpler more direct routes. Not Happy at the moment!!!

leondaphillips said:
"If you have already purchased your copy for PDA and are intending to transfer the license you now have to buy a whole new license! There is no upgrade for existing users"
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Hi, I work at ALK, and I would like to confirm officially that our existing customers are absolutely able to transfer their CoPilot Live 7 license from an existing device to an HTC Touch Diamond. Customers must deactivate from their original device first though. There is no need to purchase an additional license.
CoPilot's features, functionality and routing are not affected by a transfer to the Touch Diamond - our standard product is compatible.
We have however released a special DVD edition of CoPilot Live that copies and installs CoPilot software and mapping to the Touch Diamond's internal storage automatically. It is an solution to enable new customers to get up and running.
Hope this clarifies.
David

Thank you for clarifying this David - it's always appreciated to see vendors showing their faces from time to time in public forums... it reminds us all there are humans behind the corporate name!
I have a question if I may - have ALK considered making a trial version of CoPilot available? I am very interested in the product but you hear so many conflicting opinions from other users (this thread is a good example) it's impossible to really know for sure how well it will suit my needs. The same can be said for all the other competing products also so I'm not singling you out, but as you're here!
I dare say that, rightly or wrongly, some of the personal justifications some people make for installing pirated software may well stem from the lack of such trial versions... and once it's on the device it may be beyond some to actually then stump up the cash if they do find they like it.
I know you may well not be able to respond in an official capacity but if you could at least pass the issue back as a requested user requirement that'd be much appreciated!
Mathew

Could someone confirm what the latest version of Copilot 7 actually is?
Currently on my device I have the following version info:
Version: 7.7.0.134
Data: NAVTEQ.EU.07Q1.2.2.2.2
Could someone just have a check to see what version they have?
PS: I'm running on a Touch Pro, not experienced any issues yet but then I've not done a proper trip yet with this device either.

Co-Pilot 7.0 Live for Touch Diamond
leondaphillips said:
Hi All
Before you think about a Sat Nav package for your diamond be aware that there is an issue with HTC Touch Diamonds and Copilot live 7.0. If you install the product the routing becomes (to put it politely) eratic and insane, avoiding motorways and taking B roads instead of A roads and it doesn't take advantage of the Diamond's two tier geo positioning.
NOTCH ANOTHER ONE UP TO TOM TOM!!!
Yours
Leon
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After purchasing THIS from ALK I have to contact them and get a email which gives me a link to down load the files for my phone, so much for
Supplied on DVD which automatically transfers and installs maps and software to the Touch Diamond
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So now its on my device and I try to use it and that's where the fun begins.
the routing is as random as you could get without without asking your mad aunt with Alzheimer to give you directions. I'm waiting just for it to try to get me to use rail tracks.
Next as you drive the positioning is not smooth and updates when it feels like it.
As for Traffic Management - nope I wont work on the Touch Diamond
Would I recommend any body to use CoPilot 7 Live? NO not yet
Please tel me that ALK are working a version for the Touch Diamond

S0ylentK said:
After purchasing THIS from ALK I have to contact them and get a email which gives me a link to down load the files for my phone, so much for
So now its on my device and I try to use it and that's where the fun begins.
the routing is as random as you could get without without asking your mad aunt with Alzheimer to give you directions. I'm waiting just for it to try to get me to use rail tracks.
Next as you drive the positioning is not smooth and updates when it feels like it.
As for Traffic Management - nope I wont work on the Touch Diamond
Would I recommend any body to use CoPilot 7 Live? NO not yet
Please tel me that ALK are working a version for the Touch Diamond
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Traffic does work on the Touch Diamond, you need to buy a subscription here.

S0ylentK said:
After purchasing THIS from ALK I have to contact them and get a email which gives me a link to down load the files for my phone, so much for
So now its on my device and I try to use it and that's where the fun begins.
the routing is as random as you could get without without asking your mad aunt with Alzheimer to give you directions. I'm waiting just for it to try to get me to use rail tracks.
Next as you drive the positioning is not smooth and updates when it feels like it.
As for Traffic Management - nope I wont work on the Touch Diamond
Would I recommend any body to use CoPilot 7 Live? NO not yet
Please tel me that ALK are working a version for the Touch Diamond
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There is a Touch Diamond version (although the only change over the standard version is the install).
I'm running the standard version and it works just fine - VGA and landscape support.
Routing is fine and I don't have any issues with it. There may be a slight lag (maybe half a second out) between position and actual, but that seems to be the Diamond GPS rather than Copilot as others have said they have the same issue on Tomtom etc.
As for traffic, sorry you have to subscribe as mentioned above, but it is there and will come via GPRS/3G.

Syphon Filter said:
Could someone confirm what the latest version of Copilot 7 actually is?
Currently on my device I have the following version info:
Version: 7.7.0.134
Data: NAVTEQ.EU.07Q1.2.2.2.2
Could someone just have a check to see what version they have?
PS: I'm running on a Touch Pro, not experienced any issues yet but then I've not done a proper trip yet with this device either.
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Just checked and mine is the same version. Copilot Central says I'm up to date and digging on the alk support site it seems its the latest version.

Darrenives said:
Just checked and mine is the same version. Copilot Central says I'm up to date and digging on the alk support site it seems its the latest version.
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Thanks for the confirmation fella

Slightly OT but will grab my chance as we have someone from CoPilot here. I cannot get CoPilot Central to install on Vista 64 bit. Does anyone know if there is a fix for this?

Darrenives said:
As for traffic, sorry you have to subscribe as mentioned above, but it is there and will come via GPRS/3G.
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Menu
Traffic
Settings
Of the two traffic Sources GPRS Wireless is grayed out. ok try TMC Settings but nothing there will work.
So something I get with my TomTom over the air, I have to use my data plan when the TD has a built in FM receiver

graffitisurf said:
Slightly OT but will grab my chance as we have someone from CoPilot here. I cannot get CoPilot Central to install on Vista 64 bit. Does anyone know if there is a fix for this?
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Call ALK support, you will need the 64bit specific build.

An Update
Hi All
I read all the responses I have seen and agree with all of them - you should *not* need to purchase a new DVD, copilot central does indeed install a generic version on the Diamond.
PLEASE NOTE: It is worth posting as a quote the support message (pertinent bits in bold) I got then it is worth mentioning that the support guys have had a rethink, made contact and offered me a refund after having recommended the purchase as the only fix.
Fair play to ALK, europe. They are now working with me to resolve the issue. I have now updated to a ROM with updated drivers (Bepe 0.99dx) and am loading from the DVD I purchased. I am now running the diamond specific release 7.7.1.280 navteq.eu.07q3.v7.1.11.4.3.a
Here's the thread:
Subject “Hi
My Copilot 7 live routing refuses to route if there is a motorway or motorway junction involved! For example, sitting at J17 of the M4 and asking CoPilot to route to my home (1 mile from J16) it chose to add a full 25 miles to the route going north and avoiding any motorway junctions. When leaving the motorway it sent me north rather than south and suggested a route which added a further 5 miles at that point.
The device has given nothing but outlandish routes since I applied the update that the Copilot desktop software suggested!
Any ideas, I am furious with the thing right now - where can I download the previous version that works properly from!??”
Discussion Thread
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Response (Support) - 18/08/2008 11.41 AM
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support.
Please purchase a HTC Diamond DVD from the link below:
http://www.alk.eu.com/buynow/cpl7_touchdiamond.asp
If you have any further questions, or feel that this incident has not been resolved to your satisfaction, please do not hesitate to bring this to our attention.
Regards,
CoPilot European Technical Support
Customer (Customer) - 18/08/2008 11.20 AM
Version 7.7.0.134 is the generic CoPilot build which is not the correct build for the HTC Diamond which is why you are getting these issues as you have applied this update. Can you please confirm if you purchased a Diamond DVD from us , where you purchased your CoPilot software from.
I bought CoPilot on CD from O2 when I got my last phone (O2 XDA Orbit 2)
I have not purchased a Diamond DVD - how much will that cost or is it cheaper to buy a new product?
Response (Support) - 18/08/2008 09.38 AM
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support.
Version 7.7.0.134 is the generic CoPilot build which is not the correct build for the HTC Diamond which is why you are getting these issues as you have applied this update. Can you please confirm if you purchased a Diamond DVD from us , where you purchased your CoPilot software from.
If you have any further questions, or feel that this incident has not been resolved to your satisfaction, please do not hesitate to bring this to our attention.
Regards,
CoPilot European Technical Support
Customer (Customer) - 16/08/2008 10.15 AM
This can be found by going to SETTINGS | MORE | MORE | MORE |
ABOUT CO-PILOT.
Version loaded is V7.7.0.134
Routing preferences are:
Vehicle Type: Automobile
Routing Type Quickest
Toll Roads: Avoid If possible
General: Avoid Ferries (not checked)
Congestion Zones: Allow
View Edit Road preferences
Motorways: Strongly Favour
Speed 85 miles per hour
Dual Carriageways: Strongly favour
Speed 80 miles per hour
Primary Roads:: Favour
Speed: 35 Miles per hour
Secondary Roads: Avoid
Speed: 20 Miles per hour
Local Streets: Avoid
Speed 10 miles per hour
The device I am running this on is an HTC Touch Diamond (DIAM100)
running Windows Mobile 6.1 professional
Hope that helps?
Yours
Customer
Response (Support) - 14/08/2008 11.06 AM
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support.
Which update (and version of update) did you download so I can assist you further? Can you please also check your Routing Preferences tosee if you have customised them to avoid Motorways or whether you used the default Routing profiles, and what version of CoPilot is your device is running. This can be found by going to SETTINGS | MORE | MORE | MORE | ABOUT COPILOT.
If you have any further questions, or feel that this incident has not been resolved to your satisfaction, please do not hesitate to bring this to our attention.
Regards,
CoPilot European Technical Support
Customer (Customer) - 10/08/2008 11.27 AM
Hi
My Copilot 7 live routing refuses to route if there is a motorway or motorway junction involved! For example, sitting at J17 of the M4 and asking CoPilot to route to my home (1 mile from J16) it chose to add a full 25 miles to the route going north and avoiding any motorway junctions. When leaving the motorway it sent me north rather than south and suggested a route which added a further 5 miles at that point.
The device has given nothing but outlandish routes since I applied the update that the Copilot desktop software suggested!
Any ideas, I am furious with the thing right now - where can I download the previous version that works properly from!??
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davidq100 said:
Hi, I work at ALK, and I would like to confirm officially that our existing customers are absolutely able to transfer their CoPilot Live 7 license from an existing device to an HTC Touch Diamond. Customers must deactivate from their original device first though. There is no need to purchase an additional license.
CoPilot's features, functionality and routing are not affected by a transfer to the Touch Diamond - our standard product is compatible.
We have however released a special DVD edition of CoPilot Live that copies and installs CoPilot software and mapping to the Touch Diamond's internal storage automatically. It is an solution to enable new customers to get up and running.
Hope this clarifies.
David
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It also installs a newer version 7.71...

Darrenives said:
Just checked and mine is the same version. Copilot Central says I'm up to date and digging on the alk support site it seems its the latest version.
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Latest is 7.7.1.280 navteq.eu.07q3.v7.1.11.4.3.a

S0ylentK said:
...the routing is as random as you could get without without asking your mad aunt with Alzheimer to give you directions. I'm waiting just for it to try to get me to use rail tracks.
As for Traffic Management - nope I wont work on the Touch Diamond
Would I recommend any body to use CoPilot 7 Live? NO not yet
Please tel me that ALK are working a version for the Touch Diamond
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Hi S0ylentK
The DVD is a couple of GB which is why I guess you cannot download? (PM me?) It installs 7.7.1.280 navteq.eu.07q3.v7.1.11.4.3.a
I will be testing things out today and PM you with results. See other posts for my new ROM and drivers from I have now updated to a ROM (Bepe 0.99dx) - if this resolves things I will be first to post my results to ALK and post them here.
I've just enabled the GPRS Traffic and will post results on that.
More importantly
I will be running by 02 XDA Orbit 2 in a cradle next to my Touch Diamond
I want to see if they both send me different ways (I suspect they will!)
It is amazing just how irritating a busted GPS sat nav can be - I sympathise. ALK UK are working with me to get tracks and routes to test and want to fix the problem we are both experiencing.
Yours
Leon

Sounds like the people with problems havent set their routing preference up properly... ie they have shortest route instead of fastest and hence it is suggesting B roads (as they are more direct even if slower).

Has anybody tried TOMTOM IQ on diamond?

Tomtom IQ suppose to be very clever, according to their website. It should know and direct you according to how busy the roads are. So it might suggest you different route for different hours of the day.
So wondering if anybody tried tomtom IQ on htc diamond before?
cheers

is it a whole new prog or just maps? got bored reading about it on the TomTom website

as far as i understand, its the program, rather than the maps. it gives alternative routes if your usual route is busy at that time.
http://www.tomtom.com/page/iq-routes

is it available yet, and if it is, what for?
may only be a 'built in to the unit' release

looks like it is only for the TomTom Go 930 and 730 units

In fact, I think it's just a feature implemented in some TT devices (x30 units, I guess). Hopefully it will be present in the next TTNavigator (maybe v.8? There are v.8 maps already for v.8-powered devices! )

I am not completely sure what does that mean.. so if it is the case, then can we not somehow install it to htc diamond? do we basically have to wait for it to became available for "other devices"?

i think we have to wait, looking at the screen shots, it is completely different setup to TTN....

Tomtom 7 - best version?

I have got Tomtom 7 and i notice that it is slow to pick up satellites, i am not sure whether this is dependant on the GPS or the software. i am thinking about upgrading to see if it makes any difference, and hopefully get a generally better version of Tomtom for my kaiser.
Any recommendations on what version to upgrade to? I think my current version is 7.450
Also would i be able to use the maps i already have? once i get the .cab file is it just uninstall old TT7 and install new TT7?

warsng said:
I have got Tomtom 7 and i notice that it is slow to pick up satellites, i am not sure whether this is dependant on the GPS or the software. i am thinking about upgrading to see if it makes any difference, and hopefully get a generally better version of Tomtom for my kaiser.
Any recommendations on what version to upgrade to? I think my current version is 7.450
Also would i be able to use the maps i already have? once i get the .cab file is it just uninstall old TT7 and install new TT7?
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The speed of getting satellite fixes is dependent on which radio you use. You should take a look at the radio thread.
Upgrading from 7.450 to the newer 7.910 or 7.915 versions will require re-activating your maps, I believe.

I was wondering the same thing.. My current version is also 7.45.. and it works great for the most part... Do any of the newer versions work with the mapshare or street names ?

I have the 7.910, it's allow to use the maps v8 but i don't see new features or new street ...

cyph3r said:
I have the 7.910, it's allow to use the maps v8 but i don't see new features or new street ...
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LOL.
Everytime when a new map comes, way's are changed. They've closed (example) wall-street. If you have outdated map, you will see wall-street is open.
@warsng
I have the newest tomtom. 7.915.9196. They say its compatible with footprints of manila, but still didn't see any of that option in TOMTOM.
Also with that build of tomtom i got in 2 minutes GPS. Strange, cause didn't use about for 3 months Tomtom. But got radio (famous) 1.65

assangflexx said:
LOL.
Everytime when a new map comes, way's are changed. They've closed (example) wall-street. If you have outdated map, you will see wall-street is open.
@warsng
I have the newest tomtom. 7.915.9196. They say its compatible with footprints of manila, but still didn't see any of that option in TOMTOM.
Also with that build of tomtom i got in 2 minutes GPS. Strange, cause didn't use about for 3 months Tomtom. But got radio (famous) 1.65
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thanks, firing up the torrentz as i write this

When I was using TomTom 6 (original) from Kaiser, getting sat fixed was super fast! Not more than 30 seconds most of the time.
Now, I am using TomTom 7.450 as well, and hell slow
But I dont bother, I am too lazy to update because all other versions (of TT7) are more or less the same.
I am waiting my next dream phone, probably it will show up in MWC Barcelona next week
Toshiba TG01 is the closest one, but I don't like WinMo 6.1. If it can be upgraded to 6.5 (or even 7.0 in the future), I will go for it!