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Delorme Street Atlas USA

Has anyone used Delorme Street Atlas USA with the Kaiser? It looks like a decent alternative to Tom Tom...

It is currently not compatiable with Kaiser and they are aware of the problem.
When you close the program or tell it to disconnect from GPS it locks up your device.
I can confirm this behavior as I spent the money to buy it. Wasable to convince Best Buy to accept it back. DeLorme offered to refund my purchase price in the event that Best Buy wouldn't allow the return.
Good company that has been doing maps for a long time, I hope they sort the problem out quickly.

I looked at it due to the price and thought that it would be a great buy, but the reviews on Amazon were less than steller. Several reviewers complained the maps were not up to date, but the big thing that sold me away from it was a mention elsewhere that "within the desktop application, you actually select and create a map for a specific circumstance." http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,56666&start=2
What if I'm already away from home and need to get directions? That won't for for me, sorry. I guess I'll shell out the big bucks for TomTom or similar.

They offer a 30 day mbg. I got my check yesterday. It's a nice program but doesn't play nice with the tilt. It was also missing a feature i like, directions by gps position. You always had to give it a start and end, with Tomtom or WLS you can just tell the program to start where you currently are.

agoyeneche said:
Has anyone used Delorme Street Atlas USA with the Kaiser? It looks like a decent alternative to Tom Tom...
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It is not, by any means, a decent alternative.
Its user interface is extremely clunky, and it is SLOW. POI Search and routing on-device is essentially useless in SA2006HH and all indications I have seen say that SA2008HH is no better. DeLorme couldn't even get it right with the PN-20.
That said - if you need topographic maps on a PDA, DeLorme is the way to go. I use TomTom for driving, and once SA2008HH gets fixed for the Kaiser I will be upgrading to 2008HH from 2006HH (which worked well with an external BT GPS on my Hermes.) for topo capability.

Here I am playing nice, searching and finding an old topic to resurrect instead of starting a new one...
I have an old (2002) version of Delorme Xmap for pocket PC.
I just loaded it up today on my tilt, I already had prepared maps for the Northwest USA so I added those.
The program started up, I changed the settings to look at port 4 and since I had started my GPS with GPSTest it found the device and located my position very quickly.
Here is the reason I am posting:
I see they have version 2009 out now and it looks pretty good.
However if it causes lockups on the Kaiser then I should not buy it.
Still - for $40 it seems you get a lot.
http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?item=27867&section=10120

I have the 2005 version with both streets and topo maps, it ran just fine on my Hermes (AT&T 8525) with a bluetooth GPS receiver but would never run right on my Kaiser (AT&T TILT). Being an avid outsdoorsman I miss my topo maps but, have found an alturnative, freeware called TGPS, it takes a little more work to setup and install maps but it works great.

I have version 2009 -- it works perfectly fine on the kaiser

burtcom said:
I have version 2009 -- it works perfectly fine on the kaiser
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Thanks Burtcom - just what I needed to hear.
Is it also fast? Or sluggish?

resonably fast -- except when you first zoom out to level 5 or higher. It can take a while to render the map at that level -- then its fast enough for the rest of the session.
It depends on how much info you've saved in the maps, though.
I tree to keep maps exported to the Kaiser about 1 to 2 MB in size, though I do have a 14MB map of much of the Western US, levels 5 to 9 or so, that has decent performance

Need TeleNav

Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS

Here's the cab file for it...

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Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS
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After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes

dwny said:
After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes
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Thanks Kyphur for the cab. I'll load it up next.
Understand it's not free (see my post). Had the little external unit for my 8525, and the 9.99 on my bill.
Will now have it internal and continue paying the 9.99.
Thanks again, guys.

You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts

I am not sure about TelNav but TomTom is the BOMB! I truly love it and I did buy the NA/Canada map after using the free one.

Telenav vs. TomTom - dumb question
I have Telenav on my AT&T Tilt - paying the $9.99/month. Does the Tilt support TomTom?

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You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts
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I have used them both... telenav works great, and its really cool that you can set up your destinations online and the new version does traffic, and it runs very well on the Kaiser.... HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate... This is the reason i will always be loyal to other ones such as tomtom or iguidance, etc... and tomtom works great on the kaiser, i have no complaints with it whatsoever..

TomTom on Tilt
After reading your response above, I went to the TomTom site and from what I could find, they do not support the HTC 8925 - something to do with their relationship with HTC which limits their use on only certain HTC devices.
My specific question for those Tilt owners who are using TomTom is - does it use the built in GPS receiver or is TomTom calculating position by triangulating with cell towers (or something like that)?
Bill

It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.

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It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.
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Thanks. Yes - I had seen that thread but I wasn't sure after reading it that TomTom actually worked on the Tilt without any hacks.
I'm not too satisfied with Telenav and wouldn't mind installing TomTom to test it. Is there a way to do so with out first signing up - like a trial period? I wouldn't mind issuing a thread about the difference between the two (I also have an in-dash unit so I can compare the functionality of PDA GPS to in-dash units as well).
Bill

okay, to inquire further, I called Tom Tom and found that:
1. They do not "specifically" support the AT&T tilt (HTC8925). They do show support for the HTC TyTN II surprisingly. I guess I have to assume that if they support the other HTC, their software will function on the AT&T tilt.
2. unfortunately, they do not have a trial period so there is no way of testing their software directly. I guess the only way to do so is to install the Tom Tom File mentioned earlier.
from the previous post I guess it is possible to have both the Telenav software and the TomTom software on the phone without any problem. I guess I will have to check that.

You can load the teaser version (this is their trial version btw) to test w/o issues (there's a link to it on page 1 of my ROM thread: click "kaiser ROM" on my sig to go there). Their trial software doesn't expire; rather it limits the geographical area that the software will function by virtue of the installed maps. In this vein, it will allow you to download a map of your local area and you can play with it. All features such as traffic updates are fully functional. If you like the software, then merely purchase the full America/Canada map.
To obtain fast fixes, be sure to run QuickGPS on a regular basis (fix data is valid for 7 days). When you're within the valid data timeframe, TomTom will acquire a fix in about 30-45 seconds. This is one of the properties of aGPS by the way: obtaining initial position OTA.

ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
TomTom will work fine with no hacks on the tilt.
The tilt, tytn II, kaiser, etc are all the same device.
They dont claim support on the tilt because of AT&T exclusive relationship with telenav.
Now this i could be wrong on but you should be able to install the TOMTOM taster file which is located in this forum and on our FTP server and when it goes to load a map will give you the button for voucher, this should let you download 1 free city map.

HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate...
I have traveled out of coverage and it still worked. it just didn't give turn by turn voice but it still tracked via the gps on the maps and showed were i was going. i guess you would have to loos cell service for a long time for it to take effect. I to also like you can go on the web real quick and enter in an address and just go. thats nice when you have multiple places to go that day and you just type them all in make things easy when you are in sales driving everywhere. I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.

i don't have Tom Tom but i'm happy with Telenav. you can get a 1yr subscription for $99. another Telenav advantage is that maps are updated regularly. with Tom Tom you have to wait for next software version.

I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated

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I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.
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Uhm, they do have traffic updates.

GermanGuy said:
I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated
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you must live within the city or at least very near to it. Traffic updates really don't mean much to people outside of big cities since nobody is keeping track of the traffic situations on urban roads. I once subscribed to XM traffic and found that it was only useful in and around Philadelphia (I live 35 miles southwest of Philadelphia). I am finding the same thing true with Telenav.

shogunmark said:
ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
I want to thank you and sleuth255 for your help this past weekend in getting me started with TomTom. I have it loaded and functional and so far I seem to enjoy it more so than TeleNav.
Bill
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GPS software with free web traffic updates

Ok, I may be asking stupid things here, but I don't get the whole GPS traffic updates problem...
Ok, so we have programs like Microsoft Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile that get all the traffic info they need from the web. There's 2 problems though - they don't guide you (step by step directions) and they don't calculate the route based on the traffic. They just show the traffic info.
What I don't get is why can't I find GPS software that will do EXACTLY the same thing as those two, but also give you guidance and calculate routes based on traffic info?
Yes, there's iGo and TomTom that need TMC hardware/subscription/whatever. And yes, there's Garmin XT that gets traffic info from the web, but it only works with external Garmin GPS receivers.
Is there no GPS software with traffic updates from the web that would work on phones like Kaiser with built-in GPS? Or am I missing it?
Another idea would be a piece of software that would get the traffic tables from the web (for free), and then emulate a TMC antenna/whatever on a certain COM port. Is that something that's impossible to make?

tomtom works and gives you traffic updates. works and is free on my friends tytn II. doesnt work on my tilt. /shrug

So TomTom gets the traffic updates from the web?
And it doesn't work on US WM6?

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tomtom works and gives you traffic updates. works and is free on my friends tytn II. doesnt work on my tilt. /shrug
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I have TomTom 6 installed on my Tilt and it works great. Also, traffic is free to US users, although they don't advertise it. I called them a while back because I was planning a long roadtrip and I wanted traffic, but I could not find on the website where US users could buy it. I called the 800 number and they gave me a free subscription, and said when it expires to call back and ask for another. It will calculate the route, then check the traffic and ask if you want to re-route around it. It also gives audible and visual alerts when new incidents are detected on your route, plus many times there is detailed info available where you can see exactly how far the backup is, and how long the estimated wait is. Its really nice.
-Jay

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I have TomTom 6 installed on my Tilt and it works great. Also, traffic is free to US users, although they don't advertise it. I called them a while back because I was planning a long roadtrip and I wanted traffic, but I could not find on the website where US users could buy it. I called the 800 number and they gave me a free subscription, and said when it expires to call back and ask for another. It will calculate the route, then check the traffic and ask if you want to re-route around it. It also gives audible and visual alerts when new incidents are detected on your route, plus many times there is detailed info available where you can see exactly how far the backup is, and how long the estimated wait is. Its really nice.
-Jay
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Oh wow, that's really nice. Is it a public download or subscription type of thing? I want to try it out

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Oh wow, that's really nice. Is it a public download or subscription type of thing? I want to try it out
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You have to buy the TomTom software. They ordinarily have traffic as a subscription based service, on their website I think its like 30 euros a year. Well worth it in my opinion, but I'm unable to pay in euros... Anyway if you have the TomTom software working you can activate traffic for free by calling if you are in the US.
-Jay

I'm using AT&T's TelNav right now (free for the first month) and it's pretty good so far but I'm thinking TomTom might be a better solution. You just order the CD and then load it all to a miniSD card right?
Also.... Jay.... This is a little off topic but where did you get the mount for your phone (shown in your usericon)?

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I'm using AT&T's TelNav right now (free for the first month) and it's pretty good so far but I'm thinking TomTom might be a better solution. You just order the CD and then load it all to a miniSD card right?
Also.... Jay.... This is a little off topic but where did you get the mount for your phone (shown in your usericon)?
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Here's a link to a thread with all the details on my car mount, with large pics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1880032#post1880032
Yes, you install the software on your storage card. I have a 4gb card and I have the entire north american continent map on it. I can go anywhere in the US & Canada without switching maps. At this point with the pirces on the 8gb cards coming down I would buy an 8 gb card, but it will support up to 32 gb I believe. I bought the mount from www.proclipusa.com, and although the total package was just over $100, its well worth it.
-Jay

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Ok, I may be asking stupid things here, but I don't get the whole GPS traffic updates problem...
Ok, so we have programs like Microsoft Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile that get all the traffic info they need from the web.
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Yes, there's iGo and TomTom that need TMC hardware/subscription/whatever. And yes, there's Garmin XT that gets traffic info from the web, but it only works with external Garmin GPS receivers.
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Neither Windows Live or Google Maps are GPS software. They're web apps with extended functionality that support GPS.
Real GPS software have big map packs and the only thing it needs is a GPS signal.
As for GMXT, they've supported internal GPS since October 2007, and that's what I've been using; free traffic and I guess that's forced TomTom to do the same. You can find threads on how to unlock GMXT off their puny microSD cards.

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Neither Windows Live or Google Maps are GPS software. They're web apps with extended functionality that support GPS.
Real GPS software have big map packs and the only thing it needs is a GPS signal.
As for GMXT, they've supported internal GPS since October 2007, and that's what I've been using; free traffic and I guess that's forced TomTom to do the same. You can find threads on how to unlock GMXT off their puny microSD cards.
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That's good info, thanks. I'll look into it.
However, my question remains the same.. Are there some limitations that prohibit the creation of an emulator software that would get traffic updates from the web and act as TMC device for GPS software like iGo?

Those traffic updates only work when you're on the freeway, not on city streets. I use TomTom in conjunction with Google Maps. Google Maps at least tells you if the traffic jam is less than 25mph(red) or 26-50mph(yellow). It's pretty accurate. TomTom only has a little car symbel that followed with little dots that represent traffic jam. With google maps, you can zoom out and see the big picture with traffic info. It has saved me hours by allowing me to choose which freeway to take with less traffic jam miles before the jam starts. If all of the sudden I got stuck in traffic jam before google maps updates the traffic info, I use sigalert.com (in LA area) with Opera Mobile to tell me what caused the traffic jam and what time it started. It gives great details about the trafffic jam. It reports how many cars are involved, what kind of cars are involved, which lanes are affected, CHP, ambulance, fire department arrival time, injuries reports.
You may think well I dont want to use 3 programs just to tell me about a traffic jam. If you're in a traffic jam going 0mph, you have time to use your Tilt.

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Those traffic updates only work when you're on the freeway, not on city streets. I use TomTom in conjunction with Google Maps. Google Maps at least tells you if the traffic jam is less than 25mph(red) or 26-50mph(yellow). It's pretty accurate. TomTom only has a little car symbel that followed with little dots that represent traffic jam. With google maps, you can zoom out and see the big picture with traffic info. It has saved me hours by allowing me to choose which freeway to take with less traffic jam miles before the jam starts. If all of the sudden I got stuck in traffic jam before google maps updates the traffic info, I use sigalert.com (in LA area) with Opera Mobile to tell me what caused the traffic jam and what time it started. It gives great details about the trafffic jam. It reports how many cars are involved, what kind of cars are involved, which lanes are affected, CHP, ambulance, fire department arrival time, injuries reports.
You may think well I dont want to use 3 programs just to tell me about a traffic jam. If you're in a traffic jam going 0mph, you have time to use your Tilt.
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Yes, but if you tap the right edge of the screen you can view the details of the traffic jam. Often when you view the details it will say "Backup 2,000 yards Estimated time: 3 minutes" Then you can choose to reroute around it, or just go through. TomTom also has different icons that show you what the incident is. Its pretty obvious usually when you see them. The man w/ the shovel is road construction. A lane with an X in it means that the lane is closed ahead. A car on its side is an auto accident. An icon of several cars backed up is heavy traffic.
-Jay

I have a questions. I have tomtom 6 on my tilt. I got it from school that a profesor by mistake left the software open to public. I took it and installed it. The only thing that i needed was the activation key. I got that now and works fine. I only loaded California and Nevada for now. I had the traffic trial only for 30 days. I read that it is free to U.S. customers. Can I call them and have it activated on mine. Agian, I found the program and my worry is that if I call, would I be asked personal information? And if I give it out, by my devvice code, can they block me from using the buddies feature and weather? Thanks.

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I have a questions. I have tomtom 6 on my tilt. I got it from school that a profesor by mistake left the software open to public. I took it and installed it. The only thing that i needed was the activation key. I got that now and works fine. I only loaded California and Nevada for now. I had the traffic trial only for 30 days. I read that it is free to U.S. customers. Can I call them and have it activated on mine. Agian, I found the program and my worry is that if I call, would I be asked personal information? And if I give it out, by my devvice code, can they block me from using the buddies feature and weather? Thanks.
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Each TomTom install disk can only be used to install on 2 devices, then they lock it out and you have to call to activate the third. I had TomTom 6 installed on my old iPAQ hw6515. When I bought my Tilt I installed it there with no problems. 30 days later I had an issue with the device that wasn't fully resolved, and rather than dealing with a warranty exchange refurb in another 2 months I just exchanged it for a new one in the store. It took me almost a week to get my TomTom registration moved to the third device. I'm suprised you got TomTom working at all if its a pirated copy.
Anyway, to activate your traffic subscription they will need a valid email address, so in a sense they will know who you are...
-Jay

Route 66 has free traffic updates in the UK via internet

Jay2TheRescue said:
Each TomTom install disk can only be used to install on 2 devices, then they lock it out and you have to call to activate the third. I had TomTom 6 installed on my old iPAQ hw6515. When I bought my Tilt I installed it there with no problems. 30 days later I had an issue with the device that wasn't fully resolved, and rather than dealing with a warranty exchange refurb in another 2 months I just exchanged it for a new one in the store. It took me almost a week to get my TomTom registration moved to the third device. I'm suprised you got TomTom working at all if its a pirated copy.
Anyway, to activate your traffic subscription they will need a valid email address, so in a sense they will know who you are...
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Wow. Then I had the last chance to use it. Well I dont know if I was the first or second to use it because in order for me to recieved traffic reports, I had to create a username and password along with my email. Then I loged in my information through my phone and it worked. I only had traffic reports valid for 30 days. Now it has expired. TomTom web site has my information now and I guess I should of been the first one to use the software because then my information would of conflicted with the first installation of the cd I found. So my question is now, can I call that 800 number and ask them to activate traffic on my phone. I am worried that they may block me out for good or something. Though my gps would still work. What information do they ask apart from my email? Is it ok to call? I do not have a cd key for the cd. I just poped it on my drive and boom, it worked on my phone. Please help. Thanks.

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Wow. Then I had the last chance to use it. Well I dont know if I was the first or second to use it because in order for me to recieved traffic reports, I had to create a username and password along with my email. Then I loged in my information through my phone and it worked. I only had traffic reports valid for 30 days. Now it has expired. TomTom web site has my information now and I guess I should of been the first one to use the software because then my information would of conflicted with the first installation of the cd I found. So my question is now, can I call that 800 number and ask them to activate traffic on my phone. I am worried that they may block me out for good or something. Though my gps would still work. What information do they ask apart from my email? Is it ok to call? I do not have a cd key for the cd. I just poped it on my drive and boom, it worked on my phone. Please help. Thanks.
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Can anyone help please.

anyone cmon help!

Anyone please help.

sure i'll help, i'll hack into tomtom's server and give you access to traffic. all i need is your username, password, date of birth, mother's maiden name, and your social security number

Copilot

Just an FYI, but I've just driven down to the Costa Blanca in Spain from the UK, using Copilot as my navigation tool. It worked absolutely brilliantly - routing was flawless and accurate and because the Hero can multitask I was able to listen to audiobooks and make/receive phone calls, without any hiccups from Copilot.
The original plan was to use a Navman unit as the primary, with Copilot acting as backup, but the routing from Copilot gave me a route that was 3 hours shorter than Navman, and it proved to be eerily accurate on its estimate too!
Regards,
Dave

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Just an FYI, but I've just driven down to the Costa Blanca in Spain from the UK, using Copilot as my navigation tool. It worked absolutely brilliantly - routing was flawless and accurate and because the Hero can multitask I was able to listen to audiobooks and make/receive phone calls, without any hiccups from Copilot.
The original plan was to use a Navman unit as the primary, with Copilot acting as backup, but the routing from Copilot gave me a route that was 3 hours shorter than Navman, and it proved to be eerily accurate on its estimate too!
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Dave
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Awesome, sounds like CoPilot worked like a charm for you

I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!

Ahhhhhh, but have you upgraded your ROM? This alone fixed the GPS dropping issues. to be honest I find it better than my TomTom due to the fact that it tracks speed cameras now as well.

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I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!
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All I can say is that I didn't experience a single issue in 1100miles/20 hours of driving. I only have complaint about Copilot and that is that I wish it used the "standard" Android on-screen keyboard rather than its own, as their own isn't very good.
Regards,
Dave

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All I can say is that I didn't experience a single issue in 1100miles/20 hours of driving. I only have complaint about Copilot and that is that I wish it used the "standard" Android on-screen keyboard rather than its own, as their own isn't very good.
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Dave
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Yeah, it's not QWERT. Very irritating.

tomfreay said:
I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!
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CoPilot gets its GPS information from the android framework. If you're losing GPS location, your device is at fault, not copilot! copilot is just quick to accept from the framework that the location is not longer acceptable.

Anyone know what the update released today was for?

Hmm sounds like I need to see what's wrong with my gps then give copilot another go. I am on the new Rom.
The idea of tom tom iq routes does still excite me though

roakes said:
Anyone know what the update released today was for?
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Qwerty keyboard! Not sure what else.

I am a total convert from tomtom .. I really like CoPilot.. (except for the keyboard)..
I am not 100% happy with the routes it chooses by default but I do know that if I bother I can modify its route planning preferences.. so yeah .. great program and roll on a decent live trafiic addon..

after an irritating start with copilot8, i can now report that (for me) the nav program works pretty damn good. i agree that the keyboard blows compared to what it can be. otherwise, i have solid gps connectivity that has locked into decent accuracy and updates speedily. also, the nav map screen as well as option screens do the trick. tomtom on winmo was more streamlined but i have come to appreciate the depth of features available though settings. the recent email from user support is encouraging too. it reads...
"Dear CoPilot Live Customer,
We hope that you are enjoying finding your way with CoPilot Live v8 navigation on your smartphone.
Now we are pleased to announce a free new service to help you keep your CoPilot Live maps up-to-date:
ALK MapSure™ map updates.
CoPilot Live's digital street maps are continuously maintained and updated to include changes in the North American road network. With MapSure™ updates, we will provide these updates to you free of charge throughout the life of your product version.
Coming soon to your CoPilot Live
Free monthly map maintenance updates downloaded straight to CoPilot Live on your phone. These include emergency road closures, updates reported by users and other improvements.
Free quarterly full map updates. The very latest maps of North America will be available as a free download every quarter through CoPilot Central 2.0 desktop software, iTunes or Android Market.
45 day map update commitment. If you notice a road or an address that you believe needs updating, you can report it directly to us. We will verify the information, add it to our maps and distribute it to everyone through an update within 45 days.
Click here to report an update
We will also be issuing regular software improvements throughout the life of your software version in response to customer feedback. Depending on your phone, you'll be able to download these updates via CoPilot Central, The iPhone AppStore or Android Market."

Have to agree with the positive points above.
I was an old time Tomtom user (having used v3, v5 and v7 over the years) I reluctantly switched to Copilot through lack of other options on Android.
A few weeks of use (with several thousand miles travelled) and I have to say I am very impressed. I have to admit that I have had a few lockups, but no more than I used to get with TT7 on my Omnia. The 2 lockups I have experienced have happened after 2-3 hours of running, so could be caused by the phone overheating (or too many additional apps alonside) rather than Copilot freezing.
I ocassionally lose GPS, but this is VERY rare, and it quickly picks me up again and reroutes accordingly - again this used to happen with TT7 so its not fair to fault Copilot for this.
For the price (I paid around £50 for the whole of Europe!!!) I would happily say that Copilot is my favourite sat nav program to date.
Cheers
Zippyioa

Just a headsup for those who tried CoPilot Early and didn't like certain things, the latest update (398) has introduced a QWERTY keyboard similar to the HTC one but skinned for CoPilot. MUCH better and easier to use. and also the maps update tracking as posted above. Brilliant GPS solution...
Dayzee

Anyone tried Sygic Drive for Android yet?
I used it on my old Nokia a while ago and the iPhone App Video looks just awesome!

Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx

stuck on authorizing credit card
hi,
given all positive feedback, I decided to buy copilot. I am in belgium, so no paid apps in the market here. So I used market enabler... However, I am now stuck. The app is listed as purchased, but I fail to download it. It gets stuck saying "authorizing credit card". I am sure there is nothing wrong with my credit card tho. Any ideas?

dudeldei said:
Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx
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Why note e-mail the company that produces CoPilot, I'm sure they will answer a possible customer.

dudeldei said:
Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx
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Hadn't heard that one. But I do have a link for map downloads so I'm not worried about it.

dragonflyFZX said:
hi,
given all positive feedback, I decided to buy copilot. I am in belgium, so no paid apps in the market here. So I used market enabler... However, I am now stuck. The app is listed as purchased, but I fail to download it. It gets stuck saying "authorizing credit card". I am sure there is nothing wrong with my credit card tho. Any ideas?
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I had this problem as well, It's a Google Market problem.
It sorted itself in a few days, Which was not very good.

which gps software you use in the us?

hi
I just moved from europe to the us and i am wondering what's the best gps software?
I used to use tt6 in europe and i am now using garmin mobile xt.
Why they don't have us map for tt7???

there is US map for both just search the torrents website.

what ???
tt7 don't have us maps, according to there web site!!!

Garmin is 20 times better anyways.

well some features are great in garmin mobile xt but i really think that tt is better!!!

FloJo Premier said:
what ???
tt7 don't have us maps, according to there web site!!!
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I have and use tt7. I have US and Canada maps.
TT7 is much better than Garmin in my opinion. Each to is own.

Copilot Live 8
I am using Copilot Live 8.
They just turned on the live services, including traffic and local search in the US.
The base price of the software is around $35.00 US. A one year subscription for Live Traffic and Local Search is $19.99 USD.
The software has a nice interface, and works well with the Tilt.

@ greywolf1965
where did you get tt7, the maps are not available on there web site!!!

I use OnCourse Navigator 8 and I find it very user friendly. It has US maps and thay seems to be from the same source as google's (I know because in goolge my street map info is wrong as in OCN8 and it used to be good two years ago)

Tomtom doesnt have lake maps which is just one reason i like garmin better. I used to use tt7 with us and canada maps, but then i tried gamin and its like night and day. There are us maps for tt7, but you get us and canada, which is almost a gig of maps. With garmin, you can build a map set of whatever you want and not be forced to carry around maps of places YOU WILL never go. Like i said, garmin is 20 times better

I use a combination of Garmin Mobile XT and Google maps on my Kaiser depending on what I am trying to do. I lost my free internet, so I had to get my own, so I just bought a data plan through T-mobile, so all my personal internetting is done that way now.
The Garmin works well; I hate the routes it tells me to take, although it pretty much always gets you to where you need to go one way or another. The biggest problem I have (maybe I am doing it wrong) is when I want to search for a city such as Jackson, WY, I'll start to enter the name of the city, and it'll bring up a list of Jacksons from every state in the country, and you have to browse through them yourself to find the Wyoming one. If I type J-A-C-K-S-O-N then a comma, WY it won't take it.
It should have a QWERTY keyboard on the touch screen. It will tell me arrival time, but it won't tell me how long it'll take me to get there. I have to calculate it myself, and I'm not sure if it'll take into consideration time zone changes. It'd also be nice to be able to scroll the map with the buttons on the face of the phone as you can with Google maps. That way, it can be done one-handed easily.
Garmin's day/night function is handy to have. All the US maps fit on 1.2 GB, which isn't didly squat for today's storage needs.
Problems with google maps include not being able to get phone calls while your data session is moving data, and when you're out in Timbuktu with no cellular coverage, you're dead in the water. Which is ironic because I never get lost in metro areas. I can always dig my way out one way or another, but when you're not sure if you have to go another 50 miles yet or you missed your turn and have to go back, that is when a GPS is nice to have. But in places where these scenarios actually happen, there's no phone coverage.