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Stick with TYTN, or upgrade to Kaiser?

I have a TYTN with schaps 3.54c WM6 (HTC HOME, kaiser comm mngr) and a BT GPS (MTK based)+2gb.. Mostly used for TT6, email, internet and appointments.
is it worth to upgrade to the kaiser or should I wait for it's successor?

Maarten_NL said:
I have a TYTN with schaps 3.54c WM6 (HTC HOME, kaiser comm mngr) and a BT GPS (MTK based)+2gb.. Mostly used for TT6, email, internet and appointments.
is it worth to upgrade to the kaiser or should I wait for it's successor?
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I think you should ask your pocket or wallet this question...
Obviously the tilting screen, built-in GPS, larger memory, and being slightly thinner all makes me want to have it ... but its a matter of $$$$$$$$$$ now

sell your hermes now and recoup some costs then be first to buy kaiser.

I have a sim-only in the hermes and my business contract in my normal phone is due to end in october so I can get it relativly cheap (take a €80/100 dualsim 1 year contract, the its about €100-200 ).
Can the screen do a normal-slide too?
And does it fit in a hermes desktopcradle?
I always like new shiny things so I think I'll shove out the cash

Sell your hermes now
wpbear said:
sell your hermes now and recoup some costs then be first to buy kaiser.
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I sold my Hermes (vodafone III 1605) still had the box everything.. got 300 euro for it that's about 400$.. now sitting and waiting with the money in the bank for the kaiser.

I hope to get 150/200 for it, a bit battered because I dropped it once (small crack in body and corner a bit shaved off) but works 100%.

I also sold my 8525 while I could still get the most out of it. Now, I am using a crappy samsung phone until the 8925 or the Tilt comes out! I had long been contemplating on buying a GPS and now my problem will be solved soon!

sherpa said:
I also sold my 8525 while I could still get the most out of it. Now, I am using a crappy samsung phone until the 8925 or the Tilt comes out! I had long been contemplating on buying a GPS and now my problem will be solved soon!
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I get my Blakcjack tomarrow until the Kaiser comes. I hope I can manage with a blackjack since I am used to the 8525.

sherpa said:
I also sold my 8525 while I could still get the most out of it. Now, I am using a crappy samsung phone until the 8925 or the Tilt comes out! I had long been contemplating on buying a GPS and now my problem will be solved soon!
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also using crappy eircsson K610i till the kaiser comes out...
although If i can come across a cheap tytn 100euro I'll get one

I am also trying to make the same decision. I just got my Hermes (8525) two days ago off of a guy for $220, but now that I see this is about to come out I am tempted to sell it I could probably get $300 or so for it if I do it soon before the tilt comes out. It came with an extra extended 2800 mAh battery and stuff. My motivations for the upgrade would be the obvious ram upgrade but more importantly builtin gps. I really want gps but I haven't purchased a bluetooth gps unit yet. My last concern is that I am with tmobile so I would nee to unlock the phone. How long does it usually take for an unlocker to come out? What are your opinions on everything?

well...I just got rid of my Hermes TyTn...I wasn't trying to make a profit, just trying to get back as much as I put into the phone....
can't wait until the Kaiser is released...
as everyone said b/f my post,,,the Kaiser overall is a better phone...

lude93 said:
well...I just got rid of my Hermes TyTn...I wasn't trying to make a profit, just trying to get back as much as I put into the phone....
can't wait until the Kaiser is released...
as everyone said b/f my post,,,the Kaiser overall is a better phone...
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Yea same plan here hah...
so yea who wants my gimpy hermes? $250? eh?
Schaps 3.54c
Htc home
1gig

I sold my hermes.... I listed it on craigslist and a guy called me up this mourning and offered me more than I was asking for it if I would meet him. I got $360 for it. I saved him from the tragic fate of paying too much for a Herald he was just about to drop a little more on. he didn't wanna try and unlock an AT&T phone himself he was afraid so he bought mine instead and now he has twice the ponies of a Herald and I have $360 to put towards my kaiser

Maarten_NL said:
I have a sim-only in the hermes and my business contract in my normal phone is due to end in october so I can get it relativly cheap (take a €80/100 dualsim 1 year contract, the its about €100-200 ).
Can the screen do a normal-slide too?
And does it fit in a hermes desktopcradle?
I always like new shiny things so I think I'll shove out the cash
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Yes it slides out normal(like the Hermes) then you can "tilt" it up.
As for the 2nd question, I dont know since the specs of the Kaiser are a tad bit different than that of the hermes

ok.. does someone have a clear bottomside picture to check where the USB port is?

sold my Tytn
I sold it for $500 including a GPS receiver. Waiting to get either a Tilt or an HTC Kaiser depending on the price... it seems the Tilt(AT&T) is going to be around 600 to renew contract do not know how much the Kaiser. It really makes a difference on the two units but more on the money.

terracot said:
I sold it for $500 including a GPS receiver. Waiting to get either a Tilt or an HTC Kaiser depending on the price... it seems the Tilt(AT&T) is going to be around 600 to renew contract do not know how much the Kaiser. It really makes a difference on the two units but more on the money.
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Dam I`m defenatly getting Kaiser as soon as it hits the ATT shelfs, but seening how good you guys are selling your phones I`m thinking about selling my first !!! Just dont know what I will do with out it You guys think the prices will drop really bad for the 8525 Hermes Tytn as soon as the kaiser released ?

GO KAISER!!!
I work for AT&T in the U.S. and I met with the HTC reps last week. I played with this thing for an hour and a half. It was amazing!! The best part, they are sending me 2 free ones. One to hack and one to show my customers. I can't freakin wait!!!!

The tilt and the Kaiser are the same thing. We are just calling it the Tilt.

I didn go for it... last month a friend bought one but it didn't convince me shelling out that extra cash for just GPS, slightly sleeker exterior and that bit of extra memory.
Waiting for the TYTN III

If Money was No Object -- which HTC phone would you choose???

I am leaning toward the HTC Touch Cruise. I cannot afford it but I was checking out this phone and wow its nice.
Not unhappy with my wing but been looking at other phones today.
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch_cruise.htm
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zcink said:
I am leaning toward the HTC Touch Cruise. I cannot afford it but I was checking out this phone and wow its nice.
Not unhappy with my wing but been looking at other phones today.
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i would take Sony erricson X1
it shall be also a HTC manufactured device...

papamopps said:
i would take Sony erricson X1
it shall be also a HTC manufactured device...
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I'll have to check that one out.

The X1 looks awesome. I also like the new N95 and of course, the Kaiser.

Id say Xpervia X1 fo sho

Xpervia X1

hidavi said:
Xpervia X1
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did a search -- can't find anything with that name.

Its Xperia NOT Xpervia

Checked out the X1. I still like the HTC Touch Cruise better. No sliding keyboard.
Just my Opinion.

X1 all the way!

wow.. the Xperia x1 looks amazing!!! does anyone know the release date here in America? this is probably going to be my next phone.

which phone?
If the Xperia X1 lives up to the specs I have seen that would be my choice. If not (money no object) I think the Athena. But I would have to take my time and try different devices. I would likely have a larger device (Athena or Imate 7150 or 9502) for the power when I have the storage space to carry it, with a smaller device for everyday carry.

porkch0p said:
wow.. the Xperia x1 looks amazing!!! does anyone know the release date here in America? this is probably going to be my next phone.
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According to Engadgetmobile the X1 will be available during the second half of 2008. http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/sonyericsson-xperia-x1-qwerty-with-windows-mobile/.
For now, I'd go with the HTC Kaiser. I think it's a solid device. I got mines a few weeks ago and loving it. I already flashed it several times with dutty's roms, even switched carriers (tmobile to AT&T) because I was fed up with the mms issues I was having with the 6.1 roms for my herald. Since I switched carriers, I haven't experienced no more mms problems, and enjoy 3g connection, which is much faster than tmobile's edge. Just my two cents

Like everyone else has said, the X1.
Why? Basically, better features, 400MHz, all the good stuff, ya heard? lol
One thing in particular...I heard (actual read, rumors maybe?) is that this phone is going to sell for about $300-400. Do you have any idea how great that sounds? It's even cheaper than the iPhone, but let's not get my hopes up.
A little video maybe many of you have seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuo9CAZCbIE
Two words:
Can't wait.

umchriswho said:
One thing in particular...I heard (actual read, rumors maybe?) is that this phone is going to sell for about $300-400.
Can't wait.
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Whoa!!! Really? Cuz I've seen pre-order reservations right around 1,000..... But we all know how accurate that can be...........
Hopefully you're right and I'll be getting a new phone in about 6 months!

chris30_2001 said:
Whoa!!! Really? Cuz I've seen pre-order reservations right around 1,000..... But we all know how accurate that can be...........
Hopefully you're right and I'll be getting a new phone in about 6 months!
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Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, that was just a stupid post I put earlier about the phone "going to [be] sold for about $300-400."
What the HELL was I thinking? Somebody slap me! I pretty sure this phone will be WAY more like around what you said, Chris.

umchriswho said:
Like everyone else has said, the X1.
Why? Basically, better features, 400MHz, all the good stuff, ya heard? lol
One thing in particular...I heard (actual read, rumors maybe?) is that this phone is going to sell for about $300-400. Do you have any idea how great that sounds? It's even cheaper than the iPhone, but let's not get my hopes up.
A little video maybe many of you have seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuo9CAZCbIE
Two words:
Can't wait.
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well, for unlocked version
Item #: XPERIA X1
Price: $1,099.99
Availability: Friday 30 May, 2008
http://www.popularelect.com/product_info.php?products_id=937

Wow I would pick the Xperia X1 if I have $$ to spare

BUt idon´t like the dpad and joystick.. that really looks awful!!
but the system features are great..

I want to buy HTC X7510(16GB flash,WM6.1,128MB RAM). But, it is too expensive! I m now going to for cheaper ipaq 210. I'm deconverging. I'll be using herald as my phone but for pocket pc related tasks, I'll have the mighty ipaq for those purposes. And since herald will be there with me always, I'll have a 'backup' pocket pc too

Orange Diamond Stock

As I am an employee of Orange I thought I would let you know...
We got an email to day to say there are 3000 handsets "in testing" at the moment, it might not be until August that Online Sales, Phone Sales and Stores will see these handsets. By then they will be Orange Branded.
I would take "in testing" to mean they are putting their own version / skin on the TF3D...um NO!
There was ONLY 413 handsets delivered to ONLY the top 100 stores so thats why they will be hard to find if there are any left. These lucky ones where the "Generic" ones.
I was just lucky I was working the day they where delivered to our store and I got my hands on mine or else I still wouldn't have one...No handset charge, £21 per month, 600mins 2000 texts, 250Mb internet bundle, and Free Insurance.
I work in a top 100 store and we only got 4, I bought mine and we sold the other three in 2 days.... We now have waiting list of about 25 people.... deep joy!
Oh! And from what I have been able to gather from speaking to our Tech Support team Orange's HSDPA coverage is pretty much non-existant unless you are in London and you are sitting on-top of a radio mast, so you may aswell switch it off.
I am finding some funny issues with mine at the moment though....
If I receive 2 text messages one after another (within 30 secs of each other) then the phone vibrates constantly until I take the battery out....anyone else had this?
Also, I installed TomTom 7 on it and for some reason "sometimes" when I call someone once the phone call is connected TomTom starts up all on its own....
The only software I have instlled on the device is TomTom 7 and the latest version of the TF3D config.
the phone is running the following configuration:-
ROM Version: 1.37.405.1 WWE
ROM Date: 12/06/2008
Radio Version: 1.00.25.03
Protocol Version 52.26a.25.09W
.G.

I was told by the Orange rep today that the 3000 were about to be released. They're not going to test all 3000, just a small sample.
Then there'd me no more stock till August.
If that turns out not to be the case then I'll cancel my upgrade.

well im sending mine back on monday so there will be one more lol for someone.
any idea when the toutch pro will be coming out (the reason im sending the diamond back)?

bagg1234bagg said:
well im sending mine back on monday so there will be one more lol for someone.
any idea when the toutch pro will be coming out (the reason im sending the diamond back)?
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Touch Pro is a HELL of a lot thicker, so if the sleek look and feel of the Diamond is your bag it's not quite there with the Touch Pro.
It's not a 'better' phone as such, more aimed at those who demand QWERTY and extendable storage, though it does still look pretty cool.
Release date is allegedly september 1st, but this could be delayed all the more (remember the Shift anyone?)

leoni1980 said:
Touch Pro is a HELL of a lot thicker, so if the sleek look and feel of the Diamond is your bag it's not quite there with the Touch Pro.
It's not a 'better' phone as such, more aimed at those who demand QWERTY and extendable storage, though it does still look pretty cool.
Release date is allegedly september 1st, but this could be delayed all the more (remember the Shift anyone?)
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yeah i know what you meen, but it doesnt bother me coming from the kaiser any way, and all the other previous xda's ive had, i really want the qwerty keyboard thats about it really.

Got my Orange Diamond from mobiles.co.uk - ordered Thursday, sent Friday, delivered Saturday! They clearly have stock (although their website says otherwise!)

kidinspace said:
Oh! And from what I have been able to gather from speaking to our Tech Support team Orange's HSDPA coverage is pretty much non-existant unless you are in London and you are sitting on-top of a radio mast, so you may aswell switch it off.
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Do you know anymore about the HSDPA rollout?
Cheers

huwwatkins said:
Do you know anymore about the HSDPA rollout?
Cheers
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Would love to know more about this sort of thing but I don't even know who I could contact or where on our vast and poorly made intranet system I could I find out more.
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pro looks like a brick
compared to the diamond.....
and when i stuck my diamond next to the new iphone
the iphone looked like a suit case compared to the diamond!
flash your diamond....and you will make it beter!

bagg1234bagg said:
well im sending mine back on monday so there will be one more lol for someone.
any idea when the toutch pro will be coming out (the reason im sending the diamond back)?
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If HTC launch the phone on September 1st then "IF" and only "IF" Orange decide to sell the handset just add about 2 Months to the launch before you would see it in an Orange shop or be able to get it from Orange direct.
e.g. The Diamond was launched, when?... Middle of May?....Only made it into Orange stock 2 months later.
DO NOT phone Orange anytime soon asking if they are doing Touch Pro as we only get about 3 weeks notice (if we are lucky) as to what the phones we will be selling, so nobody will be able to give you an answer, they just want to keep the hype down so that they don't sell out faster than they can get them in.
Also NEVER trust the instore magazine, in my 2 and a half years at Orange I have never ever seen one that has the truth in to for example the July Mag is the first one to have the Diamond in it with it's specification and not as a "Coming Soon" phone, and the mistake they made? They said it had a 5.0Mp camera. Another fave of the magazine people is to publish phones in there as coming soon but then never sell them!
So if you want to Touch Pro on Orange don't hold your breath, you might be lucky and get it just in time for XMAS!
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Also, if you don't like the answer the call centre person gives you, phone up again 5 minutes later - you get a different person and a different answer!
Keep ringing until you get the answer you like. lol

Can i check sth with the person that works for Orange? If we flash our diamond to a better and faster ROM and then sth happens and we have to send it back under warranty, does this invalidate our warranty? cause if we have a generic ROM on the handset, we can always claim it was one of the first ones that were not Orange branded, right?
Thanks

sgiannis said:
Can i check sth with the person that works for Orange? If we flash our diamond to a better and faster ROM and then sth happens and we have to send it back under warranty, does this invalidate our warranty? cause if we have a generic ROM on the handset, we can always claim it was one of the first ones that were not Orange branded, right?
Thanks
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I would say do it, I've never heard of anyone being caught out in two years...
From a legal point of view it does invalidate your warranty...
As they used to say on "Blind Date"....
The Decision Is Yours.....
.G.

kidinspace said:
From a legal point of view it does invalidate your warranty...
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But does it?
I have not read my current T&C, but I found nothing in previous T&Cs to say specifically that that altering the ROM would invalidate the phone warranty.
Technically if the phone is faulty, then it can be returned under warranty and unless the fault was caused directly by the owner/user, then the warranty should be honoured. So if the ROM change caused the fault then you are out of luck, but just because the ROM as been changed, does not mean the fault is the cause of that - for arguments sake a faulty screen or panel button
As this is an electronic device, then updates and enhancements will naturally become available and so its reasonable to assume that these can and should be applied - arguably in the same was as a PC can be upgraded.
But for those not in the UK, check local laws

kidinspace said:
Oh! And from what I have been able to gather from speaking to our Tech Support team Orange's HSDPA coverage is pretty much non-existant unless you are in London and you are sitting on-top of a radio mast, so you may aswell switch it off.
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Orange HSDPA is working well for me when I travel to my 2 local towns - well north of Manchester but its mainly 3G unless I have my t-mobile chip in then in town it's always (H)

PaulusUK said:
But does it?
I have not read my current T&C, but I found nothing in previous T&Cs to say specifically that that altering the ROM would invalidate the phone warranty.
Technically if the phone is faulty, then it can be returned under warranty and unless the fault was caused directly by the owner/user, then the warranty should be honoured. So if the ROM change caused the fault then you are out of luck, but just because the ROM as been changed, does not mean the fault is the cause of that - for arguments sake a faulty screen or panel button
As this is an electronic device, then updates and enhancements will naturally become available and so its reasonable to assume that these can and should be applied - arguably in the same was as a PC can be upgraded.
But for those not in the UK, check local laws
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Sorry, I'm tired, I was getting things confused in my head, removing the SIM LOCK invalidates the warranty unless you get Orange to do it.
ROM updates are ok...
Sorry bout that...
.G.

Coolio! I can update my ROM and its OK!?
I ordered my ROM last saturday online from the Orange website....came on the Tuesday. No Orange branding! Just a small Orange logo on the back of the phone!
Got a few admirers at work. Everyone says its far better looking than the iBrick!
Still in love with my Artemis though! Got iGO8 on both!! ;-)

kidinspace said:
Sorry, I'm tired, I was getting things confused in my head, removing the SIM LOCK invalidates the warranty unless you get Orange to do it.
ROM updates are ok...
Sorry bout that...
.G.
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Good news... now i only have to wait for the diamond to get back in stock as i am eligible for an upgrade on Thursday.
Strange that Vodafone have the handset in stock (in Cambridge anyway) and Orange claim it's going to take a minimum of another couple of weeks... anyway...

sgiannis said:
Good news... now i only have to wait for the diamond to get back in stock as i am eligible for an upgrade on Thursday.
Strange that Vodafone have the handset in stock (in Cambridge anyway) and Orange claim it's going to take a minimum of another couple of weeks... anyway...
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Thats because all the original delivery has generic HTC software on it, the team the "bastardises" the phones are running behind schedule at the moment.
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How can I get them to send it to me without them bastardizing it?

Upgrade Advice

I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?

AndyCr15 said:
I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?
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If you can't upgrade until May then you'll get little joy out of Orange I'm afraid. You have to be in the last three months of your contract before they'll let you upgrade. However, saying that you've got nothing to lose by calling them and you may be able to get a deal if you change your package to a more expensive one.
Cal them first before going the eBay route - as I said you've got nothing to lose.
Is it worth it? Hell, yeah! I was torn between the Diamond and waiting for the Pro, but impatience got the better of me and I plumped for the Diamond.
Even though I've only had it a day I can definitely say that it is fantastic! It's up to you if you want to wait for the Pro. I've come from a TyTN II myself and I sat back and really thought about it before going for the Diamond, and basically asked myself two questions:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
2. How much free space did I have on my 4Gb SD card? 2.5Gb, so for me having 4Gb of non-upgradable storage wasn't an issue.
The final thing that swung it for me was the size of the thing. It's good to have a PDA that's "phone sized", rather than being a huge brick.

Thats a good idea Have a word with Orange and twist there arms, see what you can do. I think my missus is due an Upgrade in August and im sure she will go for the Diamond (but as shes skint, I think shes gonna put it on eBay!!!!!!!)
I love my diamond and have used phones with hardware keyboards and like the post above says, how often do you really use it?
Software professionals and IT gurus would probably miss it as im sure using a hardware keyboard and using the Remote Desktop software is a great combination, but the VGA screen is excellent on the Diamond, its the best phone ive ever owned (and ive had quite a few...see my signature!)
Diamond = Thumbs up. Theres sooo much software and tweaks out at the moment with more software coming out just around the corner!
The futures bright, the futures...errr...Diamond? hehe!

Teppic24 said:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
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Wow, how did you cope without the keypad? I think I probably use it 10-20 times a day and this is the main reason I'm holding back on upgrading I guess.
It looks a fantastic piece of kit... but I don't think I'd like using an onscreen keyboard

How long have you been with Orange?
If it's over a couple of years remind them how much money they have had off you and if that doesn't work tell them you will consider cancelling the contract. Generally they want to keep customers so will eventually give in.
Also, it's always good to ask to speak to their line manager if they can't help.

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Windows Phone 7 on the Rhodium

As many of you are probably aware, Windows Mobile 6.5 or as M$ calls it lately, Windows Phone 6.5 is only a stepping stone on the way to a real mobile OS designed for fingerfriendly devices.
WinMo 6.5 is actually in many terms only a "visual" upgrade of WinMo 6.1 which makes WinMo more fingerfriendly and makes it look more sexy but in the end, it's still Windows Mobile as we know it. (If you disagree just look at the calender application in 6.5 )
What Microsoft is preparing to fight Android, Blackberry OS 5.0 and iPhone OS is Windows Phone 7. Rumors have it that it will be designed from the ground up and will be designed from the beginning for the use on touchscreen devices, designed for input using nothing but your finger. Windows Phone 7 and 6.5 will be marketed parallel, meaning high-end devices will get Windows Phone 7 and lower-end devices will get the 6.5 version.
So what has it all to do with the Rhodium ROM forunm ?
Simple: Since the Rhodium is pretty much a (very)high-end device I am aware that many people will want to use Windows Phone 7 on it, once it is released. You may say: the relese of Windows Phone is due in 2010 and thats a long, long time from now, but most people buy phones to use them at least 2 years and the Touch Pro 2 being such a great device I can easily imagine sticking to it for even longer. (There arent many similiar phones at the time which offer the same build-quality, the same high-res screen or the great 5-row qwerty in one package, and I guess I am lucky if there is 1 new device like this on the market every year.)
But now to my question. Since those rumours say Windows Mobile 7 will be built from the ground-up, do you guys think it will be possible to get this working on the Rhodium ?
I know a lot of this will be speculation but I want to know your opinion.
If the kernel is completely new will it run on the Rhodium ? Will there be any1 even interested in 1-2 years porting this to the Rhodium ?? etc, etc

As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.

In true MS style (now don't get me wrong I'm an MS guy all the way, forget mac, forget linux, forget android, I only use win Mo, and win OS), I'm sure that when 7 drops you're gonna need snap dragon processor or better, just like when 6.5 finally droped most 6.1 mobiles could run it, but not very well. infact ngrz28 ROm on the tp2 is the first device/6.5 rom that it actaully ran smooth on.
back in the day, it use to be the The Software was tryin to keep up with the hardware, then it became the hardware trying to keep up with the the software (say crysis 2 ms os...etc).. But the truth is it will always be the software tryin to keep up with with the software, beacause the hardware companies, intel,TI,SYsop, only release the hardware that has been already developed , and moth balling, when the software has caught up enough... MS ain't **** without Intel, its a sysmbosis between the hardwae developers and the software developers, and a Conspiriousy. Long story short the release of a winmo 7 would me you have to upgrade your hardware, so lets worry about getting the most out of 6.5 and enjoying it

when i bought my tp2 last night the guy at the tmobile store said i can upgrade to windows 7 but i wont have my favs cuz tmobile doesnt support windows 7. JUST A FYI.

Enlefo said:
As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.
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here some pic`s

the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.
check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?

Windows Phone (Moible) 7 only runs on two processors - Snapdragon from Qualcomm and Terga from Nvidia.
In 7 there is a concept of a Chassis - A defined hardware specification which is consistant across all 7.x devices. This will allow MS to brings high end computing (read Xbox) to Moible devices.
http://www.engadget.com/tag/windows+mobile+7+chassis+1/
In Short... The only device which is public today and capable of running 7 is the Zune HD. No other hardware in market has the defined spec 7 needs.

Dalamak said:
the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.
check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?
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I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.

i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL

I don't understand there end game, I'd rather have it put on my my next next bil via the phone order, cause I over paid this bill, and I'll pay the balance next bill, u don't get any advantage going to the store, At&t use to put everything on my bill, even assecories when I went to the store
Rico84 said:
I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.
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futty said:
i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL
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I agree, if I hadn't bought an unlocked a Fuze, I would have stood on my head to get what I wanted LOL.
No but seriously, I grabbed the G1 when T-mobile dopped it, hacked it, finally bricked it beta'ing for JF, sold it, and bought an older Glofiish to to have the Winmo back, but I'm use to having my hardware put on the account, a couple of days wait ain't gonna kill me

Antonius123 said:
here some pic`s
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Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.

HeavyComponent said:
Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.
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personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....
hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....
Thoughts?

slimsuse said:
personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....
hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....
Thoughts?
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Sent you a PM...

I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then

hmm
doublecheese said:
I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then
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hehe yea.. .
but anyway if they say WinMo Chassis is Tegra or Snapdragon, in 2010/2011 those will be pretty antique by then i guess...

I just got the TMo TP2 on a new 2 yr contract. I'll be sticking with it and 6.1/6.5 until I'm a free agent again. Then I'll be looking for a TP3 powered by the Snapdragon 2 and WinMo 7.5. Or maybe wait out a 3rd year for the TP4 and WinMo 8.
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By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.
Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.
P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?
Thanks
Dave

DaveShaw said:
By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.
Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.
P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?
Thanks
Dave
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Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)
The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...
aspect ratio just aint right...

bonevbs said:
Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)
The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...
aspect ratio just aint right...
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Plus, if they're meant to be making it more finger friendly, that version of office definately does not look finger friendly to me... lol