Related
We have some ppl here who can cook up roms like crazy, so I thought I would ask here. I have been wanting a PLAIN windows CE (preferably 6.0) rom for my wizard. Plain CE runs a lot faster, and is a lot more usefull then wm ever will be. From what I can tell with all my studying, Ce should work with all of the wm5 drivers, and the only part that ppl are unsure of is the phone stack. CE 6 has the phone stack built in, and that should solve that problem.
CE would give the phone a more "windows" look, with a more useful desktop and start menu. Please let me know if anyone here thinks they would like to give it a try.
sounds cool to me
first of all, windows ce 6 is the upcoming photon, that isn't due to be released until early 2008. WM5 is wince 5. crossbow will probably be wince 5.2.
Secondly, I doubt that what you're asking for is even possible. The way I understand it is that wince is the kernel, the core, that windows mobile is running. You can not have the one without the other...
Yes... Yes... Yes... and no....
Many hundreds of devices run CE alone. I am very familliar with the different versions of CE. WM5 is currently CE 5.1. I understand that CE6 would be a step up, but CE6 could possibly be easier seeing as the phone stack is built in. CE5 (or 5.1) could probably function with the phone stack ripped from wm5. As for your last comment, WinCE is the operating system, while Pocket PC (or WM) is the shell that is chosen. It adds a today screen, start bar (if you can call it that) and a few addons that add bulk and slow down the device. They are used to make the devices look a little more user friendly at the cost of speed. Many devices come with CE that is packaged with a standard CE shell instead of a Pocket PC shell.
http://www.gizmondoforums.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3571
That page has a picture of a device running just plain CE with a standard CE shell (minus the menubar and the window, that was done with a desktop screenshot manager, so the actual thing wont have those)
The gizmondo was always designed as a CE device.
Windows Mobile is Windows Mobile, based on the WinCE, but not just hiding WinCE. Windows Mobile is a superset of WinCE. Certainl devices that don't need the Windows Mobile interface etc can run on pure WinCE, and certainly do. But preparing a new kernel/gwes is more then just flicking a switch and reverting back to the WinCE desktop shell. You need Platform Builder and a full BSP to make a custom image.
V
Interesting discussion. It would be good if there is a quick way of getting a pure CE performance at a flick of a button.
So, WM5 is like WinXP, which does not just hide the DOS like Win95 did.
Darkrift said:
We have some ppl here who can cook up roms like crazy, so I thought I would ask here. I have been wanting a PLAIN windows CE (preferably 6.0) rom for my wizard. Plain CE runs a lot faster, and is a lot more usefull then wm ever will be. From what I can tell with all my studying, Ce should work with all of the wm5 drivers, and the only part that ppl are unsure of is the phone stack. CE 6 has the phone stack built in, and that should solve that problem.
CE would give the phone a more "windows" look, with a more useful desktop and start menu. Please let me know if anyone here thinks they would like to give it a try.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
did you read on the WIKI for instructions on cooking one's own ROM?
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 Test Kit
available for download :
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...bcbe-9fff174acaf5&displaylang=en#Requirements
Actually, no... windows mobile is more like windows 95. The operating system is CE, and the "extended GUI" (plus some apps and settings) are PPC. Windows XP is the operating system, and does not run on DOS, but it comes with a "DOS" addon (not really dos, just a way for oldschool ppl to cope with the change). I have personally worked with some ppl that are able get plain CE running by tweaking with dll's and other **** in the rom, but the problem is, this is more tweaking and less cooking. I know CE can run on these devices without windows mobile (well, the phone part MIGHT cause a roadblock) but im asking the cookers if there is a way they can create a TAILORED way of doing it other then overwriting system files (tested that on my axim, and was a long painfull process that barely produced results).
I must admit that I'm intrigued... I wouldn't mind trying this out if it ever became available.
If you are a true power user, you would love a plain CE device. Just as an example, a friend of mine did some dll editing for my axim and made it so i could run the CE version of word instead of the pocket version, and there was an immence different. Also, on CE, the windows are draggable like on XP. Folders work properly like they should. Seeing how CE uses less resources, its amazing how much more it can do. PPC is for the person who wants simplicity and easy to use PIM. Ce is for the person who wants a small computer that can do just about anything that a full sized computer can do. I know this task wont be easy, and thats why I am not trying it myself. I just figured that someone here with tons of experience would be up to the challenge of taking a CE image file (they can be found all over, including ms.com's site) and trying to build a working rom for the Wizard out of it.
yeah i'm intrigued too.. i'm all for this. would love CE on my qtek 9000.
and why?
it would finally give me true real native VGA... with good icons and native support...
IE6.0... good GUI and a lot more cool stuff.
i'm just spoiled i guess...
Windows Mobile CE 6
is there anywhere where u can evaluate the Windows Mobile 6 Software? i heard you can get it from the Microsoft Website.. anyinfo would be appreceiated.
i think wce 6 need for all!
i hope u creat it?
thanhk for support!
sorry i'm vietnames!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...47-6e06-4a0c-8cac-ca7d4c09cb56&DisplayLang=en
This is the only thing you can get so far! Check it out
Please keep in mind that this is for Windows CE 6.0.
Windows Mobile 6 != Windows CE 6.0
is this for the wizard? kinda looks like its a big file for a Mobile Device
no, this is NOT for a wizard, and no, its NOT windows mobile. IT is CE 6 and it is very different. Running it on a wizard would be nice, but wont be easy. I already started a thread on here asking someone to play with the idea of building a CE (5 or 6) rom for the wizard, but didnt get much positive responses. CE is the base operating system and Windows Mobile is the shell (outer face that you see).
looks like this request bit the big one.... i take it its safe to assume that nobody here is up to the challenge (why is it that ppl will try to get linux running on a wizard, but not windows ce, which is just the same operating system without all the pretty junk?)
Now that we have a WM6 Rom avaliable for the Wizard, does anyone know how to extract certain programs and replace them in the WM5 Roms??
Particularly the Email client and Remote Desktop
Now you may ask why the he!! don't you just use the WM6 Rom?
Because I am in a corporate environment where I use the program provided by the company to both sync and access my information (Lotus Notes) Intellisync and OneBridge and neither of those have support for the yet to be "Officially Released" WM6
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Well, bad and good news for you. First of all, what you are asking probably will not work. Good news is, you DONT NEED SUPPORT!~!! WM6 is STILL CE5, its just a minor upgrade (like windows 98 to windows98se). So.... most likely your programs will function perfectly. It is very rare when a wm5 program does not function in wm6 and useually those are system tweaking programs. I would make a complete backup of your device and try wm6.... you might be pleasantly surprised.
But moving apps from Crossbow/WinMob 6/5.2 to WinMob 5 isn't as easy and depends on how they were compiled. Most MS stuff won't work without modification I think.
V
Hi,
I'm working on a networking project. Im using the following device:
Platform: HTC TyTN II Kaiser
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1
I have a C++ programme that runs on linux in my computer. How can I run the same in this mobile device?
Many thanks
*Thread moved*
You need to use MS Visual Studio 2005 (or 2008) to compile the C++ program.
Or embedded visual C++.
A list of dev tools for PPC is on the wiki : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Complete list of Development links and resources
Thanks
Dave
DaveShaw said:
*Thread moved*
You need to use MS Visual Studio 2005 (or 2008) to compile the C++ program.
Or embedded visual C++.
A list of dev tools for PPC is on the wiki : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Complete%20list%20of%20Development%20links%20and%20resources
Thanks
Dave
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Throwing in my 2 cents in. Save yourself the trouble and don't even consider Embedded Visual C++ (4). Stick VS 2005+ and you'll be good.
The free express versions do not support mobile development.
nitro2u said:
Hi Peter,
Can I please know how to use Visual Studio to run C++ code on a Windows mobile device?
Is there a special version of VS that i need to look for?
Please kindly drop me a reply to:
thanks a lot
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is what you need to know. There are SDKs for Pocket PCs that are built into Visual Studio. The default ones are adequate. Typically, you'll connect to a PDA/PocketPC via ActiveSync. Visual Studio will pick up on this. There are specific mobile properties and options for this.
From that point, it's point and shoot. When you debug an application, it will automatically go over to the Windows CE device. If you're doing .Net it will install a cab for .Net
Thanks again Peter for your reply.
Even though my project is to programme for this HTC device I don't have the device yet. So what I need to do is test it on my laptop.
Is there any Windows Mobile 'simulator' that I can run on my computer and test?
Also I will need to install Visual Studio on this simulator, is it?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...52-f89e-4354-84ce-5d19c204498a&displaylang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&displaylang=en
Hi Peter,
Please take a look at the above links. Are these any of the ones I should use?
Thanks
You want to get a copy of Visual Studio 2005 or 2008 if you are serious about programming - I got it from my university and the MSDNAA Website which allows students to download selected MS software which is related to my course for free - and being a computer science student they give me VS 08.
But it is available on several torrent websites. Remember I am not recommending nor do I condone illegal downloading of pirated software - I am only providing information for research purposes.
Why do you want it?
Its a complete developement environment - You get everything - Including an emulator to test your programs. You can download plugins, which let you program in other languages (e.g. I have the VB Mobile plugin which allows me to program in VB for mobile devices) - The plugins are free.
Personally, I use it for a large chunk of my programming - as it supports a vast array of programming languages - and it includes built in compilers (I know this sounds obvious, but I have used programming environments which do not contain compilers), Emulators (for testing) and can support alot more with downloadable plugins (obviously you need the SDK).
If your PC is a little old (eg early XP) - get VS05 - but if you have a newer PC (late XP to Vista), get VS08, they both do basically the same thing.
Hope this helps.
Hi again,
Many thanks for your reply
Will this version of VS work for my project? :
Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition (90-day Trial)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ec-ed72-4a79-8961-25635db0192b&displaylang=en
If it does... then i will install it first in my laptop (which run Win XP Pro) and then I will install the emulator.
This is the emulator right?
Windows Mobile 6 Professional and Standard Software Development Kits Refresh
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&displaylang=en
Looking forward for your support thanks
Quick Details
Version: 6.5
Date Published: 6/3/2009
Language: English
Download Size: 71.4 MB - 1848.3 MB*
*Download size depends on selected download components.
Overview
The Windows Mobile 6.5 Developer Tool Kit adds documentation, sample code, header and library files, emulator images and tools to Visual Studio that let you build applications for Windows Mobile 6.5. This document contains important information about this package. For general information about writing software for Windows Mobile, please see the Windows Mobile Developer Center. The Windows Mobile 6 SDK must also be installed in order to use any of the Windows Mobile 6.5 Gesture API or samples. Windows Mobile 6.5 Developer Tool Kit comes with the following Emulator Images:
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional Square Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional QVGA Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional WQVGA Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional VGA Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional WVGA Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Standard Square Emulator
Windows Mobile 6.5 Standard QVGA Emulator
Available locales:
0804 CHS Chinese Simplified
0409 USA English
0407 GER German
040c FRA French
0410 ITA Italian
0c0a ESN Spanish
A new set of APIs is being introduced that will enable application developers to take advantage of the new Windows Mobile 6.5 touch gesture framework. The gesture APIs allow an application to handle touch gesture input and provide a visually consistent experience with the rest of the device UI. Note that the gesture APIs are only available on the Windows Mobile Classic and Professional SKUs. The headers and libraries are installed in the Windows Mobile SDK\Pocket PC\ folder. Samples that make use of these APIs are installed into the Windows Mobile 6.5 Developer Tool Kit\Samples\ folder.
downlinks:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=20686a1d-97a8-4f80-bc6a-ae010e085a6e
core is 21234
MOD EDIT HDuser
acubens was kind enough to post this information on 04/06/09 at 7:38
I removed his thread as this thread had more content in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3894057#post3894057
End MOD Edit
Awesome thanks for sharing... I didn't know this was available yet!
Just saw this now on the MS website.
Did a search here to see if anybody had posted it yet, beat me to it
and yes, this is what every one was waiting for.
thanks alot mate.
Excellent mate, was looking for this!!
Great, thanks for that
I still think MS are missing out on a lot of development by not supporting the Express editions of Visual Studio... I for one fancy 'having a go' but I don't have the higher version of VS
Thank for share this information, I was looking for it!
Thanks!
is possible win mobile on htc tattoo?
tanks
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583920
Still trying to find a method to root the device, then WM is pretty much further (and uninteresting sincerely). Buying a Tattoo for WM is a really bad idea, I don't even know if the processor can support WM
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
Coburn64 said:
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A little history from wiki..
Released in 16 November 1996 Codename "Alder".
Devices named "handheld PC" (HPC).
2.0 Released in September 1997 Codename "Birch".
Devices named "Palm-sized PC".
Real-time deterministic task scheduling.
Architectures: ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, StrongARM, SuperH and x86.
32-bit color screens.
SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0.
3.0Released in June 2000 [MSCE3].Codename "Cedar".
Major recode that made CE hard real time down to the microsecond level.
Base for the Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Smartphone 2002.
Priority levels was increased from 8 to 256.
Object store was increased from 65 536 to 4,19 million allowed objects.
Restricted access to critical APIs or restricting write access to parts of the registry.
4.x Released in January 2002 [MSCE4].Codename "Talisker/Jameson/McKendric".
Driver structure changed greatly, new features added.
Base for "Pocket PC 2003".
Bluetooth support.
TLS (SSL 3.1), IPsec L2TP VPN, or Kerberos.
5.0 Released in August 2004.Adds lots of features. Codename "Macallan".
Automatic report of bugs to the manufacturer.
Direct3D Mobile, a COM-based version of Windows XP's DirectX multimedia API.
DirectDraw for 2D graphics and DirectShow for camera and video digitisation support.
Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) support.
6.x Released in September 2006. Codename "Yamazaki".
Process address space is increased from 32 MB to 1 GB.
Number of processes has been increased from 32 to 32 768.
User mode and kernel mode device drivers are possible.
512MB physically managed memory
Device.exe, filesys.exe, GWES.exe has been moved to Kernel mode.
SetKMode and set process permissions not possible.
System call performance improved.
Theres no doubt Windows can do more than Android can in certain areas that really make a device useful. Windows Mobile= Mini PC w/phone capabilities, and Android= Modern Smart phone/w PC like functionality. It's all up to what you want in a phone..but if you gave me a Mini PC Phone..all in one word..that will be winner.
Cant understand WHY anyone wants WM ??? Its **** compare to Android in my world
OK, Could be nice with update for android to 2.x but windows mobile = hell no....
WM Shouldn't be a priority - Let's root and update
I have owned several WM devices, and Android is way superior than WM. Why would you buy a tattoo and then convert it? You should have bought a WM device if you want WM. Anyway, we should first be able to root the device, and update to 2.1.
Let us get our priorities right people!
besides being free source and visually more appealing i fail to see where exactly does android out do windows mobile???? Functionality ways according to me nothing beats windows mobile. I upgraded to the hero just to try something different, just to see what android is like..and in no way is it better than windows mobile....if ur talking about sense ui, facebook integration, and all the million other widgets that make your experience a great one.....that isn't the android OS per se...theyre just add ons. any way SPB mobile 3.5 is still better than the sense ui that we get on our phones.
things i didn't like about android:
-No bluetooth file transfer(at least in the version im running on the hero now)
-No bluetooth tethering option(i used to use this a lot on my windows phone)
-no option of installing programs on sd card( i had to root and install apps to sd, that too cache still remains on the phone memory)
-lacks basic programs when it comes from the factory, being a smart phone one would expect it to ship with basic programs like a file explorer and an office suite. but no...this phone overly depends on the market for everything.
conclusion
Although android is developing fast and seems to have a promising future, it is yet to become as good as windows mobile let alone out doing it. if i had the money i would surely buy an HD2.
We all know Android looks nicer but how does that make it superior? Wouldn't the operation system with the most features be ahead? Windows mobile will get flash 10.1 support first..windows CE usually powers all the intese 3D U.I's you see in embedded devices. Even nvidia has said they prefer the windows kernel over linux for doing 3D applications. I'm just saying the next windows mobile is obviously going be like holding a Mini Gaming PC from 2005-2006 in your pocket. Android will have to impress me with just good looks, and open source goodness..if theres an alternative that can actually do more. Dont get me wrong though, once i've booted Android on my device I never looked backed at windows again.
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
Coburn64 said:
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I'm just saying the next high end windows phones will bring mobile smartphones into the next level. It will support higher res 1200x600 screens ,multiple screen support, being able to output movies, and UI to your TV..making it a true portable media device. You'll basically have a xbox 360/Zune/PC in your pocket.
hers what to do
send me your tatoo
ill send you my htc touch mk 1
fair swap
you get windows
i get anotheR lovely android device !!
(( no but seriously the apps you want i can sort of agree with, file managers on android are a whole new thing when your used to win-mob, maybe try linda file manager or astro its just a getting used to process... or we can swap ! ))
=====PEACE=====
eldrid said:
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Noted, I guess I misread your post as "OMG Android ****, WM pwns". Sorry if I offended you.
I'm sure if people wanted to, they could make a Win Mobile UI for android... but in my opinion, Android has a better feature set and can be hacked more than Windows Mobile can.
Hey i wasn't offended. Any way i agree the win mob UI is ****ty, its just the way the platform works that makes me like it, its very much like the windows pc that we use and are so overly familiar with. May be i will eventually get used to android.
As far as hacking goes....well no one has been able to root the tattoo or the droid eris yet...but almost all win mob devices at least have a soft spl out there.
Again a phone is meant to satisfy an almost unique set of needs of each individual, so yes its all personal preference.
I love the market on the android though..tons of free applications and in future if i had to buy a phone i would always choose a win mob or android phone...had a bad experience with symbian and i simply don't like the i-phone.
True. The iPhone UI is too simple, Windows Mobile had me going around in circles wondering how to send files to another device, and Android is just a "little slice of heaven". Again, that's my two cents, but yes, if any hardcore WM hacker wants a challenge, try porting WM to the HTC Click.
normally such porting is very hard if not impossible as drivers for the tattoo are made to be used with android 1.6, writing drivers from scratch for windows is going to be a royal pain in the @$$ for most developers.