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Delorme Street Atlas USA

Has anyone used Delorme Street Atlas USA with the Kaiser? It looks like a decent alternative to Tom Tom...

It is currently not compatiable with Kaiser and they are aware of the problem.
When you close the program or tell it to disconnect from GPS it locks up your device.
I can confirm this behavior as I spent the money to buy it. Wasable to convince Best Buy to accept it back. DeLorme offered to refund my purchase price in the event that Best Buy wouldn't allow the return.
Good company that has been doing maps for a long time, I hope they sort the problem out quickly.

I looked at it due to the price and thought that it would be a great buy, but the reviews on Amazon were less than steller. Several reviewers complained the maps were not up to date, but the big thing that sold me away from it was a mention elsewhere that "within the desktop application, you actually select and create a map for a specific circumstance." http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,56666&start=2
What if I'm already away from home and need to get directions? That won't for for me, sorry. I guess I'll shell out the big bucks for TomTom or similar.

They offer a 30 day mbg. I got my check yesterday. It's a nice program but doesn't play nice with the tilt. It was also missing a feature i like, directions by gps position. You always had to give it a start and end, with Tomtom or WLS you can just tell the program to start where you currently are.

agoyeneche said:
Has anyone used Delorme Street Atlas USA with the Kaiser? It looks like a decent alternative to Tom Tom...
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It is not, by any means, a decent alternative.
Its user interface is extremely clunky, and it is SLOW. POI Search and routing on-device is essentially useless in SA2006HH and all indications I have seen say that SA2008HH is no better. DeLorme couldn't even get it right with the PN-20.
That said - if you need topographic maps on a PDA, DeLorme is the way to go. I use TomTom for driving, and once SA2008HH gets fixed for the Kaiser I will be upgrading to 2008HH from 2006HH (which worked well with an external BT GPS on my Hermes.) for topo capability.

Here I am playing nice, searching and finding an old topic to resurrect instead of starting a new one...
I have an old (2002) version of Delorme Xmap for pocket PC.
I just loaded it up today on my tilt, I already had prepared maps for the Northwest USA so I added those.
The program started up, I changed the settings to look at port 4 and since I had started my GPS with GPSTest it found the device and located my position very quickly.
Here is the reason I am posting:
I see they have version 2009 out now and it looks pretty good.
However if it causes lockups on the Kaiser then I should not buy it.
Still - for $40 it seems you get a lot.
http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?item=27867&section=10120

I have the 2005 version with both streets and topo maps, it ran just fine on my Hermes (AT&T 8525) with a bluetooth GPS receiver but would never run right on my Kaiser (AT&T TILT). Being an avid outsdoorsman I miss my topo maps but, have found an alturnative, freeware called TGPS, it takes a little more work to setup and install maps but it works great.

I have version 2009 -- it works perfectly fine on the kaiser

burtcom said:
I have version 2009 -- it works perfectly fine on the kaiser
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Thanks Burtcom - just what I needed to hear.
Is it also fast? Or sluggish?

resonably fast -- except when you first zoom out to level 5 or higher. It can take a while to render the map at that level -- then its fast enough for the rest of the session.
It depends on how much info you've saved in the maps, though.
I tree to keep maps exported to the Kaiser about 1 to 2 MB in size, though I do have a 14MB map of much of the Western US, levels 5 to 9 or so, that has decent performance

GPS software with free web traffic updates

Ok, I may be asking stupid things here, but I don't get the whole GPS traffic updates problem...
Ok, so we have programs like Microsoft Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile that get all the traffic info they need from the web. There's 2 problems though - they don't guide you (step by step directions) and they don't calculate the route based on the traffic. They just show the traffic info.
What I don't get is why can't I find GPS software that will do EXACTLY the same thing as those two, but also give you guidance and calculate routes based on traffic info?
Yes, there's iGo and TomTom that need TMC hardware/subscription/whatever. And yes, there's Garmin XT that gets traffic info from the web, but it only works with external Garmin GPS receivers.
Is there no GPS software with traffic updates from the web that would work on phones like Kaiser with built-in GPS? Or am I missing it?
Another idea would be a piece of software that would get the traffic tables from the web (for free), and then emulate a TMC antenna/whatever on a certain COM port. Is that something that's impossible to make?

tomtom works and gives you traffic updates. works and is free on my friends tytn II. doesnt work on my tilt. /shrug

So TomTom gets the traffic updates from the web?
And it doesn't work on US WM6?

kireol said:
tomtom works and gives you traffic updates. works and is free on my friends tytn II. doesnt work on my tilt. /shrug
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I have TomTom 6 installed on my Tilt and it works great. Also, traffic is free to US users, although they don't advertise it. I called them a while back because I was planning a long roadtrip and I wanted traffic, but I could not find on the website where US users could buy it. I called the 800 number and they gave me a free subscription, and said when it expires to call back and ask for another. It will calculate the route, then check the traffic and ask if you want to re-route around it. It also gives audible and visual alerts when new incidents are detected on your route, plus many times there is detailed info available where you can see exactly how far the backup is, and how long the estimated wait is. Its really nice.
-Jay

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I have TomTom 6 installed on my Tilt and it works great. Also, traffic is free to US users, although they don't advertise it. I called them a while back because I was planning a long roadtrip and I wanted traffic, but I could not find on the website where US users could buy it. I called the 800 number and they gave me a free subscription, and said when it expires to call back and ask for another. It will calculate the route, then check the traffic and ask if you want to re-route around it. It also gives audible and visual alerts when new incidents are detected on your route, plus many times there is detailed info available where you can see exactly how far the backup is, and how long the estimated wait is. Its really nice.
-Jay
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Oh wow, that's really nice. Is it a public download or subscription type of thing? I want to try it out

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Oh wow, that's really nice. Is it a public download or subscription type of thing? I want to try it out
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You have to buy the TomTom software. They ordinarily have traffic as a subscription based service, on their website I think its like 30 euros a year. Well worth it in my opinion, but I'm unable to pay in euros... Anyway if you have the TomTom software working you can activate traffic for free by calling if you are in the US.
-Jay

I'm using AT&T's TelNav right now (free for the first month) and it's pretty good so far but I'm thinking TomTom might be a better solution. You just order the CD and then load it all to a miniSD card right?
Also.... Jay.... This is a little off topic but where did you get the mount for your phone (shown in your usericon)?

FlyRyan said:
I'm using AT&T's TelNav right now (free for the first month) and it's pretty good so far but I'm thinking TomTom might be a better solution. You just order the CD and then load it all to a miniSD card right?
Also.... Jay.... This is a little off topic but where did you get the mount for your phone (shown in your usericon)?
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Here's a link to a thread with all the details on my car mount, with large pics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1880032#post1880032
Yes, you install the software on your storage card. I have a 4gb card and I have the entire north american continent map on it. I can go anywhere in the US & Canada without switching maps. At this point with the pirces on the 8gb cards coming down I would buy an 8 gb card, but it will support up to 32 gb I believe. I bought the mount from www.proclipusa.com, and although the total package was just over $100, its well worth it.
-Jay

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Ok, I may be asking stupid things here, but I don't get the whole GPS traffic updates problem...
Ok, so we have programs like Microsoft Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile that get all the traffic info they need from the web.
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Yes, there's iGo and TomTom that need TMC hardware/subscription/whatever. And yes, there's Garmin XT that gets traffic info from the web, but it only works with external Garmin GPS receivers.
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Neither Windows Live or Google Maps are GPS software. They're web apps with extended functionality that support GPS.
Real GPS software have big map packs and the only thing it needs is a GPS signal.
As for GMXT, they've supported internal GPS since October 2007, and that's what I've been using; free traffic and I guess that's forced TomTom to do the same. You can find threads on how to unlock GMXT off their puny microSD cards.

NuShrike said:
Neither Windows Live or Google Maps are GPS software. They're web apps with extended functionality that support GPS.
Real GPS software have big map packs and the only thing it needs is a GPS signal.
As for GMXT, they've supported internal GPS since October 2007, and that's what I've been using; free traffic and I guess that's forced TomTom to do the same. You can find threads on how to unlock GMXT off their puny microSD cards.
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That's good info, thanks. I'll look into it.
However, my question remains the same.. Are there some limitations that prohibit the creation of an emulator software that would get traffic updates from the web and act as TMC device for GPS software like iGo?

Those traffic updates only work when you're on the freeway, not on city streets. I use TomTom in conjunction with Google Maps. Google Maps at least tells you if the traffic jam is less than 25mph(red) or 26-50mph(yellow). It's pretty accurate. TomTom only has a little car symbel that followed with little dots that represent traffic jam. With google maps, you can zoom out and see the big picture with traffic info. It has saved me hours by allowing me to choose which freeway to take with less traffic jam miles before the jam starts. If all of the sudden I got stuck in traffic jam before google maps updates the traffic info, I use sigalert.com (in LA area) with Opera Mobile to tell me what caused the traffic jam and what time it started. It gives great details about the trafffic jam. It reports how many cars are involved, what kind of cars are involved, which lanes are affected, CHP, ambulance, fire department arrival time, injuries reports.
You may think well I dont want to use 3 programs just to tell me about a traffic jam. If you're in a traffic jam going 0mph, you have time to use your Tilt.

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Those traffic updates only work when you're on the freeway, not on city streets. I use TomTom in conjunction with Google Maps. Google Maps at least tells you if the traffic jam is less than 25mph(red) or 26-50mph(yellow). It's pretty accurate. TomTom only has a little car symbel that followed with little dots that represent traffic jam. With google maps, you can zoom out and see the big picture with traffic info. It has saved me hours by allowing me to choose which freeway to take with less traffic jam miles before the jam starts. If all of the sudden I got stuck in traffic jam before google maps updates the traffic info, I use sigalert.com (in LA area) with Opera Mobile to tell me what caused the traffic jam and what time it started. It gives great details about the trafffic jam. It reports how many cars are involved, what kind of cars are involved, which lanes are affected, CHP, ambulance, fire department arrival time, injuries reports.
You may think well I dont want to use 3 programs just to tell me about a traffic jam. If you're in a traffic jam going 0mph, you have time to use your Tilt.
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Yes, but if you tap the right edge of the screen you can view the details of the traffic jam. Often when you view the details it will say "Backup 2,000 yards Estimated time: 3 minutes" Then you can choose to reroute around it, or just go through. TomTom also has different icons that show you what the incident is. Its pretty obvious usually when you see them. The man w/ the shovel is road construction. A lane with an X in it means that the lane is closed ahead. A car on its side is an auto accident. An icon of several cars backed up is heavy traffic.
-Jay

I have a questions. I have tomtom 6 on my tilt. I got it from school that a profesor by mistake left the software open to public. I took it and installed it. The only thing that i needed was the activation key. I got that now and works fine. I only loaded California and Nevada for now. I had the traffic trial only for 30 days. I read that it is free to U.S. customers. Can I call them and have it activated on mine. Agian, I found the program and my worry is that if I call, would I be asked personal information? And if I give it out, by my devvice code, can they block me from using the buddies feature and weather? Thanks.

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I have a questions. I have tomtom 6 on my tilt. I got it from school that a profesor by mistake left the software open to public. I took it and installed it. The only thing that i needed was the activation key. I got that now and works fine. I only loaded California and Nevada for now. I had the traffic trial only for 30 days. I read that it is free to U.S. customers. Can I call them and have it activated on mine. Agian, I found the program and my worry is that if I call, would I be asked personal information? And if I give it out, by my devvice code, can they block me from using the buddies feature and weather? Thanks.
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Each TomTom install disk can only be used to install on 2 devices, then they lock it out and you have to call to activate the third. I had TomTom 6 installed on my old iPAQ hw6515. When I bought my Tilt I installed it there with no problems. 30 days later I had an issue with the device that wasn't fully resolved, and rather than dealing with a warranty exchange refurb in another 2 months I just exchanged it for a new one in the store. It took me almost a week to get my TomTom registration moved to the third device. I'm suprised you got TomTom working at all if its a pirated copy.
Anyway, to activate your traffic subscription they will need a valid email address, so in a sense they will know who you are...
-Jay

Route 66 has free traffic updates in the UK via internet

Jay2TheRescue said:
Each TomTom install disk can only be used to install on 2 devices, then they lock it out and you have to call to activate the third. I had TomTom 6 installed on my old iPAQ hw6515. When I bought my Tilt I installed it there with no problems. 30 days later I had an issue with the device that wasn't fully resolved, and rather than dealing with a warranty exchange refurb in another 2 months I just exchanged it for a new one in the store. It took me almost a week to get my TomTom registration moved to the third device. I'm suprised you got TomTom working at all if its a pirated copy.
Anyway, to activate your traffic subscription they will need a valid email address, so in a sense they will know who you are...
-Jay
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Wow. Then I had the last chance to use it. Well I dont know if I was the first or second to use it because in order for me to recieved traffic reports, I had to create a username and password along with my email. Then I loged in my information through my phone and it worked. I only had traffic reports valid for 30 days. Now it has expired. TomTom web site has my information now and I guess I should of been the first one to use the software because then my information would of conflicted with the first installation of the cd I found. So my question is now, can I call that 800 number and ask them to activate traffic on my phone. I am worried that they may block me out for good or something. Though my gps would still work. What information do they ask apart from my email? Is it ok to call? I do not have a cd key for the cd. I just poped it on my drive and boom, it worked on my phone. Please help. Thanks.

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Wow. Then I had the last chance to use it. Well I dont know if I was the first or second to use it because in order for me to recieved traffic reports, I had to create a username and password along with my email. Then I loged in my information through my phone and it worked. I only had traffic reports valid for 30 days. Now it has expired. TomTom web site has my information now and I guess I should of been the first one to use the software because then my information would of conflicted with the first installation of the cd I found. So my question is now, can I call that 800 number and ask them to activate traffic on my phone. I am worried that they may block me out for good or something. Though my gps would still work. What information do they ask apart from my email? Is it ok to call? I do not have a cd key for the cd. I just poped it on my drive and boom, it worked on my phone. Please help. Thanks.
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Can anyone help please.

anyone cmon help!

Anyone please help.

sure i'll help, i'll hack into tomtom's server and give you access to traffic. all i need is your username, password, date of birth, mother's maiden name, and your social security number

telenav maps and gps for tilt?

I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.

sounds like you need to talk to att or telenav

There's a cab floating around, search on the forum for it. I think Dutty has one on his site too.
Dutty's Cabs

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I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
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yes $9.99/month unless you know someone at AT$T. that's the only way to get turn by turn talking directions w/ telenav.

hey thanks guys so your saying if i use the "upgrade to gps navgation" option for $9.99 a month ill get the talking turn by turn directions? Also is there anyway to route the audio to my bluetooth headset?

Go to the TeleNav site. They have a free 30 day demo and their site pretty much sums up everything you need to know.
Afaik, TeleNav is about the only GPS mapping program that you can speak your destination into and it will come up with a route. It calls a toll-free number and does it via voice recognition.
Their POI database is much larger than most as well. Map updates are (supposedly) every three months, unlike others which may be years.
Mack

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I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
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I have been using TeleNav for a couple of months past the 30 day trial and have been pleased with it. My rational is that for 10 bucks a month I can go 20-30 months ($200-$300) which is what I would spend on a separate GPS that I would have to replace by that time anyhow. If a real killer deal comes up on a separate GPS I can just cancel this service.
Some of the things I like are:
1. Street announcements for turns. A friend just got a new Tom-Tom so we were using them together in the car. I do prefer the way the TeleNav communicates the route by street names.
2. I have used the call in service while I was driving and it worked well.
3. I like the choices of the way you want your route to be planned. Your choices are:
Fastest
Shortest
Traffic Optimized
Prefer Streets
Prefer highways
Pedestrian
4. Web site ability to set up routes.
5. It seems to "play well" with the other two programs that I usually run with it (Navizon and another favorite GPS Speed - http://tchartdev.com/ )
No bad negatives but:
1. When the screen dims and I touch it to bring the screen up I sometimes move my position a bit but it is recoverable quickly.
2. Of course screen size but that is just the nature of GPS on the Tilt.
3. Volume is better with the new ROM update and KTweak but I still would like it louder - "Huh Wad ya say"
4. I would like an easy way to repeat the last direction due to 3 above.
Neutral:
Sometimes I can't find the closest Wal-Mart when traveling but that is the same problem I had with the Never-Lost that I used to get in the Hertz cars I rented while traveling out of town.
It wasn't until I let the trial time expire and I had to pay for it one month that I really started to play with the features so I will probably keep it for the foreseeable future.
Overall, I would think it is worth spending 10 - 20 bucks for a couple of extra months to see if you really find it useful.

TomTom discontinuing Navigator ?

Through conversations with a few folks I've learned that TomTom is apparently contemplating ceasing any further development on any products for PDA's. They are apparently no longer supporting Nav6 nor will they provide any further map/poi updates for Nav6. They had apparently begun development of Nav7/8 but have suspended that project until a go/no decision is made.
This decision is apparently being driven primarily by significant bootlegging of maps (their primary source of income with Nav software).
I have gotten this info second-hand, but believe it is reliable. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?

Interesting...
I had to call them to help me activate my maps on my fourth replacement tilt. In the course of conversation, I asked about new maps. And the answer was there were new maps but not for navigator 6....they were developing navigator 7 and were in the process of determining "viability." When I asked if that meant they were thinking of discontinuing it, he backpedaled and said they just want to make sure that everything works with such a wide variety of devices to support - palm, symbian, windows mobile.
With what you heard, it sounds like it could be a possibilty. Shame. It's a good program...

I agree, it's an excellent program and I get a lot of good use out of it, I hope they continue to upgrade and improve it. The ONLY thing I don't like about TomTom Navigator 6 is that it doesn't have Text to Speech, it would be nice to hear "turn right on Yuba Street then turn right on California Street" instead of just "Turn right then turn right".

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Interesting...
I had to call them to help me activate my maps on my fourth replacement tilt. In the course of conversation, I asked about new maps. And the answer was there were new maps but not for navigator 6....they were developing navigator 7 and were in the process of determining "viability." When I asked if that meant they were thinking of discontinuing it, he backpedaled and said they just want to make sure that everything works with such a wide variety of devices to support - palm, symbian, windows mobile.
With what you heard, it sounds like it could be a possibilty. Shame. It's a good program...
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They released new maps this past week for the Nav6 as well as all their other products.
Until you see this on their web site it is just someone's rumor.
http://www.tomtom.com/products/maps/?Lid=4
Bill

Do you know if those truly are new maps? After installing TT on my Kais and downloading the free map for my metro area 5 days ago I've found a large number of outdated things including 1 year old streets not in TT and POI's 1 to 4 years out of date. I'd think that they'd want the map they give you for a trial to get you to purchase from them would be the most up to date.

Can anyone tell what the exact version is of the new maps? From what I can read about them is that they are version 6.75 but they done give the build number. I already have version 6.75.1409. Just wanting to know if they really are newer maps.

So use Google Maps.....
It doesn't have text to speech either but it is FREE! and I suspect the real reason TomTom are no longer going to support the PDA version. Very powerful - search for "KFC" and it will find all the nearest with clickable links to websites, phone numbers, driving directions from current position, from an input address from a contact etc. Everything you could want when you need to top up on Kentucky Fried Chipmunks.....or whatever you need to find.
Of course as it is "live" and downloads maps on the fly you better have an unlimited data plan. But it is cool driving along in Satellite View!
HINT - the CAB is not seperately downloadable. You have to download it direct to your PDA - last time I did it was about 1.5Mb. Though once you have the CAB in memory you can back it up to your PC.

These are not new maps - they are the same as what i downloaded several weeks ago.
This has also been confirmed at the following site
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=400322#400322
"TomTom have today announced the availability of the v.7.20 maps from the Map Shop as well as the v.8.05 maps for the GOx30 users.
All existing map versions that were previously available from the shop have now been replaced with the new v.720 maps for all PND’s except the GOx30 series. GOx30 owners can now buy new map version v.8.05. Anyone contemplating a map purchase is advised that the maps are device dependent and therefore it is important that you select the exact device model you own to ensure you receive the correct map.
The 7.20 and 8.05 maps are based on TeleAtlas 2008.01 data.
The 6.75 maps will remain available in the Map Shop for NAVIGATOR 6 users and Automotive units (Eclipse, Daihatsu, Toyota) Note: Rider and Rider 2 users can now buy the new v.720 maps (premium maps) from the map shop."

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It doesn't have text to speech either but it is FREE! and I suspect the real reason TomTom are no longer going to support the PDA version. Very powerful - search for "KFC" and it will find all the nearest with clickable links to websites, phone numbers, driving directions from current position, from an input address from a contact etc. Everything you could want when you need to top up on Kentucky Fried Chipmunks.....or whatever you need to find.
Of course as it is "live" and downloads maps on the fly you better have an unlimited data plan. But it is cool driving along in Satellite View!
HINT - the CAB is not seperately downloadable. You have to download it direct to your PDA - last time I did it was about 1.5Mb. Though once you have the CAB in memory you can back it up to your PC.
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The one big disadvantage of google maps is that it DOES require that live connection. If you are in a poor reception - or no reception area - it is hard to get those directions. For me, i would rather have it sitting on my device and just be dependent on the satellites....instead of BOTH satellite and cell tower.

I don't think the have stoped developing v7 because the new HTC Daimond comes with v7 intergrated in the rom. This can be found in several artical on XDA.

There is much to like about google maps. As you mentioned, they are constantly updated, fairly accurate, have tons of useful info, allow you to click on POI's for info, to call POI, or link to POI website.
Unfortunately it doesn't have turn-by-turn capabilities (at least that I've ever seen) or allow you to keep maps on your device (besides costly when roaming, I seem to always find areas without cell service). It doesn't determine your direction of travel with an arrow, only shows a dot. These are the biggies. Some of the route planning and other things that TT or Garmin have are also useful but missing from Goog. Google's love of learning anything and everything about people for their own profit is also a bit disconcerting. Them knowing where I've been, where I am, and where I'm going is perhaps too much.
Telenav only works in the US, Garmin is coming out with their own phone to avoid the pirated maps/revenue issue...

Darren Griffin from PocketGPS forum has written the following statement
"In Amsterdam last week I quizzed TomTom on this and whilst their future plans for PocketPC were vague, they did suggest that piracy had been major issue and 'if' any future releases were planned they would most likely only be in partnership with manufacturers. "
www.pocketgpsworld.com
Article is on the home page discussed under "HTC Launch O2 XDA Diamond in Germany with TomTom v7"

Google
Google does not offer voice guidance or turn-by-turn maps. However, Google does offer a traffic overlay which is free (TomTom charges) and does not require updates.
Oddly, it seems to take TomTom about 10 minutes or so to get a GPS lock. Google (with GPS turned on) seems to take less than a minute. I have never understood that

jwbrint said:
Can anyone tell what the exact version is of the new maps? From what I can read about them is that they are version 6.75 but they done give the build number. I already have version 6.75.1409. Just wanting to know if they really are newer maps.
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I called and the 1409 is the latest version of the map.
Tech support indicates that they have no plans to discontinue the Nav6.
Bill

jdmba said:
Oddly, it seems to take TomTom about 10 minutes or so to get a GPS lock. Google (with GPS turned on) seems to take less than a minute. I have never understood that
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Mine (Kaiser w/ TT) almost always gets GPS lock within about 30 seconds of starting the TT app. This is in US including MN, CA, NY, and GA.

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Mine (Kaiser w/ TT) almost always gets GPS lock within about 30 seconds of starting the TT app. This is in US including MN, CA, NY, and GA.
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Yep, same here, TomTom has a lock and is showing my location in at most 60s when I turn it on while driving. If I'm sitting still, it's less than that.
The Tilt does not seem to have much luck getting a signal when shielded from the sky, however.. Even sitting in a restaurant near a window I've found it completely unable to get a signal but it locked on in <15s when outside. I always mount my Tilt on my 'grip' mount on my dashboard so it has a reasonable view of the sky.

khaytsus said:
Yep, same here, TomTom has a lock and is showing my location in at most 60s when I turn it on while driving. If I'm sitting still, it's less than that.
The Tilt does not seem to have much luck getting a signal when shielded from the sky, however.. Even sitting in a restaurant near a window I've found it completely unable to get a signal but it locked on in <15s when outside. I always mount my Tilt on my 'grip' mount on my dashboard so it has a reasonable view of the sky.
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Do you have aGPS enabled? That will enable you to get a lock even inside of buildings, or anywhere that has little or no view of the sky.

I hope they do move to navigator 7 at some point as I like the idea of things like map share that are avaliable on the go 720 tomtom models.

Looks like there will be TomTom 7 for Procket PC.
There is a news item on MoDaCo website.
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/268462/tomtom-7-coming-to-pocket-pc-soon/

i get a quick lock on tomtom, but poor refresh updates from the GPS chip, so its laggy as.
TOMTOM also dont support the kaiser, TYTN II, or the OEM Branded ones, so getting support is a pain (even though my bloody phone came with tomtom on a CD!)
My GPS Reception jumps all over the place too. very unreliable.

G1 GPS navigation

Evenings,
I have just moved over from the HTC Kaiser (Vario 3) to the G1 and I love everything abotu the G1 the only thing it is missing is decent turn by turn navigation.
I had tomtom on my Kaiser and am looking for something similar for the G1,
I found this link demoing CoPilot 7 but it doesnt look to be avalable to the public as I cannot find anywhere to buy it from. and on the CoPilot website it doesnt list the G1 as a compatible phone.
http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2009/01/09/alks-copilot-live-t-mobile-g1
I found and downloaded AndNav 2 and found that it wasnt very good the display is to small and i cant get used to the interface.
lastly I found TeleNav but ind $10 a month a little bit of a rip off, i would rather something you pay a 1 off fee like you would with a tomtom and then update the maps at a cost.
Does anyone know where I can get the CoPilot from and if its even out yet.

Hello,
i move from a htc 3300 (artemis) with tom tom, i gave it away in exchange for the Dream, but im a little regret about this, because im always lost the google maps show me in the map but dont tell where to turn. Wisepilot is expensive and the andnav2 is very very limited. I have a nav4all but dont show the map and is anoying and confusing.
So i need this for navigate in work and i dont have one Turn to Turn GPS like the old Tom Tom in htc Artemis.
Anyone have a solution?

Filipe.Nogueira said:
Hello,
i move from a htc 3300 (artemis) with tom tom, i gave it away in exchange for the Dream, but im a little regret about this, because im always lost the google maps show me in the map but dont tell where to turn. Wisepilot is expensive and the andnav2 is very very limited. I have a nav4all but dont show the map and is anoying and confusing.
So i need this for navigate in work and i dont have one Turn to Turn GPS like the old Tom Tom in htc Artemis.
Anyone have a solution?
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Telenav.
I'm using it until Something else is released that's as good as telenav, but doesn't have a subscription fee.

Henchman said:
Telenav.
I'm using it until Something else is released that's as good as telenav, but doesn't have a subscription fee.
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I think i have found the app for me, Its a free download from the market place and its called wisepilot. its a very profesional GUI and looks like it works very well and the instructions seem clear( havent road tested it yet)
The only issue i see is that it says that its a free trial and it shoudl expire after 5 days and then to renew its 99Euro per year which seems expencive considering i can buy a tomtom for around that much and i dont have to subscribe to anything.
The only issue i have with wisepilot is that it downloads the map squares from a server rather than having them on a SD card.

Agghh FFS What is the point of a navigation system that doesnt work outside of GPRS coverage
What if I am not within the network coverage?
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If there is no network coverage, you can use neither your moile phone, nor the Wisepilot service
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just a warning about telenav, if you try to cancel they wont do it. you need to call in like 3 or 4 times to confirm they canceled, and they will strait lie to you about calling in and cancelling.