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BA WM5 extra registry speed tweaks

I ran across some extra registry tweaks at Aximsite for the X51v which seems to have improved performance on my BA. The extra reg settings are
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\CacheSize=4096
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\EnableCache=0x1(1)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\fsreplxfilt\ReplStoreCacheSize=4096
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\ MSFlash\FATFS\DataCacheSize=4096
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\ MSFlash\FATFS\Flags=40
The first two registry entries are already included in the wm5 fixes cab by mamaich but with a diferent value for the cache. I have been using the 4096 cache value myself already. I also tried the extra settings in bold and found it gave another boost to the PPC speed. Here is the original thread http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=104366&page=1&pp=20 Anyone else like to try and post feedback on their results? If confirmed maybe it can be added to the wm5 cab file.
Edit: Can anyone try setting this reg key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\ MSFlash\FATFS\DataCacheSize=2048 instead of 4096 as above. For me it seems to work slightly better.
I also tried changing these two entries for PIE, unfortunately PIE runs so slow i cant tell if it has any positive effect
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings]
"MaxConnectionsPerServer"=dword:10(dec) - default 4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main]
"MaxRequestThreads"=dword:10(dec) - default 5

1. BA still works
2. Noticeable faster.

this seting realy speedUP BlueAngel running WM 2005 ????

noticed a a fair amount of speed increase in my BA, nice trick, i hope more tweaks like these come up

baniaczek, which reg keys did you apply?
For anyone else trying this, please state which registry entries you applied.

applied all reg settings to my system, but I guess the first 2 are the ones that made a significant difference in my device

Is this a general WM2005 tip?
Is it worth trying on Universal?
UPDATE
Did this on my Universal (XDA Exec) and it seems faster, where did you see the main speed increases...

Wow
Noticable faster.
Thanks.

efjay said:
baniaczek, which reg keys did you apply?
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All of them.
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Of course not everything goes faster.
Example - Settings menu. First time since reboot - no difference. Second time - very fast. Setting/Phone - like a dream.
File manager - looking into \windows - very fast.
regedit - refresh tree. Very good.
Green key [phone] - very, very, very nice.
Starting programs - first time - probably no difference.

BA WM5 extra registry speed tweaks - maybe not
I've just tested this using GXMark on an o2 xda iis with wm5 and patch 3.
It's also worth noting I'm running the overclocking util that was posted here a while back.
The results are:
Before applying change: 1755
After applying change: 1735
How accurate GXMark is for determining "perceived" benefits over actual ones I don't know.
Anyways, thats my £0.01

Very nice! Changing from using the WiFi to GPRS as Internet connetion takes a few seconds to apply. It took ten! Also other operations seems noticeably faster. Good catch indeed!

Interesting. Speed was my main problem with WM5; i might install it again sometimes in the future...

Nice, my SX66 seems a bit faster too now.
The "EnableCache" was set but the others where not.

What about the sound problems? e.g. the skipping in WMP/TCPMP?

My Hero!!
CacheSize was 256 and it was very slow, by the time the phone rang (made a noise) and you pressed the green telephone key the divert on no-answer had kicked in.
After all the above settings being applied it's turbo charged by comparison!!!

Didn't notice that because nobody called me yesterday, but you're right!

Speed in sms writing still slow? i went back to 2003se cause of that..
I'm tempted to try wm5 again but the sms problem makes the device unusable...

Nope, doesen't look like that.

Just re-flashed WM5v3 and applied this registry entries. Awesome that's all I can say, thanks dude. I'm testing the sound with TCPMP and no skips so far. If it stays as good as it is now, I'm back to WM5.......

any feedbacks about the Pocket IE on showing the missing pictures? I need to know, otherwise I won't upgrade still it needs some tweaks..

Keeping it simple for the ADD crowd...

tl;dr: I want a clean wm 6.1 rom for my Tmobile Wing that is stupid simple to install.
First off, let me say I really appreciate all the work that everyone has put into these custom roms here. I used to use X's MDA custom rom (and still do on my wife's MDA) because it was a very clean rom and it was stupid simple to use. You ran it, clicked next and yes to everything and waited.
I've had the Tmobile wing since launch and I've used the stock firmware because whenever I try to digest any information that is presented in the forum post format, my ADD kicks in and I get nowhere. Now that my replacement wing is here, I figured now is the best time to flash a new rom onto it because I can't put up with not being able to do things like take a picture without soft reseting.
So, I want to get rid of this stock rom but looking at the different rom threads, I'm not sure which one I want. I want to avoid as many 3rd party applications / today screen mods / touch interfaces as possible. Any 3rd party application I need, I'm happier to install post flash.
I do like the custom roms that have the obvious tweaks built in and I really like them when everything I need is included to take me from a fresh Wing out of the box to final product.
And finally, the easier the better. The last thing I have time for is tweaking my cell phone. I've put up with the awful stock rom since the wing came out simply because I haven't had the time to mess around with it.
I thank you in advance for your advice and help.

I'll build you a clean and simple ROM when I get home. Doubleclick on one file and click enter three times. Wait. Done.

ivanmmj said:
I'll build you a clean and simple ROM when I get home. Doubleclick on one file and click enter three times. Wait. Done.
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That is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. I saw some of your threads and it looked very promising. I assume that covers the CID unlock?

Yep, it doesn't unlock it per say... just goes around the lock. Just one question. What programs do you want on it? If you're not sure, take a look at my kitchen. Those are the packages I'll be using.

Ok, I checked out your thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372236
Adobe Flash
AdobeReader
MS Voice Command
Remote Desktop
I do fine with battery indicator that came with the wing.
Updated Microsoft Office
Java
Wing Keyboard Driver
I'm not familiar enough with each of the registry tweaks you mentioned.
Ivan's Tweaks sound fine, Beam disabled (since there is no IR), disable the security warnings, disable the sliding sounds, get TZ from the network, enable file cache, hide sim contacts, Increase FileSystem filter cache, INcrease font cache, and most definitely get rid of SMS sent message notification if that isn't in there. Also IE temp files on the storage card would be grand.
Ideally the Comm settings would be set for Tmobile USA. (But I don't need My5)
And whatever applications are part of the core OS. I'm not all that unpleased with the stock rom for the wing. I uninstalled a bunch of applications when I got it and haven't had to hard reset it since so I don't remember all the different bloat that came on there. I just would like a bit less of a memory leak, a few good registry tweaks, and of course an update to wm6.1.
If the stock ringtones and sounds can be cut to save space, I'm all for it. However, I read on some of your other posts that you have to get to a certain size on the ROM or it fails. So if that is the case, the sounds/rings can stay.
And as long as I can flash back to the stock rom if I have to warranty this bad boy, I'm as happy as a clam. Maybe I'm crazy but I prefer installing applications outside of the rom process. I like starting with a clean base. The only things I have installed are Google Maps, SPB Wallet and SPB Pocket Plus. Like I said, I try to keep it very simple.

rosewood said:
Ok, I checked out your thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372236
Adobe Flash
AdobeReader
MS Voice Command
Remote Desktop
I do fine with battery indicator that came with the wing.
Updated Microsoft Office
Java
Wing Keyboard Driver
I'm not familiar enough with each of the registry tweaks you mentioned.
Ivan's Tweaks sound fine, Beam disabled (since there is no IR), disable the security warnings, disable the sliding sounds, get TZ from the network, enable file cache, hide sim contacts, Increase FileSystem filter cache, INcrease font cache, and most definitely get rid of SMS sent message notification if that isn't in there. Also IE temp files on the storage card would be grand.
Ideally the Comm settings would be set for Tmobile USA. (But I don't need My5)
And whatever applications are part of the core OS. I'm not all that unpleased with the stock rom for the wing. I uninstalled a bunch of applications when I got it and haven't had to hard reset it since so I don't remember all the different bloat that came on there. I just would like a bit less of a memory leak, a few good registry tweaks, and of course an update to wm6.1.
If the stock ringtones and sounds can be cut to save space, I'm all for it. However, I read on some of your other posts that you have to get to a certain size on the ROM or it fails. So if that is the case, the sounds/rings can stay.
And as long as I can flash back to the stock rom if I have to warranty this bad boy, I'm as happy as a clam. Maybe I'm crazy but I prefer installing applications outside of the rom process. I like starting with a clean base. The only things I have installed are Google Maps, SPB Wallet and SPB Pocket Plus. Like I said, I try to keep it very simple.
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you can wait for open touch 4 =] that's what I am doing.
I'm currently using touch-it vista style.

rosewood said:
Ok, I checked out your thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372236
Adobe Flash
AdobeReader
MS Voice Command
Remote Desktop
I do fine with battery indicator that came with the wing.
Updated Microsoft Office
Java
Wing Keyboard Driver
I'm not familiar enough with each of the registry tweaks you mentioned.
Ivan's Tweaks sound fine, Beam disabled (since there is no IR), disable the security warnings, disable the sliding sounds, get TZ from the network, enable file cache, hide sim contacts, Increase FileSystem filter cache, INcrease font cache, and most definitely get rid of SMS sent message notification if that isn't in there. Also IE temp files on the storage card would be grand.
Ideally the Comm settings would be set for Tmobile USA. (But I don't need My5)
And whatever applications are part of the core OS. I'm not all that unpleased with the stock rom for the wing. I uninstalled a bunch of applications when I got it and haven't had to hard reset it since so I don't remember all the different bloat that came on there. I just would like a bit less of a memory leak, a few good registry tweaks, and of course an update to wm6.1.
If the stock ringtones and sounds can be cut to save space, I'm all for it. However, I read on some of your other posts that you have to get to a certain size on the ROM or it fails. So if that is the case, the sounds/rings can stay.
And as long as I can flash back to the stock rom if I have to warranty this bad boy, I'm as happy as a clam. Maybe I'm crazy but I prefer installing applications outside of the rom process. I like starting with a clean base. The only things I have installed are Google Maps, SPB Wallet and SPB Pocket Plus. Like I said, I try to keep it very simple.
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Sounds like how I like my ROMs.
My ROMs are stripped to the bare minimum. Yes, there is a size requirement that I've been trying to find a way to bypass it but my kitchen DOES work around the problem by inflating ROMs that are too small into the correct size with empty space. I haven't had time to work on this, yet, as I'm heading to work right now, but I will try to get it done tonight.

never mind, wrong...

Thank you ivanmmj. I would say keep the sounds in then since taking them out doesn't really do anything.
Would it be possible to put something in that could be deleted post install? I am just tossing out ideas.
As for "waiting for open touch 4" and using touch-it vista style, I've looked at the threads for that and it just has a bunch of stuff, like the HTC today screen stuff that I don't ever want to use. My today screen is very clean. It has Tmobile's plugin that shows network, date, wifi and bluetooth status. It has my owner info and my calendar info. This is it. I used to use SPB Diary but it was a memory hog and I never did like the clutter.

You don't need the sounds and the less files, the faster the ROM. You can't uninstall anything that's built into the ROM, only things installed after through the ExtROM or anything else. The padding I put in makes the ROM bigger but doesn't add any files. It's all HEX.

ivanmmj said:
You don't need the sounds and the less files, the faster the ROM. You can't uninstall anything that's built into the ROM, only things installed after through the ExtROM or anything else. The padding I put in makes the ROM bigger but doesn't add any files. It's all HEX.
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Well fast is what makes my day
I can't wait for you to work your magic.
Thanks

Faster TILT after Hard Soft Reset for Newbies

Reason For this thread:
New easy to find Quick alternative for NEWBIES wanting to know ho to obtain a safe fast responding Tilt without messing the Device.
I THINK AT&T SCREWEDUP this beautifull piece of TECH with the Bloatware and not including HTC custom add on.
Have to say my Tilt was ok out of the box BUT NOW IS WAY BETTER.
Now I'm not expert (I'm more of a newbie) but theese is something I did and is really True and it WORKED.
I kindly ASK
***** Only people with FACTS/EXPERIENCE will POST HERE what they think is not HERE***********
****** NEWBIES with NO EXPERIENCE or with NO FACTS DO NOT POST HERE just READ, so we can keep it clean for all people without knowledge and no time to read QUESTIONS******
What to do:
Just:
1. Hard Reset
2. Soft Reset before the count down of 3 secs end.
So the AT&T SLOWING BLOATWARE (Crap Software from AT&T like Stupid DEMOS and Tricky Charging services, etc.) are not installed.
All this BLOATWARE make your Tilt SLOW.
Bennefits:
1. Faster Respponse "Overall" and I mean "Overall"
2. The so mentioned Slow DIALER, is no more SLOW, now it respond FASTER.
And let me tell you that I have over 300 contacts in my Tilt.
3. Way more free space for you to install direct to the device all Plugins and tools You Want.
4. When accessing WINDOWS folder, is FASTER.
5. Notice Faster Camera auto focus Shoot.
ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC.................................
Now I know there are some people who post already discussed topics.
How do I know this? BECAUSE I READ ABOUT IT ABOUT 100's of time about it.
And Because I read and someone should put toguether some specific threads (already saw some of them). And is very hard for me to read a thread that is maybe 80% guessing, I don't know, maybe, I heard of, etc, etc, etc.
I did this for all those people that DON't have time to go thru a Thread with over 50 posts mostly of craps and finding the answer somere in the post # 41.
NOW FOR YOU THAT HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE and PLEASE!!!! no "GUESSING" Tell us about additional beneffits, or what important APPS are missing once You REJECT the BLOATWARE if any by replying to this POST and using the Title:
Title: Beneffits
or
Title: Missing
Thanks!!! to all of you.

Thank you for your effort. I didn't know fo all the benefits from rebooting at the 3-second count, I am to used to the custom ROM's, but this is great guide for those who want to stick with the AT&T ROM.

Its already been talked out many times here and on the ATT forums. Its even been added in the Tilt Specific WiKi already at the bottom and shows the difference an whats installed before and after the bloatware removal:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
But basically the
Benefit: It removes all the trial ware that you'd probably never buy and frees up space.
Missing: Still not as good as a custom rom that has all the performance tweaks to speed up the device (although the newest official ROM is close). If you know what your doing most of these can be fixed afterwards like the registry tweaks. But if your going to go through all that trouble you might as well just cook your own ROM or find one thats set up to your liking.

True
PsyOpWarlord said:
Its already been talked out many times here and on the ATT forums. Its even been added in the Tilt Specific WiKi already at the bottom and shows the difference an whats installed before and after the bloatware removal:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
But basically the
Benefit: It removes all the trial ware that you'd probably never buy and frees up space.
Missing: Still not as good as a custom rom that has all the performance tweaks to speed up the device (although the newest official ROM is close). If you know what your doing most of these can be fixed afterwards like the registry tweaks. But if your going to go through all that trouble you might as well just cook your own ROM or find one thats set up to your liking.
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But the Problem is that some like to play safe, and I think those are the people without time to read long threads because all the questions.
Then after alot of time reading (again long confusing threads) when you think you found what you where looking for, somewhere appears a known problem you don't want to have.
In my case for example wouldn't like to lose Basic Dialer Alternatives and still confused if it will aslo remove those options if I install any of the dialers or if it will create conflicts and so on, like ohhh!!!!! I install some app and now I'm having problems with something, and then GUESS WHAT, somtimes people end up HARD RESETTING.
Another thing is for example pop up messages that are shown in a specific color that match your theme, then you install something, and BAM POP UP MESSAGES WITH PINK COLORS and so on.
My intention was to make an easy to find info for newbies. Believe me I have read but not alot of time to play, and try to go thru previous POSTS but no response.
Now I put this new threads and for the replies I recived I think I had better results than by going thru old post and actualy thanks for the replies I know that probably people will read this and now will be directed to the wikki.
Like I will do, just Hopping it is complete and accurate info.
Thanks for replies.

I just updated my rom to
RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_3.57.502.2_radio_sign_25.88.40.05_1.65.21.18_Ship.exe
I'm trying to remove the bloatware BUT it reinstalls it everytime. Is there something in the new ROM that prevents me from removing it or is there something new I need to do.
I had no problems removing it from the previous ROM. Thanks

JerryG said:
I just updated my rom to
RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_3.57.502.2_radio_sign_25.88.40.05_1.65.21.18_Ship.exe
I'm trying to remove the bloatware BUT it reinstalls it everytime. Is there something in the new ROM that prevents me from removing it or is there something new I need to do.
I had no problems removing it from the previous ROM. Thanks
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You must do the soft reset before the 3 second countdown.

From what I know of the trick to soft reset worked only with WM6 ROMS, not with the newer WM6.1 ones.

soft reset works with WM6.1
I am one of the "play it safe" guys and the soft reset does work with WM6.1, you just have to catch it BEFORE the customize 3 second countdown even appears. I have used registry tweaks and jacked up my phone plenty, resulting in hard resets and each time i catch it before the countdown. if you miss it, just soft reset and start over again.
Newbs Unite!

Its really not that hard to flash a custom rom, besides you think your device is fast now? Well flash a rom.

kilrah said:
From what I know of the trick to soft reset worked only with WM6 ROMS, not with the newer WM6.1 ones.
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I'll second that. I've tried soft resetting at every imaginable point after the restore and every time it just resets and goes right back into the customization garbage.
**After reading Stu's post I'm going to try it one more time. I'll post my results.**
Yessir..it does work. Thanks Stu!

this works on dutty's rom even while it shows the countdown...

Notification Enhancement/manager 3.5.20113127.00?

Anyone know if there is a cab or a way I could get Notification Enhancement/manager 3.5.20113127.00. I've looked and looked, but can't find the right ones.
I know Energy rom, and Vetvito have it cooked into there newest roms, but I've had some probs running those on my phone (either battery drain or lock ups).
I've found these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491676
(this works but I think it's an older version)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505904
(this looks like the right version, but won't install on my TP, and from the looks of the posts nobody's got it running on a TP or Diamond.)

I'm also looking for the same solution, can anyone offer any guidance? Thanks!

Notification Manager
See this post from one of the threads you've linked to. Works perfectly on my Touch Pro with TAEL's latest Sense ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3657567&postcount=80

Looks like the Notification Enhancement is dependent upon one or more HTC packages that are fundamental to Touchflo/Sense. I got it to work on my clean Titanium 6.5.x build by randomly installing some "HTC Framework" & "Shared Resource" packages. Now I just need to do some orderly trial & error to determine what's actually needed.

Have a look in the Chef Central forum ... there's a tool called Dependency Walker that will speed up the "detective" work.
HTH,

Thanks hilaireg, I looked over Dependency Walker but wasn't sure how it would work if all I have are cabs, and decided I could muddle my way through this faster than learning a new tool.
Anyway, here's what worked for me on a clean 6.5.x Titanium Alltel Touch Pro. This is in no way thorough or authoritative, and may in part be coincidence, but I just don't have more time to devote to it and it did get me the desired results:
1) Install francarl's Menu Enhancement & Loader (and .net compact framework 3.5 if not already installed)
2) Disable the Message Box option in francarl's configuration application if you get errors (you'll know it when you see it).
3) Install Pyrorob's Notification Enhancement related cabs (sorry, couldn't find a substantive thread with his links):
pyrorob HTCFramework_1_1_19202625_00
pyrorob Shared_Resource_1_0_19174125_00
pyrorob Notification_Enhancement_3_0_1920_2427
I also recommend resetting your phone between each cab in stall just to be safe. Other combinations of various cabs may also work, but I tried many, and this was the only combination that got me everything working on a VGA resolution. The only niggle so far is you can't select how long to snooze a reminder. I'm sure there's a fix for that somewhere, just haven't found it yet.

worked for me
Running dcd 2.34 on verizon tp and installed the way yoou said and it works for me. Nice work

Notification Enhancement activation field
Can I change Notification Enhancement activation field coordinates to disable its apearing after clock click on rom with bottom Start

Suggest a Rom and GUI for me.

OK, my first post so be gentle.
I have MDA Vario that has been flashed with TPCElite series V11 MEGA wm6.5 23017. It also has the touchflo GUI running. Now having tried it for a week (only just purchased it a week ago) I can say that I'm not a fan of the touchflo prog. It seems to hang on occasions and I often end up selecting something I didn't want only to find the phone connecting to the net. So I have switched it off. There is a windows default one that is working fine, but I can't see a way to customise the menu so I can add what I want to it.
So my dilemma. Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards - this way I can uninstall it if I don't like it. Or should I just leave it deselected and install a new one? Will this have any performance/memory issues - ie is the lite rom a better way to go.
I had a Mio PDA with iLauncher on it and I liked the ability to add my own shortcuts etc.
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI? Been looking at Manila 2D v2 but I want to be able to customise the main menu and I don't want it sluggish.
One final thing. Is it possible to get the phone to ask permission before connecting via gprs rather than scurrying around for the disconnect. I've looked through the menus but can't find anything. Don't mind using it if I want it, just fed up of it dialing it by mistake -(I have sausage fingers.)

i recommend the t.i.r element v5 rom. ive been thru many roms including the tpc series that you have tried and i find that t.i.r element v5 is the best w/ smooth graphics, great gui (full landscape support etc.) i cant post a link as of now since i am new to posting on xda so please look it up and give it a shot!

Is there a CLI version of a rom for this phone or is someone just trying too sound fancy? Since when is touchflu a GUI? I am totally confused.
Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards
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Uh my head is hurting make it stop.. SOMEONE REPLIED TO THIS?? awmg
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI
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I am so confused, it's like trying to mess with a womans bra (Full Landscape support) for the first time, what do I do.. do I call her new hair doo a pair of panties? AAAHHHHHHHH
Stylez close this **** down.. REASON.... Doesn't make any sense at all..
I used the GUI version of this forum to reply.. Thanks.

hi DTBrum,
touchflo - i never liked it too, don't know which files are responsible for its running and if it could be removed, seems like it's part of needed htc drivers to me, but this will switch it off completely:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"EnableScroll"=dword:00000000
"EnableCube"=dword:00000000
you need a registry editor to change those values.
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you can't replace gui, or you can theoretically but what you mean is sort of launcher, or today manager. I tried more and didn't like any, they all seems to be laggy to me.
windows in default uses today screen and start menu, it's the same way as in pc edition, there are folders with shortcuts in them for start menu
look in \windows\start menu folder. and on today screen, you can set what you want to see there in settings/today
I use start replacement called quickmenu which is a very small prg with lots of tweaks.
if you don't like those fancy launchers and controls, better you make your own rom. it's very easy with tools from xda. nearly all custom roms lite or full you'll find here have some kind of launchers and today replacement already in them and it's hard to remove or disable them.
there is a lot of different apps like iLauncher, you can install/uninstall.
no one will recommend you any custom rom here, you need to go through trying one after another because everybody's preferences differs. look in wiki.
automatic connect. no, there is no way to disable this. you can use app called 'nodata' but then you'll have to run it to enable/disable every time you want to use internet. But it solves problems in roaming.
Some programs can be set to not auto dial. and another option is, you can set a fake internet connection, make it default and then when you want to go online you'll dial the real one manually. But you may find that some programs would not want to use other then default connection.
and don't get discouraged here on forum, some people are smart here, true, but not all of us here get born that way.

Thankx for the replies.
What I found with touchflo was that there are occasions where I try to scroll from left to right and nothing happens, then all of a sudden I find it has selected something like maps or internet and the phone is trying to connect to the net. Then it starts responding normally. So as a front end user interface for me I'm not that keen on it. Also I can't see a way to remove the categories sucj as maps, and add my own. I have a registry editor and will try changing the values suggested and see if that helps. I'll do a search for the other bits recommended.
Apologies ChumleyEX, not sure if I used the correct terminology. For me a program such as touchflo is an alternative GUI that sits on top of the windows GUI. Just want to know if there are better, more reliable ones. Doesn't have to be fancy. I want to be able to customise it and for it to be quick and responsive.

Sorry I'm sure I was too harsh, I was feeling a little too good last night.

No problem ChumleyEX - no harm done.
Papo - thanks for you time and help, you cleared a few things up for me. Registry edited and touchflo now disabled.
As I said I've only had this device a week and only just found this site recently, so I'm not really up on the terminology so I'm hoping you can look past my shortcomings please. I'll get there. I'm no novice with pc's or pda's but I'm not in the same league as most people on here I admit.
My question about installing an alternative to touchflo was because some of these other programs such as ilauncher like to be installed to the device memory rather than storage card. I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that. I have no option to remove touchflo.
I was hoping that by describing what I was after people would recommend something that fits the bill. But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of. There is some really nice work here on this site - so tempted to give it a go. I guess we all like different things so it's a matter of personal choice really. Key for me is functionality/responsiveness. It's no good if the interface gets in the way no matter how good it looks.
Off to read some reviews of roms on here now. I'll check out t.i.r element v5 as suggested by agent1001 first.

dude, stop fretting and just try out as many ROMs as you can...and remember to search and read a LOT! it will help in the long run to build your concepts.
i have TWO more suggestions/clarifications for you:
1. you might have big fingers, but what i suspect is that you are using your device as if it has a capacitive screen...which it doesn't. the kaiser (like many htc phones) has a resistive screen. essentially, what this means is that the screen will respond best with a good amount of pressure, applied at a point. so the best suggestion i can give you that will tremendously improve your experience with the device is...use your finger NAILS! the effect is as if you are using a stylus and once you get used to it, any "GUI" will become usable.
2. what you call a "GUI" is not a GUI, technically. this is what chumleyex was alluding to. these "GUIs" run as today screen plugins. they are just that...they are "today screen plugins"...also called "home screen" in other contexts of discussion. you can have many such plugins installed on your device. you can even have many such plugins running at once on your today screen. however, some take over the today screen completely, so you can only use them exclusively. manila2d/manila3d, spb mobile shell, and quite a few others are such kinds of today screen plugins. installing multiple such plugins only takes up storage space. RUNNING multiple such plugins is like running many applications at once...which will consume memory and may slow down the phone, etc, etc.
as always, you should have read the forum rules...which clearly state that "best of" threads or "suggest me a <insert requirement here>" style threads are against the forum rules. which leads me to believe that you probably haven't read the other "stickies" and "wikis" either. start there and then you'll find yourself asking a lot less basic questions that clutter up the forum. don't be surprised if this thread is closed soon by a forum mod. cheers.

Thanks ASCIIker - screen is more responsive with more pressure. Guess I was worried about cracking it.
I did do loads of reading before posting - mainly to do with how to, hard spl, soft spl, roms, radio threads. Sorry if I missed the bit about asking for recommendations.

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I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that.
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I get the feeling that you think those fancy things in full custom ROMs are taking up space. they are not. and not using them, disabling them, or deleting shortcuts from start menu would do the same as uninstalling.
you've got:
flash memory - (ROM)
int. memory - think about it as HDD: depends, typicaly little over 100MB
RAM, operating memory, like on PC another 100MB: to be used by progs.
those names differs, to add confusion, some refers to int.memory as ROM
MS bloatware & fancy stuff from custom ROMs which you don't want could still rest in peace in ROM and not bothering you. you'll still have your 100MB int.mem. And as long as they are not actively running you still will have 100 RAM and no processor power used. but exactly like mentioned every plugin on today screen means it's running too. get an fdc task manager or alternative to see all processes and other stuff running. (not just tasks) You can find a way to disable nearly everything.
I have no option to remove touchflo.
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I don't think there is any. even with ultra lite, i could be mistaken with this, but i tried hard and it looks like it's part of required htc drivers. so you only could disable it...at least! i hated it too no matter about fingers. it seems better on htc pro2 anyway.
But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of.
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yep, the look would be the main difference i'll say.
but if you want functionality/responsiveness, than you probably better stick with using start button and today screen without unnecessary additions.
* installing on SD card means it will go much slower and (at least on my kaiser) will sometime create errors on card from crashed apps and when I dropped phone or it died w/o shutdown or when contacts on SD card get loosed. many times I even lost complete SD contents.
You have 100MB of int.mem!! it would love to be used by progs.
I suggest you to try all of available and up-to-date custom ROMs then after getting an idea of what is doing what, just mix your own rom. it's a matter of check-in what you want inside basically. and you can add your own stuff too. like programs you buy or are not in any ROM. I have over 110MB of programs fitted in ROM and still 100MB int.mem. and speed of the device and ram is not affected too, because i let only 3 - 4 apps from that running in background.

Well I've tried flashing it and had to visit the toilet as things didn't go well.
I flashed with a lite rom, plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install a nice front end/today screen/touchflo etc to the device when I settled on one I liked.
Rom flashed fine - quite like it.
Radio didn't go well. Got stuck at the dreaded tri coloured screen.
Mtty.exe didn't recover it either.
Visited toilet.
Flashed back to standard rom from manufacturer. All now back up and running.
Have changed underpants.
At least I was able to use the info on here to get it back up and running OK.
Problem was a write error flashing the suggested radio - at 99% got an error 226.

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plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install
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check my previous post.
try flashing from SD card, a lot of troubles with cable/pc/connector
format small (256MB) SD card with FAT32,
rename ruu_signed.nbh file to KAISIMG.NBH place on root of SD
hold camera button and start or reset pda

I think to be honest I'm a little paranoid about keeping the device memory free. The reason is my wife has an O2 Orbit which was running wm5. It has been updated to WM6 and she has very little free storage memory at all on the device to the point where we have struggled getting some programs installed. I know most give you the option to install to storage card or device, but some don't. Also the ones that do install on the storage card often put some files onto the device, such as help or configuration files.
I know this HTC has a lot more memory so it probably isn't an issue in reality.
I'm up to speed about the different types of memory and whether an app is consuming processing power or just storage space depending upon if it running or not. I just didn't have a chance to read your reply before I posted- wife wanted the PC back. And I was relieved just to have the phone back working.
Papo - thanks for you help. Really appreciate it.

I had my tilt for 2 years and never worried about memory.

OK, flashed the phone a couple of times yesterday and I've now found a rom I like a lot. Even the GUI - touchflo - works like a dream and with the programs that came with the rom I can even customise it how I like. It's smooth, quick and I am yet to discover a bug.
I'll give it a run for a couple of weeks and if I decide to keep this then I'll donate.
Interestingly I flashed back to stock rom from T Mobile through links I found on here. Worked without a problem, provided a 6ft+ 16stone bloke is happy with everything in pink. So I then flashed back to the standard HTC rom wm6.1 and had lots of problems. Basic things like selecting tick boxes didn't even work well.
I understand that everyone wants different things from their phones, how they look etc and that is why it is impossible to say which rom is best. But through this site, I have a customised phone that runs so smooth and quickly and looks damn smart. So at the moment I am well chuffed.
The only really difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them and the backup I took was incomplete as I only backed up the sim and not the phone. D'oh. Anyway I've now sorted this out as I found all the old contacts in outlook deleted items. I restored them back to the contacts folder and synced them again and it's all now back up and running.
Off to have a play
If she lets me I may even flash the wifes O2 Orbit XDA. It's been upgraded from wm5 to wm6 and the new rom leaves very little free memory on the device itself and we do struggle at times getting some software onto it. The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device. I have manually moved it back to the SD card and made new shortcuts etc, but I feel a new rom from this site would be the way to go.
Thank you to all who helped me.

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difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them
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activeSync & outlook played tricks on me too, deleting or doubling all contacts... even easier than backing up by backup program, is to copy 'RAW' database in pda before re-flashing. it's all in one file called PIM.VOL in root of phone. calendar is there as well. you can copy this to SD and upon reflashing copy back to root of pda and see what PC's outlook will have to say to it. or just keep on SD as 2nd backup.
note, the file may be locked by running programs (contacts, messages, home plugin) kill them from taskman in that case.
The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device.
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tomtom app is two files tomtom nav.exe and data.chk, put them anywhere you like and the rest, config files, will be created by it.
but it runs really slow from SD. and taking 13MB, so again, it's best to have them in ROM.