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hello everyone!
since two weeks, i am theproud owner of my first pocket pc, a HTC Blue Angel!
i am now running wm2003, but after reading all those posts about upgrading, i am starting to think about doing so myself! but why should i do this?
what are the big advatages of wm2005 compared to wm2003?
are there disadvantages as well? (regarding stability and bugs?)
i would be really glad if yome of the more experienced ba users here could write down their pros & cons for running WM5/WM3 on the BA!
btw: i read thru xplode's upgrading guide (Guide.pdf) and in the end ("side notes") it says, that i could totally screw my ba when i exceed free sectors of the rom while cooking.... what excactly does this mean? and how can i avoid exceeding free sectors?
I am really looking forward to read your opinions about the two os...
THX IN ADVANCE!
krztf
I would definately go for wm5
main reason is the different memory handling
(no more lose of data after battery runs down)
Just download one of the ready made roms versions.
(as I understand, you are not ready to cook your own rom)
and be sure to read the wiki first
(and this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=243732 )
happy flashing
Wout
I could tell you this, my biggest reason to flash my BA to Wm05 because it has a better UI. N my 2nd biggest reason is because a lot of new programs written for wm05
Anyway if you afraid to brick your BA, I suggest you read carefully the wiki n don't use kitchen Rom, just use another rom that already cook by someone else. You could use Rom made by baniaczek or xplode.
I hoped it helps.
Well how should i say... i dont believe anyone here is still using 2003. Would this be enough for you? Try it, if you dont like it, downgrade back to 2003.
WM5 on Blue Angel is nice. But xplode rom and baniaczek rom are not really stable at the moment.
Tried both rom both got different problems... so I recommend you to wait for final release WM5 rom for BA thats free of bug.(Would it happen?)
Else if you wanted to try, you can try upgrading it... its really nice
Main reason is 60mb free ram..
and no more memory lost after battery going down
aha
thanks for all those answers!!!
but to be honest, i am still not sure if i should upgrade or not....
all those postings (here an din other threads) regarding pda overall speed, bluetooth and wifi problems, etc. make me kinda nervous! and i think, i am still anxious about frying my blue angel,... noobish but what can i do!
regarding the advantage of more free ram and no memory loss after battery's empty: is this really true?! always thought, i would need certain hardware as well, to benefit from this features...?
hope this discussion keeps goin'...
regards,krz
root said:
Well how should i say... i dont believe anyone here is still using 2003. Would this be enough for you? Try it, if you dont like it, downgrade back to 2003.
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I'm using 2003se (rollback wm5->2003), because found some strange problems with baniachek's wm5 bluetooth profiles. ...
all the gory details ....
hi dasboot!
could you please describe those "strange problems"?
btw: does anyone know, if connecting to wlan routers works better with wm2005? as u can read in my other thread HERE, i have serious issues to solve here...
keep on posting!
krz
im rollbacked too.WM5 is nice looking..but for BA useless.
i found that WM3 work much better on it-and more important-the battery time:
wm5=max 8 hours,with mp3 6h
wm3=up to 16h with mp3.normal use 24/36h (older BA )
i use wlan only sometimes on hotspots-and only for e-mails.not a important criteria for me.
but,damn it..i would try out WM6 on it.suddenly it is unable to convert it to BA.
WM5 is not a software, it is one huge BAG!
wm5 is really good and I won't come back to wm2003. I have the R2 by baniaczeck and it works to me like a charm! I advice you to upgrade to wm5
I called cingular tonight because i have been trying to get my 750 paired with my tom tom one 3rd edition for use of the weather updates and cameras and such. Through conversation with a support representative, and trying to troubleshoot why it couldn't use the wireless connection of the phone, the representative asked me to check a few things on my phone. While answering some questions, one of which was about device software and such and i told him i had windows mobile 6 installed.
From this point on he led into reasons why i should be using it with out it being released and such which is to be expected. He also stated that doing to much to the phone can possibly make the phone upgradable when the real WM6 update is released. This he mentioned were changing the boot loader, IPL and SPL software in the phone, that and using bogus releases of software. The reason being he said was that the soon to be released update probes the phone deeply because everything has been updated including the boot loader stuff.
Now i cant confirm or deny any truth to these statements but the only thing i had done with mine was a try a few new firmwares but after my conversation with them i quickly reverted back to WM5.
here is a link to get it if anyone is interested in doing the same. Download either or, they are the same. included is the cheeimg.nbh and the cheediag.nbh. the cheediag.nbh wont complete is you have othere that cingular WM5 on ur cingular treo 750.
http://rapidshare.com/files/17874512/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
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http://rs61l32.rapidshare.com/files/16438750/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
I think Olipro's response covers the reality of this mighty fine. There's really only one scenario where you could do something and not be able to change or revert, and that has to do with the radio.
If you put a Hermes radio on the Treo, you won't be able to change it ever again until a hack is worked up. The Hermes radio does a bit of authentication with the SPL using a function that is the Hermes SPLs, but not in the Cheetah SPL.
I'm currently stuck in this situation unfortunately..
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I called cingular tonight because i have been trying to get my 750 paired with my tom tom one 3rd edition for use of the weather updates and cameras and such. Through conversation with a support representative, and trying to troubleshoot why it couldn't use the wireless connection of the phone, the representative asked me to check a few things on my phone. While answering some questions, one of which was about device software and such and i told him i had windows mobile 6 installed.
From this point on he led into reasons why i should be using it with out it being released and such which is to be expected. He also stated that doing to much to the phone can possibly make the phone upgradable when the real WM6 update is released. This he mentioned were changing the boot loader, IPL and SPL software in the phone, that and using bogus releases of software. The reason being he said was that the soon to be released update probes the phone deeply because everything has been updated including the boot loader stuff.
Now i cant confirm or deny any truth to these statements but the only thing i had done with mine was a try a few new firmwares but after my conversation with them i quickly reverted back to WM5.
here is a link to get it if anyone is interested in doing the same. Download either or, they are the same. included is the cheeimg.nbh and the cheediag.nbh. the cheediag.nbh wont complete is you have othere that cingular WM5 on ur cingular treo 750.
http://rapidshare.com/files/17874512/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
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http://rs61l32.rapidshare.com/files/16438750/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
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this is why i am not doing the Hard SPL unlock bit. I mean it is great that someone has the smarts to make this work but honestly it took thousands of man hours and engineers to make these phones and the software in them. I believe honestly software has gotten like the pharmacutical industry, so many side affects and there is know way the one person who wrote this can adaquately predict what will happen on every phone. SOmetimes it is better to just leave alone.
oh and think you guys should post what side affects you know of in regards to using the HARD-SPL. I think a lot of people are gonna be pissed if they used that and cannot get the AT&T update to install on thier phones when it comes out.. I smell some future legal problems here.
Ok I'm feeling a bit dense today, are you saying if I have the leaked AT&T WM 6 rom installed on my Treo it won't be able to update to the official release?
Naw, no one is saying that. You can install whatever updates you want, including future updates. Don't pay attention to folks who haven't been 'round here long or the misguided/misinformed ramblings of a Cingular tech support cubicle jockey.
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Ok I'm feeling a bit dense today, are you saying if I have the leaked AT&T WM 6 rom installed on my Treo it won't be able to update to the official release?
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I suggest you read up on the world of HTC devices (the Treo is made by HTC) to get some helpful insight into bootloaders, radios, OS ROMs, etc. The Hermes upgrading forum would be a good place to start - the Hermes is very similar to the Treo.
The only "side effects" are this:
-the patched bootloader will not allow itself to be overwritten by a carrier ROM update. The patched bootloader is what allows a cooked (unsigned) ROM to be flashed.
-the patched bootloader will let you flash a Hermes radio to the device if you are so inclined. Right now this is a bad move since the Hermes radios have a radio bootloader which requires authentication from the main bootloader (SPL), and this isn't supported by the main bootloader. End result - if you flash a Hermes radio, you'll be stuck with it, perhaps forever.
Palm, HTC, and carriers will always give you a scripted response when it comes to running modified code on your device. Their responses are designed to discourage folks from bricking or otherwise fouling up their device and then running to Palm or the carriers for help. You'll get a clear picture of the risks and realities here on these forums.
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oh and think you guys should post what side affects you know of in regards to using the HARD-SPL. I think a lot of people are gonna be pissed if they used that and cannot get the AT&T update to install on thier phones when it comes out.. I smell some future legal problems here.
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yeah i've known for a long time that HTC has made the treo 750 and many others. I'm just not that much into my phone that i wanna know how this affects this and make it do this neat thing.. i just want it to work.
Talk about contradictory...you're mighty confusing my friend.
Anyway, you've happened upon a site dedicated to modifying devices via cooked OS's and patched device code so they can "do neat things". Perhaps you'd find the various Treo user sites closer to your needs...Treocentral is a good one.
jhowle said:
yeah i've known for a long time that HTC has made the treo 750 and many others. I'm just not that much into my phone that i wanna know how this affects this and make it do this neat thing.. i just want it to work.
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Will there be an official Windows Mobile 6.1 for the Herald?
nope. just that easy
so basically, tmobile wing will not have windows 6.1 that is not cool
Well July 12 I will be on my iPhone then.
well before you jump ship, all the current custom roms are 6.1
try those
well i am not jumping mate, I have tried them, and the closest i have gotten with HTC herald upgrade from tylerC161 is error messages saying, the system cannot excute the specified file and then shuts off. i am new to this, so if you have any experience with one of them, please reference, i dont need tutorial, i can do it i am sure, there are just a million version in this forum and i have not been successful with three of them so far and it took me a 6 to eight hours by now. i am still not frustrated, more like eager to see one of them work and see how touchflo works on my wing before i buy an iphone.
i agree
Why is it that the wing wont get a 6.1 upgrade but people that have had wm5's were able to go to 6's from what ive read. whats the point of having windows default update software on there if there never gona let you have the updates ??? i want the 6.1 also. Ive tried a few roms myself and went back to factory settings because of minor but imoprtant errors.
in all honesty, the wing already has wm6. if you're mad about them getting wm6 from wm5, the jump form wm6 to 6.1 doesn't necessarily translate
and windows update for wm is one of those ideas that sounds nice but doesn't really quite work
ok but also
I heard wings arent gona be upgradeable to WM7 either so do you see what i mean ?
Yeah but the iPhone won't make the jump from whateverthehellitsOSiscalled to wm7 either
Also, why would you want to run the bloatware that is a stock TMO rom? I mean seriously, you can't deny the fact that your wing runs 800x faster as soon as you flash anybody's rom, let alone a slim/lite version of one of them.
If you're going to dump the wing in favor of a different device, at least just use a custom rom untill wm7 hits. Otherwise you'll be buying yet another phone.
idea
try flashing to open touch v3.0 slim, everything works and its vrey fast. any program that it doesnt have you can usually find for free. good luck and dont stick with the tmo os cause it for lack of a better word sucks.
I have been looking to upgrade my Tytn II to the latest ROM however I have not been able to get the upgrade it from HTC.
but its seems to not be there....
My system is
R 1..27.15.32
G 22.51.8.13H
D 1.82.00.00
Now I"m not sure what all those numbers ar efor but I know the R is for radio!!
I got lost after reading that bit... I was going to try to upgrade it myself but got confused so I stopped... trying and thought I'd wait till an update was available from HTC...
Well it seems its not to me anyways...
SO if there is anyone out there that can help me sort out an upgrade..
I live in Brisbane, and use optus as my carrier... my phone is unlocked as far as I know... I purchased it on the net from a Melbourne online store.
So help an Aussie if ya can.....
if you want to upgrade, then please start reading here.....
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
6.1 very bad gps.
6.0 good gps
Why go to WM 6.1?
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6.1 very bad gps.
6.0 good gps
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Exactly! Having been there, done that and decided to go back to WM 6.0, in my effort to help a fellow person from 'down under', I can tell targ that if he uses (or expects to use) Tomtom or GPS at all on the device, he'd better be very patient at waiting for satellite locks under WM 6.1.
Although HTC have improved some of their WM 6.1 upgrades by using a newer Radio, I've tried the latest WWE version and it's still far short of what my original WM 6.0 implementation achieved as far as GPS performance is concerned. Once you upgrade to 6.1 it's quite a task to go back to WM 6.0 (the spl needs reverting too) so I had HTC do that on my device under warranty.
Yup tried reading that...
got lost as to what I need to match to what!!!
Like I said I'm looking for a some help to do this .
I"ll have another crack at it though see if I can make sense of any of it...
Peto01 man what you mean the gps goes crap... in 6.1
Is this only in a few units or every unit.
More reading material
targ said:
what you mean the gps goes crap... in 6.1
Is this only in a few units or every unit.
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Have a look at this thread about *hopeless* GPS after 6.1 update
The problem seems fairly widespread with TyTN II WM 6.1 updates. Since the ROM and Radio on your device seem to be from the Rogers network (as listed in the xda-dev wiki), that may explain why the generic HTC upgrade doesn't work for your device (only genuine HTC TyTN IIs will run the HTC upgrade as-is).
If you're just wanting to upgrade to WM 6.1 because it's the latest, you may be disappointed!
Useful!
I was browsing forum trying to see should I upgrade my stock 6.0 ROM to 6.1. Now I am sure that I will wait for couple more months (weeks?) !
I'm inclined to wait until the next ROM and Radio release has been tested/reviewed
I'm inclined to let someone else be the guinea pig regarding fixing the broken GPS. When a new ROM/Radio Combination is released on HTC eClub/Support, I'll check here to see how reports about GPS performance look and then when I'm sufficiently sure it's not still broken, will again jump over to WM 6.1.
Once bitten, twice shy and I don't want to have to get HTC to revert it to WM 6.0 again!
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Exactly! Having been there, done that and decided to go back to WM 6.0, in my effort to help a fellow person from 'down under', I can tell targ that if he uses (or expects to use) Tomtom or GPS at all on the device, he'd better be very patient at waiting for satellite locks under WM 6.1.
Although HTC have improved some of their WM 6.1 upgrades by using a newer Radio, I've tried the latest WWE version and it's still far short of what my original WM 6.0 implementation achieved as far as GPS performance is concerned. Once you upgrade to 6.1 it's quite a task to go back to WM 6.0 (the spl needs reverting too) so I had HTC do that on my device under warranty.
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I had the same experience and reverted back to 6.0 roms. BUT I've recently been using Garmins WM6.1 DK3 with radio 1.65.17.56 and the GPS fix is always quick and strong - Works all over UK. This setup may be worth considering.
ach2 said:
I had the same experience and reverted back to 6.0 roms. BUT I've recently been using Garmins WM6.1 DK3 with radio 1.65.17.56 and the GPS fix is always quick and strong - Works all over UK. This setup may be worth considering.
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I want to keep it all official HTC and not have to use hardspl at this stage, besides I prefer the look of the original HTC setup (themes, icons etc) over the customised Garmin DK3. The latest official HTC ROM for the device uses the same radio as you're using and I was far from satisfied with its reception instability compared to the old WM 6.0 setup. I've sent a letter to the big cheese at HTC so will wait and see what happens!
Flying Kiwi,
What do you mean "Rogers network" (WTF) I bought a HTC Tytn II from a Retailer. surely this is not a fake HTC??
Should I be looking at taking it back?
Does this mean I don't have any Warrenty?
This would be why HTC said that the Upgrade is not a suitable for my unit... going by the S/N!!
What am I to DO now.
As for the GPS issue some seem to be having no real issue with cooked roms.
AS I live in Australia would I need to get a diff radio then say you in the UK?
I"m rather intrested in the L26 TL ROM of Leo's
And if I understand it correctly I need to
1. run jump SPL
2. then flash the SPL that suits the rom I go for.
3. flash the Radio
4. Flash the ROM I have choisen.
Then hard reset.
IS that right?
or have I got the order wrong or missed a step.
Just trying to make a simple as I can..
Would my location and carrier make a difference as to which SPL, ROM, RADIO I use.
OH yeah !
What Does the R, D, and G mean...
Well, I finally did my first ROM change (to 6.1) and have to say I don't have any problems at all.
I have a T-mobile Vario 3, that although everything worked, I always found slow and buggy.
I went for Sleuths 6.1 V3 ROM, simply because I was a hermes user before and his stuff was always flawless.......and I was proved right again.
It's really simple to do, contains the correct radio (much better than the shipped one), and is really fast and stable. Had it a week and used it intensively - no problems with Tomtom or GPS - the same, if not better than it was before.
I would suggest, if you're not sure which one to go for then try this and see if it suits you.
Ok I tried to use the link in the WIki to the Jump SPL the latest one that only needs you to follow the on screen info..
And well according to the on screen prompts it must be done but as for the unit its self I don't hink so as nothing really happened on it... I"m thinking that the wizard does not like Vista or it does not like Sync Centre.
anyone able to help me out ....
No WTFs reqd after-all
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Flying Kiwi,
What do you mean "Rogers network"
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Your Radio (R) is the same as that used by Rogers on their WM 6.0 ROMs. But you're right, I missed the bit about your 1.82 series ROM though so it looks more like you have the 3rd one down the wiki list of HTC WM 6.0 ROMs here and not the first: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
Should I be looking at taking it back?
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Not if it currently works as you need it to but you could see what their explanation for why there is no WM 6.1 upgrade for your device yet is. HTC in Australia should also be able to advise you http://www.htc.com/au/about_htc.aspx?id=21840
As for the GPS issue some seem to be having no real issue with cooked roms.
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And some are so are you willing to take that risk as a newbie and get stuck with a non-original non-warrantable installation thats not straight forward to revert back to original WM 6.0 if it plays up for you? Is it not worth liasing with HTC first to see what they have to say about a possible WM 6.1 update if you're really that keen?
AS I live in Australia would I need to get a diff radio then say you in the UK?
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Pass on the Radios but if history is anything to go by, there are a few different ROMs on that wiki page released for Australia. If you do a bit of searching around here I think you'll find cases of peoples non-Australian purchased TyTN IIs having problems when used there as well. I can't recall what the issues were but there definitely were issues (months ago before WM 6.1 came out on the Kaiser). Perhaps a search for Australia just in the Kaiser General or Kaiser ROM Dev forums may yeild results.
Thanks heaps I'll follow your leads Cheers
hi is it possible to downgrabe from mobile 6.1 to 6.0? and when everi start up pocket gba it freezes when i rpess anything. thanks!!!!
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hi is it possible to downgrabe from mobile 6.1 to 6.0? and when everi start up pocket gba it freezes when i rpess anything. thanks!!!!
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Yes it is possible to down grade.
Can't help , I have a PSP and actually use my phone as a phone
Yes and HTC should be responsible for their bugs/poor firmware
buugtdbgt said:
hi is it possible to downgrabe from mobile 6.1 to 6.0? and when everi start up pocket gba it freezes when i rpess anything. thanks!!!!
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I complained to HTC in person about reliability issues with the HTC TyTN II WM 6.1 'upgrade that was more of a downgrade' (pausing, GPS perfomance issues, phone not ringing when calls came in - these were just some of the issues I experienced) and they reverted it all for free under warranty for me. Even though I still have the original WM 6.0 ROM, the Radio and SPL (other code programmed onto the phone) are slightly newer & fix a few bugs with the original setup so my device is now super reliable. Why not give that a try? Even if they won't revert it, there'll still be ways of doing it yourself if needed but if your phones under warranty and you're experiencing problems with their setup, really it should be up to them to fix it for you. Let us know how you get on.
ya those dicks wont downgrade it for me. can anyone show me steps to downgrade to 6.0 maybe even 5.0? ?
The wiki is your friend
buugtdbgt said:
wont downgrade it for me. can anyone show me steps to downgrade to 6.0 maybe even 5.0? ?
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Why not, what did they say and which country HTC (you've not filled in your country or network on the User Control Panel/Profile)? You won't be able to downgrade to WM 5 because the TyTN II only came out with WM 6.0 or 6.1 but if you read the wiki, all the info you need to do it is in there. People here won't hold your hand through it, you'll need to do your own research and make sure you understand fully so you don't make a mistake. If it's a reliable WM 6.0 setup you're after on a WWE HTC TyTN II Kaiser (ie HTC Branded), then the components in my sig are a good combination other than very occasional sluggish keyboard responses when typing.
ok but before i downgrade can i ask you a quick favor? can you donwload the latest version of pocket gba and tell me if it freezes when loading a rom for you?
buugtdbgt said:
ok but before i downgrade can i ask you a quick favor? can you donwload the latest version of pocket gba and tell me if it freezes when loading a rom for you?
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Now I have my TyTN II set up as I like it (by and large), I'm not looking to do any ROM 'loading'... I'm not even sure what that means in fact. If your program is WM 6.0 compatible and you don't have any other conflicting software it should work on the native WM 6 HTC ROM but as you haven't answered all the other questions about what you currently have, it's hard to say if it'll work for you. Maybe someone else more familiar with this product knows about its general compatibility.
dot dot dot >>;;;xD pocketgba is a emulator a program not a rom -.-; the only reason wHy i want to downgrade is because i wanna know if it works with 6.0 b/c it freezes on 6.1
so let me tell you it works, but doesn't work well. there is no gba emu for kaiser which can play games with decent fps.
I have a similar problem I'm out of warranty so no use going to HTC they said they'd only put the latest which is 6.1 as they are contractually obliged by law - so where would I get hold of wm6.0 so I can revert mine back from 6.1 to 6.0?
argoran said:
I have a similar problem I'm out of warranty so no use going to HTC they said they'd only put the latest which is 6.1 as they are contractually obliged by law
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Well then they broke the law with me. 'Contractually obliged', what a load of rubbish. It takes 2 to have a valid contract and if one party doesn't want WM 6.1 then there cant be a contract.
so where would I get hold of wm6.0 so I can revert mine back from 6.1 to 6.0?
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There are WM 6.0 ROMs accessible through a link on the wiki (a chart that shows different ROM versions with their matching Radios). You'll need to read up to know what you're doing first, otherwise if you don't want the hassel, pay a phone repair shop to do it for you.
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Well then they broke the law with me. 'Contractually obliged', what a load of rubbish. It takes 2 to have a valid contract and if one party doesn't want WM 6.1 then there cant be a contract.
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I think they mean contractually obligated to Microsoft. They piss and moan about anybody offering any Windows based rom for any longer than they are contracted to. This means new or older roms.
Grrrr
denco7 said:
I think they mean contractually obligated to Microsoft.
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That's even more annoying The same company that lets HTC sell a product with their OS on it and doesn't even insist it has full driver support first. Given they allowed the device to come out with WM 6.0 once upon a time, it should be up to the manufacturer to put the most reliable ROM for the customers needs on the device and if that means the latest isn't the greatest then either fix the latest or use another version.
The bottom line is HTC can get away with doing this if they want to, I know through personal experience.