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Great (working) software for HTC Kaiser

I thought it would be nice to have a list of software that can make this wonderful machine even better.
All software in this post is tested by me and rated "good" to "even better"
DinarSoft MemMaid 2.0 (Build 95):
Wonderful easy-to-use tool to free unused memory and clean some crap, like PIE history, cookies and cache. Also rebuilds the notification db to make sure there are no more dangling or double notifications.
has a "quickclean " function.
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link: DinarSoft website
MT Software TodayAgenda Beta 1.0 (freeware):
Great replacement for the built-in today plugin for the agenda. Highly customizable and therefore a great help in organizing your today screen!
link: TodayAgenda website
PocketCM beta v0.13 (freeware):
Great replacement for built-in ContactManager. Makes it fingerfriendly and gives it a Touch-style. Skinning is possible and even several settings can be adjusted to fit your needs.
link: PocketCM website
pocketMax phoneAlarm v1.61.1:
Unbelievable! Add (phone)profiles to your kaiser. Fully skinnable and highly customizable! Switch profiles based on location, agenda, time or manually. Start bluetooth/wlan/data connection/any program automaticaly when switching profiles.
link: pocketMax website
ReenSoft PIEPlus v2.2:
Extension for PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer) to add tabbed browsing and some other small advantages.
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link: ReenSoft Website
Resco Explorer 2007 (v6.15):
Superb file explorer with integrated registry editor (plugin). Browse your files in PC style.
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link: Resco Explorer website
Resco Keyboard v4.37:
Great alternative SIP keyboard! Supports keystrokes, shows a lot of keys in a small space. Supports skins.
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link: Resco Keyboard website
SBSH.net iLauncher v3.0.05:
Great today plugin for shortcuts. Adds a great taskmanager to WM6 and has some more surprising features.
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link: SBSH.net iLauncher website
More software will be added soon!

Thanks for sharing!!!
Ill try some

working apps in my kaiser
Resco Explorer 2007 v6
resco keybord pro
aekmap
Phone.Dashboard Battery Pack Pro 2.1.3
Phone.Dashboard.Minute.Tracker.v2.0.1
Resco Photo Viewer
WeatherPanel
PhoneWeaver.1.1
PocketMusic[1].4.2.6.Bundle
Pocket.Player.v3.2
DivXPlayer.v.0.86
pTravelAlarm
Spb Backup
SPB GPRS Monitor
Spb Mobile DVD
Pocket.Mechanic.v2.60 pro
DrYAR-Bluetooth 1.6 wm6
Destinator 6.1
DESTINATOR 7
GPS Tuner
IGO 2007
Memory Map os
TrackyPro.v2.1
GpsGatePPC_v2.5
GPSdash2
handy menu
HandySwitcher.v2.7
I LAUNCHER3.05
Dinarsoft.MemMaid.v2.0
Opera v865
Battery Status v 0.03-04
SMS_Scheduler
Tweaks2k2NET v3250
PPCPimBackupV2.5
TaskMgrv2.7
Tcpmp
photocontacts pro_v50
wisbaradv2_2..8.0.2
wisbardesktop_1[1].3.0.5
SoftKeyAppletEx
sipchange 1.0
papadi.helleniccalendar.1.1
winrar -pocket rar
SJphone
and some games
BackGammon v2.0
Mummy.Maze.for.Pocket.PC.v2.1
Spb Arkaball 2
Spb Xonix 2
Spb Bubbles
Astraware Hellfire
krally_v1.00
The_Travel_Collection_1.9
Virtual Pool Mobile
xonix 1.4
Ziogolf2.PPC
most of theme u can find in http://www.ipmart-forum.com/
u have just to register

Here is a really useful link..... it is for the TyTn ((I)) but its a great spot with cabs and links that you may find helpful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319468
- Jeff

can anyone recommend an application for keeping your checkbook ledger on your kaiser? I had a palm based PDA (a sony clie) and left it in a taxi three weeks ago. I have been waiting for the AT&T Tilt version of the kaiser to come out to replace it. I had a wonderful free application on my PDA that allowed me to enter ATM withdrawals, debit card transactions, deposits, checks, etc. for up to 3 different bank accounts. After inputting an entry, the application would automatically add or subtract the entry from my balance. Anyway, it was just a free piece of software I downloaded from Yahoo about 3 or 4 years ago and it worked great. I figure there should be something similar out there for the kaiser. Can anyone help me?

I use SPB Finance, not free

i just checked it out. It looks like what I'm lookinmg for. i assume you find it worth the price? $25 doesn't seem too bad.

I would say ... Pocket CM Keyboard is the best for SIP (soft-keyboard) ...
- You can have your own keyboard layout !
- Skinable (very easy to make)
- Release to register key type (nice!)
- Free
- Dictinary support
http://www.pocketcm.com/
Because of this keyboard, I dont use the built-in sliding keyboard anymore
check this in action :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0Zhys5tWE
I can do the same

gogol said:
I would say ... Pocket CM Keyboard is the best for SIP (soft-keyboard) ...
- You can have your own keyboard layout !
- Skinable (very easy to make)
- Release to register key type (nice!)
- Free
- Dictinary support
http://www.pocketcm.com/
Because of this keyboard, I dont use the built-in sliding keyboard anymore
check this in action :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0Zhys5tWE
I can do the same
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I second this. I love it! Is there a way for it to be the default KB even after a reset?

I'm gonna give PocketCM a shot when I get home tonight. It looks like its worth a shot!

zaharakis said:
working apps in my kaiser
Snip
GPSdash2
Snip
most of theme u can find in http://www.ipmart-forum.com/
u have just to register
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How did you get GPSdash2 working? My copy crashes when I try to connect to the GPS receiver.

Thanks for sharing, PocketCM apps are excellent!!

agitprop said:
How did you get GPSdash2 working? My copy crashes when I try to connect to the GPS receiver.
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kaiser have on board gps.
i didnt make something special.just install and put serial .what is your problem?

jamespaulritter said:
I second this. I love it! Is there a way for it to be the default KB even after a reset?
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There is ...
... if you happen to have "phoneAlarm" ...
within the profile(s) settings ... there is an option to auto start a custom SIP ...^^ phoneAlarm ^^
I've also HAD "Tweaks2K2" allowed certain others KB progs too .. ( Phatware ...etc )
but it ^^ doesn't recognized Pocket CM Keyboard ...
Go with phoneAlarm and you CAN !!!

zaharakis said:
kaiser have on board gps.
i didnt make something special.just install and put serial .what is your problem?
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I installed the software, got the author to issue me a new registration code, and registered it.
The software starts and seems to be OK until I tell it to connect to the GPS, then it fails with:
GPSdash2.exe
ArgumentOutOfRangeException
Application::Run+0xf
?::?+0xa
This is version 2.58

agitprop said:
I installed the software, got the author to issue me a new registration code, and registered it.
The software starts and seems to be OK until I tell it to connect to the GPS, then it fails with:
GPSdash2.exe
ArgumentOutOfRangeException
Application::Run+0xf
?::?+0xa
This is version 2.58
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open the programme and go
Gps/configure and set
serial port COM 4
baud rate 115200
chipset CMC
protocol (is already) NMEA and ok.
then again i Gps/options/check ""auto connect"" and check
the litle icon of usb conection of the programme (down in shell tray beside the ""tool"") to be swithed of !
i believe must be connect now .
try it and tell me

jamespaulritter said:
I second this. I love it! Is there a way for it to be the default KB even after a reset?
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loop for SIPchange its a small program that changes the SIP 10seconds after a reset.

How about application switcher ?
I know that we can configure the close button to "not really" close, so then we can jump into running applications with it.
But I like something like the "alt-tab" button in Windows XP for example, that giving you visualization (application icon) to choose to which app you want to switch.
SPB Pocket Plus has this functionality and it is working fine.
Assign to a hardware button, and press it to switch to other app.
However, I dont like running SPB Pocket Plus just to get that application switcher functionality.
So, any good recommendation for this? I prefer a super light and stable tool ...
Thanks

madcow_mda said:
loop for SIPchange its a small program that changes the SIP 10seconds after a reset.
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Thanks a ton. Its woorking perfectly http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=271008

gogol said:
How about application switcher ?
I know that we can configure the close button to "not really" close, so then we can jump into running applications with it.
But I like something like the "alt-tab" button in Windows XP for example, that giving you visualization (application icon) to choose to which app you want to switch.
SPB Pocket Plus has this functionality and it is working fine.
Assign to a hardware button, and press it to switch to other app.
However, I dont like running SPB Pocket Plus just to get that application switcher functionality.
So, any good recommendation for this? I prefer a super light and stable tool ...
Thanks
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I WANT THIS TO BE LINKED TO THE USELESS WHEEL ON THE SIDE OF THE DEVICE SO YOU CAN 'SCROLL' THROUGH ALL RUNNING APPS. ANYONE EVER SEEN AN APP LIKE THIS?

Side to side comparison of Wizard & Kaiser + TomTom 6 on Kaiser (!)

Well.. I was looking at that video on youtube with TomTom on Kaiser.. and thinking - dman, no way it's that slow. So I made my own video, and, honestly, it's as smooth as you want it to be, but judge by yourselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHlk2pNIXhY
And here's the video comparison on iGo MyWay 2006 Plus navigation running same routes, at the same time, same config, on Wizard and Kaiser:
Wizard (left): WM5 stock ROM, no running apps. GPS disabled.
Kaiser (right): Dutty's v3 ROM, no running apps (aside from lots of stuff on today screen). GPS disabled.
Here's the vid (difference can really be seen towards the end of video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNdHJKcC3mk

DarkDvr said:
Here's the vid (difference can really be seen towards the end of video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNdHJKcC3mk
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The one on he right is the Kaiser, no? Seemed to have a better screen redraw rate than the one on the left (Wizard?).
So I made my own video, and, honestly, it's as smooth as you want it to be, but judge by yourselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHlk2pNIXhY
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As you say, seems quite smooth. Makes me wonder if we need to find a standard set of tests and start some co-ordinated testing.
Just out of interest, can you do the same thing playing back a small video (in TCMP or something). My old Hermes could play videos, but I have trouble getting my Kaiser to and I currently have only one device so can't exactly do side-by-side comparisons unless I speak to a friend... sounds like a plan...

It's a lot smoother because of the fact that you are running it at 200%...
redo the video at 100% instead

The one on he right is the Kaiser, no? Seemed to have a better screen redraw rate than the one on the left (Wizard?).
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Yep. Added clarification to the first post as well.
Cavey.co.uk said:
Just out of interest, can you do the same thing playing back a small video (in TCMP or something). My old Hermes could play videos, but I have trouble getting my Kaiser to and I currently have only one device so can't exactly do side-by-side comparisons unless I speak to a friend... sounds like a plan...
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Well, with latest CorePlayer I have no problems playing video.. so I don't think benchmark is that needed, it's very smooth and nice.

undac said:
It's a lot smoother because of the fact that you are running it at 200%...
redo the video at 100% instead
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Just tried it at 100% - absolutely zero difference for me, maybe even a bit smoother. You can take my word on it.

Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.

joshuah82 said:
Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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It does tell you before you get to the corner. I have used it a lot and no problems at all.

joshuah82 said:
Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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I didn't notice any autio cut-outs when using TomTom.. Although I use iGo pretty much all the time instead. It might be the voice setup, you know how it is... "in quarter mile..." "turn." "left."
I'd suggest before you buy TomTom try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006.. imho, it's better. The only drawback is that it doesn't get traffic from the web (only TMC antenna.. but u have to pay for TT traffic anyway if u're not in US).
iGo's interface is SOOOO much better.. besides, their maps are great.. California map has over 2 mil POIs and constantly updated.

DarkDvr said:
I didn't notice any autio cut-outs when using TomTom.. Although I use iGo pretty much all the time instead. It might be the voice setup, you know how it is... "in quarter mile..." "turn." "left."
I'd suggest before you buy TomTom try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006.. imho, it's better. The only drawback is that it doesn't get traffic from the web (only TMC antenna.. but u have to pay for TT traffic anyway if u're not in US).
iGo's interface is SOOOO much better.. besides, their maps are great.. California map has over 2 mil POIs and constantly updated.
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That may be normal operation. I've never used TomTom so I have no idea. Which I guess is why I asked. It just seemed like it should have said "in a quarter mile, turn left" and then "turn left" once you got to the corner.
I've read a lot on here about the voice cut out issue and wondered if that was an example of it or not. Apprently it isn't. Thanks for the answer.

joshuah82 said:
That may be normal operation. I've never used TomTom so I have no idea. Which I guess is why I asked. It just seemed like it should have said "in a quarter mile, turn left" and then "turn left" once you got to the corner.
I've read a lot on here about the voice cut out issue and wondered if that was an example of it or not. Apprently it isn't. Thanks for the answer.
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Tomtom 6 on my Kaiser says: "Turn left in, 300 meters" then "Turn left" just before I reach the turn. Haven't had any cut out problems after several days of use.

I just ran mine in demo mode at 200% and it's no way as smooth as yours. I wonder what the difference is? Do you have any of your own POI's added? Any other mods?

ladytoast said:
I just ran mine in demo mode at 200% and it's no way as smooth as yours. I wonder what the difference is? Do you have any of your own POI's added? Any other mods?
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I dunno what to say..
I have Dutty's V3 ROM.. lots of crap installed, actually, like PointUI, S2U2..
No POIs, its a new install of TomTom with their free basic map of my city. What else.. I closed all running programs before I started TomTom.. oh, and TomTom and the map are both on phone's memory, not on SD card.

DarkDvr said:
I have Dutty's V3 ROM.. lots of crap installed, actually, like PointUI, S2U2..
No POIs, its a new install of TomTom with their free basic map of my city. What else.. I closed all running programs before I started TomTom.. oh, and TomTom and the map are both on phone's memory, not on SD card.
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It may be because you have the basic map.
I have full TomTom USA maps, I have installed to SD card, I'm running Dutty's V3, and it's not as snappy as yours.
Hm.. maybe it does help to install GPS apps to storage instead of card because the card interface seems to be slow, but it's not possible to move the huge maps to storage.

True, that might have an effect, although I doubt it'd be that much..
Whatever the case, video was made to look at actual operation performance.. not at how fast my SD card is hehe..

My tomtom 6 runs just as smooth on my tytyn 2 with maps of western europe and the full USA map, what really causes tomtom to lag even on the stand alone ones is enabling lots of POI's that display permanently on the map. I use lots of POI's but I only use them to warn me if I am near one or just navigate manually to one.
Just go into the main menu, change preferences, enable POI's and disable all of them, tomtom should then run as smoothly as the video
Edit - My tomtom 6 is currently installed on the main memory and all maps on the storage card, did once put tomtom and maps on the storage card and made no difference to speed.
Forgot to mention my phone is the Orange UK Tytn 2 running all stock ROM.

Cavey.co.uk said:
Makes me wonder if we need to find a standard set of tests and start some co-ordinated testing.
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There was a link in the Happy User thread for a benchtest program. Probably not exactly what was intended, but it's a good start?
Clicky
FWIW, here are my results.
Results
Stock o2 ROM 1.82.206.1 WWE
ROM date 10/04/07
Radio 1.27.12.32
Protocol 22.45.88.07H
I think some sort of testing is in order, especial if legal action is planned, because you really should cover off this point. I find it curious that some people have extremely slow devices, whereas others seem fine. This does not suggest a driver issue, more some sort of conflict? AND YES I know that proper drivers would perform better, but its curious how all devices aren't the same and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the customised features. Or does it?

Radeon123 said:
My tomtom 6 runs just as smooth on my tytyn 2 with maps of western europe and the full USA map, what really causes tomtom to lag even on the stand alone ones is enabling lots of POI's that display permanently on the map. I use lots of POI's but I only use them to warn me if I am near one or just navigate manually to one.
Just go into the main menu, change preferences, enable POI's and disable all of them, tomtom should then run as smoothly as the video
Edit - My tomtom 6 is currently installed on the main memory and all maps on the storage card, did once put tomtom and maps on the storage card and made no difference to speed.
Forgot to mention my phone is the Orange UK Tytn 2 running all stock ROM.
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Yep, definitely having lots of POIs on the map would slow it down.. Thanks for your feedback regarding having TT on SD card vs Storage and having full maps. I didn't think it'd make much of a difference.
I have no idea why some of youtube's videos show TT running on Kaiser so slow. It's very smooth.

Steve-C said:
FWIW, here are my results.
Results
Stock o2 ROM 1.82.206.1 WWE
ROM date 10/04/07
Radio 1.27.12.32
Protocol 22.45.88.07H
I think some sort of testing is in order, especial if legal action is planned, because you really should cover off this point. I find it curious that some people have extremely slow devices, whereas others seem fine. This does not suggest a driver issue, more some sort of conflict? AND YES I know that proper drivers would perform better, but its curious how all devices aren't the same and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the customised features. Or does it?
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Unless I am misreading it - this proves the device outperforms the QTEk 9100 except for the fps rate?

It seems to outperform the 9100 on all counts! Unless a higher number on the fill rate is bad? I would really be interested in seeing one of the posters who say their device only barely crawls along doing this test and their results.

Pretty much same results, even a bit higher..
Test seemed very smooth, fps was very good as far as I can tell.
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Opera 9.5 Browser beta - 17th July 2008

New beta now available at http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/download/
However, doesn't work on my WM 6.1 Kaiser running Duttys... how about you?

Woo! Works perfectly on my WM6 ROM. No more hardware keyboard bug either.
Next thing that I'd really like is to be able to force text size smaller/set page zoom. I prefer small text but more of it than just a few big text lines like you get when doing a Google search... More like how you can do it on Opera Mini.
The SIP seems buggy too, it sems to reset it to the keyboard everytime. If I put opera in the background, set my other SIP again (Diamond Qwerty), switch back to opera, on the next time the SIP opens it will stay on the Doamond a second then switch to the default keyboard again. But it seems it's a bug they list in the known issues, so all is good...

Work on my TyTN II WM6.1 Original, but no flash support

hardylane said:
New beta now available at http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/download/
However, doesn't work on my WM 6.1 Kaiser running Duttys... how about you?
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Works fine with dutty's WM6.1 WWE ROM. Still using radio1.65.16.25

i thought mobile had a mouse pointer like mini. on my stock tilt the d pad only goes between hyperlinks. anyone else seeing this or know how to fix?

WARNING!!!
For those who haven't been hanging around the Opera forums, this release has a bug that will completely deactivate many notifications (SMS, e-mail, reminders,...) everytime it's launched!
So for those who try it, REMEMBER to review your notification settings after you're done if you don't want to miss alarms!
Posting this as it's not at all a function a browser should be touching, so one wouldn't expect that kind of thing at all.
The D-Pad thing is just how they've wanted it to be apparently. IMO there are many Mini features that should make their way into Mobile. Heck, Mobile should just be Mini without the intermediate server thing and running natively instead of Java. Mini is perfect apart from those 2 points.

do notifications return to normal after you exit the browser?

IE Bookmarks! Great. I hated having to create bookmarks every time....

lookn gud so far.....just hugs too much memory

kilrah said:
WARNING!!!
For those who haven't been hanging around the Opera forums, this release has a bug that will completely deactivate many notifications (SMS, e-mail, reminders,...) everytime it's launched!
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So that's what is screwing with my notifications!!!

I did not even have to open the browser and it messed with my settings. Thanks anyways I'll stick with the hacked build.

It really formats very badly compared to the HTC version.
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Here's more reasons why the HTC version is better. http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=437
Surur

kilrah said:
WARNING!!!
For those who haven't been hanging around the Opera forums, this release has a bug that will completely deactivate many notifications (SMS, e-mail, reminders,...) everytime it's launched!
So for those who try it, REMEMBER to review your notification settings after you're done if you don't want to miss alarms!
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jesus christ...thats for the info, i'll be sure to use my 9.5 build 1184 and not the beta from now on. i was wondering why the hell i wasn't able to see any of the new texts messages i was getting. i just turned on the notifications for texts and emails no more than 10 minuts ago. +1 for you

I was thinking it would be cool for someone to come out with some sort of fix that would allow you to use the scroll wheel on the side of the Kaiser for the purpose of dynamic zoom, similar to the way the Touch Diamond can zoom in and out dynamically with it's circular d-pad wheel.
Having to hold down on the screen to zoom manually is kind of annoying

mystic_nacho said:
do notifications return to normal after you exit the browser?
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No, that's the whole point of the issue. Apparently it's actually when you exit it that the notifications get cleared, as some people reported receiving them while using Opera.
surur said:
It really formats very badly compared to the HTC version.
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Well.. it's a Beta... and according to what Opera say they have customized the Diamond version specially for it so some aspects are improved.
I was thinking it would be cool for someone to come out with some sort of fix that would allow you to use the scroll wheel on the side of the Kaiser for the purpose of dynamic zoom
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I don't think this can be done without simultaneously switching the up/down D-pad keys to zoom as well, as on the Kaiser the scroll wheel is mapped to the up/down keys.

I also have the sound issue...switching back to previous hacked build.

I liked it 'til it turned off my notifications, it took me two or three times to notice that, heh. I just uninstalled it for now, I'll wait until a better version comes along.

hie guys well i dont think am gono touch this official opera better version so whats the best version you guys are using from this forum thanx i searched and saw a couple but with the way this forum goes theirs something new everytime so suggestions please

Yea on Dutty's Diamond V1 I just get "Installation Unsuccessful" when I execute the cab

lol I was getting pissed at my phone because the sounds kept turning off, now I know why... thanks

Benefits of 6.5 over 6.1

Good day all,
OK Can someone explain the benefits of 6.5 over 6.1? is it more stable? does it run faster? I am currently using PROven's ROM with 6.1. I love it. I am not a big fan of the look of 6.5 and would probably want to run it with Rhodiums TF3D on it. Is it worth upgrading if you dont really want the different interface?
Thanks in advance for any advice. I also apologize if this is somewhere (I am sure it has been discussed) and I just have not found/overlooked it.
Regards,
SoBBie
PS One last question... I noticed in a few ROMs that they are windows mobile 6.5 with both types of interfaces (the list of items and Rhoduims TF3D). Can someone explain to me how it can use both? would you have to turn off TF3D? is TF3D just one item in the list?

There are lots of benefits. One being that Windows Mobile 6.5 is now natively supports finger friendly swipes and gestures which are A LOT better then the TouchFlo gesture. Now you can swipe left/right to move through tabs, and everything is more finger friendly.
An example of this is the new Homescreen and the new Start menu. Many of the default apps have been rewritten to utilize the new finger gestures.
Also the menu systems have been updated to give bigger finger friendly areas to click on.
And it is pretty fast... really fast actually. Alot of the new OS uses transparencies and fade-in animations that really require a solid 2D performance from the graphics driver. I've found really good frame rates in games because of this.
It is heavily customizable too. All of the graphics are easily changeable. There are already a lot of creative skins coming out for WM6.5.
Overall it feels similar to WM6.1 but there are a lot of new toys to play with. The new native finger scrolling is fantastic and very "iphone" like. Once you play with Wm6.5 you'll never go back.
You can run all of your custom homescreens and such if you want... but I really like the default WM6.5 homescreen. Your question about running both the default homescreen and TF3D... I believe the answer is TF3D Detacher or using "Second Today". Using both would be overkill, since both do the exact same function (Weather, Shortcuts, Time, Pictures, Music, Calendar, Settings, etc).
There are some awesome themes though... I wouldn't jump to TF3D too fast. Check this theme out. It's what I'm currently using and it's awesome.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=504716
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Once you play with Wm6.5 you'll never go back.
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Not true of everyone. Personally I prefer 6.1 start menu and have not been able to find a way of changing the 6.5 one. To me 6.5 is nothing but a bunch of useless eye candy that's not worth the memory and battery drain. Even with disabling chrome and TF3D running nothing but a blank start screen battery still drains quicker. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Best way to find out is to try it yourself and see which one you prefer

OK First let me say thank you for the quick response. I do see that TF3d and winmo6.5 have the same functions. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that view just Titanium? Doesnt that act like TF3D? cant that just be disabled and allow me to use TF3D on it. I personally like the TF3D interface better. I like to be able to see a few appointments along with the time and notifications. From what I have seen I would have ot tap on the cal to view any appointments... otherwise I would just see the word Calendar.... not very useful to me.
So I should ask this question, can we get windows mobile 6.5 with ONLY TF3d? and if you take away the "Titanium" (to me that is a today screen) what are the benefits of 6.5?
I hope that makes sense.
Thanks again for your response,
SoBBie

wshader said:
Not true of everyone. Personally I prefer 6.1 start menu and have not been able to find a way of changing the 6.5 one. To me 6.5 is nothing but a bunch of useless eye candy that's not worth the memory and battery drain. Even with disabling chrome and TF3D running nothing but a blank start screen battery still drains quicker. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Best way to find out is to try it yourself and see which one you prefer
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Yes I know trying is probably the best way. I, like you, do not like the layout of 6.5. to me it doesn't show me the information that I want and I dont know if it would (until I try of course). I was hoping that I could get 6.5 explained more and my first post didn't word it correctly. As mentioned above I was hoping that titanium was just a today screen (like TF3D) which could be turned off. If it is not (which is what it sounds like) then I will most likely stick with 6.1.
Thanks again for your advice.
SoBBie

wshader said:
Not true of everyone. Personally I prefer 6.1 start menu and have not been able to find a way of changing the 6.5 one. To me 6.5 is nothing but a bunch of useless eye candy that's not worth the memory and battery drain. Even with disabling chrome and TF3D running nothing but a blank start screen battery still drains quicker. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Best way to find out is to try it yourself and see which one you prefer
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I absolutely agree with wshader here. I spent a couple days with 6.5 and could not get over not having my old start menu, recent programs list, etc. It took more work to do the things that I used to do with ease. It definitely was pretty though.

The main benefits for me is the gesture improvements over touchflo. Touchflo just stinks in comparison..
I don't use TF3d or the new wm65 menus - spb mobile shell it's my primary shell, and all I need on here.. give it a try if you haven't..
-mark

supersobbie said:
Yes I know trying is probably the best way. I, like you, do not like the layout of 6.5. to me it doesn't show me the information that I want and I dont know if it would (until I try of course). I was hoping that I could get 6.5 explained more and my first post didn't word it correctly. As mentioned above I was hoping that titanium was just a today screen (like TF3D) which could be turned off. If it is not (which is what it sounds like) then I will most likely stick with 6.1.
Thanks again for your advice.
SoBBie
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I know everybody else didn't answer your question, so I will . Yes, you can enable TF3D to be the only home screen running, and "Titanium" is able to be shut off. You can put any home screen you want.
Hope that answers your question!

wshader said:
Not true of everyone. Personally I prefer 6.1 start menu and have not been able to find a way of changing the 6.5 one. To me 6.5 is nothing but a bunch of useless eye candy that's not worth the memory and battery drain. Even with disabling chrome and TF3D running nothing but a blank start screen battery still drains quicker. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Best way to find out is to try it yourself and see which one you prefer
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the above post is very *right* and very wrong at the same time...
1. the start menu is different and can take some getting used to, but it IS customizable
2. this dude either had a bad flash or is lying about memory and battery usage.....BOTH ARE GREATLY IMPROVED IN 6.5.
3. the best thing you can do it to flash a 6.5 rom yourself and try it out...
i personally love 6.5 and will not be going back to 6.1. the benefits far outweigh the flaws. i will note, that 6.5 does have one major flaw that noone else seemed to mention....
all roms that i have tried thus far have a "corrupt ringtone" issue, which will cause WMA files set for text msg notification/ringer to simply not play sometimes....i've missed many a text because of this.....a simple solution is to make your own mp3 ringers.

yerp said:
i will note, that 6.5 does have one major flaw that noone else seemed to mention....
all roms that i have tried thus far have a "corrupt ringtone" issue, which will cause WMA files set for text msg notification/ringer to simply not play sometimes....i've missed many a text because of this.....a simple solution is to make your own mp3 ringers.
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Interesting, I noticed the same thing with my .wav ringtone. Must be the same issue. Good to know.
Back on topic - I agree with yerp, 6.5 is a keeper. No battery drain or memory consumption issues. Keep in mind everything is relative because of the number of custom roms and personal touches associated with each rom. Some battery drains and memory leaks are rom specific and not related to 6.5. Also, some programs just create havoc and have nothing to do with the rom. You need to test and stick with what works best. I have certain chefs I stick with, test others occasionally, but usually go back to the chefs I have had the best luck with.

I would agree to suppersobbie,
I love the classic WinMo today screen. It gives me a lot of information, ie: data traffic, appointment(s), and many more. It all completely basic, but necessary!
I have seen the Titanium Red Flaming theme, I forgot what it is, but it made me wanted to flash my rom.
I own HTC TouchPro, WWE rom, if I managed to flash my original TP, where can I download my original rom in case I want to reflashed it back to WM6.1?
I bought my TP in WM Store, it's official partner of Microsoft. the ROM is quite stable and everything work fine. Even it pre-installed with working youtube application,,, I will definitely missed this great rom if I flashed it.
I tried to google for this rom I had,,, but zilch,,, nothing shows up,,,

oh here, I found the kickass theme that made me to flash my TP, it called crimson darkness,,, haha it's not even flamming,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506925
seriously I want this on my phone,,,

OK first let me say thank you to everyone that has responded... And yes I was looking to know if there are improvements overall, which from a few people they say yes. It is also good to know the ringtone issue which I am sure would get annoying.
From what I can tell I will probably start to weed through the 6.5 ROMs and give it a try. I may even try to "cook" my first rom because they are never build exactly the way you want them. But if it improves TF3D performance (guestures) and I can use TF3D and not use Titanium I will give it a try. Who knows I may even try the titanium for a little while and see if I like it.
I did try spb Mobile shell 3 and found I did not like it... I posted my response to MS3 somewhere but it was not what I was looking for and was not as impressed with it as many were (Oh and I was a HUGE MS2 fan, with Greatbal's touchflow theme ) The thing that I did like about MS3 was the response... it was very very responsive which I did like.
Well I do appreciate everyones response and thanks again for ALL the great feedback.
SoBBie
PS this was my post on MS3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3684350&postcount=60

hah, me too,,, I dislike SPB MS 3.0 because it drains my fone battery for only about 16 hours,,, gawd,,, and I use my fone mainly for native MS pushmail, RSS download, and personal secretary,,,
I have found my original ROM, someone dumped it, surething that google is useful, and it will be more useful if you enter the correct stuff you want to find
Get ready to flash my TP,,,

supersobbie said:
OK first let me say thank you to everyone that has responded... And yes I was looking to know if there are improvements overall, which from a few people they say yes. It is also good to know the ringtone issue which I am sure would get annoying.
From what I can tell I will probably start to weed through the 6.5 ROMs and give it a try. I may even try to "cook" my first rom because they are never build exactly the way you want them. But if it improves TF3D performance (guestures) and I can use TF3D and not use Titanium I will give it a try. Who knows I may even try the titanium for a little while and see if I like it.
I did try spb Mobile shell 3 and found I did not like it... I posted my response to MS3 somewhere but it was not what I was looking for and was not as impressed with it as many were (Oh and I was a HUGE MS2 fan, with Greatbal's touchflow theme ) The thing that I did like about MS3 was the response... it was very very responsive which I did like.
Well I do appreciate everyones response and thanks again for ALL the great feedback.
SoBBie
PS this was my post on MS3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3684350&postcount=60
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by the way ENERGYROM 3.0 looks very good, comes with TF3D and no titanium, packed with tools, but if You want to try titatium then You have to look to other roms.

Bottom line for me is it IS faster in my opinion that 6.1 and the battery is MUCH better.

rorijam said:
by the way ENERGYROM 3.0 looks very good, comes with TF3D and no titanium, packed with tools, but if You want to try titatium then You have to look to other roms.
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Hummmm Energies ROM removed Titanium.... interesting.... Well I just flashed RRE ROM with manila (didn't realize it was not TF3D2 Rhodium but installing that now). Yea I played with Titanium for about 10 minutes this morning... NOT impressed at all. There is no info on the screen. to me it is kinda lame. I am sure you can configure it and play with it to make it a little better but TF3D2 works for me.
I will see how the Rhodium installs on RRE Rom and if I like it I may shoot over and try Energy's ROM. I have read that Energies ROM is a "Ferrari" and it eats up battery so not sure I would want that. even if the performance is better it would have to be significantly better for me to stick with it.
Thanks again all....
SoBBie

Here's my 2cents.
I liked the Touchflo3d, including the Rhodium etc. I kept loading it on my roms. I made cabs to fix annoyances etc. Customized stuff etc. Bottom line is TF3d is another wow app that fails at organizing my stuff. I wanted all the appts etc, easier way to customize my inportant info. But in the end it drained my battery, froze up, if I disabled it, everything ran faster plus freed a ton of memory. File explorer worked 100 times faster since I didn't have 5000 added files to my windows folder and the list can go on.
CHome displays my today stuff much nicer than 6.1 did. With a few add on's, I easily and light on files/memory now have
Pictures
Music
Phone
Voicemail
Favorite People
Weather
Time/Date
Text
EMail
Calendar w/appts etc.
IE w/favorites
Windows Live
And more comes out daily for widgets for your own needs.
It works super fast, no crashing, low memory, looks great with your own backgrounds etc.
In the end, I dropped TF3d and I'll never ever go back. I've since deleted all the cab fixes and stuff in the kitchen to install or waste my time with TF3d.
Just my 2cents. Good luck in whatever you decide on.
Did I mention that with the latest release 21222 so far, it is the fastest OS on any HTC i've ever owned & by far the absolute most stable. IMHO

supersobbie-
Cooking your ROM is probably the best thing you can do, it'll be faster than alot of the cooks ROMs. Like I said before, PM me, IM me, whatever, I'd love to help you cook your own ROM.
noellenchris was right, 21222 is the best I have tried so far, it's fast, and it is the most stable out of all the builds

Question. I flashed a 6.5 rom the first day I got my phone and tried for about 30 minutes to install opera mini but was unsuccessful. As that was the program I use the most, I went with a 6.1 rom so that I could have a working phone since I didn't have time to test 6.5. So question is are you able to install opera mini on 6.5? If so, I'll give 6.5 a spin again,
Thanks.

[IDEA] Winmo future ROMs idea

Hey guys I'm following the progress of the Windows Mobile 6.5 and Manila and you're doing a really good job but still there are parts of windows that look dated.
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Why do we need another huge area of 3 buttons when you can just put them in Manila...
To be honest I liked the old manila icons more but that's just my opinion.
So it would be nice if you make your ROMs something like I made (if it's possible)
I may not be the 1st one who thought of this but still..
tell me what you think
Cheers

The bottom bar is nothing to do with Manilla/Sense, this is Windows Mobile itself.
The HTC Manilla / Sense app could be written so that it hides the Windows specific bar at the bottom (in a similar way that the likes of SPB Mobile Shell etc do it) but that as far as I know would be the job of HTC to do, it it not customisable in that way by the cooks (correct me if I am wrong here).
Additional tabs I suppose could be added, but the 3 buttons would remain at the bottom, so it is pointless...
Hope that helps
Jason

Jason1978 said:
The bottom bar is nothing to do with Manilla/Sense, this is Windows Mobile itself.
The HTC Manilla / Sense app could be written so that it hides the Windows specific bar at the bottom (in a similar way that the likes of SPB Mobile Shell etc do it) but that as far as I know would be the job of HTC to do, it it not customisable in that way by the cooks (correct me if I am wrong here).
Additional tabs I suppose could be added, but the 3 buttons would remain at the bottom, so it is pointless...
Hope that helps
Jason
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I know the bottom part has nothing to do with Manila/Sense...
So lets do it like SPB Mobile Shell... It just doesn't look good and it's not practical...PointUI has a full screen option maybe Manila should be full screen.. like I've shown in the preview I made.

AFAIK, no one on these forums makes the interfaces. they are brought over from other devices and are made by htc.
as for the design, i prefer to use the call pickup button to bring up the dialer, but thats just me.
good idea though

ASK768 said:
AFAIK, no one on these forums makes the interfaces. they are brought over from other devices and are made by htc.
as for the design, i prefer to use the call pickup button to bring up the dialer, but thats just me.
good idea though
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Yeah I also prefer the call pickup button but in winmo you have the Telephone button down there too... talk about pointless lol anyway should I write HTC an email or something?

This could be done by users on this forum! Max' Manila Mod (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551489) is capable of displaying Manila full-screen - so it should be possible to hide the bottom bar.

MAMeingast said:
This could be done by users on this forum! Max' Manila Mod (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551489) is capable of displaying Manila full-screen - so it should be possible to hide the bottom bar.
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That's great I also wrote an email to HTC they told me that unfortunately HTC Touch HD is a windows mobile device...and that I should write about my idea on the developers site.Well it seems my idea is possible let us ask the developers is this not a good idea? Does it not look good?

So.. I sent HTC an email in that email they told me to contact Microsoft (Microsoft developer forum) so I did there they told me that Manila is HTC product so I should contact HTC.This is the only place we can get this done and done right!

The Manilla / Sense application is written by HTC and as standard out of the box, it sits inside of the top and bottom bars, which are part of the operating system from Microsoft.
There may be extensions that other developers may of written to hack the Manilla into thinking the boundary of its UI can take the full screen in a similar way that SPB Mobile Shell and Point UI do it out of the box, but the buttons would still remain behind the application. Going into the standard WinMo apps and start menu etc would bring the bar back to the front.
Jason

Jason1978 said:
The Manilla / Sense application is written by HTC and as standard out of the box, it sits inside of the top and bottom bars, which are part of the operating system from Microsoft.
There may be extensions that other developers may of written to hack the Manilla into thinking the boundary of its UI can take the full screen in a similar way that SPB Mobile Shell and Point UI do it out of the box, but the buttons would still remain behind the application. Going into the standard WinMo apps and start menu etc would bring the bar back to the front.
Jason
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I'm not talking about moding Manila only.. lets edit Winmo itself.The thread is called future ROMs idea...

editing winmo is easier said than done. i know its not helpful, but i wouldnt get your hopes up.

ASK768 said:
editing winmo is easier said than done. i know its not helpful, but i wouldnt get your hopes up.
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Well I'm just suggesting a new and improved wimno look..I'm sure that the users will like it much more...but anyway it's up to the developers..

I wish windows phone will just use windows os. But it's just that MS cannot make interface like Apple or even google. HTC and Motorola add a layer of skin to google phone turns me off. If this this the trend for 2010 I might switch to iPhone.

gbjack said:
I wish windows phone will just use windows os. But it's just that MS cannot make interface like Apple or even google. HTC and Motorola add a layer of skin to google phone turns me off. If this this the trend for 2010 I might switch to iPhone.
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HTC already did a while ago, with the 'Shift' (see here:http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=596)
...and trust me...I own an iPhone 3G and my Blackstone and I choose the Blackstone every time, iPhone UI is very dated, boring and limited in it's customisation (even a jailbroken device gets boring to look at).
My iPhone has been sat in a drawer for ages and I only ever use it for the odd game with friends.

welki1979 said:
HTC already did a while ago, with the 'Shift' (see here:http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=596)
...and trust me...I own an iPhone 3G and my Blackstone and I choose the Blackstone every time, iPhone UI is very dated, boring and limited in it's customisation (even a jailbroken device gets boring to look at).
My iPhone has been sat in a drawer for ages and I only ever use it for the odd game with friends.
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iPhone looks dated?? Have you seen the original Blackstone ROM have you seen the scroll bar and... man.. it looks like SH*T (or like Windows 98..) very very dated.And if the ROM development is gonna be like that I might switch to iPhone too or something even better Nokia n900 Only if I could switch this "Blackstone" for Nokia n900...lol
I'm very disappointed with the phone i bought...
So anyway if the developers could make my idea reality that would solve 1 of winmo's problems...

The problem is that Microsoft have not kept up pace with the other OSes and are playing catch up. The current Windows mobile versions 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 are designed for touch screen phones, and work best with a stylus and are not so finger friendly. HTC have placed the Manilla/Sense UI over the top to hide the ugliness of the dated OS.
The next major release Windows Mobile 7 I would hope would be a complete overhaul of the UI at the OS level, supassing the iPhone UI and the like. It should keep the ability to customise to hell due to the amount of developers who write software for Windows Mobile and the use of the .NET Compact Framework and free developer tools for .NET from Microsoft.
Some of the cooked ROMs that have WInMo 6.5.1 show signs of being more touch friendly, but I think the major release of WinMo 7 will be the significant change. This as far as I am aware will be early next year for release to manufacturing, so maybe a further 6 months before you see devices with it. Who knows though, the amount of market share the Microsoft must be losing in this area, you would think they miight try and put more effort into a quick release... (which is not always a good idea!!)
Jason

gbjack said:
I wish windows phone will just use windows os. But it's just that MS cannot make interface like Apple or even google. HTC and Motorola add a layer of skin to google phone turns me off. If this this the trend for 2010 I might switch to iPhone.
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I'm sure you mislead operating system and User Interface (as most people does). Operating system should be the base allowing other developers to build 3rd party stuff over it.
I think, that a way chosen by MS in case of modern WM is correct. Otherwise we would have crap soft buuld in into OS and again replaced by 3rd party stuff (like Paint in "big" Windows)