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AT&T locking handsets to accounts?

I just recently upgraded my 8525 to a Tilt, and gave the 8525 to my son. When he swapped his sim card from his Touch to the 8525 it would always show the signal strength with an exclamation point and the data connection had an 'X'. I tried my sim card with it, and got the same results.
I took the phone to the AT&T store and the rep said that AT&T now lets you use only the handset that you have associated with your account. He clicked on a few screens, then the 8525 was able to get and hold a connection using my sons sim card.
He said this is something that AT&T just started in the last week. So much for swapping handsets.....

this is a lie.. i swap between 8525/tilt

jakeypoo said:
this is a lie.. i swap between 8525/tilt
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agreed...mods please close this thread

NOT true. My SIM works in both my 8525 and my Tilt.

Doug2873 said:
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man, that's harsh. Just fishing for more info. Is there something else I should have done?

More like trolling...
Think about it - what possible benefit would AT&T get by locking a handset to a SIM card? NONE! They would have a lot of pissed off customers.
Your son's card was probably disabled and he re-enabled it.

AT&T Sim cards
Might just be that your son's sim card is one of the old 56k Cingular cards and he needed to get a newer 64k card for medianet and 3g to work in the 8525. All he would have to do is call AT&T and they would send him a new card for his account. Don't be fooled by what someone that works in a AT&T store say's to you. One would assume that they know what they are talking about, that is wishfull thinking!!!

my son's sim card was not a 3g card, but mine is. the phone wouldn't work with mine either. when we went to the store we got a 3g card for my son.
i've switched sims between handsets quite a bit, but this time was the first I experienced a phone that wouldn't work. it doesn't make sense that AT&T would do something like this, that's why i posted here for your comments. and cheers to those that chimed in...thanks.

You know, when I tested your theory tonight, I noticed I had a harder time inserting my SIM into my 8525 than into my Tilt. Maybe it wasn't fully seated? The slot is configured different and I had to push harder to get it into the 8525. The first time I booted it I got no signal until I reseated the SIM.
I rarely swap SIMs so I would not notice this normally...

i work @ ATT and i can say that alot of time reps do talk out of their asses my co-workers do it all the time if they do\nt know something or they ask me.. but att hasnt been locking handsetes to sim i swap between my 8525 BJ V3x
SYNC BB pearl and slvr all the time with no problem. g/f does the same thing i do just not as many phones as i do

Sim Vs Usim on Kaiser

Hi Guys,
My Kaiser arriving tomoz to replace aging m3100 (Orange TTyN), but as I share a business contract and need the Kaiser, we have needed to switch Sims on our phones, hence I only have a none-3g sim for my kaiser.
Question is thus;
Do I need it to be a 3G sim to use HSPDA? I understand HSPDA is 3g 1.5 or something, but wanted to clarify the issue.
If no good, how can I get a 3g sim into the phone but retain the number? Orange don't want to play ball, as I have suggested they can 'upgrade' the Sim with new code etc.? ( yes, a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.. )
Any help and advice would be much appreciated..
Cheers

I phoned orange they sent new 3G sim two days ago though mine was on PAYG.
My old sim only got GPRS.
The new sim has a number to phone to register it. Follow the prompts...The rep will ask you for the new sim card number and apply it to your phone.
After you put the new sim card in you'll get a text telling you to switch the phone off then on... then presto HSDPA
Make sure you specify that you want a 3G sim card else they'll try and send you a normal one

Yeah I dont follow at all...
Orange are anal about sim's with devices. You should register the new sim you get with your device and they will change it to your old number within a few hours.

I'm running a Kaiser on T-Mobile and I get HSPDA whenever its available. I don't have 3G service so I think you should get the max Data connection available when its available.

Thanks for tips Guys !
As I have found on other parts of these forums, plenty of great advice given quickly ! Cheers
Just to get this straight, as its a business phone and I cant screw it or lose my number...
Problem is, as I swapped phones with my Bro who I work with, there is already a phone using the number provided on the new sim... So I cant register the new sim.
Orange are ANAL about their sims, and ANAL about removing TouchFlo (Grrr) bunch of ANAL freaks if you ask me..
Anyhoo,
Could I register the sim, and give MY number, and they will register to that number? Orange Bod says there is NOTHING that can be done, NO WY to solve the situation, but you guys are so much smarter than them...
Keep it coming ! Is it poss. to re-code the sim to 3g using a simcard reader? should I find out where Head orange guy lives and shake him warmly by the throat?

2 Line Tilt - 2 different accounts HOW TO?

I have a new Tilt (stock) I want to know if it supports 2 lines? Att phone reps said no, store rep says yes. I want to have my business line and personal line on the same phone - trouble is they are 2 different ATT accounts. Does anyone know for sure if the tilt supports 2 lines? Does anyone know how to mod the sim or the procedure to get a 2nd line from another account onto the phone I have a sim reader/writer but instructions are in hyroglyphics. Could anyone recomend a sim programmer that would do the trick or is the sim card id going to be the road block?

You can look into this solution:
http://www.simore.ch/en/mobile_phone_accessory/HTC/TyTN-II.html

Thanks
I have ordered this sim and will post back after I install it as to how the install whent.

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you can get a dual sim card on ebay

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you can get a dual sim card on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-In-1-GSM-Dual...ryZ48501QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

rsbrandt said:
I have a new Tilt (stock) I want to know if it supports 2 lines? Att phone reps said no, store rep says yes. I want to have my business line and personal line on the same phone - trouble is they are 2 different ATT accounts. Does anyone know for sure if the tilt supports 2 lines? Does anyone know how to mod the sim or the procedure to get a 2nd line from another account onto the phone I have a sim reader/writer but instructions are in hyroglyphics. Could anyone recomend a sim programmer that would do the trick or is the sim card id going to be the road block?
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the adapters that are being listed here will allow you to insert two SIM cards into the device, but only one SIM can be active at a time (so if you have SIM one active, even if not on a call, the second SIM calls/SMS will not show up until to switch).
The Tilt has the ability to accept two numbers but this is a network restriction. Speak to AT&T about MULTISIM or placing a redirect on one of the lines. That way you will have ONE SIM and will be able to accept calls for business and personal on one phone (even have the ability of placing one on hold whilst receving the other).
The only issue comes to your number - people can contact you using either the business number or the personal number. but when you send SMS or make a call, your number will be shown. You need to decide whether this is to be the personal or business numbers shown as you can't easily change this once it is setup.
As I say, speak to your network if the above is the option you are wanting, else go ahead with the dual SIM adapter if you are happy to change over to keep checking for new SMS and voicemails.

Thanks!
I will try out the forwarding, my problem is that my personal line is for another business - I want to be able to determins the origin of the call (ie: from buiness 1 or 2) so I can answer correctly. If I do the forwarding I'm not sure on how to identify the calls. Would it make more sense to port one of the numbers to a land line and then forward it to the phone so when a call comes in it will show the landline caller ID and I will know to answer abc company rather than xyz company? Thoughts?

i think your idea on the divert to landline then divert landline back to mobile is good.
just remember about answerphones - you want people to know they've reached the right place, but don't want to give them the wrong number or name! maybe change your mobile answerphone to "hi it's Bob, please leave a message and i'll return your call" (or whatever - just no number and no business name).
also keep in mind that divert costs. so if i was to telephone you, I pay the normal fee but you pay for the cost of calling your landline from your mobile, and then the cost of calling the mobile from the landline on your home bill. Effectively you would be paying for TWO calls for every call you received.
Why not just divert straight from line 1 to line 2? Then you just pay for call forwarding from the one line?
Hope some of this is helping you

PsyOpWarlord said:
You can look into this solution:
http://www.simore.ch/en/mobile_phone_accessory/HTC/TyTN-II.html
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This is a great idea. Has anyone here tried this on a Kaiser?

Virtual SIM card?

Hi,
So I was thinking, is it possible with some driver may be to make a virtual copy of a physical SIM card, possibly copy 3-4 cards and make the phone work in multi-card mode without the need of SIM cards being physically present?

now that would be nice, a great idea, im pretty sure someone could make something like this since like other phones like sprint dont have a sim card sometimes are programed directly to the phone maybe its the same prosses.
also would make it easier for many like me that have 2 or more sim cards i myself have a T-Mobile (US) and Movistar (Mex.) sim cards and its a bother to have to change them when visiting like right now im in Mexico at the moment.
but it also would bring up another problem to have something like that.
for example someone gets your sim card (if you dont know anything about such program and if made) and someone with mischeif on their minds saves your sim information and uses it as they please. (then again. its just like stealing your phone, you would call your provider and disactivate it so no further charges would apply the second you knew that something was up. its just harder to know since you would have to wait till the bill comes in)
but if at all possible i would use it for good. would be nice

tombrighteyes said:
now that would be nice, a great idea, im pretty sure someone could make something like this since like other phones like sprint dont have a sim card sometimes are programed directly to the phone maybe its the same prosses.
also would make it easier for many like me that have 2 or more sim cards i myself have a T-Mobile (US) and Movistar (Mex.) sim cards and its a bother to have to change them when visiting like right now im in Mexico at the moment.
but it also would bring up another problem to have something like that.
for example someone gets your sim card (if you dont know anything about such program and if made) and someone with mischeif on their minds saves your sim information and uses it as they please. (then again. its just like stealing your phone, you would call your provider and disactivate it so no further charges would apply the second you knew that something was up. its just harder to know since you would have to wait till the bill comes in)
but if at all possible i would use it for good. would be nice
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Indeed, i hope it is possible. I dont think theft would be any problem at all, because the gsm network should not accept simultaneous login from the same SIM card. It just makes sense to be this way. I myself have to use up to 5 cards and growing. Ultimately, virtual SIM cards would also enable purchasing cards from the internet and also cheapest route selection, things like this..

point made.
you have a point.
i forgot about the network not allowing you to have two at the same time.
but yeah then again, it shouldn't be much of a problem i think. 5 cards is alot.
but you're right if such a program where made, it would open the market so mucho more and one could actually buy online sim card info. and if this program where made, one could save the info to the phone then back it up to a computer (where it's safe, most of the time atleast) and maybe the same program could write back to a sim card thats not activated (for purposes just as loosing a sim card, but not the info.) now there's an idea for ya.
would be super nice!
too bad i have no clue on how to program such things, but ideas i have
if anyone takes the challenge to create it, if at all possible i would gladly donate since i would use it surely.

Possible, but..
It's possible if you have the Ki and IMSI values from your SIM. The IMSI is easy, but cracking the Ki is only possible in old SIM cards, using COMP128-1 encryption.
All the SIM cloning tools on eBay can clone only these old cards.

A virtual sim card is a really cool idea. No more swapping sim cards between you primairy phone and your backup phone... (I only have only one sim)

kolomparrudi said:
It's possible if you have the Ki and IMSI values from your SIM. The IMSI is easy, but cracking the Ki is only possible in old SIM cards, using COMP128-1 encryption.
All the SIM cloning tools on eBay can clone only these old cards.
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IMSI can be be read with an nokia e51 using the blackberry connect softwre. you can see the imsi value in the programe info where you must enter to view you PIN.

emilgaig said:
IMSI can be be read with an nokia e51 using the blackberry connect softwre. you can see the imsi value in the programe info where you must enter to view you PIN.
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No they give you the IMEI number not the IMSI.
The problem you would have is that sooner or later the networks would block your phone because they will see the fact that your phone is running 4-5 mobile numbers with ONE IMEI no. Ebay is littered with Cheap dual active SIM phones. They only have one IMEI and sooner or later the network(s) will switch off your phone.
The way round this is to have 2 IMEI numbers to run 2 sim cards at the same time...abit like the Samsung D880. This basically means you have 2 phones with 1 screen and 1 keypad...i have one and i know these work great!!.
Regards
Wasim

The will not block you for changin sims, right?
And also GSM won't allow you to register simulteniously two sims, only one at a time...
Cos TD has only ONE GSM inside, not two as Samsung DuoS

What the progress of the topic, people?

I certainly hope this is not possible. I wouldn't want to know anyone can copy and use my simcard. That would be an unacceptable breach of security for any mobile phone user.

This might be a good breach, and it exists, just need a tool to use it with windows mobile! I can even now COPY MY SIM to another sim, yes - it's need a liitle crack with it, but card itself intact, and i can have a copy
So - What are solutions now for windows mobile?

i really like to know if it is possible. but i dont think an emulator is a must because in ppc we can easly turn off the cellular connection and turn it on again. that way (if you've used old 3in1 sim cards, you'd know) you can change the operator. every time you restarted the gsm connection, your operator will change.
and what about connecting to more-than-one operator at the same time?
cheers

and what about connecting to more-than-one operator at the same time?
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that function is not possible (c) Thor, Stargate SG-1

pedmond said:
I certainly hope this is not possible. I wouldn't want to know anyone can copy and use my simcard. That would be an unacceptable breach of security for any mobile phone user.
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I am in Saudi & have 3 sim cards(STC) with the same number. One in my laptop, One in my Samsung, one in my Diamond. All work for internet at the same time to use for phone I activate by *123$ (this is then primary card for incoming & texts). When in Spain I have 2 cards(Movistar) both of these work & ring at the same time, but text messages only goes to one of them.

Virtual Sim Card
hello ladies and gentleman this is a very good idea i was thinking about the same idea today... In the virtual sim card there should be a tracking device installed in the phone so that when it is stolen you can track down the phone or the company can switch of the phone and it will have no use and all your data is safe... I am all the way in africa Botswana and my name is delmar dube i am willing to do more research on this because i want to see it come true

I would be surprised if this was possible... the GSM chipset firmware is pretty much sealed off from a phone's operating system except for the AT command interface. Otherwise people would be able to fiddle with transmit power which would invalidate the phone's FCC/etc certifications.

Any progress??
Heyy like most on this forum thread I just thought of this last night, I have an unlimited plan with Wind Mobile (who's coverage is um.... not great) with Unlimited internet and talking and texting for $29/mo. Unfortunately I spend the majority of my time outside their current coverage area, and would like to get one of Telus' "One Number Unlimited" voice plan ($7/mo) for when I'm outside of Wind's area but still want to call my girlfriend. Virutal Switchable SIM cards would be a great solution since my phone doesn't exactly like to co-operate with me when I try to turn it on after having the battery removed to get access to the SIM slot. Plus I don't want to be carrying around a little tiny piece of plastic that'll give me chaos if I ever lost it.
Anyways I'm running a Samsung Galaxy Exhibit 4g (4g is the name of the phone, it's just LTE of 3G though), It's running ICS 4.*something.
Oh yeah, sorry for being a grave-digger

I love this idea. I mean apple now has patents for virtual simcards, I really hope the android market follows suit. I have 6 sim cards and counting (Afghanistan, Switzerland, United States, Korea, Philippines, and UAE), and would love to be able to purchase and activate my "virtual sim card" off of say the Google Play Store, prior to flying into a country.
I wouldn't mind some kind of DRM or whatnot, just being able to buy service before I go into country, and then have calling and data capabilities as soon as I walk off the plane would be worth it.

I have a korean Galaxy S2, which has the sim tray damaged, being impossible to connect any SIM card.
If I could use virtually my SIM card, I coud use this phone.
Is this possible??
I just wanted to use one SIM card just for phone calls, dont even need services like internet...

SIM Card Copy

Is it possible to copy the entire SIM card on the Tilt and have it put onto a new SIM card and possible have 2 phones ? The only posts I've seen is copying contacts.

depends on what the sim is i.e. provider but basically your number would be blocked by the network immediately as it will detect two sims using the same number, so the answer is no. Unless you switch one phone off while using the other one, but that defeats the object really

Thanks was just wondering if it was possible. I'm looking into the HTC Touch HD and was wondering if you can copy the entire sim incase my sim doesn't fit. ( which I don't think I'll have an issue )
Thanks