Ok, I may be asking stupid things here, but I don't get the whole GPS traffic updates problem...
Ok, so we have programs like Microsoft Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile that get all the traffic info they need from the web. There's 2 problems though - they don't guide you (step by step directions) and they don't calculate the route based on the traffic. They just show the traffic info.
What I don't get is why can't I find GPS software that will do EXACTLY the same thing as those two, but also give you guidance and calculate routes based on traffic info?
Yes, there's iGo and TomTom that need TMC hardware/subscription/whatever. And yes, there's Garmin XT that gets traffic info from the web, but it only works with external Garmin GPS receivers.
Is there no GPS software with traffic updates from the web that would work on phones like Kaiser with built-in GPS? Or am I missing it?
Another idea would be a piece of software that would get the traffic tables from the web (for free), and then emulate a TMC antenna/whatever on a certain COM port. Is that something that's impossible to make?
tomtom works and gives you traffic updates. works and is free on my friends tytn II. doesnt work on my tilt. /shrug
So TomTom gets the traffic updates from the web?
And it doesn't work on US WM6?
kireol said:
tomtom works and gives you traffic updates. works and is free on my friends tytn II. doesnt work on my tilt. /shrug
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I have TomTom 6 installed on my Tilt and it works great. Also, traffic is free to US users, although they don't advertise it. I called them a while back because I was planning a long roadtrip and I wanted traffic, but I could not find on the website where US users could buy it. I called the 800 number and they gave me a free subscription, and said when it expires to call back and ask for another. It will calculate the route, then check the traffic and ask if you want to re-route around it. It also gives audible and visual alerts when new incidents are detected on your route, plus many times there is detailed info available where you can see exactly how far the backup is, and how long the estimated wait is. Its really nice.
-Jay
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I have TomTom 6 installed on my Tilt and it works great. Also, traffic is free to US users, although they don't advertise it. I called them a while back because I was planning a long roadtrip and I wanted traffic, but I could not find on the website where US users could buy it. I called the 800 number and they gave me a free subscription, and said when it expires to call back and ask for another. It will calculate the route, then check the traffic and ask if you want to re-route around it. It also gives audible and visual alerts when new incidents are detected on your route, plus many times there is detailed info available where you can see exactly how far the backup is, and how long the estimated wait is. Its really nice.
-Jay
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Oh wow, that's really nice. Is it a public download or subscription type of thing? I want to try it out
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Oh wow, that's really nice. Is it a public download or subscription type of thing? I want to try it out
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You have to buy the TomTom software. They ordinarily have traffic as a subscription based service, on their website I think its like 30 euros a year. Well worth it in my opinion, but I'm unable to pay in euros... Anyway if you have the TomTom software working you can activate traffic for free by calling if you are in the US.
-Jay
I'm using AT&T's TelNav right now (free for the first month) and it's pretty good so far but I'm thinking TomTom might be a better solution. You just order the CD and then load it all to a miniSD card right?
Also.... Jay.... This is a little off topic but where did you get the mount for your phone (shown in your usericon)?
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I'm using AT&T's TelNav right now (free for the first month) and it's pretty good so far but I'm thinking TomTom might be a better solution. You just order the CD and then load it all to a miniSD card right?
Also.... Jay.... This is a little off topic but where did you get the mount for your phone (shown in your usericon)?
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Here's a link to a thread with all the details on my car mount, with large pics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1880032#post1880032
Yes, you install the software on your storage card. I have a 4gb card and I have the entire north american continent map on it. I can go anywhere in the US & Canada without switching maps. At this point with the pirces on the 8gb cards coming down I would buy an 8 gb card, but it will support up to 32 gb I believe. I bought the mount from www.proclipusa.com, and although the total package was just over $100, its well worth it.
-Jay
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Ok, I may be asking stupid things here, but I don't get the whole GPS traffic updates problem...
Ok, so we have programs like Microsoft Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile that get all the traffic info they need from the web.
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Yes, there's iGo and TomTom that need TMC hardware/subscription/whatever. And yes, there's Garmin XT that gets traffic info from the web, but it only works with external Garmin GPS receivers.
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Neither Windows Live or Google Maps are GPS software. They're web apps with extended functionality that support GPS.
Real GPS software have big map packs and the only thing it needs is a GPS signal.
As for GMXT, they've supported internal GPS since October 2007, and that's what I've been using; free traffic and I guess that's forced TomTom to do the same. You can find threads on how to unlock GMXT off their puny microSD cards.
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Neither Windows Live or Google Maps are GPS software. They're web apps with extended functionality that support GPS.
Real GPS software have big map packs and the only thing it needs is a GPS signal.
As for GMXT, they've supported internal GPS since October 2007, and that's what I've been using; free traffic and I guess that's forced TomTom to do the same. You can find threads on how to unlock GMXT off their puny microSD cards.
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That's good info, thanks. I'll look into it.
However, my question remains the same.. Are there some limitations that prohibit the creation of an emulator software that would get traffic updates from the web and act as TMC device for GPS software like iGo?
Those traffic updates only work when you're on the freeway, not on city streets. I use TomTom in conjunction with Google Maps. Google Maps at least tells you if the traffic jam is less than 25mph(red) or 26-50mph(yellow). It's pretty accurate. TomTom only has a little car symbel that followed with little dots that represent traffic jam. With google maps, you can zoom out and see the big picture with traffic info. It has saved me hours by allowing me to choose which freeway to take with less traffic jam miles before the jam starts. If all of the sudden I got stuck in traffic jam before google maps updates the traffic info, I use sigalert.com (in LA area) with Opera Mobile to tell me what caused the traffic jam and what time it started. It gives great details about the trafffic jam. It reports how many cars are involved, what kind of cars are involved, which lanes are affected, CHP, ambulance, fire department arrival time, injuries reports.
You may think well I dont want to use 3 programs just to tell me about a traffic jam. If you're in a traffic jam going 0mph, you have time to use your Tilt.
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Those traffic updates only work when you're on the freeway, not on city streets. I use TomTom in conjunction with Google Maps. Google Maps at least tells you if the traffic jam is less than 25mph(red) or 26-50mph(yellow). It's pretty accurate. TomTom only has a little car symbel that followed with little dots that represent traffic jam. With google maps, you can zoom out and see the big picture with traffic info. It has saved me hours by allowing me to choose which freeway to take with less traffic jam miles before the jam starts. If all of the sudden I got stuck in traffic jam before google maps updates the traffic info, I use sigalert.com (in LA area) with Opera Mobile to tell me what caused the traffic jam and what time it started. It gives great details about the trafffic jam. It reports how many cars are involved, what kind of cars are involved, which lanes are affected, CHP, ambulance, fire department arrival time, injuries reports.
You may think well I dont want to use 3 programs just to tell me about a traffic jam. If you're in a traffic jam going 0mph, you have time to use your Tilt.
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Yes, but if you tap the right edge of the screen you can view the details of the traffic jam. Often when you view the details it will say "Backup 2,000 yards Estimated time: 3 minutes" Then you can choose to reroute around it, or just go through. TomTom also has different icons that show you what the incident is. Its pretty obvious usually when you see them. The man w/ the shovel is road construction. A lane with an X in it means that the lane is closed ahead. A car on its side is an auto accident. An icon of several cars backed up is heavy traffic.
-Jay
I have a questions. I have tomtom 6 on my tilt. I got it from school that a profesor by mistake left the software open to public. I took it and installed it. The only thing that i needed was the activation key. I got that now and works fine. I only loaded California and Nevada for now. I had the traffic trial only for 30 days. I read that it is free to U.S. customers. Can I call them and have it activated on mine. Agian, I found the program and my worry is that if I call, would I be asked personal information? And if I give it out, by my devvice code, can they block me from using the buddies feature and weather? Thanks.
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I have a questions. I have tomtom 6 on my tilt. I got it from school that a profesor by mistake left the software open to public. I took it and installed it. The only thing that i needed was the activation key. I got that now and works fine. I only loaded California and Nevada for now. I had the traffic trial only for 30 days. I read that it is free to U.S. customers. Can I call them and have it activated on mine. Agian, I found the program and my worry is that if I call, would I be asked personal information? And if I give it out, by my devvice code, can they block me from using the buddies feature and weather? Thanks.
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Each TomTom install disk can only be used to install on 2 devices, then they lock it out and you have to call to activate the third. I had TomTom 6 installed on my old iPAQ hw6515. When I bought my Tilt I installed it there with no problems. 30 days later I had an issue with the device that wasn't fully resolved, and rather than dealing with a warranty exchange refurb in another 2 months I just exchanged it for a new one in the store. It took me almost a week to get my TomTom registration moved to the third device. I'm suprised you got TomTom working at all if its a pirated copy.
Anyway, to activate your traffic subscription they will need a valid email address, so in a sense they will know who you are...
-Jay
Route 66 has free traffic updates in the UK via internet
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Each TomTom install disk can only be used to install on 2 devices, then they lock it out and you have to call to activate the third. I had TomTom 6 installed on my old iPAQ hw6515. When I bought my Tilt I installed it there with no problems. 30 days later I had an issue with the device that wasn't fully resolved, and rather than dealing with a warranty exchange refurb in another 2 months I just exchanged it for a new one in the store. It took me almost a week to get my TomTom registration moved to the third device. I'm suprised you got TomTom working at all if its a pirated copy.
Anyway, to activate your traffic subscription they will need a valid email address, so in a sense they will know who you are...
-Jay
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Wow. Then I had the last chance to use it. Well I dont know if I was the first or second to use it because in order for me to recieved traffic reports, I had to create a username and password along with my email. Then I loged in my information through my phone and it worked. I only had traffic reports valid for 30 days. Now it has expired. TomTom web site has my information now and I guess I should of been the first one to use the software because then my information would of conflicted with the first installation of the cd I found. So my question is now, can I call that 800 number and ask them to activate traffic on my phone. I am worried that they may block me out for good or something. Though my gps would still work. What information do they ask apart from my email? Is it ok to call? I do not have a cd key for the cd. I just poped it on my drive and boom, it worked on my phone. Please help. Thanks.
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Wow. Then I had the last chance to use it. Well I dont know if I was the first or second to use it because in order for me to recieved traffic reports, I had to create a username and password along with my email. Then I loged in my information through my phone and it worked. I only had traffic reports valid for 30 days. Now it has expired. TomTom web site has my information now and I guess I should of been the first one to use the software because then my information would of conflicted with the first installation of the cd I found. So my question is now, can I call that 800 number and ask them to activate traffic on my phone. I am worried that they may block me out for good or something. Though my gps would still work. What information do they ask apart from my email? Is it ok to call? I do not have a cd key for the cd. I just poped it on my drive and boom, it worked on my phone. Please help. Thanks.
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Can anyone help please.
anyone cmon help!
Anyone please help.
sure i'll help, i'll hack into tomtom's server and give you access to traffic. all i need is your username, password, date of birth, mother's maiden name, and your social security number
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has anyone had any luck get any of the tomtom plus features to access the internet?
mine just errors out....
can someone try theirs?
nm... finally got it...
signed up on mytomtom.com yesterday...
turned off my proxy settings in medianet...
put my email and password in tomtom when it asks for it...
turned off hsdpa...
logged on to a website via explorer (to get a data connection active)...
then went back to tomtom buddies and tried to login, it errored twice but i pressed continue three more times and it finally logged in...
traffic and all of the other tomtom plus services work great...
now, just need my pals with kaisers to get their tomtom buddies up and running and we'll see if we can track each other...
the kaise/tytn II/tilt/8925 is great piece of kit... and i really like having the gps...
Tomtom traffic
I get most plus services to work except traffic. I have everything in your post without luck. A qustion to tomtom support only resulted in "we do not support you device" answer. Any ideas?
When I fianlly installed the maps from my CD and activated them it started working. It did not work with the free downloaded map.
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I get most plus services to work except traffic. I have everything in your post without luck. A qustion to tomtom support only resulted in "we do not support you device" answer. Any ideas?
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I didn't fill in any email and all plus services work (including traffic) accept traffic cams, which times out when updating. (western europe map)
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I want to highlight something. I downloaded the free map and tried to activate my tomtom traffic on this free manp. This caused the error mentioned in my previus entry. I then tried to open a support case with Tomtom, but they refused to handle it. They state that the Kaiser is an unsupported device. Luckily traffic worked when I installed my maps from the DVD. I don't understand how Tomtom can make a deal with HTC, provide the progam and maps and then refuse to support it.
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I want to highlight something. I downloaded the free map and tried to activate my tomtom traffic on this free manp. This caused the error mentioned in my previus entry. I then tried to open a support case with Tomtom, but they refused to handle it. They state that the Kaiser is an unsupported device. Luckily traffic worked when I installed my maps from the DVD. I don't understand how Tomtom can make a deal with HTC, provide the progam and maps and then refuse to support it.
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Quite agree - I would demand to be referred to their complaints procedure and make sure they know you have a tomtom branded TyTn II installation disk. Also do not assume they know the phone by the name Kaiser. Also remember to mention that the programme is specifically adpted by them to run on that phone and no other.
Mike
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I want to highlight something. I downloaded the free map and tried to activate my tomtom traffic on this free manp. This caused the error mentioned in my previus entry. I then tried to open a support case with Tomtom, but they refused to handle it. They state that the Kaiser is an unsupported device. Luckily traffic worked when I installed my maps from the DVD. I don't understand how Tomtom can make a deal with HTC, provide the progam and maps and then refuse to support it.
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I've just called TomTom with a bogus question (why speedcams wasn't working) and after mentioning TomTOM Navigator 6, PDA, Kaiser and TyTN II, they answered the question.
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I've just called TomTom with a bogus question (why speedcams wasn't working) and after mentioning TomTOM Navigator 6, PDA, Kaiser and TyTN II, they answered the question.
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Maybe the problem could be that I used the EU version of the Kaiser talking to the Swedish Tomtom support, and the Swedish version of the Kaiser is not yet available.
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I want to highlight something. I downloaded the free map and tried to activate my tomtom traffic on this free manp. This caused the error mentioned in my previus entry. I then tried to open a support case with Tomtom, but they refused to handle it. They state that the Kaiser is an unsupported device. Luckily traffic worked when I installed my maps from the DVD. I don't understand how Tomtom can make a deal with HTC, provide the progam and maps and then refuse to support it.
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Interesting, when the FAQ's on their own site says this:
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Why is NAVIGATOR 6 support for Windows Mobile® 6 limited to some HTC devices?
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The reason why NAVIGATOR 6 is not supported on all Windows Mobile 6 devices is due to our global partnership with HTC, as a supplier of pre-installed Navigation Software for their GPS-enabled devices.
All works fine on my device....
TomTom Traffic not working
I have installed TomTom into my unlocked HTC Kaiser and it works fine. While, intitially Traffic was working and downloading perfectly well, since October 1, I get connected to the traffic server, but no data gets transferred into my device. (The traffic message is always no traffic incident to report, although there are numerous delays in the New York metropolitan region). I have contacted TomTom customer support about this. Originally they told me the traffic servers were down. Today they are telling me that this is a problem specific to HTC devices not getting the data correctly. Does anybody else have the same problem? Is somebody using the traffic service since October 1 and receiving valid traffic information on their HTC Kaiser devices? I have a version of TomTom that is not made specifically for the kaiser. I wonder if that would work better?
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I have installed TomTom into my unlocked HTC Kaiser and it works fine. While, intitially Traffic was working and downloading perfectly well, since October 1, I get connected to the traffic server, but no data gets transferred into my device. (The traffic message is always no traffic incident to report, although there are numerous delays in the New York metropolitan region). I have contacted TomTom customer support about this. Originally they told me the traffic servers were down. Today they are telling me that this is a problem specific to HTC devices not getting the data correctly. Does anybody else have the same problem? Is somebody using the traffic service since October 1 and receiving valid traffic information on their HTC Kaiser devices? I have a version of TomTom that is not made specifically for the kaiser. I wonder if that would work better?
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It's not just you. Last night, I used my Tom Tom v6.032 (that came with the Kaiser) and had it pull the traffic info along the route I was taking. Got all green. 5 minutes later, i'm in bumper to bumper traffic and inching along (there was construction that turned a 3 lane busy street in Washington, DC into a 1 lane street. While in the bumper to bumper, I had the software update it's traffic info and it still came up all green. I just figured it would only report on accidents and not delays, but evidently i'm not the only one having the problem.
I wasn't getting any traffic updates in the UK, but a colleague with a TT910 was. So I copied tmcodes.dat, traffic.dat from the map & deleted the other traffic file. Ran through enabling traffic again, and it's working fine again.
same problem
I have same problem with Orange provided device in the UK - logged call with TomTom who now say Kaiser is supported. Everything works except for Plus services - get generic TomTom device error when trying to connect to do anything in the plus menu. Navigator 6.
any advice/ideas - tried disabling HSDPA but no difference.
I have had problems with TomTom on my Kaiser, but it is always rectified by connecting it to a wifi hotspot first, with the cellular radio off. Then going to TomTom and running an update, where it will always download a small update of some sort the first time I run it, after that I'm troublefree on wifi or 3G (or Edge, or HDSPA)
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All works fine on my device....
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All is also right for me with my Orange branded Tytn II.
I realise this is an old thread. Also I have posted in detail here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11166165#post11166165
but basically I have installed TomTom 6 on a Kaiser which seems working except traffic reports give error 1506.
If there is a fix for this please advise.
Thanks in advance.
anyone know how to purchase the traffic updates on copilot 7?
Havent got my phone on me at mo but if I remember rightly you have to purchase them through the app itself. I came across a screen think it was the about screen and it has ticks and crosses for what you have and what you dont have. There was an update button there. Sorry I cant be more specific will look when I am near my phone and let you know later if you cant find it.
cheers desktop i feel i have tried anything and im tearing my hair out now!! im tempted to jump ship to tomtom because this is ridiculous product should be easily useable! when i go to live and connect it doesnt even connect to the internet! have you had any problems with copilot 7?
if i go to the licensing screen it says upgrade and then i put my reg key in and it says i have am incorrect product key!!!! so frustrating!
I have only had the product since yesterday so not had a chance to really use it much yet. From driving round town with it yesterday I definately prefer it to copilot 6. Its easier to follow and warns you of speed cameras without losing the map of where you are. Seemed to take me on better routes than copilot 6 did too.
As for the live bit I havent tried that yet. Most people arent interested when I am going to arrive! Besides they'd just ring me on my other mobile to find out where I am!! lol
Have you managed to upgrade to traffic yet?
no still cant get the traffic to work can you check the steps to upgrade so i can have a go! cheers mate
Just one question about CoPilot Live 6 or 7. Do they support Text 2 Speech? When you are driving does it tell you the names of the streets?
- TKN
tariq_niazi said:
Just one question about CoPilot Live 6 or 7. Do they support Text 2 Speech? When you are driving does it tell you the names of the streets?
- TKN
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JPHCCFC said:
cheers desktop i feel i have tried anything and im tearing my hair out now!! im tempted to jump ship to tomtom because this is ridiculous product should be easily useable! when i go to live and connect it doesnt even connect to the internet! have you had any problems with copilot 7?
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I have been using copiolt for over 3 years on my laptop and after calling them many many times I still can't get live services to work. I expect the same on the PPC version of the software and thats why I choose not to buy it. When talking to customer service they say they get their traffic updates from yahoo traffic and their servers must be down. BS!
My suggestion is to go with Telenav for the 30 day free trial and get the GarminXT Micro sd card when it comes out later this month for $99. I have mine on preorder and hope to get it before my 30 day trial runs out. Telenav works great but you can't navigate to a contact in your phone book. You must enter the address manuly, it uses your 3G or Edge connection constantly while navigating. And it's $10 a month after 30 days or $99 a year. A BIG + is that you can enter a address by voice though.
Another question for anyone who has owned CoPilot before. For the Live Traffic, do you pay annually or is it once after you buy it? Also, when I get the memory card (which is 2GB), if I copy everything to my 8GB microSDHC, will everything work?
I am really considering buying this software as TomTom is giving me a lot of problem with Live Traffic (it is due to the free map that I am using but I don't have space to put in the entire US map yet). Also, the interface looks much nicer and I really need the Text2Speech thing for my navigation as TomTom sometimes confuses me.
- TKN
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Another question for anyone who has owned CoPilot before. For the Live Traffic, do you pay annually or is it once after you buy it? Also, when I get the memory card (which is 2GB), if I copy everything to my 8GB microSDHC, will everything work?
I am really considering buying this software as TomTom is giving me a lot of problem with Live Traffic (it is due to the free map that I am using but I don't have space to put in the entire US map yet). Also, the interface looks much nicer and I really need the Text2Speech thing for my navigation as TomTom sometimes confuses me.
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You dont have to pay for live service. At least not on the laptop version. But once again I haven't been able to get it to work.
Not working ...
tariq_niazi said:
Another question for anyone who has owned CoPilot before. For the Live Traffic, do you pay annually or is it once after you buy it? Also, when I get the memory card (which is 2GB), if I copy everything to my 8GB microSDHC, will everything work?
I am really considering buying this software as TomTom is giving me a lot of problem with Live Traffic (it is due to the free map that I am using but I don't have space to put in the entire US map yet). Also, the interface looks much nicer and I really need the Text2Speech thing for my navigation as TomTom sometimes confuses me.
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I just got the CoPilot Live 7 software and I've tried everything possible to get it to work and nothing. I copied the 2GB microSD contents over to my 6GB card and executed an autorun and nothing. Tried again and launched the .cab file and nothing. Hooked it up to the laptop and installed the software from there saving it to the storage care ... nothing. I uninstalled between each load attempts and absolutely nothing. I don't want to put it on the phone as it runs from their dang SD card, so why won't it run from mine? Has to be some kind of proprietary thing or a bug. I don't want to load it on the main memory as I'm runing out. I've used CoPilot since version 3 and have always saved it onto the card.
If anyone can help, I'd greatly appreciate it.
COPILOT 7 Traffic Free
Here you go
http://www.alk.com/store/cart.asp?Action=AddItem&SKU=DIG-CP10-TRF
COPILOT 7 Traffic Free
Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS
Here's the cab file for it...
No FREE
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Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS
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After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes
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After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes
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Thanks Kyphur for the cab. I'll load it up next.
Understand it's not free (see my post). Had the little external unit for my 8525, and the 9.99 on my bill.
Will now have it internal and continue paying the 9.99.
Thanks again, guys.
You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts
I am not sure about TelNav but TomTom is the BOMB! I truly love it and I did buy the NA/Canada map after using the free one.
Telenav vs. TomTom - dumb question
I have Telenav on my AT&T Tilt - paying the $9.99/month. Does the Tilt support TomTom?
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You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts
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I have used them both... telenav works great, and its really cool that you can set up your destinations online and the new version does traffic, and it runs very well on the Kaiser.... HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate... This is the reason i will always be loyal to other ones such as tomtom or iguidance, etc... and tomtom works great on the kaiser, i have no complaints with it whatsoever..
TomTom on Tilt
After reading your response above, I went to the TomTom site and from what I could find, they do not support the HTC 8925 - something to do with their relationship with HTC which limits their use on only certain HTC devices.
My specific question for those Tilt owners who are using TomTom is - does it use the built in GPS receiver or is TomTom calculating position by triangulating with cell towers (or something like that)?
Bill
It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.
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It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.
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Thanks. Yes - I had seen that thread but I wasn't sure after reading it that TomTom actually worked on the Tilt without any hacks.
I'm not too satisfied with Telenav and wouldn't mind installing TomTom to test it. Is there a way to do so with out first signing up - like a trial period? I wouldn't mind issuing a thread about the difference between the two (I also have an in-dash unit so I can compare the functionality of PDA GPS to in-dash units as well).
Bill
okay, to inquire further, I called Tom Tom and found that:
1. They do not "specifically" support the AT&T tilt (HTC8925). They do show support for the HTC TyTN II surprisingly. I guess I have to assume that if they support the other HTC, their software will function on the AT&T tilt.
2. unfortunately, they do not have a trial period so there is no way of testing their software directly. I guess the only way to do so is to install the Tom Tom File mentioned earlier.
from the previous post I guess it is possible to have both the Telenav software and the TomTom software on the phone without any problem. I guess I will have to check that.
You can load the teaser version (this is their trial version btw) to test w/o issues (there's a link to it on page 1 of my ROM thread: click "kaiser ROM" on my sig to go there). Their trial software doesn't expire; rather it limits the geographical area that the software will function by virtue of the installed maps. In this vein, it will allow you to download a map of your local area and you can play with it. All features such as traffic updates are fully functional. If you like the software, then merely purchase the full America/Canada map.
To obtain fast fixes, be sure to run QuickGPS on a regular basis (fix data is valid for 7 days). When you're within the valid data timeframe, TomTom will acquire a fix in about 30-45 seconds. This is one of the properties of aGPS by the way: obtaining initial position OTA.
ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
TomTom will work fine with no hacks on the tilt.
The tilt, tytn II, kaiser, etc are all the same device.
They dont claim support on the tilt because of AT&T exclusive relationship with telenav.
Now this i could be wrong on but you should be able to install the TOMTOM taster file which is located in this forum and on our FTP server and when it goes to load a map will give you the button for voucher, this should let you download 1 free city map.
HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate...
I have traveled out of coverage and it still worked. it just didn't give turn by turn voice but it still tracked via the gps on the maps and showed were i was going. i guess you would have to loos cell service for a long time for it to take effect. I to also like you can go on the web real quick and enter in an address and just go. thats nice when you have multiple places to go that day and you just type them all in make things easy when you are in sales driving everywhere. I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.
i don't have Tom Tom but i'm happy with Telenav. you can get a 1yr subscription for $99. another Telenav advantage is that maps are updated regularly. with Tom Tom you have to wait for next software version.
I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated
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I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.
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Uhm, they do have traffic updates.
GermanGuy said:
I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated
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you must live within the city or at least very near to it. Traffic updates really don't mean much to people outside of big cities since nobody is keeping track of the traffic situations on urban roads. I once subscribed to XM traffic and found that it was only useful in and around Philadelphia (I live 35 miles southwest of Philadelphia). I am finding the same thing true with Telenav.
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ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
I want to thank you and sleuth255 for your help this past weekend in getting me started with TomTom. I have it loaded and functional and so far I seem to enjoy it more so than TeleNav.
Bill
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Through conversations with a few folks I've learned that TomTom is apparently contemplating ceasing any further development on any products for PDA's. They are apparently no longer supporting Nav6 nor will they provide any further map/poi updates for Nav6. They had apparently begun development of Nav7/8 but have suspended that project until a go/no decision is made.
This decision is apparently being driven primarily by significant bootlegging of maps (their primary source of income with Nav software).
I have gotten this info second-hand, but believe it is reliable. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?
Interesting...
I had to call them to help me activate my maps on my fourth replacement tilt. In the course of conversation, I asked about new maps. And the answer was there were new maps but not for navigator 6....they were developing navigator 7 and were in the process of determining "viability." When I asked if that meant they were thinking of discontinuing it, he backpedaled and said they just want to make sure that everything works with such a wide variety of devices to support - palm, symbian, windows mobile.
With what you heard, it sounds like it could be a possibilty. Shame. It's a good program...
I agree, it's an excellent program and I get a lot of good use out of it, I hope they continue to upgrade and improve it. The ONLY thing I don't like about TomTom Navigator 6 is that it doesn't have Text to Speech, it would be nice to hear "turn right on Yuba Street then turn right on California Street" instead of just "Turn right then turn right".
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Interesting...
I had to call them to help me activate my maps on my fourth replacement tilt. In the course of conversation, I asked about new maps. And the answer was there were new maps but not for navigator 6....they were developing navigator 7 and were in the process of determining "viability." When I asked if that meant they were thinking of discontinuing it, he backpedaled and said they just want to make sure that everything works with such a wide variety of devices to support - palm, symbian, windows mobile.
With what you heard, it sounds like it could be a possibilty. Shame. It's a good program...
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They released new maps this past week for the Nav6 as well as all their other products.
Until you see this on their web site it is just someone's rumor.
http://www.tomtom.com/products/maps/?Lid=4
Bill
Do you know if those truly are new maps? After installing TT on my Kais and downloading the free map for my metro area 5 days ago I've found a large number of outdated things including 1 year old streets not in TT and POI's 1 to 4 years out of date. I'd think that they'd want the map they give you for a trial to get you to purchase from them would be the most up to date.
Can anyone tell what the exact version is of the new maps? From what I can read about them is that they are version 6.75 but they done give the build number. I already have version 6.75.1409. Just wanting to know if they really are newer maps.
So use Google Maps.....
It doesn't have text to speech either but it is FREE! and I suspect the real reason TomTom are no longer going to support the PDA version. Very powerful - search for "KFC" and it will find all the nearest with clickable links to websites, phone numbers, driving directions from current position, from an input address from a contact etc. Everything you could want when you need to top up on Kentucky Fried Chipmunks.....or whatever you need to find.
Of course as it is "live" and downloads maps on the fly you better have an unlimited data plan. But it is cool driving along in Satellite View!
HINT - the CAB is not seperately downloadable. You have to download it direct to your PDA - last time I did it was about 1.5Mb. Though once you have the CAB in memory you can back it up to your PC.
These are not new maps - they are the same as what i downloaded several weeks ago.
This has also been confirmed at the following site
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=400322#400322
"TomTom have today announced the availability of the v.7.20 maps from the Map Shop as well as the v.8.05 maps for the GOx30 users.
All existing map versions that were previously available from the shop have now been replaced with the new v.720 maps for all PND’s except the GOx30 series. GOx30 owners can now buy new map version v.8.05. Anyone contemplating a map purchase is advised that the maps are device dependent and therefore it is important that you select the exact device model you own to ensure you receive the correct map.
The 7.20 and 8.05 maps are based on TeleAtlas 2008.01 data.
The 6.75 maps will remain available in the Map Shop for NAVIGATOR 6 users and Automotive units (Eclipse, Daihatsu, Toyota) Note: Rider and Rider 2 users can now buy the new v.720 maps (premium maps) from the map shop."
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It doesn't have text to speech either but it is FREE! and I suspect the real reason TomTom are no longer going to support the PDA version. Very powerful - search for "KFC" and it will find all the nearest with clickable links to websites, phone numbers, driving directions from current position, from an input address from a contact etc. Everything you could want when you need to top up on Kentucky Fried Chipmunks.....or whatever you need to find.
Of course as it is "live" and downloads maps on the fly you better have an unlimited data plan. But it is cool driving along in Satellite View!
HINT - the CAB is not seperately downloadable. You have to download it direct to your PDA - last time I did it was about 1.5Mb. Though once you have the CAB in memory you can back it up to your PC.
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The one big disadvantage of google maps is that it DOES require that live connection. If you are in a poor reception - or no reception area - it is hard to get those directions. For me, i would rather have it sitting on my device and just be dependent on the satellites....instead of BOTH satellite and cell tower.
I don't think the have stoped developing v7 because the new HTC Daimond comes with v7 intergrated in the rom. This can be found in several artical on XDA.
There is much to like about google maps. As you mentioned, they are constantly updated, fairly accurate, have tons of useful info, allow you to click on POI's for info, to call POI, or link to POI website.
Unfortunately it doesn't have turn-by-turn capabilities (at least that I've ever seen) or allow you to keep maps on your device (besides costly when roaming, I seem to always find areas without cell service). It doesn't determine your direction of travel with an arrow, only shows a dot. These are the biggies. Some of the route planning and other things that TT or Garmin have are also useful but missing from Goog. Google's love of learning anything and everything about people for their own profit is also a bit disconcerting. Them knowing where I've been, where I am, and where I'm going is perhaps too much.
Telenav only works in the US, Garmin is coming out with their own phone to avoid the pirated maps/revenue issue...
Darren Griffin from PocketGPS forum has written the following statement
"In Amsterdam last week I quizzed TomTom on this and whilst their future plans for PocketPC were vague, they did suggest that piracy had been major issue and 'if' any future releases were planned they would most likely only be in partnership with manufacturers. "
www.pocketgpsworld.com
Article is on the home page discussed under "HTC Launch O2 XDA Diamond in Germany with TomTom v7"
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Google does not offer voice guidance or turn-by-turn maps. However, Google does offer a traffic overlay which is free (TomTom charges) and does not require updates.
Oddly, it seems to take TomTom about 10 minutes or so to get a GPS lock. Google (with GPS turned on) seems to take less than a minute. I have never understood that
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Can anyone tell what the exact version is of the new maps? From what I can read about them is that they are version 6.75 but they done give the build number. I already have version 6.75.1409. Just wanting to know if they really are newer maps.
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I called and the 1409 is the latest version of the map.
Tech support indicates that they have no plans to discontinue the Nav6.
Bill
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Oddly, it seems to take TomTom about 10 minutes or so to get a GPS lock. Google (with GPS turned on) seems to take less than a minute. I have never understood that
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Mine (Kaiser w/ TT) almost always gets GPS lock within about 30 seconds of starting the TT app. This is in US including MN, CA, NY, and GA.
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Mine (Kaiser w/ TT) almost always gets GPS lock within about 30 seconds of starting the TT app. This is in US including MN, CA, NY, and GA.
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Yep, same here, TomTom has a lock and is showing my location in at most 60s when I turn it on while driving. If I'm sitting still, it's less than that.
The Tilt does not seem to have much luck getting a signal when shielded from the sky, however.. Even sitting in a restaurant near a window I've found it completely unable to get a signal but it locked on in <15s when outside. I always mount my Tilt on my 'grip' mount on my dashboard so it has a reasonable view of the sky.
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Yep, same here, TomTom has a lock and is showing my location in at most 60s when I turn it on while driving. If I'm sitting still, it's less than that.
The Tilt does not seem to have much luck getting a signal when shielded from the sky, however.. Even sitting in a restaurant near a window I've found it completely unable to get a signal but it locked on in <15s when outside. I always mount my Tilt on my 'grip' mount on my dashboard so it has a reasonable view of the sky.
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Do you have aGPS enabled? That will enable you to get a lock even inside of buildings, or anywhere that has little or no view of the sky.
I hope they do move to navigator 7 at some point as I like the idea of things like map share that are avaliable on the go 720 tomtom models.
Looks like there will be TomTom 7 for Procket PC.
There is a news item on MoDaCo website.
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/268462/tomtom-7-coming-to-pocket-pc-soon/
i get a quick lock on tomtom, but poor refresh updates from the GPS chip, so its laggy as.
TOMTOM also dont support the kaiser, TYTN II, or the OEM Branded ones, so getting support is a pain (even though my bloody phone came with tomtom on a CD!)
My GPS Reception jumps all over the place too. very unreliable.
Hi Everyone...
For the longest time I have been TomTom's #1 Supporter it seems... I always reccomend it to anyone who was willing to listen... I live in the Milwaukee area, and there are always construction projects, traffic jams, etc all over the place. TomTom was great because I could get traffic updates for under $30/yr.. It was a price I could justify spending each month onto of what I already paid for the software and phone service.
My annual subscription because due a few weeks ago... and I was shocked that it went from abotu $2/mo to $10/mo... I called a rep and they explained to me that it was because now when you subscribe to traffic, you get the entire "TomTom Live" package which includes things like gas prices, weather, etc... Seeing as I have the weather tab on my phone, and know how to check gad prices outside of TomTom, I explained that I really only wanted the traffic... Unfortunatly he explained there is no way to purchase it by itself anymore.... and I can't justify spending $120/yr for the traffic...
I decided to try out some of the other GPS programs... I tried many out back when I first decided on TomTom a few years ago... and many of them have come a long ways.... the one the suprised me the most was the one built in Bing.... It is 100% free, takes up very little space on my device (where my TomTom Map takes up over 1gb), and offers FREE traffic.. Don;t get me wrong, the interface is not as good as TomTom.. but for what it offers, it is great! I do the hybrid overlap map that is the roads along with the areal view from sat images... It loaded the map on the fly as I was driving, even at highway speeds... Its traffic information was accurate.. and its directions were good as well...
There were a few draw backs though... It always has "North" on the top of the screen.. so when I was physicalyl headign south, the image looked "upside down" compaired to how I was used to TomTom looking... And of course there was no C3PO guiding my turns with his voice.. "Depart Master" ..... But over all, I would give it a 7/10 when I combine that it was accurate, takes up almost no space on my SD card, live traffic and other features, and the photo overlays is a cool feature...
So, if you are like me and can no longer afford/justify paying TomTom their new rates, give Bing a shot... If they can work out the few things here I mentioned, I bet it can become a first rate GPS program.
If anyone else has some other suggestions of a setup that is affordable, and supports traffic, pelase share with us..