I got a Diamond about a month ago, and i have been a very long customer of HTC, since the days of xda 2s/Blue angel to xda orbit2/Polaris.
now i have the Diamond, im really wondering if i should have bothered getting the iphone 3g.
it seems to be the slowest device i have ever had.... and it is due to the touchflo3d app. which i will be honest, i love it. its great and works well, even when skinned. but after a soft reset, just after flo3d boots up, i am using 60% of the memory, is this normal? if this is, then this is unacceptable for a device that does not have enough memory to run.
if i unload flo3d, i can get it down to about 50%, which is better, but with a boring homescreen.
so, this now means that windows uses half of the system memory just to run, 60% with flo3d and if i run wifi and Opera or youtube together, about 80% of the time i get "the device is low on memory" message.
My question is , is this normal? and is there anything i can do to make my situation better? i am currently running the Syrius WWE 1.00.25.03 rom....
cheers and sorry bout the rant...
I personally don't like TF3D, I think it's badly flawed and half-finished. I'm running Panosha's ultra-lite Shimple 1.1 ROM without TF3D, using a bunch of SPB today plugins and my free memory is 72MB after a soft reset.
Having said that, there are ways to keep TF3D and improve the memory situation. Disabling the HTC dialer and volume control can gain you as much as 12MB for example.
Some ROMs save more memory than others, I haven't tried that many of them but HallengreeN's is meant to be quite good in this respect. He has a new one coming out this weekend apparently.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429147
Memory issues?
I'm using HTC standard 1.93 ROM. Never had any 'Out of memory' messages. Never had any slow device issues. I use MemMaid to clean up my device once a day and make sure applications close, not minimise using HTC Task Manager.
I certainly don't agree that TF3D is badly flawed and half finished... but we're all entitled to our own opinions
Just to clarify my previous post, I've never had any "the device is low on memory" messages so that part isn't normal. I'd definitely recommend a new ROM or at least a hard reset.
Your memory figures do sound fairly normal though, TF3D is a memory hog and I used to get bad delays with it. This would have been with one of Dutty's 1.93 ROMs back in August/September.
Reflash and lose the dialer and things should improve!
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I personally don't like TF3D, I think it's badly flawed and half-finished. I'm running Panosha's ultra-lite Shimple 1.1 ROM without TF3D, using a bunch of SPB today plugins and my free memory is 72MB after a soft reset.
Having said that, there are ways to keep TF3D and improve the memory situation. Disabling the HTC dialer and volume control can gain you as much as 12MB for example.
Some ROMs save more memory than others, I haven't tried that many of them but HallengreeN's is meant to be quite good in this respect. He has a new one coming out this weekend apparently.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429147
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Could you give more details on how to go about on that? Where and how can I disable the volume control and dialer?
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Could you give more details on how to go about on that? Where and how can I disable the volume control and dialer?
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The easiest way to disable the dialer is to use either Schaps Advanced Configuration Tool or Diamond Tweak. Diamond Tweak also has a setting for disabling the HTC Volume Control but it doesn't work on newer ROMs so the only working method is by cab file.
See post #2 of this thread for more details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434934
Hi guys,
I see lots of stuff in here about how to flash your rom and endless threads of different types of cooked ROMs etc but I can't see anywhere anything to explain why people are doing this.
Would someone mind just very briefly telling me the pros and cons of flashing?
Thanks.
pros:
-often get new features - like the new touch flow interface from the new rhodium and topaz htc phones. without flashing, you wouldnt be able to get this.
-you can install new OSs such as windows mobile 6.5
-if you want to, you can install "lite" ROMs which have very little features and as a result are faster
-you can also get "heavier" ROMs which tend to be a bit slower (with some ROMs such as Duttys, the difference is small)
-have many features/apps already "cooked" into the ROM to save you installing them yourself after a hard reset
-some have new drivers which improve performance.
-some have custom interfaces
-process isnt that hard once youve got hardspl/uspl sorted (and that gets easy after a short while too). its all run through an app on your computer with your HTC connected via activesync to your computer which is about as easy as installing a program (just click next, i agree etc.)
CONs
-can take a bit of time to get used to the process
-if you dont use a backup app, youll have to reinstall all your apps and contacts (everything on the main memory is wiped clean thugh SD cards are left untouched)
-if the cabe gets disconnected or the computer loses power during the flash, you can screw up your htc pretty bad
If you use your HTC for more than just its basic features and want to get the most out of it, definately flash a new ROM. the performance increase is noticeable going from a stock ROM to a well cooked ROM. Duttys 3.3 XT is a good place to start, however, youll have to hardspl your phone with the latest hardspl (its one of the stickies on this subforum)
Hi 449514
The main reasons are that either people are dis-satisfied with the way that the stock TF3D interface works for them and try to customise certain elements of it and/or they are trying to improve the speed, battery life and or memory available on their machines.
Those are the pros, of course the con is that there is no "official" commercial support for any of these Roms as they have been developed on a personal basis.
Hope that clarifies matters.
Kaid
Yes, is a Crazy World... I like it..
That's brilliant guys. Nice and simple. Makes perfect sense to me now and I understand the stuff in the other threads a bit better now!
I'll have a further read of all the stuff and then go from there.
Thanks a lot
maybe it's the reason 4all of us buying a wm device,the potential & possibilities are endless..
like in thread. I cooked WM6.5.3, build 28205 with Palm OEM. All works: sleep with red button, messaging etc. Without CHome etc (lockscreen too).
Known bug is not opening Start after tapping icon on the screen. You must open Start with hardbutton.
Please test, I try to fix any bugs you find
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phone need to be hard spl unlocked?
nice work!
but :
1. when you push the phone buttom there is a white sqare that stay for ever...
2. you can choose ringtone only from the phone itself and not from the card.
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1. when you push the phone buttom there is a white sqare that stay for ever...
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oh, really ? I fix this when I could.
Thanks for your efforts! The WM6.5 work for the Treo has slowed to a crawl. Nice to see there are a few of us that still like the Treo's form-factor.
Wow, I really like this ROM. I thought nav's was cool, this is even better! As with nav's ROM, I'll pitch in with some bug reporting.
-Palm's messaging app cannot be closed. It can't be exited, apparently, when I tap the close button on the bottom right it won't close the program. I used Wakutask to minimize it but that's the closest way to minimizing it on one tap (another way to minimize it it to open Start ->Show Today and it should go to the RAM.) Unfortunately, I am unable to use the Task Manager to close it as well. Only a Reboot will clear it away.
-Where is the "Keyguard" control panel applet? I want to turn off keyguard but cannot find the option.
Some other none-Palm related issues:
-When I install FileExplorer Ext, it freezes the phone randomly. Could be a probem with it, so I use Resco explorer for installing cabs :/
-HTC Task Manager doesn't work. Does anyone know which task managing progam is good for the new close button position?
-The aforementioned Waku Task works as designed, but as I mentioned earlier the close button no longer works at the top right (it would if you enable X-button skinning), but having active tasks still on the top bar is great
So, seeing how good this ROM is, minus the above issues, I'm wondering what should we call this ROM? Mietas edition?
Thanks again fo keeping the Treo alive!
more bugs
1.it did not let me to install new programs. I did an hard reset and then i succeed to install softwares.
2.i installed spb keyboard, and when i entered to menu in this software it freez and i needed to do a reset.
Oh this is issue is tottaly awesome. I didnt hope, that someone make new stable rom, with palm oem things. how much free ram is after installation? Want you fix the remaining bugs shortly? I didnt already install it, but i'm going to try it tomorrow.
Many thanks from treo user from czech.
I fix bugs as soon I get a Treo. Probably this week.
Thanks for reporting bugs so much
What about stability, RAM etc?
Finally had the chance to install it. Nice work!
1) I have to admit that I do miss the 'Zune' look of the earlier version's homescreen, but will gladly give it up for the stability and features of this ROM.
2) I had an issue trying to select a ringtone on the Phone Settings Screen. It looks like there is an extra dropdown menu covering up the one where you actually select the ringtone. Once you managed to select the proper dropdown, you could change the ringtone, it just took a little fiddling.
3) When I tried changing themes for the today screen, once switching off the AT&T screen, I couldn't get it back the way it was before the switch. Some of the menus, fonts, and graphics had changed (for example the lower menu bar on the home screen), and the only way I could find to restore it was a hard reset.
4) As others have said, clicking on the Windows logo on the home screen doesn't do anything. You have to use the Windows button on the keyboard.
5) I didn't have the issue reported by mangatron regarding the Messaging app. Mine seems to work fine.
6) The Phone button issue reported by libal is present for me too. It appears to be the menu box that popped up when pressing the phone button, only it goes blank, and as reported it does not go away by leaving that screen. Soft reset does clear it.
Any chance you could share your kitchen with us? This would allow us to make a few of these fixes and will allow us to port to other versions.
Also - When using any mail program it will not allow any reply to an email.
Hmm, Messaging app works fine now. Maybe I had to receive a few sms first, or I suspect my sim card wasn't playing nice with the ROM.
I also use AE Button Plus to map the OK button to actually close programs. That does wonders.
The old battery indicator that used to be in WM6 is half in the top bar. Well, I say half because I can see a part of the lightning icon (when you charge your phone), and a bit of the left shows up. Any way to clear that? Or a bug maybe...
I would like to note people using this ROM for the first time:
-It's always best to clear data after flashing ROM's. Hold Power button and press the Reset button underneath the MiniSD cover. That should clear the old installation setup you had previously, which should fix installation errors.
-The phone may seem sluggish at first setup, just wait for it to load what needs to load, and after you soft reset, everything should be smooth.
-For those that wonder about program compatibility, I tested a WM2003 era program (MADE Text Editor), and it simply overwrites the bottom bar with it's WM2003 style icon style bar. Works fine
As for stability, RAM, the phone operates a bit slower than WM6.1. SKTools benchmarks puts the graphics rendering nearly 100 points lower than WM6.1, and almost 200 points lower than nav's WM6.5 ROM. Maybe if we use his specialized ATI dll it might be faster? Because the CPU is also a bit slow, but only by 1 point, although RAM access time and Main Storage Read/Write is the same as WM6/6.1. I don't really want to tax the RAM, I tested Opera Mobile 10 Beta 2u and it operates the same way as on WM6/6.1. I don't want to test Beta 3 because that uses up twice the RAM than Beta 2u.
So far so good though, with a little bit of fixing this ROM can be a winner
Can this be used on Treo 700WX?
or is there WM6.5 ROM for Treo 700WX?
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As for stability, RAM, the phone operates a bit slower than WM6.1. SKTools benchmarks puts the graphics rendering nearly 100 points lower than WM6.1, and almost 200 points lower than nav's WM6.5 ROM. Maybe if we use his specialized ATI dll it might be faster? Because the CPU is also a bit slow, but only by 1 point, although RAM access time and Main Storage Read/Write is the same as WM6/6.1. I don't really want to tax the RAM, I tested Opera Mobile 10 Beta 2u and it operates the same way as on WM6/6.1. I don't want to test Beta 3 because that uses up twice the RAM than Beta 2u.
So far so good though, with a little bit of fixing this ROM can be a winner
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I can't readily compare to 6.1 because I haven't used it in a long time, but this ROM is definitely snappier than nav's 6.5 version. It loads faster, locks onto AT&T much faster, and web pages seem to load faster too. I'm just using it stock, I haven't added any additional software to it. I had nav's ROM on my Treo for several months, and would not go back from a performance perspective.
Having said that, I can confirm Z3rx's report of not being able to reply to emails. It just returns you to the Inbox when selecting reply either through the menu, or using the left action key. That's a big problem for me as I use e-mail quite a bit on my phone. Hope the OP doesn't disappear, as so many of the Treo 750 cookers seem to do after an initial release.
just wanted to say thanks! i also lost confidence in new wm6.5 roms for our old but good treo 750!
keep up the good work man!
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I can't readily compare to 6.1 because I haven't used it in a long time, but this ROM is definitely snappier than nav's 6.5 version. It loads faster, locks onto AT&T much faster, and web pages seem to load faster too. I'm just using it stock, I haven't added any additional software to it. I had nav's ROM on my Treo for several months, and would not go back from a performance perspective.
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Hmm, I can only imagine with nav's ATI driver this Mietas ROM would be a whole lot better, nav's was good basically for font rendering (pretty much every program launched) and Camera quality. The rest, was like you mentioned, it wasn't optimized in a lot of places, most notably for it's RAM management and I would suspect CHome/Titanium existing in his ROM further slowed it down.
Other than that, isn't signal clarity/reception dependant on the Radio Firmware version? Although I wouldn't be surprised because Nav's ROM does not pull both CAP_package and the Carrier database from EXT Rom like Mietas' ROM [probably] does (which would explain it being able to lock on faster, a similar experience I had with Tacoman's WM6.1 and the Chinese WM6.1, with Taco's pulling from EXT Rom while the CHS one didn't)
I would like to add that I currently am using the Database from what was most likely the final Official ENG ROM released by Palm, Vodafone Version 2.30 which according to my digging contains the most up to date Carrier Database (that's where all the world's wireless carrier information is kept). I could imagine if you had this you'd have even better results with your wireless carrier.
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Other than that, isn't signal clarity/reception dependant on the Radio Firmware version? Although I wouldn't be surprised because Nav's ROM does not pull both CAP_package and the Carrier database from EXT Rom like Mietas' ROM [probably] does (which would explain it being able to lock on faster, a similar experience I had with Tacoman's WM6.1 and the Chinese WM6.1, with Taco's pulling from EXT Rom while the CHS one didn't)
I would like to add that I currently am using the Database from what was most likely the final Official ENG ROM released by Palm, Vodafone Version 2.30 which according to my digging contains the most up to date Carrier Database (that's where all the world's wireless carrier information is kept). I could imagine if you had this you'd have even better results with your wireless carrier.
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I'm on AT&T, and did not change the radio firmware when I flashed this ROM. On Nav's ROM I manually set up the AT&T config, but did not have to here. Could be the difference I suppose.
startngate said:
I can't readily compare to 6.1 because I haven't used it in a long time, but this ROM is definitely snappier than nav's 6.5 version. It loads faster, locks onto AT&T much faster, and web pages seem to load faster too. I'm just using it stock, I haven't added any additional software to it. I had nav's ROM on my Treo for several months, and would not go back from a performance perspective.
Having said that, I can confirm Z3rx's report of not being able to reply to emails. It just returns you to the Inbox when selecting reply either through the menu, or using the left action key. That's a big problem for me as I use e-mail quite a bit on my phone. Hope the OP doesn't disappear, as so many of the Treo 750 cookers seem to do after an initial release.
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I agree that I hope the cook does not disappear, which is why I have asked for his cooked kitchen so I can make further improvements or port other version (23541)... however I have not heard anything back.
The email issue is a big problem as many times I can not even start a new email.
Please share your work so we can make a great rom!
Thank you, i was specting for something like this for about a year, anyone has some pictures of this new ROM working???
how the radio works how can i change the radio to get a better signal? here we have 850 umts and gsm 1800
hello i have a question...the only two options we have for the kaiser is windows mobile and Android or we can flash it to something else?i bought this cell phone here in greece for 750 euro when it first came out but it's laggy!and i mean really laggy...i tried almost all the roms available but in the end the fastest was the factory one so i came back to it...i was hoping that Android (like every linux system)would run much faster than windows mobile but i had no luck either and the camera-bluetooth issue really annoys me...so is there a way to make this phone fast?either changing the o.s or i don't know maybe another way?i see other htc's like HD2 and Htc Touch II and they are so fast with the menus and everything...not to mention the iphone...jesus christ i press the messages button and it takes about 3 seconds to open the menu and another three seconds to let me start typing...also when i start typing the text start to show after i finished a whole sentence and sometimes is corrupt (characters missing)...anyone else experiencing the same issues?is there something to be done or i just have to get another phone?last i forgot to mention that i used Android with the haret method and not the full flash.is it a big difference?to me it's the same or worse from windows mobile...thanks!
anyone?come on 120 views and 0 reply?
Windows Mobile and Android are the only options. Android is a ported version for the Kaiser and will only run on top of WM. It will never be as good as or as fast as a version running natively because no version was ever made to run on the Kaiser. So for now and in the near ( and far ) future, it is what it is, a slower ported version.
I can't agree with you on the laggyness of the Kaiser or of " all " the custom roms. I have used many and find them at least as fast as stock and in most cases ( due to the lack of carrier bloatware ) much faster.
Are you seriously comparing a 2+ year old phone ( Kaiser ) with a 400Mhz processor and 128Mb of ram with HTC's current flagship model ( HD2 ) with a 1Ghz snapdragon processor and 448 Mb of ram. Gee I wonder why it is faster
2+ years ago, the iPhone didn't even have 3G. You need to compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. If you want a blazingly fast . state of the art phone, don't buy a 2+ model year old phone.
For now, try flashing a lite or naked rom. Add only the apps that you want. Get and use a good task manager so that you can easily kill all background tasks and apps that are not being used. Get " Cleartemp " and "Clean Ram"
to clean out unwanted left over files and use KaiserTweaks or Advanced Configuration to tweak the performance. You will feel like you have a new ( 2 year old ) phone.
thanks for the advice...any chance of overclocking the phone?
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thanks for the advice...any chance of overclocking the phone?
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No you can't overclock the Qualcomm MSM7200.
denco7 said:
Windows Mobile and Android are the only options. Android is a ported version for the Kaiser and will only run on top of WM.
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I beg to differ:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634782
Well if you are so good at searching, why don't you just search for the answers you need. They are out there and apparently all you have to do is look for them.
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I beg to differ:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634782
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I stand corrected, it is tough to keep up on new versions of things you care nothing about. Apparently last month they came out with a version that erases WM and will run from NAND.
Still no Camera, still no Bluetooth, still no Flash,Java or YouTube.
Can't run WM apps, think you are limited on what Android apps can be run. Version still a bit wonky and requires a lot of user input to setup and get working properly, but hey, you get to say that you have Android running on your Tilt.
Hi i have tryed to search for it but don't think i am typing the correct thing. What are the benifit of putting a updated rom on my Toch HD? I just put htc's latest on and see no diffrence. I have been looking at overclocking it slightly as i think it runs so slow has any one done this?
Regards
Chris W
You cannot overclock (atleast not where stable) the blackstone. there was a program floating about at one point which did OC it to 600MHz (something like that) but that would crash if touchflow was enabled, but i digress. To improve performance, i suggest you install the driverpack which is in the how to improve graphics performance thread in this forum.
If you want some more speed, i suggest you install a custom 6.1 ROM (topix, the one by kwbr, is a personal favourite). alternatively, you could adjust the pagepool of the ROM youre on atm (would require the ROM image youre using and later a reflash of the edited image)
That said, the stock ROM was very quick for me. programs loaded almost instantaeously (most apps, like notes, youtube, WMP, but not opera or games, as these always take a second or too to load onto RAM). the only thing that put me off the stock ROM, was the fact that everything worked a bit too well for my liking. it was kinda boring. ever since i started screwing around with it (with this aid of this forum ofc), ive been able to do much more than i could with just a stock ROM.