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From Dale Coffing (mobilePASSION):
"I have been running Windows Mobile 5 as a development platform on a BlueAngel device (the MDA3) so it kind of spoiling me to not have some of the advanced features on the i730.
-Dale Coffing"
http://dalecoffing.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/06/first_look_sams.html
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What these companies are doing is DIRTY.
They clearly have the potential to release the new OS for almost ALL modern pocket PCs, but since they don't see any profit in it, they will never release it.
I could accept this, IF they stopped dangling the OS on Blue Angels for all of us to see.
wm5
after you make us so hungry for this wm5 on ba could you help us to get it
why all the secret
What about a petition that we ARE even willing to pay for an BA WM5 upgrade?...
They can't charge enough for a WM2005 upgrade that would be better for them than forcing us to buy new phones.
They won't do it.
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
So would I actually, but it doesn't compare to the $1000 dollars they will likely get from us all techno-nuts who very well may indeed upgrade.
im emaling him for the rom
He obviously won't give it out readily. Microsoft entrusted it to him. Anyone on their A-list would be stupid to do anything to break that trust.
im desperate
maybe someone can dump the rom without his knowledge using the sd card rom dumper... that wod be cool..and he wont be breaking any VOWS to microsoft either....
Maybe he could "accedentally" get hacked. :twisted:
Hope for the best, expect the worse
KTamas said:
What about a petition that we ARE even willing to pay for an BA WM5 upgrade?...
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I have an Ipaq 5550. The same happened with HP when wm2k3SE came out. Petitions, news coverage and all. HP prefered the short term view of selling more devices rather than cultivating customer loyalty.
That was my first and last Ipaq. I have Himalaya and BA now...
Just think of the risk/benefit ratio for MS...
We know that ASA official wm2k5 would be released for BA & Himalaya , it would be made largely available by third party means...
I'm not bringing "morality" issues in the plate here. I just say that business-wise, the effort to put that in place compared to the benefits is pretty low... Especially if you compare that to the benefits of a "no-release" scenario: you will ALWAYS end-up paying for the license when you feel BA/Himalaya and all the rest becomes obsolete and you will replace your HW. 3G is not so far away, is it? 3G + BT + 802.11A/G is not so far away either...
Nobody likes it. I don't like it. But in the end, that's the most likely.
As they say: hope for the best, expect the worse!
My 2 "unfortunate" cents,
Hal.
PS: That's why Buzz, toenailed, TheLastOne, XDAjojo, MDAIIIUser and all others efforts as so invaluable!!! Keep the good work: you know how much it is being appreciated by the rest of us.
zohaer21 said:
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
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you are bonkers...........
TheLastOne said:
So would I actually.
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and so are you.......... i would never pay for WM2005, as good as it looks, if/when it comes out, ill just get it for free @ XDAdevelopers, lol
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how would you do that?? unless its released for BA and jam and xda2i ..you cant just make it work on other devices.. take example from the himalaya rom we have unless you have himalaya you cant use it..
thus.. if its never ever released for other htc models you can NEVER EVER get it for other devices... reason being a simple one.. different hardware,different memory allocation and management and different bootloaders etc..
if you dont believe me just try flashing your device with the win2k5 rom and end up with a very expensive paperweight ...
Honestly, I have no problem supporting and paying for proper service and upgrades. As well as the work Microsoft put into the development of the new OS, which from what I've heard, is a significant positive step.
I guess part of the reason that they aren't releasing it, even at cost, is exactly in response to people like you, joey jojo, who would just pirate it instead of paying. The way I figure it, alot of people with these expensive fancy devices know their way around technology, and a significant part will know how to get WM2005 for free, avoiding the costs.
Providing an OS upgrade for these devices at a cost would never work. These companies aren't exactly stupid.
I think it isn't meant to be released at all yet, really.
I think the "release" was to developers first, and soon enough you will see a hoarde of new devices, as well as a new ROM for ours.
Here's another proof, by the way:
http://blogs.technet.com/exchange/archive/2005/06/06/405993.aspx
The head of the MS Exchange team uses a Blue Angel...with Exchange SP2. To get full functionality, I guarantee he is running SP2.
They aren't using the BA as a development platform only to dump it. They are just waiting til key things (like Exchange SP2) come into place.
joey jojo said:
zohaer21 said:
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
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you are bonkers...........
TheLastOne said:
So would I actually.
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and so are you.......... i would never pay for WM2005, as good as it looks, if/when it comes out, ill just get it for free @ XDAdevelopers, lol
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All of you crazy. WM5 is code for wiping virtual asses...
I promote sub_rosa25's post to the "post of the year" award.
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I've been watching with mild interest as the ROMs fly, but what would really get me off would be a nifty ROM that took all the latest perks developers are fiddling with and laid them over WM 2003SE Phone Edition instead of WM5. Now that would be something. A lot of the very best software and hardware (SD/IO devices, for example) is still not available for WM5, which is also quite limiting in other respects that I just can't get my mind around the reason why so many are getting on the WM5 consumerist bandwagon.
I've put forward some considered arguments against WM5 elsewhere which no one to date has attempted to challenge, so I'm going to have to assume that I was right on all counts.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=47636&start=25
To be proven wrong is never an unwelcome occurrence for me, so I hope no one is trying to spare me the rod, as it were. No, it must be that I hit on something that others hadn't considered before. Or is it just that the holders forth on the would-be merits of WM5 have not been very eloquent up to now? "It's new!" "It looks better!" "It's just better..." are the frustrated yet not untypical responses I've been reading to queries from other potential "upgraders".
What WM2K3SE needs is a new name, one without a number. And what some of us Blue Angel devotees need is a perky ROM or two backed with it. My ROMcraft is not really up to snuff yet, but if I have to do it myself I suppose in the end I'm willing to spend a lot of my free time over the course of the coming *several months* or so to acquire the needed know-how. Even so, I wish someone else would beat me to that high honor.
WM2K3SE does have its warts, and WM5 is still in the running, but in the balance isn't the new being grossly overrated at the expense of the better?
Depending upon which version of the BA you've got...
you might want to check out the SX66 Standardization Project
http://home.comcast.net/~sx66-blueangel/
Yeah, thanks for the tip, but I've got an O2 Xda IIs.
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Yeah, thanks for the tip, but I've got an O2 Xda IIs.
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all Blue Angel makes
I use Mail2web for exchange and it is the worst experience, so I was thinking of paying the $100 and moving to mobileme from mac.
Does anyone have it working as a push service on the Diamond?
I think that it is very tricky to use it as your own domain for now, though some workarounds exists.
Conceptually, if it can run with outlook, it should run with PPC no??
IE activestink can do it?
FOr only mail, i would suggest hook up a gmail account to it ...
I use gmail for all my mails, even exchange forwards them there, and gmail takes the mail from my own server once in a few minutes.
I use Sherweb for hosted exchange. They also provide me with a free Sharepoint site, Outlook web access, access to the server via desktop outlook and a licence for outlook 2007 and entourage.
All for $8 a month - no contract. I can cancel any time.
Remember, Mobileme is an apple product - meaning limitations ahoy-hoy.
No synching of tasks I think..
Thats a bit weird, you have a Diamond, and you want to use the competitors email service that replicates what Exchange has been doing excellently for years. Sherweb is cheaper than MobileMe by a few quid a year, and will actually work with your phone, unlike MobileMe.
What are you nuts
ljames28 said:
Thats a bit weird, you have a Diamond, and you want to use the competitors email service that replicates what Exchange has been doing excellently for years. Sherweb is cheaper than MobileMe by a few quid a year, and will actually work with your phone, unlike MobileMe.
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What are you wearing Microsoft team colors???
I think mobile will offer 10x more than these crappy hosted exchanges we suffer with. Just want it to work first that's all.
MS Active Sync is the pinnacle of crap MS development.
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What are you wearing Microsoft team colors???
I think mobile will offer 10x more than these crappy hosted exchanges we suffer with. Just want it to work first that's all.
MS Active Sync is the pinnacle of crap MS development.
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Whats wrong with exchange though? Mail2web is free isn't it? Maybe thats why youve had a poor experience
I use SherWeb and i'm really enthusiastic about it because it works really well. For £50 a year I have tasks, mail, contacts and calendar pushed to my main computer, laptop and both phones. MobileMe will do that, but without the phones and without the tasks, so it seems odd you would want it.
mikeycollins13 said:
What are you wearing Microsoft team colors???
I think mobile will offer 10x more than these crappy hosted exchanges we suffer with. Just want it to work first that's all.
MS Active Sync is the pinnacle of crap MS development.
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You have to be kidding me!!!
Mobile Me is going to be restrictive and crap, as like all things Apple.
ActiveSync and Exchange work damn well.
That made me laugh too - If EAS is so crap, then why is one of the main features of the new Iphone 2.0 is that it fully supports EAS?
Makes me wonder why you got something like a diamond and didnt go the complete Apple route if its so wonderful
So you guys like active sync?
Active Sync??? is good? The P.O.S. software ever written! Nothing but bugs 5 years after release.
Do you any of you have a good active sync experiences??? (Exchange is fine, I agree)
Hint: Search the forums for problems activesync, across this entire site.
The main benefit on using an apple service like mobileme over your average hosted exchange, is the ease with which you can get back your details if you lose or forget them. So easy that in fact anyone can get their details. Or yours.
But if all you're doing is mail, yeah go with Googlemail.
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The main benefit on using an apple service like mobileme over your average hosted exchange, is the ease with which you can get back your details if you lose or forget them. So easy that in fact anyone can get their details. Or yours.
But if all you're doing is mail, yeah go with Googlemail.
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LOL
but on a serious note, exchange is pretty easy to retrieve lost data too. You can even remote wipe any devices that may have got stolen.
mikeycollins13 said:
Active Sync??? is good? The P.O.S. software ever written! Nothing but bugs 5 years after release.
Do you any of you have a good active sync experiences??? (Exchange is fine, I agree)
Hint: Search the forums for problems activesync, across this entire site.
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Er.. im talking about activesync for EXCHANGE.. not that USB based crap.
So in terms of over the air syncing.. Activesync > Mobileme
In light of recent events.. thread bumped for humour!
Microsoft and HTC both agree on XDA-Developers "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em
According to tweakers.net (dutch), a very popular and more important, trustworthy Dutch IT website.http://forum.xda-developers.com/
XDA-Developers breaches intellectual property laws regarding ROM Cooking.
However Microsoft and HTC both agree "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em."
Microsoft will not send take down orders to sites such as XDA-Developers, who offer customized ROMs for windows-mobile telephone.
Some sites offering ROMs based on Windows Mobile 6.5 got take down orders last week. They, However, appeared to be hoax.
“Taking action against sites such as XDA-Developers isn’t a matter of concern for Microsoft” says Maarten Sonneveld of Microsoft Netherlands against tweakers.net. “What happens there, the modifying of ROMs, is illegal. The intellectual property however is not with us. The ROMs are intellectual property of the producers of the phone or the mobile phone providers if it concerns branded telephones. We simple only deliver the OS.”
The biggest producer of Windows Mobile-phones, HTC, also says they don’t have any plans to take action against ROM sites. “What happens there isn’t allowed” says HTC Benelux-CEO Mark Moons,
“But XDA-Developers is the biggest and most active community of Windows Mobile-developers. We can’t live with ‘em and we can’t live without ‘em.”
Last week it seemed there were to come an end to tolerating Windows Mobile-communities.
A certain ‘James Young’ sent emails on behalf of Microsoft to site managers in which he stated that they were sharing illegal content, and summoned them to stop their practices; some site managers, in fact, did this.
It mostly concerned ROMs with betas of Windows Mobile 6.5, the update of Microsoft’s Mobile OS that should appear this summer
Haha nice one
Nice, but doesn't come much as a surprise. This community is the only reason Windows Mobile is still competitive. And Microsoft knows it. Besides that, why should they bother? Other than on the desktop PC, the phone hardware is quite limited without proper drivers WM won't run on phones which weren't supposed to run it in the first place. So Microsoft sold their license, HTC (or any other manufacturer) bought it and end of story. They have absolutly no disadvantage when ppl start cooking ROMs - in the contrary. I can't even begin to image using my X1 or any other WM-phone without the customization options presented here. Without them, I wouldn't have bought another WM-phone and become a WM-fan ... ;-)
Read this on tweakers.net yesterday, don't know if we should be happy about this statement.
But it seems xda-developers is going to be watched carefully by MS and HTC, probably has been already.
Until the take serious actions against this community I'm going to flash my X1 with Touch-IT ROMs as many as possible
I would say Microsoft and HTC is the winners here. The ROM cooking means more people is attracted to the platform and for me the reason I bough the X1 was this community.
Rather than moaning, HTC and Microsoft should make donations to XDADevs because this community is one of the main reasons why both of them rose to unforeseen heights.
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Rather than moaning, HTC and Microsoft should make donations to XDADevs because this community is one of the main reasons why both of them rose to unforeseen heights.
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E90 Commie said:
I would say Microsoft and HTC is the winners here. The ROM cooking means more people is attracted to the platform and for me the reason I bough the X1 was this community.
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i bought my htc wizard and SE x1 because of xda-developers.if they shut rom sites down i ll never buy windows mobile device that's for sure.my phone is my home so i ll decide how will i decorate my home not microsoft.cheers
Yeah i've read that also (im dutch and visit that site 3 times a day or so )
I think that htc says "MAKE NICE ROMS XDA, or else we will.....)
I'll add my 2 pennies worth...
I'm not a cook, though I sorely wish I were! However, thanks to XDA developers, I've had WM phones for the past 5 years, up until Blue Angel I *only* would have Nokia phones, but I was given the Blue Angel as a present and hated it. I then accidentally found XDA when I was going to sell the Blue Angel and was looking for a way to unlock the sim. Figuring I had nothing to lose as I hated the phone anyway, I put a new rom on and fell in love! Since then, I've had every HTC phone and just recently went to the Xperia *ONLY* because of this website. If XDA wasn't here, I would have gotten the N96 or a Blackberry.
So, for what it is worth MS and HTC if you're reading... Leave XDA alone, support it where you can, and be happy for the generosity of this community for making the product you produce better and more usable!
the only reason I got rid of my Omina and went back to a HTC made pda was because of the support and options that I can find here, good move from microsoft however I suspect microsoft as always turned a blind eye to a degree (remember the fpt problems?)
Cool. This is a pretty big community of developers.
James Joung lives here in my neighbourhood
Now I understand why he has spent the whole week laughing
Well,
if it wern't for XDA developers, when I got my Orange c500 (Back in the day) that would have been the last WM phone I bought.
Since then ive had:
Orange c550
Orance c600
MDA Vario
HTC TYTN
HTC Touch Diamond
Sony Xperia X1
goes to show the value of XDA... if anything, I think Microsoft, HTC etc should jump on the band wagon and help chefs get the best out of WM, or at least, some kind of formal agreement should be attained to help protect the community
can't live without them(xda),hehe.. htc and microsoft should donate to support xda !
gtrab said:
James Joung lives here in my neighbourhood
Now I understand why he has spent the whole week laughing
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Maybe he was laughing because his CEO, told him that if he will try to touch this site, he will have to fill up for unemployment... This site have 41,159 members (ONLY ) and allmost all of us, we own between 2-4 HTC pda phones. If HTC will loose us, I guess that they will show the middle finger to Microsoft and they will stick with Android from the time on...
To be honest in that perverse way MS has BENEFITTED from 'Piracy' etc. throughout their history. Take Office for example - way back in the day Lotus and Wordperfect were the dominant market forces. MS were trying to force their way into the market wth their Office products. In the end they blew away the competition - how? Because their media had no copy protection - thus Office Workers ended up getting copies from work to put on their home PCs to carry on extra work at home. The others had copy protection.
MS turned a blind eye to this because they knew that the more people had Office, the more they would want it in their workplace - so much so that in the end how many companies use those products anymore? Now that they are the dominant force, Piracy is an issue.
It is the same with sites like XDA-Devs. The mobile phone market is huge and will get bigger even in these times. WinMo is still a small part of that market - Nokia and Symbian undoubtably have an edge here. However people are becoming more savvy about mobiles and want more from them which is where MS, RIM, and Apple come in (with an improving Symbian).
However if all the consumers had to rely on was 'Stock' ROMs and buggy WinMo (esp. when consumers will compare it to the iPhone etc.) then WinMo would have nowehere near the amount of consumers, and would die a slow death. However thanks to XDA-Devs (and sites like these) we can buy these phones confident that some super talented Cook will provide us with a ROM that will get us the full experience of these devices. Hence we will then buy the next generation, then the next etc.
MS and HTC know this - hence why they can't 'live without 'em'. No point cutting off your nose to spite your face eh?....
@itje
after reading the good news.. please bring back your Touch-IT WM 6.5 project rom.. hehe =)
damskie said:
@itje
after reading the good news.. please bring back your Touch-IT WM 6.5 project rom.. hehe =)
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He just did, and posted the new ROM for download.
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Saw this on my yahoo home page. Thought I'd pass it along. This means the genius cooks here on XDA should have something official to tear up and improve!
Windows Mobile 6.5 "Launching" May 11th?
Here's a mystery for you. In a blog post dated April 6th on Microsoft's developer site, Microsoft says there's going to be a "kick-off launch presentation of Windows Mobile 6.5 on Monday, May 11th at 1:00 pm - 2:15 pm." This notice went unnoticed until today, when Engadget and Electronista picked it up, reporting it as fresh news. (It's fresh news as in, we all missed it, but it isn't fresh as in, the post seems to be two weeks old.) The launch will be part of Microsoft's TechEd 2009 conference in Los Angeles.
When I called Microsoft PR, though, they weren't quite sure what this presentation was. After all, Windows Mobile 6.5 was announced in February, and the PR guy I spoke to said that consumer availability would not be announced on May 11th. Anyway, consumer availability is up to Microsoft's device and carrier partners, not Microsoft itself.
Here's Microsoft's official statement on the event: "We're excited about TechEd as an opportunity to talk to business customers and developers about the software for the next generation of Windows phones. There will be several sessions we think will help people learn more to get their planning ideas started about the new phones coming to market in the 2H of 2009."
My best guess is that the May 11th event is the launch of the final Windows Mobile 6.5 SDK, so developers can write programs tailored to the new OS release. TechEd is a developers' conference, the SDK hasn't come out yet, and we're getting within a few months of launch. Microsoft is going to want at least a few 6.5-compatible apps in that Windows Mobile Marketplace.
WM 6.5 Already Leaked!
I havent been keeping up on the forums again until yesterday, and i too was excited to hear about WM 6.5...and to my suprise (well i guess i should have expected it) WM 6.5 has already leaked and some of our favorite cooks have already torn a tiny bit into it (cough cough ivanmmj ;D awesome ROM as always!) Just to give everyone who hasent already gotten JustcHome on their old Wing a heads up!