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Hello all,
I'm just now debating on whether or not I need to exchange my new Tilt in for another one, or if this is just normal break-in behavior.
The scroll wheel is very erratic, sometimes when scrolling down it will go up instead and reversing the scrolling motion will cause it to freak out (go down once then scroll up like crazy). Also pressing the scroll wheel in to select/click on something often doesn't work forcing me to try several times to "click" on what I have selected.
The scrolling action is nowhere near as smooth as my Hermes, is anyone else having these issues?
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If it is indeed a hardware issue, does anyone know of a way to restore the bootloader back to AT&T's ... I flashed HardSPL and think I should probably put it back to stock.
Thanks,
Dave
same problem
i am having the same issue, wondering if i should go back to that nasty blue slut of a rom
FEATURES
SuperCID / Security Level=0
Does not check NBH signatures
Based on 1.50 MFG bootloader, rtask enabled
Accept any password
Model ID check only 4 chars
SPL overwrite DISABLED (to bypass, use SSPL-KAIS.exe)
I guess using the SSPL-KAIS.EXE and then flashing an AT&T om would solve that.
Cheers,
Cactus
reitjam said:
i am having the same issue, wondering if i should go back to that nasty blue slut of a rom
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I was having the same problem with the AT&T ROM, but admittedly was not running it for very long before pof released HardSPL.
That's what makes me think it's hardware related.
le_cactus said:
FEATURES
SuperCID / Security Level=0
Does not check NBH signatures
Based on 1.50 MFG bootloader, rtask enabled
Accept any password
Model ID check only 4 chars
SPL overwrite DISABLED (to bypass, use SSPL-KAIS.exe)
I guess using the SSPL-KAIS.EXE and then flashing an AT&T om would solve that.
Cheers,
Cactus
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Thanks Cactus,
I haven't checked the SSPL thread today, I saw that pof closed it last night because it was bricking a lot of phones. Thought he mentioned that he was going to try to get a working one out soon.
Thanks again for the reply.
sirsycho said:
******* separate but related issue *******
If it is indeed a hardware issue, does anyone know of a way to restore the bootloader back to AT&T's ... I flashed HardSPL and think I should probably put it back to stock.
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SSPL v1 is just fine to flash an SPL or a splash screen, it will not work if you flash a full NBH containing OS becuase the NBH buffer is smaller on 0.92.
thanks pof!
Erratic scroll wheel persists across ROMs
Well I flashed back to AT&T ROM this morning and have been playing with it all day, and the erratic behavior is still there.
Given that only one other person complained here, I think it might be my device. Gonna go see my AT&T guy about an exchange.
Thanks for bearing with me.
sirsycho,
Let me know if you got a new device and it is better, please. I am having issues with having to click the scroll wheel really hard to get it to register at times. On another note, unlike all the other keys on my Tilt keyboard, the 's' key barely goes down when you press it and it doesn't click like all the otthers. This causes me to instinctively hit it multiple timessss so I get a lot of Ss in a row. Anyone else?
I have the same problem. It sometimes works and sometimes it dont.
willieb9000 said:
sirsycho,
Let me know if you got a new device and it is better, please. I am having issues with having to click the scroll wheel really hard to get it to register at times. On another note, unlike all the other keys on my Tilt keyboard, the 's' key barely goes down when you press it and it doesn't click like all the otthers. This causes me to instinctively hit it multiple timessss so I get a lot of Ss in a row. Anyone else?
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My new device is on the FedEx truck for delivery today... I'm going to try it out with the standard AT&T ROM for a bit to get a good baseline and then flash to HTC's... I'll try to post an update tonight.
Thanks.
sirsycho said:
Well I flashed back to AT&T ROM this morning and have been playing with it all day, and the erratic behavior is still there.
Given that only one other person complained here, I think it might be my device. Gonna go see my AT&T guy about an exchange.
Thanks for bearing with me.
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Not you're device. I had this issue prior to unlocking, then with the htc rom and again now with the att rom. To me, it looks either hardware issue, or something lower level is the OS that is common to all current roms. PErhaps the sensitivity of the wheel needs tweaking somehow.
I had issues with my scroll wheel as well. Coming from an 8525 I was like WTF did they do to this wheel? Sometimes the click wasn't registering, but either it's broken in, or I've adjusted my habits because it seems OK now, though not as solid feeling as the 8525 was. I'm sitting here with both the 8525 and Tilt in my hands and the wheel on the 8525 is definitely better.
I'm experiencing the same problem. The wheel feels scratchy when rotated, unlike my Hermes which was smooth. Usually wheels of this type are metal contacts against a circuit board, which use a binary gray code to register direction. I'm thinking its been designed poorly. Perhaps the Hermes unit was $.02 more money.
I wonder if we can replace it with a Hermes unit?
thanks sirsycho.. Update us once you get your new one.
Update with new Tilt and ATT ROM
ok... I'm still running the ATT ROM and still having the scroll wheel issues. Exactly the same things mentioned by others here... scrolling doesn't always register and when pressing in on the wheel I have to do it a couple times before it actually works.
On a side note, it seemed to be getting better on the older device before I switched, but as was mentioned above, that might just be me getting used to the substandard hardware (both of my Hermes work sooo much better).
I'll probably try this out through tomorrow before I flash the HTC ROM... I'll post again if anything improves.
Same scroll wheel problems for me (I have a Tilt). It sounds like maybe it improves as you break it in, so I'll give it a few more days before returning. Grrr....
Same problem here with my first Tilt. I returned the next day because this thread hadn't popped up yet so I thought it was just me and one defective unit. I subsequently got one that (knock on wood) has performed much better. Still notice a few jutters here and there, but the wheel doesn't feel as "scratchy" as mentioned before.
When I had my first Tilt, I noticed it much more when moving the wheel slowly. Here's hoping the problem doesn't start again because so far so good with my new one.
hello i'm using htc Tytn II
rom version : 1.81.707.0 WWE
rom date : 09/05/07
Radio version : 1.27.12.11
Protocol version : 22.45.88.07H
CE OS 5.2.1620 (Build 1825.0.4.2)
and everything works fine up,down and push.....
cheers
Just got a Tilt 3 days ago
Just got a Tilt 3 days ago and Im having the same erratic scroll wheel problem.
I see that this is an old thread, so I'm wondering if any conclusion as to this being a hardware or software problem have been made?
Thanks
I bought an ATT tilt quite a while ago. It is out of warranty now, and wouldn't you know it, something went wrong.
I'm currently using Dutty's Diamond ROM (with the keyboard fix installed), but the same happened before with the official ROM. While I text some keys don't work. I'll be typing away, just to look at the screen and see that I am missing a bunch of letters, rendering the message unreadable. I then have to go back and fill in all the blanks, and even then sometimes it takes several tries to get it to go. The same happens with the backspace key; sometimes it just doesn't work, other times it does (oddly enough, when it doesn't work normally, it usually lets me hit "function" and use it as the delete key).
My other concern is that there is a ton of lag while typing. It takes a while for letters to show up. Is that normal (for the Tilt, at least. I'm still wishing I had bought a BlackBerry)?
Yeah, I had similar troubles. I just upgraded my SPL and hopefully will be testing it further testing.
what SPL are you running?
I'm not entirely sure, it was a while ago that I flashed the ROM. How do I find out what it is? I tried Device Information, but it wasn't there.
you have to put it in Bootloader mode.
hold power and camera button while resetting with the stylus, then you'll come to the tricolor screen which will give you the SPL info.
KAIS1*0 MFG
SPL-1.0.OliPof
CPLD-8
I am having the same exact problem, 1 out of 5 times it works corectly so im thinking it has to be somekind of software, my problem started when I started using ROMeOS's rom's and I have tried different SPL's virsions.
I've heard that the keyboard/membrane may be the problem. Is that likely? If so, is there anywhere to buy them?
crushbup said:
KAIS1*0 MFG
SPL-1.0.OliPof
CPLD-8
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You can use this to update your SPL, I just went from 1.0 to 3.29.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
mech_supernova said:
I am having the same exact problem, 1 out of 5 times it works corectly so im thinking it has to be somekind of software, my problem started when I started using ROMeOS's rom's and I have tried different SPL's virsions.
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What SPL are you currently on? did you reinstall the ROM after updating ur SPL?
crushbup said:
I've heard that the keyboard/membrane may be the problem. Is that likely? If so, is there anywhere to buy them?
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cnn.cn has them for cheap AFAIK!
Thanks!
But they only have the outer keypad (the one right below the screen). Well, I hope this can be fixed with software, because the only place I saw that listed them showed them at $39.99 and they were out of stock.
whistler4ever said:
You can use this to update your SPL, I just went from 1.0 to 3.29.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
What SPL are you currently on? did you reinstall the ROM after updating ur SPL?
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I got the same SPL he has, I did a hard reset afterwards then downgraded back to 1.0 because I saw no improvement.
I thought RomeOS worked best with 3.29.
crushbup said:
Thanks!
But they only have the outer keypad (the one right below the screen). Well, I hope this can be fixed with software, because the only place I saw that listed them showed them at $39.99 and they were out of stock.
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http://www.gsm4world.us/shop/tytn-p4550-keyboard-flex-p-1433.html
found this in another thread!
Success! If the SPL doesn't work and I can't convince AT&T to do it, I'll order one and put it in. How do you install it?
EDIT: I just installed skyfire, and noticed that while I was putting in my email and password it was smooth and nothing was skipped. I'm almost 100% certain this is a problem with WinMo itself
I have been having the same problem as you are describing, but I have noticed that it is with heavy use keys like T, H, E, R, S and for some reason V.
I was getting the feeling that it was a hardware problem rather than a software problem because, especially with the V, I have to apply a bit of pressure to get the button to work.
Unfortunately for me I bought mine off Ebay so the warranty is already void.
Incidentally mine started happening when I had the original network providers (T-Mobile) rom on it. I have since installed an original HTC rom and it hasnt made the slightest bit of difference.
So, how easy is it to open up the back of the Tytn II and replace the keyboard unit then?
Oh my god! Thank you for posting this. I swear I have always felt like posting this but always got too lazy. I thought it was only me that had this problem. It is so annoying typing away, and then having to spend another minute to retype the letters that didn't get inputed the first time. It is so frustrating and I thought it was my fault or something, or ROM, I believe its hardware related, but I am not going to spend another dime on this POS. I'm just not so patiently awaiting t-mobile to release their android device, and I will jump ship and never look back! Thanks for the post again, it has given me piece of mind.....ironically
I'm kind of wanting T-Mobile's Android phone, but seeing as how it's made by HTC, I'll wait for the first couple of user-reviews to come out. I bought the Tilt based on website reviews, but man, I was really misled. They said the camera was great, I can only get blurry unrecognizable images. They made no mention of the fact that when you switch to landscape it takes 3 seconds for all the graphics to appear.
I'm disappointed, and I think my next phone will be a plain vanilla flip phone.
Anywho, I'm updating the SPL now, I'll post if it makes any change.
Okay, I now have HardSPL 3.56 and there does not appear to be much of a change. There was some short lag at the beginning of the text string, but afterwards it caught up. I missed no letters this time. I cannot say how much of this was the placebo effect (i.e. it just felt faster), but perhaps if everyone with the issue tries we can have a reasonable answer.
ETA: I added a poll, so if you try this, fill in the poll!
disable word suggestion under Input setting.
i don't miss any characters with it disabled.
It was already disabled for me. I know I didn't change it, I think the ROM came that way.
hi all since i got my kaiser always have just one problem, some times keyboard dont respond very well, when i type something some times work perfect but some time some letters dont print, per example i wrtie "E X S A M P L E" and look the screen and saw "E X A P L", its a kind of lag or something, jog wheel sucks too when i move up/down dont respond very well, i am using my own rom, but ive tried somany and its the same, my kaiser its a tilt with winmo 6.1 in spanish with tytn ii to tilt fix, i try some reg tweaks that i found in XDA but its like the same, any idea???
wolframio74 said:
hi all since i got my kaiser always have just one problem, some times keyboard dont respond very well, when i type something some times work perfect but some time some letters dont print, per example i wrtie "E X S A M P L E" and look the screen and saw "E X A P L", its a kind of lag or something, jog wheel sucks too when i move up/down dont respond very well, i am using my own rom, but ive tried somany and its the same, my kaiser its a tilt with winmo 6.1 in spanish with tytn ii to tilt fix, i try some reg tweaks that i found in XDA but its like the same, any idea???
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I'm stuck with the same thing. I've got a MDA Vario III.
I hope there's someone out there who can fix this. it's very irritating.
Thanks in advance.
BTW. The lag is everywhere in the phone (touch-screen-keyboard, softbuttons, hardbuttons, etc... )
wolframio74 said:
hi all since i got my kaiser always have just one problem, some times keyboard dont respond very well
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Already discussed in the sticky p) Speed Up Your Keyboard (Fixes Lag On Hardware Keyboard) thread. There is a cab there but in my experience it may interfere with multimedia playback.
try that long time ago without lucky... regards!
As some get older a few keys will get harder. There is about four keys on mine that I really have to press hard for it to register. Its a known problem, I read about it several times.
More info needed to progress
wolframio74 said:
try that long time ago without lucky... regards!
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If you've only tried the reg edits as you mentioned in your first post, try the cab because your symptoms are identical and it definitely made a difference on my device to keyboard responsiveness and I see no reason why it should be any different at all with yours. Of course that won't fix sticking or faulty keys, only replacement parts will do that but unless it's usually the same letters that don't respond (is it?), that's unlikely to be the issue. What else have you already tried (specifically)?
UPDATE, CABS, dont Work, but i am tring without auto completetion and lower suggested words.... i give 2 or 3 days then cook my room like that
worked perfectly for me!
thanks a million!
i reduce suggested words to 1, get the reg key for windows mobile 6.1 in spanish from my own ROM, then cook it again, work almost perfect... so i can say "WORK DONE"
I just want to share my experience and also see if there are others who feel the same. My problem concerns the latest new ROMs, which i installed. For example energyRom, TouchIT Leo III, etc. The installation goes well and then I do all my settings and adjustments. A moment later, the phone dies, usually never wakes up from standby when i press the topButton. This phenomenon may or may not take a long time and will occur at any time.
My idea as it had with my settings to make, eg, regional settings, email configuration or maybe some file(s) on the memory card, because I know that these ROMs works on other phones and i can not read or find about other users having the same problem.
My settings and everyRom installation are:
Operator: Telia
Language: English
E-mail: Exchange Server
Smabergs Swe Hardware keyboard (Can this maybe give some trouble, because i think its made for 6.1?)
Someone else who can share experiences so perhaps I can find the problem?
For troubleshooting i have reflashed the ROM and not doing any settings at all.....and the phone still working.
I get this occasionally. But I've always had these hangs regardless of new or old ROMs.
Basically phone won't respond to any input, the screen stays off but if you open the keyboard it lights up. That's about the only response I can get. I've always shrugged it off and taken out the battery. Hopefully it doesn't happen regularly.
Ive had this kind of "hangs" to, but the ones i talking about happens several times every day, and the keyboard doesnt light up.
Double post. Sorry
mikedomain said:
My idea as it had with my settings to make, eg, regional settings, email configuration or maybe some file(s) on the memory card, because I know that these ROMs works on other phones and i can not read or find about other users having the same problem.
My settings and everyRom installation are:
Operator: Telia
Language: English
E-mail: Exchange Server
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This is where UC should help. Most cooks used UC for WM6.1, and other forms of UC for WM6.5. Just make sure you read their thread carefully.
For me, I put all the setting into a cab (after all, most user config will be store in registry anyway.).
jackleung said:
This is where UC should help. Most cooks used UC for WM6.1, and other forms of UC for WM6.5. Just make sure you read their thread carefully.
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When i install a new ROM, i always read the thread for tips and hints, but nobody talking about the problem ive got.
My phone has now been running without any crashes for a couple of hours....maybe i should try to do some settings one after another.
Me too, used the energy rom, really polished rom, but hang several times a day...
too bad it hangs during show off to friends XD
mikedomain said:
When i install a new ROM, i always read the thread for tips and hints, but nobody talking about the problem ive got.
My phone has now been running without any crashes for a couple of hours....maybe i should try to do some settings one after another.
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I had a similar problem. It turned out that the flatcable between the screen and hardware keyboard wasn't properly connected. I disassembled and reassembled my phone while keeping a video tutorial from youtube on my screen. It worked then! Here's the links to the video's:
Disassemble Xperia - Front
Disassemble Xperia - Back
Reassemble Xperia - Back
Reassemble Xperia - Front
Gwystyl said:
I had a similar problem. It turned out that the flatcable between the screen and hardware keyboard wasn't properly connected. I disassembled and reassembled my phone while keeping a video tutorial from youtube on my screen. It worked then! Here's the links to the video's:
Disassemble Xperia - Front
Disassemble Xperia - Back
Reassemble Xperia - Back
Reassemble Xperia - Front
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yes, i´ve been wondering if it could be any hardware-problem, but why would it only be on some ROMs and others not. Thats why i feel pretty sure its not hw-related.
Its only on 6.5 roms, not 6.1....ive been running smabergs 6.1 rom for weeks, without problem. And as soon as i installed valkyrie, the phone starts to hang. I also noticed some screen-problems, like a lot of stripes across the screen, that makes the content unreadable. And thats the tf3d-content, the taskbar is ok without any graphic-distortion.
But only on 6.5....
Hi guys, i'm using on my x1 windows mobile 6.5 rom since first beta. I have tried alla kind of rom. As far as i know i have always had a problem that create me some trouble. The x1 hardware keyboard seems laggy and very slow. Also FN key take a lot of pressures to activate. Someone else is having the same problem? Just to know if it's mine broken. I don't want to go back to 6.1 to try.
Thanks
Luca
l0rdsheva said:
Hi guys, i'm using on my x1 windows mobile 6.5 rom since first beta. I have tried alla kind of rom. As far as i know i have always had a problem that create me some trouble. The x1 hardware keyboard seems laggy and very slow. Also FN key take a lot of pressures to activate. Someone else is having the same problem? Just to know if it's mine broken. I don't want to go back to 6.1 to try.
Thanks
Luca
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if U want to have helps, U shuold tell us what's rom are U using or U want to use, so people, who have had experiences with that ROM will tell U how...
Goodluck
I've had a similar issue to this too since using the 6.5 roms, also along with the lag it double inputs the character selected sometimes. If anyone knows a fix fort his would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Is it laggy and slow in every program? For me it works very well. Only thing is my m-key is kinda broken, not a software issue i figure though.
zannyboy said:
I've had a similar issue to this too since using the 6.5 roms, also along with the lag it double inputs the character selected sometimes. If anyone knows a fix fort his would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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That's how my m-key is broken, one in ten times it types two Ms on one press. But it isn't like that on any other character.
kanchigo said:
if U want to have helps, U shuold tell us what's rom are U using or U want to use, so people, who have had experiences with that ROM will tell U how...
Goodluck
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it's not located in a specific rom... every 6.5 rom create the problem.
@jablko yes, every program...
zannyboy said:
I've had a similar issue to this too since using the 6.5 roms, also along with the lag it double inputs the character selected sometimes. If anyone knows a fix fort his would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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exactly the same to me.
l0rdsheva said:
exactly the same to me.
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same here, altough I had the same problem at my original WM 6.1
Same issue
l0rdsheva said:
Hi guys, i'm using on my x1 windows mobile 6.5 rom since first beta. I have tried alla kind of rom. As far as i know i have always had a problem that create me some trouble. The x1 hardware keyboard seems laggy and very slow. Also FN key take a lot of pressures to activate. Someone else is having the same problem? Just to know if it's mine broken. I don't want to go back to 6.1 to try.
Thanks
Luca
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I have experienced same issues like you did. The Fn key works only when I put lot of pressure on it (didn't succeed to determine which is the most suitable position) so, I've been forced to find other alternatives (soft keyboards). But, what's important is to find out if this is a hardware problem or is simply related to the new ROM installments which I play with...
Any opinion/suggestion is more then welcome...
Thanks
It's not a wm 6.5 related problem... there're tons of guys having this problem, and soon they're going to increase, cause it seems to get worse with time...
my keyboard has reached an unusable state, and the left half of the keyboard type twice or nothing.
The first thing you can try is to longer the time for input replication... if it doesn't work, then send it to SE, and hope to receive it back in a little time
I'm waiting to find a good alternative to X1, then send it to assistance, and when it comes back sell it... never buying SE products anymore
searching with google get many results... this is the first:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489331
oh let me tell you something real that is happening.
1.keyboard is crap if u dont use the buttons daily ,you will have this problem(i have it too)
2. same as my camera button( i press half way to auto focus and then press it fully to take a picture. but now it auto focus and when i press fully,the camera will auto focus again and shoot the pictures )
i dunno what is wrong with X1 ,but htc has make a bull**** things for SE.(happy that SE decided to leave them).
ok so seem to be an hardware problem; i'll dismount mine x1 to see if there's dust or something else under the keyboard.
l0rdsheva said:
ok so seem to be an hardware problem; i'll dismount mine x1 to see if there's dust or something else under the keyboard.
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Now that's hardcore!
Jablko said:
Now that's hardcore!
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no problem, it's already out of warranty and if it goes wrong is time to buy another device!
crava said:
It's not a wm 6.5 related problem... there're tons of guys having this problem, and soon they're going to increase, cause it seems to get worse with time...
my keyboard has reached an unusable state, and the left half of the keyboard type twice or nothing.
The first thing you can try is to longer the time for input replication... if it doesn't work, then send it to SE, and hope to receive it back in a little time
I'm waiting to find a good alternative to X1, then send it to assistance, and when it comes back sell it... never buying SE products anymore
searching with google get many results... this is the first:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489331
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I reached to the same conclusion like you did. Seems like most of the SE X1 keyboards have problems, as well like the battery life (btw, last night, in stand-by mode, my X1 battery drained out completely without having any process/program running)...
Speaking about SE X1 in general, yes could be taken as a kind of failure but we don't have to forget is made by HTC. So, they could be blamed as well for this lack of success!
Or maybe there was also a sabotage around, who knows?
time to get X2