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Hi all,
We developed software that suits well on 2020 and 2020i. Yesterday, I noticed that the Qtek 2020i isn't available anymore!
Now we are looking for an alternative device that has the same functionalities as the 2020i WITHOUT any fragile keyrboard.
What we need is:
- GSM / GPRS
- Bluetooth
- SD-cardslot
- 3,4 " screen
- Camera on board
What are alternative devices on the market??
Sam
Charmer, Prophet, Wizard are the HTC devices currently available, see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_PhoneModels
The processors are < Alpine. I think Prophet is the only one with a full size sd. All are WM2005.
Or have a look at your local www.expansys.com site.
Hi Kevino,
kevino said:
Charmer, Prophet, Wizard are the HTC devices currently available.
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Charmer: only has 2.8" screen
Prophet: only has 2.8" screen
Wizard: only has 2.8" screen AND keyboard
kevino said:
Or have a look at your local www.expansys.com site.
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I did this also and noticed E-ten, but they all have a 2.8" screen... :?
Any other suggestions?
Sam
Oops, diddnt notice the screen size
Don't Mio do a 'fullsized' one. The 701 has 2.7" but I thought there was another. Did a quick google but I couldn't find it.
[EDIT] Looking at http://www.mio-tech.be/products/ looks like if they did it is discontinued
i am also searching for an alternative. the alpine is almost 2 years old and the most companys just won´t to build in an 520mhz processor like in the alpine. so what is the improvement?? 3.2 inch display is also ver rare...
Has anyone of you got a device with less than 520mhz and uses powerful gps navigation like igo? what is your experience? is 400mhz (not to mention 200mhz) with windows mobile 6 enough?
I can´t belive that i have to pay 500 bugs to get a device with a new OS and LESS mhz!!!
by the way...the universal is much to big for me.
please post your opinions!!! thx.
I have the same opinion. I also don't want to buy slower device...
I have a Panda (P6300) on order. The specs are similar and the form factor nearly identical
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=735&id2=164
I'm not familiar with the Alpine, but a lot of reviewers are calling the Panda a throwback, or retro device and mentioning it in the same breath as the Alpine.
The Panda is only running at 400Mhz, but perhaps the reported speediness of WM6 might help to make up some of the difference in that regard, as compared to the Alpine's 520Mhz processor. It ships with WM5, but there is speculation that HTC will offer a WM6 upgrade.
panda?
hi, the panda seems to be a really good device.... where did you order it?? and how much?? thank you very much for further information!
I ordered mine from Dynamism. They don't carry them so it was a special order. It only took them 5 days to get it there, and they shipped it to me on Friday. I should have it Tuesday. I've seen them around from $629 - $749US. Mine was right in the middle, though I can't quote you an exact price as it was special order. You can call them to find out what they would charge you.
I hope it is good device. It is nothing fancy and has drawbacks, but it should serve me well so long as it does well what it is supposed to do.
Good Luck!
Why don't we try to get the WM 5.0 out of the panda and try it in our ALPINEs
Did any one try to do that ?
BT have a new one out aimed at the Corporate user who missed something similar to the XDA2i with its larger screen. Cant remember what it is called but it is the same form factor as the XDA2i just WM5 and a better camera. Made specially for them by HTC.
The new o2 one with a 3.5 inch screen is called the XDA Argon basically an updated XDA2i, think it came out in July
These are some of the Kaiser's internals.
Here you will find the diagram of it:
DIAGRAM
This is the page I found this on:
Qualcomm MSM7200Chipset In Kaiser
Lemme know what you guys think!
interesting that its chip supports video out but they did not add it in the hardware.
magnamar said:
interesting that its chip supports video out but they did not add it in the hardware.
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yes, the chip in the 8525/TyTN supported gps but did not support it.
the mogul has the 7500 chip which supports the same as the kaiser but the device doesnt support it all.
KaiserLinux said:
These are some of the Kaiser's internals.
Here you will find the diagram of it:
DIAGRAM
This is the page I found this on:
Qualcomm MSM7200Chipset In Kaiser
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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I am sure this has to do with the carriers network supporting this bandwith upload feature.
iservealot said:
I am sure this has to do with the carriers network supporting this bandwith upload feature.
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Well, everything will turn out once Kaiser will hit the shelves and people start using it, and sharing (hopefully) their thoughts about it...
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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I suspect this will have a lot more to do with Microsoft's WM6 not ready to cope with these kind of 3,5G / 3,75G protocols.... (correct me if i'm wrong)
So that should also mean that future upgrades (AKU's i'd suspect) might correct the lack of HSUPA
Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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As per the comment above, I definitely think it is based on the carrier.
The radio on kaiser runs L4/Linux Pistachio microkernel, you can read more information here.
Some pr0n for the linux geeks:
Code:
$ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux
M6500C L4/Linux
L4 Linux
NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [email protected] using gcc version 3.4.1
start_linux_cmd
vmlinux != NULL
vmlinux
vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0
start_linux
The radio on kaiser runs L4/Linux Pistachio microkernel, you can read more information here.
Some pr0n for the linux geeks:
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Thanks for this info! I am reading over it now.
im a bit confused on how it could run the l4 microkernel and windows 6 on it. I was hoping that I could somehow flash the device with a Linux embedded bootloader - > load a kernel that has support for both of these arm cpu's and board -> then load driver modules for all of the different radios and interfaces and drop some minimalistic OS on top of that. Does anyone know the feasibility of accomplishing something like this? Also how the l4 linux kernel can run side by side with wm6?
Think of the radio interface as a computer inside an another computer (the phone itself). The main CPU runs WM6 and interfaces with the radio which runs an embedded linux.
Wrong, on most phones you are correct, they have a cpu and the seperate communications processor. But the kaiser is unique in using the communications processor as the primary CPU for the entire device. So unless there is a seperate arm core (dual core?) inside it, how is it running both linux and wm?
That's the thing that is very interesting. Looking at the diagram the msm7200 board seems to have an ARM11 and an ARM9 cpu on it.
I coudlv'e sworn someone said that it might be a dual core...
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Also how the l4 linux kernel can run side by side with wm6?
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They can share address space on the same CPU,
wince is a 25bit OS.
Do you have the Kaiser phone ? Can you run haret on it ?
On handhelds.org it's mentioned that a guy named Kevin has modded the source code of haret for the MSM7500 chip. It's not working yet (internals of the chip is unknown), only the CPU gets detected. (more info: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET)
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As per the comment above, I definitely think it is based on the carrier.
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HSUPA is mostly being trialled by carriers. Most are still absorbing HSDPA.
Hey - Im a nubee and I was wandering if any of you can help with what you estimate the cost of the Qualcomm MSM7200 SOC to be. Its very impressive!
We are starting a new design and could be interseting.
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Wrong, on most phones you are correct, they have a cpu and the seperate communications processor. But the kaiser is unique in using the communications processor as the primary CPU for the entire device. So unless there is a seperate arm core (dual core?) inside it, how is it running both linux and wm?
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It still has a seperate communications processor, it's just in the same chip as opposed to a seperate package now. (See other comments).
I think it's something like 400 MHz ARM11 for applications, 274MHz ARM9 for comms.
Android on kaiser?
Lets start an effort to try to run Android on kaiser? I am sure it will be a huge task, but lets give it a shot.
I am not an embedded system expert, but I am sure we can get people to help us, maybe from the google team once we get serious.
Ok, so i have read a lot about the sluggishness of the kaiser and everyone saying that its crap.
Did HTC announce that there is no 3D acceleration hardware inside the Kaiser unlike the the Hermes with its ATI imageon chip.
If so what good are drivers if the hardware isnt there in the first place! or am I being dumb.
We don't know what HTC is doing. But there doing it wrong. They gonna loose many costemers cause of this. Hope there will be a fix in February/March.
And yes they said it does not support 3d. (While they said in a press release: They signed Qualcomm cause of the 3d support )
so drivers arent going to make a difference then are they?
thats what I dont understand, whilst its slow at changing the screen orientation, I dont really have any other issues with this device!
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so drivers arent going to make a difference then are they?
thats what I dont understand, whilst its slow at changing the screen orientation, I dont really have any other issues with this device!
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But the Qualcomm chip apparently has 3D... and try scrolling and/or TomTom
yeah ive been reading up on this chipset, the qualcomm MSM7200, does this mean that the people on this forum brand these phones as "rubbish"
HTC Wings
Toshiba Portege G920
HTC P6550
HTC Omni
HTC Nike
HTC Poliaris
HTC Erato
HTC Siruis
LG KS20
Every variant of the HTC Kaiser?
Please add the HTC shift to this list since it too uses the MSM7200 chipset
andaroo said:
yeah ive been reading up on this chipset, the qualcomm MSM7200, does this mean that the people on this forum brand these phones as "rubbish"
HTC Wings
Toshiba Portege G920
HTC P6550
HTC Omni
HTC Nike
HTC Poliaris
HTC Erato
HTC Siruis
LG KS20
Every variant of the HTC Kaiser?
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Have you read http://HTCClassAction.org? Most of this driver blurb is on there.
Where can I look/read what kind of GPS Chip run in my diamond?
Is it true thats two different chips have been build-in?
Does nobody know this information?
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
blufade said:
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
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Shure - I ve checked wiki and another blogs and I know this information about Qualcomm, thx.
But I wanne know where I can read in my diamond what kind of chip I have.
I´ve read it in a another forum (about 2 versions of chip´s) and I think that was the answer why first Diomonds release work with bad Sat fix and newest edition work´s fine.
on your diamon huh ?...from what i know, neither winmo nor the htc manual reports any info regarding the gps chip, plus i've never come across any s/w that could read gps specifications directly, have you checked out the htc repair maual, actually it has pretty much all info regarding the hardware.
i don't know if htc would alter the gps chip, maybe its just that the newer diamonds come with a better radio s/w...
Someone knows if exist a software that let our android powered phone compatible and working with ANT+ Technology?
for the pwople that doesn't know here the link http://www.thisisant.com/technology
Is a new protocol of communication data that is starting to be used in a lot of sport oriented devices, as the device for cycling. Exists something similira to this for the iphone.
From what I've found ANT+ is a proprietary standard. An industry-wide competitor is being flushed out in the 'Bluetooth Low Energy' protocol.
I'm thinking the first question before software is whether the 2.4Ghz bluetooth antenna in the G1 is compatible. I'm assuming not.
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From what I've found ANT+ is a proprietary standard. An industry-wide competitor is being flushed out in the 'Bluetooth Low Energy' protocol.
I'm thinking the first question before software is whether the 2.4Ghz bluetooth antenna in the G1 is compatible. I'm assuming not.
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I saw a software with an hardware that is working perfectly with iphone.
http://www.smheartlink.com/
http://www.smheartlink.com/products.html
That's why i asked. But the 2.4 ghz is not a wifi technology that can be used with the wifi receiver?
Thank you for your information.
I'd also dearly love to see an Android app that is ANT+ interoperable, even if additional hardware is required (as with the iPhone).
I'm sure there's bunches of Android users out there with Garmin heart rate monitors, etc. that would love to be able to use our phones as one-stop phone-music-podcast-gps-heartrate devices.
As a new user, I can't post links yet, but you can find tons of iPhone-and-ANT+ examples if you google ANT+ iPhone.
As seen here (the legend in this case), phones containing the WiLink chipset. ANT+ is now integrated into Android phones with the Texas Instruments WiLink™ chip.
I too use my phone almost daily for multi-sport activities, and would like to see my cadence, Heart Rate, ect recorded along with the speed and location. If anyone has more info, please share!
Does anyone kow of a list of phones from HTC that have the WiLink chip?
HTC models with TI WiLink chip for ANT+
Here's a list of current HTC models which use the TI WiLink 6.0 chip. Via HTC's main office in Taipei:
"These are the phones that use Texas Instruments Chip Set. Probably they also use this chip for WLAN but nothing we can guarantee. P3400i P3470 P3401 P3400 P3301 P4350 P3300 p4300 p4351 s621 s320 S710 S620 S310 s411 Ted Baker Touch Touch 3G Touch Viva rest of our phones using the Qualcomm processor."
As you can see, no Android models are listed. Bad news for those of us hopeful for switching on ANT+ connectivity.
The press releases surrounding the Tour de France project which used HTC Legends contain incorrect statements. The Legends used were said to be "Off-the-shelf" models which had a special firmware update to activate the ANT+ connectivity of TI WiLink processors.
HTC Legends off-the-shelf use a Qualcomm processor, not Texas Instruments. The HTC Legends used in the TdF had TI WiLink chipsets onboard. How that was so is a mystery.
Motorola Droid and Droid X use TI WiLink 6.0 and 7.0 processors, respectively. The 7.0 chip is ANT+ ready and just needs an app, which there are currently none in the Market.
The code that were used during TDF was this
http://code.google.com/r/sandordornbush-release/source/browse/
I would love to have ANT+ in my android phone
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Here's a list of current HTC models which use the TI WiLink 6.0 chip. Via HTC's main office in Taipei:
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you got it all wrong
those models use the TI CPU, TI OMAP to be exact
don't you see the difference between CPU and I/O controller chip?..
@GenT,
The information I posted was directly cut and pasted from correspondence with HTC. I am not a hardware expert and wouldn't know if the information/terminology supplied to me was consistent or not.
What I want is an ANT+ compatible Android device like the HTC Legends used by team HTC Columbia in this years Tour de France. I went on a mission to find out which HTC models were capable based on press releases from ANT+ and Texas Instruments. Statements in those press releases were inconsistent with HTC's current Android model specs on their website. This led me to contact various departments within HTC for answers.
According to email I received from HTC, the Legends used in the TdF had one-off hardware modifications using TI's WiLink chipsets, and are not available to consumers just yet.
Bottom line, HTC said consumer-ready ANT+ connectivity solutions do not exist for their current Android lineup.
Sent from my OD 4.0.36 modded HTC Desire using XDA App
BT and ANT+ Sensor Tech in Mobile Phones Today
I've written a blog post to cover all I could dig up on this subject as it currently stands today. "BT and ANT+ Sensor Tech in Mobile Phones Today"
Thanks,
David