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Ok, I will preface this by saying I am a veteran of Wallaby upgrading. I had one of those for a long time and probably used two dozen different ROMs on it. I cooked my own, and I nearly paper-weighted it or the radio stack a gillion times. I can definitely figure things out for myself.
That said, there is very little useful information as to how the upgrade process works with the Blue Angel. For those of us in the US on Cingular with the SX66, we have no update out at all, and we're very much stuck.
Things I don't get:
1. Extended ROM. Actually, I know what it is. What I don't know is, because it exists, does that mean that the base ROM is completely carrier independant? In other words, if I take an Imate or Qtek ROM and install that, but keep my carrier's Ext ROM, will things be the same? (assuming the same language, WWE) Are the base ROMs ever updated, or is it the extended ROM?
2. Where are the tools? The wiki is very out of date, and I don't know what the proper tools are to use. Do I write to an SD card, or do it over USB?
3. Is the radio stack updated by a first run program on the device itself, or is that done from the computer? Do RSU updates come with base ROM updates?
4. There seem to be new security measures taken to hinder our tinkering with the ROMs. How safe is it to change things (for purposes of "going back")? I dunno what else to ask about this...
Feel free to answer any or all of these questions, and for the love of God, don't tell me to search--I did.
Well said, but good luck getting answer around here.
I'll give it a try, but some answer could be plainly wrong, since I don't have a blueangel.
Blueangel and himalaya upgrading are very similar so this page is not so outdated:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaRomkitchen
But the mayor problem is indeed the new encryption method used :
ER2003edit or xda3nbftools don't support it (yet)
thus :
* you can't change the countrycode/language anymore
* you can't change the extended rom ms_.nbf
but the extenderomunlocker still works for Blueangel, although you have to use the Blueangel version, so after an upgrade, you can still manipulate the extended rom on your pda & hard reset.
BlueAngel Extended Rom unlocker
Blue Angel Romkitchen thread
thread about the new encryption
Answers :
1: You probably will get a country code error if you try a nk.nbf from another provider. Base roms and radio rom do get upgrades, but I don't know which one are already available for blueAngel. Base and Radio are carrier independant.
2 : Tools : see links above
3 : see himalayaRomkitchen
4 : You can make a backup on SD, but can't seem to find a link right now.
Dear All,
I would like to share a bit more information on what I found regarding 2.21 IPL/SPL behaviour.
1. Now it is impossible to backup the rom from another machine with pre-2.21 ROM and then try to flash it into the machine by SD Card (i.e. use console mode to connect to the pre-2.21 ROM machine, execute r2sd, then push the SD card to the 2.21 machine w/o CID unlock and boot into flash mode (camera button), it will say 'Not allow update' in the status bar)
2. Now it is also impossible to backup the rom from 2.21 machine using console mode (i.e. r2sd), thus I got no way to extract 2.21 IPL/SPL from my machine. Again this is assumed the machine is not CID unlocked. Machine will say 'not enough security level blah blah....'
3. So what I want to know is- If a machine which is pre-CID unlocked, upgraded to ship rom 2.21+
a. is that still possible to dump the firmware out with r2sd?
b. Also will it accept rom flash in SD card dumped out from other pre 2.21 machine?
Hope we could sort out a solution to free all 2.21+ guys
Someone says its also related to the G3/G4 chip (version # 2.21.0001 means G4, .0000 means G3??) I have no clue on what is that though- anyone can provide us some enlightment?
William Yeung said:
Someone says its also related to the G3/G4 chip (version # 2.21.0001 means G4, .0000 means G3??) I have no clue on what is that though- anyone can provide us some enlightment?
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No, they are just the software version and dont have any relation with the Chip.
Result from JAFWM
Open nk.nbf file with JAFWM v2.2 (Dopod Official Rom)
here is the result.
William Yeung said:
Dear All,
I would like to share a bit more information on what I found regarding 2.21 IPL/SPL behaviour.
1. Now it is impossible to backup the rom from another machine with pre-2.21 ROM and then try to flash it into the machine by SD Card (i.e. use console mode to connect to the pre-2.21 ROM machine, execute r2sd, then push the SD card to the 2.21 machine w/o CID unlock and boot into flash mode (camera button), it will say 'Not allow update' in the status bar)
2. Now it is also impossible to backup the rom from 2.21 machine using console mode (i.e. r2sd), thus I got no way to extract 2.21 IPL/SPL from my machine. Again this is assumed the machine is not CID unlocked. Machine will say 'not enough security level blah blah....'
3. So what I want to know is- If a machine which is pre-CID unlocked, upgraded to ship rom 2.21+
a. is that still possible to dump the firmware out with r2sd?
b. Also will it accept rom flash in SD card dumped out from other pre 2.21 machine?
Hope we could sort out a solution to free all 2.21+ guys
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the anser to your question on point 3.a is yes.done it myself.now reflashing your device with another ones dump it may cause problems because it also flashes back the cid [whatever state it is] and since every device has a unique cid code that is related to the imei it may cause problems like the dreaded DATA CRASH one,but in other hand it could work.u just have to try to find out.if you need a unlocked dump let me know a got one ready to install.
How about the bootloader mode test result? anyone could provide?
Well I think there is a way and may be summitter can tell better.
one use typhoon nbf tools and remove the CID and save the nk.nbf and flash it to device.
secondly dump the rom parts with typho5 and just make a custom ROM with the same IPL/SPL with a new CE ROM...
I hope I am correct
That wont work, you have to try it out yourself. The main issue is if you got a machine comes with 2.21.0001+, then r2sd would not work. This is the essential step for any rom dump operation so far.
Typhoon NBF is even worse because since 2.0 (AKU 2) rom its not able to read by Typhoon NBF.
*faria: Is that mean you can still use r2sd to dump your rom even after your machine upgraded to 2.21+ ROM? Then if there is an O2 Mini S with such config updated, dump rom out, use typho5 to rebuild a new ROM without CID, chance is that we could use that to patch the unit with other rom versions.
William Yeung said:
That wont work, you have to try it out yourself. The main issue is if you got a machine comes with 2.21.0001+, then r2sd would not work. This is the essential step for any rom dump operation so far.
Typhoon NBF is even worse because since 2.0 (AKU 2) rom its not able to read by Typhoon NBF.
*faria: Is that mean you can still use r2sd to dump your rom even after your machine upgraded to 2.21+ ROM? Then if there is an O2 Mini S with such config updated, dump rom out, use typho5 to rebuild a new ROM without CID, chance is that we could use that to patch the unit with other rom versions.
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yes you can still use r2sd in any rom above 2xxxx,but i do not use r2sd for my backups/restores, i use [wizBackup] because it bacups to sd and pc without any conversion required unlike r2sd.
i just made a sd backup of rom 2.23 and restore with out any problems.
rebuilding any rom will not work in a machine cidlocked because when we build the roms it requires the cid field to be blank,if it was that easy any modified rom like [sumiters] would do because all of those roms have the cid field blank when they are converted with nbf connverter.
to be clear about the part of the cid lock that every one is trying to unlock is not in the rom ,it is in the machine in a diferent adress [place if you like] itself so until someone cracks the cid area of the new roms there not much you can do.the problem is noone has the tools for the new roms to bypass cid.
the lokiwiz tool patches the cid area of the device only it doe nothing to yor rom.
so if you try to install a patched rom the machine will compare the cid code in the rom with the one in the machine if it does not match it does not install.1 way arround it to buid you own rom and put the machine cid code on the rom ,the it will install .but that means u cannot create a universal rom, it has to be 1 rom per singe machine with matching cid number.
and yes u can use typho5 to decode/incode 2.xxx roms with any problems,i have been using it i my roms without problems.
Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Hi Raskal,
If "Wizard is not such a big problem", why don't you keep with the spirit of xda-dev and share your observations and results on the G4 issues with the board?
There are two major areas where I think you have an opportunity to contribute to the community:
1 - Can you assist in the modification of the nb2nbf tool so that both G3 and G4 bootloaders can be rebuilt into an image?
2 - We need some guidance on CID unlocking 2.xx. What have you found in the BL that has made the usual process ineffective?
I'm assuming that since you are a member here, you're willing to give as much as take like the rest of us. I have a great respect for what you have done with various phones of the years, and appreciate that you are in business. However I hope that while you're here you will contribute to the free flow of information.
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raskal said:
Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Hi Raskal,
If "Wizard is not such a big problem", why don't you keep with the spirit of xda-dev and share your observations and results on the G4 issues with the board?
There are two major areas where I think you have an opportunity to contribute to the community:
1 - Can you assist in the modification of the nb2nbf tool so that both G3 and G4 bootloaders can be rebuilt into an image?
2 - We need some guidance on CID unlocking 2.xx. What have you found in the BL that has made the usual process ineffective?
I'm assuming that since you are a member here, you're willing to give as much as take like the rest of us. I have a great respect for what you have done with various phones of the years, and appreciate that you are in business. However I hope that while you're here you will contribute to the free flow of information.
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I am reading this forum and i learned a lot from it. This is the reason i donate and will continue to donate as long as this forum is helpfull because the guys are handling this forum simply deserve it, webspace cost money, traffic costs money and they also spend a lot of time for the mainatance of the forum, time is money. This is my contribution sofar.
On other way, i am not a lover of freeware. My devices costs money because i also spend my time developing it, and i also have a company with 30 employees and i am responsable every moth at 30 to pay them their salary and assure them the salary for their next month. Also my partner is dealing with phones, do you not think i would be very sad when i see that our competition unlocking/debranding phones with OUR FREE SOFTWARE ?
All i want to say, i am willing share information, but i am not willing share any information regarding unlocking/debranding since it will affect my own buiness.
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summiter said:
raskal said:
Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Hi Raskal,
If "Wizard is not such a big problem", why don't you keep with the spirit of xda-dev and share your observations and results on the G4 issues with the board?
There are two major areas where I think you have an opportunity to contribute to the community:
1 - Can you assist in the modification of the nb2nbf tool so that both G3 and G4 bootloaders can be rebuilt into an image?
2 - We need some guidance on CID unlocking 2.xx. What have you found in the BL that has made the usual process ineffective?
I'm assuming that since you are a member here, you're willing to give as much as take like the rest of us. I have a great respect for what you have done with various phones of the years, and appreciate that you are in business. However I hope that while you're here you will contribute to the free flow of information.
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I am reading this forum and i learned a lot from it. This is the reason i donate and will continue to donate as long as this forum is helpfull because the guys are handling this forum simply deserve it, webspace cost money, traffic costs money and they also spend a lot of time for the mainatance of the forum, time is money. This is my contribution sofar.
On other way, i am not a lover of freeware. My devices costs money because i also spend my time developing it, and i also have a company with 30 employees and i am responsable every moth at 30 to pay them their salary and assure them the salary for their next month. Also my partner is dealing with phones, do you not think i would be very sad when i see that our competition unlocking/debranding phones with OUR FREE SOFTWARE ?
All i want to say, i am willing share information, but i am not willing share any information regarding unlocking/debranding since it will affect my own buiness.
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I'm pretty sure that nowhere in my message was there a request for free software.
We'll continue our efforts here as a community to share ideas and create working and free solutions for all.
Quick question - does your ROM collection include any of the custom ROMs created by and for folks here on xda-dev?
well, at least he donates a fair bit to the site... machinagod!! When can we see Lokiwiz 3.x with CID Unlocking!!?
i guess if machinegod and others, did not post is tools and info here,some companys would have a dent in their revenue. and then one would think....
why do i bother?!!!!
hjkl;' why no delete?
I have a newly bought Cingular 8125 in India. I would love to Upgrade that.
Though the box says it is for UK, I can use with the service providers in India.
I assume it is unlocked already.(is it really?)
This is my device information at boot:-
IPL: 2.25
SPL: 2.25
GSM: 02.25.11
OS: 2.25.11.1
I am planning to use Molsky.Biz ROM available here:-
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_WWE (G3 Device. IPL/SPL like: 2.xx)
I hope my device is G3.
Do I need to CIDUnlock my device? What is the FullUnlock?
Molsky.Biz says:-
" Also DO NOT FORGET to CID UNLOCK your Wizard. This is only possible with LokiWiz 0.2b and
IPL/SPL 1.xx, if you have a CID LOCKED Wizard with IPL/SPL 2.xx.0001 flash a G4 Rom !! "
But My IPL/SPL is not 1.xx as you can see above in my details.
What should I do to unlock? Do I need to do that at all?
and what is meant by AKU? Do I need that?
I sold my nokia and communicator to buy this phone. So dont want to brick it because of my ignorance!
Please guide me.
Many Thanks.
Read this thread and follow it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263116
Your phone is a G3. If the IPL and SPL has more than 2 digits after the first decimal (ie: 2.xx.xx) then it's a G4.
As for unlocking, that confuses the bejesus out of me.
I would say download the G3 ROM, figure out how to unlock your phone (if possible) and then you should be good to go.
You SHOULD be scared given all the threads around here from people who trashed their phones. And I'd bet few of them could give a straight answer as to why they wanted to do so in the first place. So before you do anything, define why you want to update the rom. Does it do something specific that you absolutely can't live without and makes it worth the risk of ruining the phone? Maybe a custom rom is a tiny bit faster but in a day's time, will it make any difference? Probably not, and an operator rom that's a tiny bit slower is still a LOT faster than a dead phone. Don't forget that the moment you start flashing with anything but an operator approved rom, you're out of warrantee. if you absolutely MUST update the rom, then start reading the link above. Every question you asked has already been answered here many, many times. Is your phone a G3 or a G4? Better know BEFORE you start. Oops...you're at 55% and your PC crashes...what do you do? Better know BEFORE you start. The phone reboots and won't go past the splash screen, what do you do now? Better know BEFORE you start.
Thank you all for the replies.
The main reason for flashing it to the new rom was speed and space considerations.
I was owning an XDA Mini earlier and successfully did the BigStorage and Rom updates.
But seeing many users bricking their wizard here and being not sure about the 'unlocking thing' i've decided to atleast not to venture into the bleeding edge atleast during my warranty period.
I know many questions might have been answered many a times, but the answers too are very contextual, they are different for different versions / models etc.
Hopefully I will do it sometime next year!
i would vote the warranty period is the best time to do it.. then you can tell your provider you tried to update their rom and now your phone dont work and let them send you a replacement...
Flashing isnt all that scary, the first time its a little nerve racking, but then again i like living on the edge...
So if your gonna do it, here is a quick simple explanation...
Downgrade to a 1.xx rom from the FTP site, after the your IPL/SPL should show 1.xx during boot up (mine actually differed, had IPL 1.xx SPL 2.xx and still unlocked just fine, some people claim to have issues though)
after successfully booting run lokwiz 2b (its the one i used) do the sim and supercid unlock.
Then reflash a stock 2.xx rom so that you are sure to get the updated bootloaders, after that has completed successfully then flash any rom you want..
its that simple, just a little time consuming
How to copy the cab file(enable rapi) to your device and run it before running lokiwi
Please disreegard below. Just found it.
Thanks..
I am kind of new in this.
I want to unlock the device but do not know how to
copy the cab file(enable rapi) to your device and run it before running lokiwiz.
I will appreciate your help on this so I can continue with the upgrades.
Thanks in Advance.
1 - Unzip lokiwiz02b.zip to somewhere (extract to c:\lokiwiz) in your computer
2. Connect your phone via ActiveSync to your PC . Browse your phone with File Explorer from your PC.
3 - Copy EnableRapi.cab to your Wizard (My Document)
4 - Execute the EnableRapi.cab in your phone. Wait for it to finish
5 - Guarantee that your phone is connected via activesync with the computer
6 - Execute lokiwiz.bat (from your computer run c:\lokiwiz\lokiwiz.bat, double click on that file) and follow the instructions on your screen...
7 - Select Option U to unlock your Wiz.
Hey guys,
just a small question here, how do I upgrade my spl/ipl from 2.21 to the latest, 2.26, without messing with my otherwise fine working 5._underground installation? tnx a bunch for any help!
btw, anyone interested how I flash my wizard and get it -fully- back in shape in under 30 mins? (yes, I mess my wizard up reguarly)
spl/ipl is not included in the underground rom(?)
flash a rom with the spl/ipl you want, then flash the underground again
Before upgrading your IPL/SPL be sure you don't have a G4 model. If so don't upgrade cause that would brick your phone.
make sure u know which version ur Wizard is, G3 or G4...after doing so, u wanna CID unlock your deivce, theres a sticky of how to do that...and in the CID unlock tutorial, it will tell u how to get IPL/SPL 2.26(good base for ROMS)...basicly u install the T-Mobile ship 2.26 ROM which has it...and after that, ur ready to move over to WM6 or any other ROM...
tnx
tnx for the feedback. too bad one has to revert back to the shipped rom, and then flash the pda again to use one's preferred os. Should have thought of that before I guess.
is it worth the trouble to get to 2.26 in stead of 2.21? What exactly does spl/ipl sw do?
IPL/SPL.. I think it is like.. Initial Program Loader and Secondary Program Loader? which is like the BIOS on your PC. In most cases, it will not cause any problems, many seems to be alright getting new ROM without touching the IPL/SPL. However, I think there are several cases with Underground WM6 that, you need a "strong" IPL/SPL for it to work. So, I guess it must be doing something. Just check the thread on your preferred ROM and see if others are fine using your current IPL.. and then you decide if it is worth upgrading.
sorry for my ignorance..
i just want to clarify something..
does upgrading to newer IPL/SPL version affects the speed of device?
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does upgrading to newer IPL/SPL version affects the speed of device?
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Interesting question.. as far as I know, there isnt anyone actually compared IPL before. Most IPL came together with new ROM as a package and when things went better (or worse), it is usually the ROM that takes the credit (good or bad). HOWEVER, even so, in some cases, the apparent speeding up of your phone is due to a `clean OS` rather than a `new OS`. Which is like what you get if you get yourself a new WinXp installed. Phone wise, it may be due to the plugin you've installed, the amount of files and contacts in your phone, etc.
As like what I've tested for my good old Charmer here, the result doesn't show much improvements on the new ROM, an improvements of approx 3-6% read/write speed are unlikely to be noticable. 6% is like people telling you that he/she can feel that the room temperature has dropped/raised by 1.5oC in a 25oC room, or tell you the speed difference between a 7200rpm 7632rpm(not exist) hardisk.
Crap aside. I dunno the answer to your question and I don't think there are any people who've tested solely on IPL/SPL performance without a ROM.
thanks for your explanation.. maybe someday we'll know..
consider IPL/SPL as the bios of the device, for those who know computer terminology, u can flash the bios of the motherboard, just as u can flash the wizard with a new ipl/spl as s base...hope u understand it...
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Interesting question.. as far as I know, there isnt anyone actually compared IPL before. Most IPL came together with new ROM as a package and when things went better (or worse), it is usually the ROM that takes the credit (good or bad). HOWEVER, even so, in some cases, the apparent speeding up of your phone is due to a `clean OS` rather than a `new OS`. Which is like what you get if you get yourself a new WinXp installed. Phone wise, it may be due to the plugin you've installed, the amount of files and contacts in your phone, etc.
As like what I've tested for my good old Charmer here, the result doesn't show much improvements on the new ROM, an improvements of approx 3-6% read/write speed are unlikely to be noticable. 6% is like people telling you that he/she can feel that the room temperature has dropped/raised by 1.5oC in a 25oC room, or tell you the speed difference between a 7200rpm 7632rpm(not exist) hardisk.
Crap aside. I dunno the answer to your question and I don't think there are any people who've tested solely on IPL/SPL performance without a ROM.
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ok.. here's mine..
i have IPL 1.01 and SPL 2.26
observe them.. they are different.. one is version 1.xx and the other one is 2.xx
as the people say here in xdev "wm6 is more faster and stable"..
it seems that for me its not..
because i always have lockups and my device is too slow..
Is it maybe because i have an old version of IPL 1.01?..
hhmm.. maybe if i try to upgrade to 2.26-IPL, my wm6 will result to "faster and stable ROM" as other says
or maybe because i came from a himalaya device wich has 400mhz compared to wizard that has 200mhz and thats why i feel slow to it??..
..I dont know.. just my thought..
Yeah, forgot to mentioned this. IPL/SPL does seems to affect WM6. If you read the Undergound WM6 thread, bit at the end, there are people suffering from .. splash screen hanging issues by not having an up to date IPL/SPL. The problem seems to be solved after that guy flashed his IPL/SPL with an official (if I remember correctly) IPL/SPL. This issue is a bit unique, as G4 Wizard doesn't have means of unlocking the CID (with out paying £ £), and hence, currently, flashing the WM6 only flash the ROM portion. Is yours a G4?
Mine is G3..
IPL 1.01
SPL 2.26
i think i have a version 2 bootloader because i have sucesfully flashed a 2.xx radio ROM..
Ill try to upgrade my IPL to something 2.xx and ppost the result and comparison wether they it changes the performance or not..
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Mine is G3..
IPL 1.01
SPL 2.26
i think i have a version 2 bootloader because i have sucesfully flashed a 2.xx radio ROM..
Ill try to upgrade my IPL to something 2.xx and ppost the result and comparison wether they it changes the performance or not..
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If I was you I would read the topic on unlocking the CID en flash it to 2.26
ipl / spl
Tnx Malik.
If it's anything like with a desktop, the bios would be worth upgrading only when experiencing hardware or performence problems. So when a new ROM comes out with new ipl/spl it's probably nessecary for the rom to work. I would say leave 2.21 as it is, but for double_ofour it's probably better to upgrade to bennefit from the newer roms and lock-ups may go away.
sounds logical?
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Tnx Malik.
If it's anything like with a desktop, the bios would be worth upgrading only when experiencing hardware or performence problems. So when a new ROM comes out with new ipl/spl it's probably nessecary for the rom to work. I would say leave 2.21 as it is, but for double_ofour it's probably better to upgrade to bennefit from the newer roms and lock-ups may go away.
sounds logical?
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u got it right for the most part, but u wanna keep it at 2.26, not 2.21
ipl / spl
I Agree 2.26 would be the newest and is apparantly not causing problems. After some flashing though i seem to have 2.21 now, wich allso works fine. dunno if downflashing to a shipped rom with 2.26 and then flashing again to underground rom is worth the trouble.
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I Agree 2.26 would be the newest and is apparantly not causing problems. After some flashing though i seem to have 2.21 now, wich allso works fine. dunno if downflashing to a shipped rom with 2.26 and then flashing again to underground rom is worth the trouble.
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i think its worth the trouble
Follow up about device performance when IPL/SPL upgraded
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296089
I have an unlocked Cingluar/Siemens BA that I have been using with Tmobile. I am not confident enough to update the ROM on my own through the info on this and other sites.
On Tmobile's website, if I choose the MDA as my phone I can download their latest ROM version of Windows Mobile 2003 (2.26.10.2). I currently have ROM version 1.32.10 WWE, so I am assuming this is an upgrade for me. Will this work if I try to do it on my SX66 or simply destroy it? I mean they are both running Windows Mobile right?? Again, Im not to keen on this stuff. Any info will help, thanks!
If you use standard, operator-provided upgrades, exectuable checks your hardware and will refuse to install on not supported device. But upgrade will be refused even in situation, when you have Qtek 9090 and try to upgrade with t-mobile MDAIII ROM even though those are identical devices and ROMs are 100% compatible.
SO: if you try to use not modified, original ROM, there is no big risk of failure, but also there is little chance of upgrading, until you upgrade exactly the same device, as was sold by the operator.
I propose you to read Wiki - you will find a lot of information and you will be able to rethink about upgrading to WM5.
One more thing... MDA's are Wizards, and SX66 are BlueAngels...
Totally different phones. The ROM will most likely break your phone. Check for the latest WM5 ROM in this forum for upgrade.
i realize the MDA is a wizard, but I figured since they are running the same software it might work. With that being said I guess you have answered my question. I guess I'll take my time and try to follow the info on this site and WIKI one more time. Thanks for the info.
T-Mobile MDA III is a BlueAngel.