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Best "Walking" Satnav Software Suggestions PLease

I am looking for some info on the best sat nav software for navigating by FOOT (walking),now that i have my new kaiser, this will beused mainly around places like london and any other towns/cities etc, this is mainly for work.
Any help appreciated, i do have tomtom but there walking mode is pretty much useless.
I have had a look at memory map but it looks as though this is used mainly for trekking or walking over countrysides etc.
Thanks

If you dont need all the bells and whistles I have used PocketStreets for exactiy that purpose in the past. I also have TomTom and you are right it is not good for trecking or walking. It is also good if you are going to a different city and want to have a map handy.

dont need all the whistles and bells, just need to make sure it has all the roads / side roads on it. will give pocketstreets a wirl.
anymore suggestions.

anything will work fine for that... pocket streets, tomtom, whatev your preference. im partial to tomtom personally.
just for sat testing i use the free visualgpsce, which works fine on the tytn II
http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/default.htm
jd

i'm using MASPWare v4.4, it's simple and provdes decent info... i had it running on a recent flight and it captured altitude, speed, direction, etc. i've used it mainly to track my speed (or lack thereof) during my 5-7 mile runs... i'll have to check out VisualGPSce...

Need TeleNav

Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS

Here's the cab file for it...

No FREE
fsecor said:
Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS
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After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes

dwny said:
After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes
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Thanks Kyphur for the cab. I'll load it up next.
Understand it's not free (see my post). Had the little external unit for my 8525, and the 9.99 on my bill.
Will now have it internal and continue paying the 9.99.
Thanks again, guys.

You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts

I am not sure about TelNav but TomTom is the BOMB! I truly love it and I did buy the NA/Canada map after using the free one.

Telenav vs. TomTom - dumb question
I have Telenav on my AT&T Tilt - paying the $9.99/month. Does the Tilt support TomTom?

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You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts
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I have used them both... telenav works great, and its really cool that you can set up your destinations online and the new version does traffic, and it runs very well on the Kaiser.... HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate... This is the reason i will always be loyal to other ones such as tomtom or iguidance, etc... and tomtom works great on the kaiser, i have no complaints with it whatsoever..

TomTom on Tilt
After reading your response above, I went to the TomTom site and from what I could find, they do not support the HTC 8925 - something to do with their relationship with HTC which limits their use on only certain HTC devices.
My specific question for those Tilt owners who are using TomTom is - does it use the built in GPS receiver or is TomTom calculating position by triangulating with cell towers (or something like that)?
Bill

It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.

odie3 said:
It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.
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Thanks. Yes - I had seen that thread but I wasn't sure after reading it that TomTom actually worked on the Tilt without any hacks.
I'm not too satisfied with Telenav and wouldn't mind installing TomTom to test it. Is there a way to do so with out first signing up - like a trial period? I wouldn't mind issuing a thread about the difference between the two (I also have an in-dash unit so I can compare the functionality of PDA GPS to in-dash units as well).
Bill

okay, to inquire further, I called Tom Tom and found that:
1. They do not "specifically" support the AT&T tilt (HTC8925). They do show support for the HTC TyTN II surprisingly. I guess I have to assume that if they support the other HTC, their software will function on the AT&T tilt.
2. unfortunately, they do not have a trial period so there is no way of testing their software directly. I guess the only way to do so is to install the Tom Tom File mentioned earlier.
from the previous post I guess it is possible to have both the Telenav software and the TomTom software on the phone without any problem. I guess I will have to check that.

You can load the teaser version (this is their trial version btw) to test w/o issues (there's a link to it on page 1 of my ROM thread: click "kaiser ROM" on my sig to go there). Their trial software doesn't expire; rather it limits the geographical area that the software will function by virtue of the installed maps. In this vein, it will allow you to download a map of your local area and you can play with it. All features such as traffic updates are fully functional. If you like the software, then merely purchase the full America/Canada map.
To obtain fast fixes, be sure to run QuickGPS on a regular basis (fix data is valid for 7 days). When you're within the valid data timeframe, TomTom will acquire a fix in about 30-45 seconds. This is one of the properties of aGPS by the way: obtaining initial position OTA.

ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
TomTom will work fine with no hacks on the tilt.
The tilt, tytn II, kaiser, etc are all the same device.
They dont claim support on the tilt because of AT&T exclusive relationship with telenav.
Now this i could be wrong on but you should be able to install the TOMTOM taster file which is located in this forum and on our FTP server and when it goes to load a map will give you the button for voucher, this should let you download 1 free city map.

HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate...
I have traveled out of coverage and it still worked. it just didn't give turn by turn voice but it still tracked via the gps on the maps and showed were i was going. i guess you would have to loos cell service for a long time for it to take effect. I to also like you can go on the web real quick and enter in an address and just go. thats nice when you have multiple places to go that day and you just type them all in make things easy when you are in sales driving everywhere. I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.

i don't have Tom Tom but i'm happy with Telenav. you can get a 1yr subscription for $99. another Telenav advantage is that maps are updated regularly. with Tom Tom you have to wait for next software version.

I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated

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I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.
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Uhm, they do have traffic updates.

GermanGuy said:
I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated
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you must live within the city or at least very near to it. Traffic updates really don't mean much to people outside of big cities since nobody is keeping track of the traffic situations on urban roads. I once subscribed to XM traffic and found that it was only useful in and around Philadelphia (I live 35 miles southwest of Philadelphia). I am finding the same thing true with Telenav.

shogunmark said:
ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
I want to thank you and sleuth255 for your help this past weekend in getting me started with TomTom. I have it loaded and functional and so far I seem to enjoy it more so than TeleNav.
Bill
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Navizon - earn money while you drive/walk around!

Hi everyone,
I don't know if you have heard of Navizon yet, but it's a great way to earn money by using your phone whilst travelling around with your GPS and Wifi switched on.
Navizon is a wireless positioning system that works a little bit like a GPS, only that it uses Cellular Towers and Wifi access points instead of satellites. In addition to being a wireless position system, Navizon lets you earn money by using the Navizon reward system.
Your phone maps the location of Wifi points and Cell Towers then sends them to Navizon. They give you points for each one you find and 10,000 points = $10 (It sounds like a lot of points BUT they build up really quick, especially if you are mapping areas that nobody else has done yet as you get more points for new areas!)
If you're interested all you need to do is register with Navizon HERE (this is my referral link - by using it to register I get some referral points at no cost to you ) then install the software on your phone from HERE and get Navizon connected to your GPS. Every Wifi access points that you pass, every cell tower that you log will earn you money.
When you have a) registered and b) installed the software - you can make sure it all works ok by loading up Navizon and checking the settings:
Goto Menu>Options> and scroll left to see the GPS tab.
On the GPS tab set the following:
GPS: COM4: (ActiveDevice)
Baud Rate: 4800 (9600 on Tilts/Kaisers is best apparently)
Auto start unticked
Output port: Off
Use Physical output port is ticked.
Then go to the Account tab. Enter the account name and password you registered with - without those nothing syncs and your points go nowhere!
Click OK and if your settings are correct you should start to see three green lights for Phone, Wifi and GPS - it can take a little while to get going. (If you don’t see Wifi, exit the program, launch Wifi, then restart the program)
Your phone should now pick up Access Points (via Wifi) and Cells (Via the Phone) at which point you should see a count appear at the bottom of the screen.
It will start with "0 APs and 0 Cells located" then as it finds a site (either AP or Cell) those numbers will increase e.g. if it found 3 Access Points and 1 Cell Tower you would see 3 APs and 1 Cell located.
Once those numbers show on the counter your phone is seeing sites and you can sync then to add points to your account (Menu > Sync)
It can take a few hours for them to update the points showing on your account so be patient (mine took around 4 hours to appear at first).
For every 10,000 points you gain they send $10 to you via Paypal - its money for (almost) nothing!!
For tips on how to maximise the points you find see THIS post
If you have any questions feel free to ask me.....
Zippyioa

I am going to give this a shot since I drive around a lot. But I installed the software and I am running it....but the Wifi and the GPS aren't doing anything...and I don't see anything to configure these to work.

2 points here 10 pts there and you need 10,000 to get $19.99. AND it has to be different access pts or towers to count for points.
Sorry but this isn't worth the gas spent, imo

DeniaL said:
I am going to give this a shot since I drive around a lot. But I installed the software and I am running it....but the Wifi and the GPS aren't doing anything...and I don't see anything to configure these to work.
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Hi Denial,
If you drive a lot (and make sure you run the software when you do!!) you should get some decent $ as you will find lots of Access Points and Cell towers.
To configure it for GPS click menu>Options>GPS (you may have to scroll left to see the GPS tab)
On the GPS page you need to choose the COM port that is right for your device. My MDA Vario III is COM4: (ActiveDevice) and I chose Baud Rate: 115200 and ticked Auto Start.
It would also be worth making sure you enter your details on the Account tab - you set these up when you registered at http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57
As for the WiFi - I usually turn my wifi on in the comm manager before I start up Navizon.
I hope that helps, but please let me know if you have more questions.
Cheers
Zippyioa

Woof_ said:
2 points here 10 pts there and you need 10,000 to get $19.99. AND it has to be different access pts or towers to count for points.
Sorry but this isn't worth the gas spent, imo
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It depends how you look at it Woof - the points required do look high, but if you drive a lot they rack up quickly - I got just over 500 points driving a mile into town today to go buy my food supplies - a journey I was doing anyway.
It wouldn't be sensible to drive around specifically to make money on this program, but if you are doing the journey anyway surely if you can earn some money whilst doing so - it has to be worthwhile??
Aside from making money whilst using it you can also setup Buddies on it, so if you have friends with GPS enabled devices and they install it, you can see where they are as they drive around.
Also its worth noting that many users have said they find EXTRA Access Points when they are on foot or on a bike as you pick up more when you are going slow. Its great as you get paid to get healthy!
Cheers
Zippyioa

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On the GPS page you need to choose the COM port that is right for your device. My MDA Vario III is COM4: (ActiveDevice) and I chose Baud Rate: 115200 and ticked Auto Start.
It would also be worth making sure you enter your details on the Account tab - you set these up when you registered at http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57
As for the WiFi - I usually turn my wifi on in the comm manager before I start up Navizon.
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Kaiser's GPS should be set to 4800 so you don't corrupt access to it for other programs.
Remember all APs and Cells count as long as it's NEW to YOUR account. It doesn't matter if somebody else already found it first.
Have you seen how many cells and APs lie around? One way on a 50 mile route, you can rack up something like 5000 points.

NuShrike said:
Kaiser's GPS should be set to 4800 so you don't corrupt access to it for other programs.
Remember all APs and Cells count as long as it's NEW to YOUR account. It doesn't matter if somebody else already found it first.
Have you seen how many cells and APs lie around? One way on a 50 mile route, you can rack up something like 5000 points.
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That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?

Tec1106 said:
That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?
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There will be a reduction BUT with new sites going live all the time and/or by taking a new route to work or to the shops or friends you can find new sites all the time.
Anytime you go somewhere new just make sure you have Navizon running and you will get points which will get you money - what have you got to lose?
Register here http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAd...e=5D565A5C5A57 Install the software and start earning!
Cheers
Zippyioa

Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?

tyeo098 said:
Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?
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It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers. As far I understand it none of these are chargeable or use data.
The position of access points and cell towers is stored in a file which is sent to Navizon using a data connection. By default this is set to sync once per day (at which point it would probably use your cells data connection) however you can disable the auto sync and choose to do it manually - at this point you could use Wifi or an Activesync connection to avoid data charges.
You can stop the auto sync as follows: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily
Cheers
Zippyioa

zippyioa said:
It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers
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I smell extreme battery drain

Tec1106 said:
I smell extreme battery drain
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Its not great on battery but when you are in the car you can use a car charger so its no problem really.
It is a bit of an issue when on foot or on a bike, but if you are not out for too long and you know you can top it back up again (either by car charger or power socket) again it is not too big an issue.
Hey, you could always use the money you earn to buy a spare battery
Cheers
Zippyioa

Car charger huh?
You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers

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Car charger huh?
You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers
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I have seen a few posts here and there but never had an issue myself.
I have an MDA Vario III from T-Mobile UK and use a car charger that I bought on eBay for my old XDA Orbit. Have been using this setup since the start of October with no problems so I guess I have never really been too bothered about this issue.
Thanks for bringing it up though.
Zippyioa

When I first heard about this program on Friday morning I was unsure that I would ever reach 10,000 points.
For those of you thinking the same, my hometown of Stratford-upon-Avon is not that built up an area. I have only travelled to and from work 10 miles away from home (using mostly rural roads with few buildings) and today into town and back (which is much more built up - lots of APs and cell towers).
I have already built up over 1200 points just on those two drives (25 miles) - that is without travelling around REALLY dense urban areas (big cities) with lots of buildings and also without walking around - just driving which misses lots of sites as it doesnt have time to log them!!
Cheers
Zippyioa

Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.

yep.. navizon is super .last week i accumulate 35000 points ( 60$ )
and total amount of money what i earn form navizon up today is 333.03 dollars

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Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.
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I completly get the beating part. For me, it feels like this guy is using this forum as a free commercial space for his or his employers product. I don't have not too much respect for that, as this is a Developers and users forum. Forgive me if I'm wrong, though
If I'm wrong, then I recommend not making your posts so cheezy and ad-like. When I read the text, it feels like I'm reading a marketing text for a new product, or so. That's why people turn naysayers

Hi Tec1106,
Thank you for the reality check - I hadn't realised how cheesy my first post sounded - point taken and amendments have now been made - hopefully it reads better now?
I guess years of working in sales have taken their toll on me as I didn't even realise I was doing it!
I work for a data cleansing company in Warwick UK and have no link to Navizon other than recently joining this scheme. I found this software through Paul at Modaco on Friday morning, saw the potential to earn money from it and wanted to share that chance to earn money with everyone here.
I have been using the XDA developers site for several years now to help me fix issues on my phone and I thought this would be a nice way to pay everyone back for the help they have given me - I also thought it was nice to earn something back from our expensive devices for a change.
Zippyioa

Zip I would agree on the cheesy part. I did however sign up using your code just to give it a try. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the tip.

telenav maps and gps for tilt?

I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.

sounds like you need to talk to att or telenav

There's a cab floating around, search on the forum for it. I think Dutty has one on his site too.
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1911luver said:
I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
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yes $9.99/month unless you know someone at AT$T. that's the only way to get turn by turn talking directions w/ telenav.

hey thanks guys so your saying if i use the "upgrade to gps navgation" option for $9.99 a month ill get the talking turn by turn directions? Also is there anyway to route the audio to my bluetooth headset?

Go to the TeleNav site. They have a free 30 day demo and their site pretty much sums up everything you need to know.
Afaik, TeleNav is about the only GPS mapping program that you can speak your destination into and it will come up with a route. It calls a toll-free number and does it via voice recognition.
Their POI database is much larger than most as well. Map updates are (supposedly) every three months, unlike others which may be years.
Mack

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1911luver said:
I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
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I have been using TeleNav for a couple of months past the 30 day trial and have been pleased with it. My rational is that for 10 bucks a month I can go 20-30 months ($200-$300) which is what I would spend on a separate GPS that I would have to replace by that time anyhow. If a real killer deal comes up on a separate GPS I can just cancel this service.
Some of the things I like are:
1. Street announcements for turns. A friend just got a new Tom-Tom so we were using them together in the car. I do prefer the way the TeleNav communicates the route by street names.
2. I have used the call in service while I was driving and it worked well.
3. I like the choices of the way you want your route to be planned. Your choices are:
Fastest
Shortest
Traffic Optimized
Prefer Streets
Prefer highways
Pedestrian
4. Web site ability to set up routes.
5. It seems to "play well" with the other two programs that I usually run with it (Navizon and another favorite GPS Speed - http://tchartdev.com/ )
No bad negatives but:
1. When the screen dims and I touch it to bring the screen up I sometimes move my position a bit but it is recoverable quickly.
2. Of course screen size but that is just the nature of GPS on the Tilt.
3. Volume is better with the new ROM update and KTweak but I still would like it louder - "Huh Wad ya say"
4. I would like an easy way to repeat the last direction due to 3 above.
Neutral:
Sometimes I can't find the closest Wal-Mart when traveling but that is the same problem I had with the Never-Lost that I used to get in the Hertz cars I rented while traveling out of town.
It wasn't until I let the trial time expire and I had to pay for it one month that I really started to play with the features so I will probably keep it for the foreseeable future.
Overall, I would think it is worth spending 10 - 20 bucks for a couple of extra months to see if you really find it useful.

TomTom Traffic Subscription rates go up 5 fold, Alternative here

Hi Everyone...
For the longest time I have been TomTom's #1 Supporter it seems... I always reccomend it to anyone who was willing to listen... I live in the Milwaukee area, and there are always construction projects, traffic jams, etc all over the place. TomTom was great because I could get traffic updates for under $30/yr.. It was a price I could justify spending each month onto of what I already paid for the software and phone service.
My annual subscription because due a few weeks ago... and I was shocked that it went from abotu $2/mo to $10/mo... I called a rep and they explained to me that it was because now when you subscribe to traffic, you get the entire "TomTom Live" package which includes things like gas prices, weather, etc... Seeing as I have the weather tab on my phone, and know how to check gad prices outside of TomTom, I explained that I really only wanted the traffic... Unfortunatly he explained there is no way to purchase it by itself anymore.... and I can't justify spending $120/yr for the traffic...
I decided to try out some of the other GPS programs... I tried many out back when I first decided on TomTom a few years ago... and many of them have come a long ways.... the one the suprised me the most was the one built in Bing.... It is 100% free, takes up very little space on my device (where my TomTom Map takes up over 1gb), and offers FREE traffic.. Don;t get me wrong, the interface is not as good as TomTom.. but for what it offers, it is great! I do the hybrid overlap map that is the roads along with the areal view from sat images... It loaded the map on the fly as I was driving, even at highway speeds... Its traffic information was accurate.. and its directions were good as well...
There were a few draw backs though... It always has "North" on the top of the screen.. so when I was physicalyl headign south, the image looked "upside down" compaired to how I was used to TomTom looking... And of course there was no C3PO guiding my turns with his voice.. "Depart Master" ..... But over all, I would give it a 7/10 when I combine that it was accurate, takes up almost no space on my SD card, live traffic and other features, and the photo overlays is a cool feature...
So, if you are like me and can no longer afford/justify paying TomTom their new rates, give Bing a shot... If they can work out the few things here I mentioned, I bet it can become a first rate GPS program.
If anyone else has some other suggestions of a setup that is affordable, and supports traffic, pelase share with us..