Hi All,
Is it my phone or is it a problem with the diamond in that I find it almost impossible to use the d pad to go left and right. Up and down works a treat, but left either makes a call or goes to the home page and when I want to naiviagte right, well it mostly causes the centre dpad to click. Any ideas, send the phone back; it's almost impossible to play worms!
i have the same problem. i think it is not a manufacturing problem, it is designed as is.
i have seen somewhere in the manual, that htc recommends to use the finger nails to press the navigation buttons.
Same behaviour here. It's just bad design. Not a fault of your particular device.
Thats so Cr*p!, don't get me wrong, I love the phone, but that is bad manufacturing, I though HTC were better than that. I am disappointed that they get everything else so nice, but screw up the nav keys, they are pretty damn important. It like saying the that the "T" key on the keyboard sometimes gives you "T" but sometimes it'll give you "R".!! Anyone tries talking to HTC about it?
Oh well, I'll just roll over and take it --- again
Hi there,
just keep in mind that the navigation left/right uses the same (physical) switch as the other buttons. the function called is just determined by the position of your fingers on the capazitive touch element. So you just hav to be quite precise. pressing with the whole of your thumb can cause the problems you state. use your fingertips instead and everything will be fine.
in the beginning I had some trouble but my problem was that I pressed too close to the centre button... I have no problem pressing left or right now. The sweetspot is about the middle between the edge of teh circular button and the home/phone keys
KnOeFz said:
in the beginning I had some trouble but my problem was that I pressed too close to the centre button... I have no problem pressing left or right now. The sweetspot is about the middle between the edge of teh circular button and the home/phone keys
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I also find it helps to press a little bit lower than you might think (especially on the right button)
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just keep in mind that the navigation left/right uses the same (physical) switch as the other buttons. the function called is just determined by the position of your fingers on the capazitive touch element.
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Hey, wow. Thanks a lot. That's really the point.
Ever worried about pressing one of the other buttons (Home, Back, Send, End) when pressing to far outside the center. But now that I realised that there are no other buttons to accidently hit, everything works quite fine.
would be great if someone finally finds out how to remap buttons. in that case i am the first to reassign the home button with the left key and back button with right key...
Wish it would be possible to touch the wheel and get LEFT/RIGHT instead of pressing them. Would make it so much easier to use the wheel/pad buttons.
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Hey, wow. Thanks a lot. That's really the point.
Ever worried about pressing one of the other buttons (Home, Back, Send, End) when pressing to far outside the center. But now that I realised that there are no other buttons to accidently hit, everything works quite fine.
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The hint was also very usefull to me, thank you so much slow23, you made my day
regards,
Daniel
Remap light wheel for up down left right
Now that sounds like a wicked idea. Remap it so that when the touch sensitive circular wheel is not being used for it's whizzy ipod type wheel capability, it is instead used for touch sensitive left, right, up or down!.
Hmm, I'd donate for sure for that to happen!
funny thing about those hardware keys is that they are combined with a capacitive key, eg, try to press the home key with the back of your stylus without touching the button with your finger. it wil respond as dail key pressed.
If you try to press al the buttons at once, there is only one click at either side
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No need to repeat the plethora of good things about the kaiser.......BUT
Here is some issues that -in my opinion- need to be fixed (feel free to add your own)
1. when you select "when device is off, lock all the buttons except power button" it doesnt disable the keyboard slide from activating/turning on the device (usually in the most inappropriate moments) like when in your pocket
2. this issue is universal among all PPC devices, and its very annoying ( oddly enough no one else seems to think so). THE TOUCH SCREEN SHOULD NOT BE ACTIVATED WHEN THE PHONE RINGS OR FROM ANY OTHER KIND OF NOTIFICATIONS!!!!!!!
Thats why we have hard buttons! Picture this scenario if you will.
When the phone rings the screen shows the caller (the touch screen is not activated) if you want to take the call/or respond to a notification you can use the "phone/green" button to take the call (touch screen is still deactivated), if you need to used the touch screen you can then press the power button to activate it......this way you are not using the touch screen with your ear or in your pocket if a call or a notification goes unanswered
BTW there is a big issue that cant be solved.I'm only posting it in case HTC is reading this THIS PHONE WAS DESIGNED FOR LEFT HANDED PEOPLE!!!!!!
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why do you think that it "was designed for left handed people" ?
Hi, I just go mine yesterday but I can't really understand why do you think it was designed for left handed people ?
hanza said:
Hi, I just go mine yesterday but I can't really understand why do you think it was designed for left handed people ?
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Scroll wheel and OK button are on the left But I find it convenient because this configuration combines nicely with the right finger for seamless navigation on the device
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Scroll wheel and OK button are on the left But I find it convenient because this configuration combines nicely with the right finger for seamless navigation on the device
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Sorry, I'm slow. If the scroll wheel and OK buttons are on the left, and I hold the phone in my left hand (because I'm right handed and I want the stylus in my right hand) then I would use my left thumb to access the scroll wheel and OK buttons, which seems perfectly intuitive. I must be missing something.....
well nunmber 1 you might have a point it does not realy bother me tho as i always keep my ppc in a case not my pocket so have never had the keyboard open on me.
Number 2 is a feature not a promblem. personaly I love that it comes on and lights up when there is a incoming call. Esp when im in a nosiey room ect and i would not be able to hear the ringer anyways.
number 3 well I just think your way off base here. Im right handed and I always felt the old wizard/tytn where the ones that where backasswards. But then again this is coming from someone in his mid 20's who grew up with game controlers with the main movement keys on the left so it just feels right to have the kaiser setup that way also. And being able to use the stylus in my right hand while useing the main control in left feels correct.
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well nunmber 1 you might have a point it does not realy bother me tho as i always keep my ppc in a case not my pocket so have never had the keyboard open on me.
Number 2 is a feature not a promblem. personaly I love that it comes on and lights up when there is a incoming call. Esp when im in a nosiey room ect and i would not be able to hear the ringer anyways.
number 3 well I just think your way off base here. Im right handed and I always felt the old wizard/tytn where the ones that where backasswards. But then again this is coming from someone in his mid 20's who grew up with game controlers with the main movement keys on the left so it just feels right to have the kaiser setup that way also. And being able to use the stylus in my right hand while useing the main control in left feels correct.
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Ok, the keyboard slide is causing a problem for me (it turned on twice in my pocket as I got on my motorcycle) Ive only had it for two days
(i guess baggy pants could solve that...but its still a flaw)
On number 2, I think you misunderstood! I'm not suggesting that the SCREEN shouldn't turn on, but I insist that the TOUCHSCREEN (the touch function) is useless and annoying if it comes on automatically when the phone rings or when a text message comes in.
In the past I tried to use "TPEnable" and "TPDisable" in order to shut off the touch function, and when I had the HTC Wizard I would just reach on top and hit the power button after I answered the call (so that the screen wasnt on while I had the phone in my ear) but now, with the relocation of the power button on the Kaiser its harder to do
As far as the "lefthanded" issue is concerned, the idea is for WM6 to be used with ONE HAND, so the "holding the stylus with my right hand argument" that many people have suggested would not be popular with the WM6 folks, since a big part of advertising their new OS was its "ONE-HANDED OPERATION"
I agree though, that if we look beyond the "one handed use", the interface is intuitive and easier to use with two hands
Well....no one can do anything about the hardware at this point but I hope someone can shed some light on the touchscreen issue
Thanks
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Sorry, I'm slow. If the scroll wheel and OK buttons are on the left, and I hold the phone in my left hand (because I'm right handed and I want the stylus in my right hand) then I would use my left thumb to access the scroll wheel and OK buttons, which seems perfectly intuitive. I must be missing something.....
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nahhh !!
Picture the keyboard slided out already ... that's what the OP meant by -->> LEFT HANDED
I think it's only 1/2 crippled ... because at the HTC home today, you have the option to rotate the screen at 90 >> L << degree angle ... though making it more then "right-hand-do-able" in landscape games and the buttons are at my right thumb --->>>( keyboard CLOSED by the way )
it's only when the keyboard are slided out that it becomes "left handed" ...works for some due to right hand stylus
MY GRIPE is with the "VIDEO CONFERENCING" camera !!
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1506877&postcount=1
gotta be a fix for it "SOON" down the road ??
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spiro said:
..I'm only posting it in case HTC is reading this THIS PHONE WAS DESIGNED FOR LEFT HANDED PEOPLE!!!!!!
to be continued.....
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I'm throwing in the FRONT camera issue !! haha ha
Is there a spot on THE RIGHT SIDE your Xperia X1's SPACEBAR where when you press down, YOU GET TACTILE FEEDBACK, but the press is NOT registered?
Thank you for any input.
Not on mines.
yea i do...
it gets annoying now...had to press it hard now
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yea i do...
it gets annoying now...had to press it hard now
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I have to GO BEYOND pressing and feeling the tactile feedback because the press isn't registered even with the click. This is a very frustrating experience, you just can't type with "faith", even with the click, you still have to be sure the "space" appears, or you have to backspace/left to insert a spacebar. It is highly irritating.
It is also the right side, which I use because I somehow seem to use the left alphabets more than the right alphabets when typing anything, so I have more freetime with the right thumb. And it is exactly the right side that is unresponsive.
Hey yogi, good for you.
I realised there was already another thread describing similar issues.
The thing is, my X1 is in the service center's custody at the moment for repair and they said that it is normal for the keyboard to be like this. I am really wondering if I should push for a keyboard replacement.
It is sad that Xperia as a device boasting a nice keyboard having wear and tear at such a pace.
Design
I don't think it's wear and tear. Mine has had this problem since day one, it's just to do with where on the key the actual "button" that registers the press is, and since the key is "bendy" it wont register in every place you press it.
Strangely, as one person said, they use their right thumb more, I being left handed tend to use my left thumb much more, infact I dont use my right thumb at all when touch typing on my desktop keyboard, BUT I find that I use my right thumb a lot more for the space bar on the xperia.
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I don't think it's wear and tear. Mine has had this problem since day one, it's just to do with where on the key the actual "button" that registers the press is, and since the key is "bendy" it wont register in every place you press it.
Strangely, as one person said, they use their right thumb more, I being left handed tend to use my left thumb much more, infact I dont use my right thumb at all when touch typing on my desktop keyboard, BUT I find that I use my right thumb a lot more for the space bar on the xperia.
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right now im practicing to start hitting that spacebar with my left thumb. It feels weird though...
Whenever im typing fast, about 5 times out of 10 the spacebar will not register. Bloody annoying...
Im thinking about taking it back for a repair...do you guys think it will worth the time?
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right now im practicing to start hitting that spacebar with my left thumb. It feels weird though...
Whenever im typing fast, about 5 times out of 10 the spacebar will not register. Bloody annoying...
Im thinking about taking it back for a repair...do you guys think it will worth the time?
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My hands are pretty big and I have just noticed that because it causes me to type so slow I can infact type space just as easily with either thumb, or infact both at once.
My main concern is my thumb nails catching hte chrome at the top when i use the top row and I am just hopeful I dont "chip" it off.
Personally I don't think repair will help, it just seems to be a design flaw in the space bar, best solution might be to find if you can perform a mod on it yourself to make it more responsive, but that's if you're up for that kind of disassembly/work on such an expensive device.
okay, seems i've found the solution for the problem.
On spacebar, u've got to hit almost the right end part. If u hit it between the middle and right part, most likely it wont register.
I've had problem with the (ok) and the (.) key too. for this one you just have to press it slightly harder.
Ok.
I found also, that if you press arund 1/3 of the way along the space bar it makes a double click instead of a single one, this is the point at which it either doesn't register or it registers 2 spaces. As long as you try to avoid this section you should be ok.
gee...
Its all a bit too much for something that we put quite bit of money into hey
yes... i even get doubles or triples sometimes.. crazy keyboard imho
I have started to have this problem since last month and have reported it on another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644
It also started with the space bar, on the right side. I then practice in hitting the spacebar using my left thumb (instead of my right thumb) and it's OK for a while, until the problem affected spacebar on both the left and the right side.
Then it started to affect other keys as well, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N and dot (.) keys, among others. The interesting thing is that the problem seems to be only affecting the keys on the lower part of the keyboard, and not the upper part one.
Basically similar symptoms: the key is not responsive and doesn't register the key we have pressed even though we get tactile feedback from the key. And sometimes, if we press harder, it will register double of the keys, sometimes triple. Really annoying and irritating.
Is it worth bringing the phone to the service centre? Do you think they will be able to resolve this problem, since it seems to be a design flaw to me.
Any feedback is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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I have started to have this problem since last month and have reported it on another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644
It also started with the space bar, on the right side. I then practice in hitting the spacebar using my left thumb (instead of my right thumb) and it's OK for a while, until the problem affected spacebar on both the left and the right side.
Then it started to affect other keys as well, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N and dot (.) keys, among others. The interesting thing is that the problem seems to be only affecting the keys on the lower part of the keyboard, and not the upper part one.
Basically similar symptoms: the key is not responsive and doesn't register the key we have pressed even though we get tactile feedback from the key. And sometimes, if we press harder, it will register double of the keys, sometimes triple. Really annoying and irritating.
Is it worth bringing the phone to the service centre? Do you think they will be able to resolve this problem, since it seems to be a design flaw to me.
Any feedback is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Yes, I have SAME problem. I think the reason is dust or some thing like that and any solution on this CRAP problem???
indrapr said:
I have started to have this problem since last month and have reported it on another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644
It also started with the space bar, on the right side. I then practice in hitting the spacebar using my left thumb (instead of my right thumb) and it's OK for a while, until the problem affected spacebar on both the left and the right side.
Then it started to affect other keys as well, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N and dot (.) keys, among others. The interesting thing is that the problem seems to be only affecting the keys on the lower part of the keyboard, and not the upper part one.
Basically similar symptoms: the key is not responsive and doesn't register the key we have pressed even though we get tactile feedback from the key. And sometimes, if we press harder, it will register double of the keys, sometimes triple. Really annoying and irritating.
Is it worth bringing the phone to the service centre? Do you think they will be able to resolve this problem, since it seems to be a design flaw to me.
Any feedback is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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well that is quite concerning. So it DOES gets WORSE over time
I'll try to speak with the guys down at the sony ericsson centre about this. Hopefully they have something to say
Yes, it does get worse over time. Over time, more keys will be affected by this.
mr_sheen, appreciate if you can share with us later what is the outcome of your discussion with the service centre guys about this.
Thanks.
latest update... indeed my keyboard is getting mroe crazy
Since more and more users are encountering this problem, I would foresee that this will become a common problem, and more users will start encountering this problem over time.
I would appreciate if the moderator can merge this thread with the other similar thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644 ) and make this thread sticky until we can find satisfactory permanent solution from Sony Ericsson to this problem.
I will also try to bring my phone to the local Sony Ericsson service centre here in Singapore this coming weekend and see what they say.
i just got back from the center and they say that it was quite NORMAL. They said that it was a normal wear and tear and isn't covered on warranty. Is that so? i haven't got time to read all the warranty thing(too lazy...LOL) and im quite disappointed by this to be honest....
I live in Indonesia by the way, half the time the technician down at the Sony Centre haven't got any clue on how to fix an X1....bloody hell...
indrapr said:
Since more and more users are encountering this problem, I would foresee that this will become a common problem, and more users will start encountering this problem over time.
I would appreciate if the moderator can merge this thread with the other similar thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483644 ) and make this thread sticky until we can find satisfactory permanent solution from Sony Ericsson to this problem.
I will also try to bring my phone to the local Sony Ericsson service centre here in Singapore this coming weekend and see what they say.
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If you do post here. Heard many negative things ant Singapore sony service centres
So i just got my HD7 yesterday, and the first time i try to turn it on i found out that the power button is extremely hard to press, and the position of it is horrible for a right-handed person, should've been on the left top corner instead.
Problem is the power button is too flat that i have to press few times in order to wake the device up, this is really annoying.
My idea is, is it possible to wake the device up by pressing the middle home capacitive button? So it's like the "Activator" on a jailbroken iPhone to change keys around to fit your needs. It really will help us to save the power button from being jammed. (well at least it looks like its going to get jammed if you keep pressing it)
No.
But you can always take your phone back to the store for a refund.
Most HD7's, if not all, have the power button almost flush. You'll find it doesn't take a hard press at all to turn it on. It's almost as if it's a capacitive button itself.
As for the positioning, most right handed people hold the phone in their left hand, and the power button is perfect for the left index finger.
With the power button i find that although the button you push is very wide, the actual button component underneath is very small and situated to the far side of the button area. (see Attached).
If you press it right there, you'll probably notice hardly any force is needed at all
with some time now with the hd7 Im glad the button is flushed as it is or else it would be going ON while in your pocket all the time.
The old HD7 i got the button was hard to press, and same for the camera button. the new one i have is good though. and that attatchment helped! haha, ive been pressing on the middle, when you press on the left its much easier.
I bought a case from T-Mobile (not sure which brand, but has transparent back side) and it came with it's own little button the interacts with the one on the phone, making it MUCH easier to press. It seems all these phones are plagued by the same problem. You'd think a $500 dollar phone would be put together a little better, eh?
Yes they are and its due to capitalism that we see all these flaws. They cannot wait to pump out a new model to justify the 499 price tag. Anyhow I have the same issue as the OP fortunately I have a case that makes it easier to press.
sometimes it feels like I'm gonna break it trying turn it on but the case I bought from SEIDIO helps guide my finger to the button
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Have the same problem here. My buttons all work, but they are pretty squishy. I generally use my fingernail on the power button when it isn't in a case. Otherwise, it's not a huge problem.
HTC actually fixed my camera button (they even honored the warranty, which was nice considering I'm not the original owner). If it's really driving you nuts, you might send it in. Not sure if the power button issue will be solved though...sounds like that's more of a design flaw.
More on topic, I really wish it had the one physical button (Windows button). The Samsung Omnia 7 has this and looks amazing. Would really make it much easier to wake the phone.
Yep, had the same problem with the first two HD7's I had. The first time it was the camera button and software problem. Replacement they sent me then had the flush power button. Took me 3 times sometimes to get the phone on. Cases I own make it much better, but I don't always have or want my case on my phone. Needless to say, the last one they sent me is perfect and you notice a different kind of "clicky" feel when you get one that's made the way it should be. Send it back, get one that works.
So you've played with changing button sensitivity, heard about perhaps removing the screen protector, but still don't get it?
I think I might.
Try this, let me know if you guys can confirm, then perhaps we need to send info to HTC?
Unlock your screen
Place your phone on a level surface so its curved back can rock back and forth.
Enter the app drawer, so pressing HOME will actually do something.
As gently as you can, steady the phone with one hand, and touch HOME (It should work)
Now, re-enter the app drawer and press quickly on your phone's HOME key. This will cause it to quickly rock back and forth a bit and shake.
Press the home key all you want, it shouldn't work... especially the more you bang on it.
Wait 10 seconds.
Steady your phone again, press HOME gently. It should work.
The theory? Something is programmed in the phone that if it detects rapid shaking, like maybe in a pocket or being handed back and forth during watching a video... to turn off the buttons to prevent undesired actions. BUT, the curved back of the phone naturally lets this motion occur so it's triggering when it shouldn't.
If you're particularly twitchy, maybe that can cause it from time to time while even in hand too?
SOLUTION:
Run calibration tool a few times until the symptom goes away. Try alternating between pressing more firmly or more softly to make a difference. Take care to center your fingers on the letters.
If you experience bad button behavior while phone is on a flat surface, re-calibrate:
SETTINGS->Language and Keyboard->HTC Sense Input->Advanced->Run Calibration Tool
I couldn't replicate this problem. The home button works as intended while being rocked. I also haven't found to have any button response issues that some encountered.
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I couldn't replicate this problem. The home button works as intended while being rocked. I also haven't found to have any button response issues that some encountered.
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Heh, come on man... the phone has BOOM Sound, it was meant to be rocked, no?! :laugh:
Serious note though... yeah always have thought the buttons worked fine too and thought other people were crazy...
I lay it flat though casually press them, they go away and don't come back.
Also couldn't replicate it. Basically the home/back buttons work when they want to, which apparenlty is about 95% of the time. The other 5% is just purified annoyingness.
Allegedly HTC has fixed the button problem in 1.29.XXX.12 which so far has only rolled out to unbranded phones in Europe and Asia. However if you have the international phone you can install the newest Android Revolution ROM which is based on the .12 software. Everyone who has .12 seems to agree that the button sensitivity issue is gone.
Re-ran calibration tool pressing normally and it seems to have fixed it.
No amount of shaking or rapid pressing causes the phone to miss a button press.
This is with US Version of phone w/ screen protector.
If you experience bad button behavior while phone is on a flat surface, re-calibrate:
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Hi all,
It seems my home button is way too sensitive, it sometimes(I say sometimes because it seems to vary) senses a touch from up to 3-5mm away from the screen. This becomes problematic because since it's range is so big, it can pick a normal press as a long-press or even seem to be pressing by itself and it's pretty annoying. Is there a way to lower/calibrate it's sensitivity or even better, to move the "hold" functionality to the back or HTC button?
This wouldn't have bothered me and I haven't even noticed it until I made a very favorable (for me) exchange with some guy and he calls me the next morning to tell me I tricked him because I gave him a faulty phone and the button presses itself, so I had to tell him I'll look at the phone and try to see what the problem is and if I can fix it by tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated!
Also, the guy said in 2 instances he put the phone down and it kept pressing itself.
Edit: apparently the problem might be liquids(water or sweat) on your finger, explains why it would keep activating after your finger was taken away. That moment when you're using a product wrong and blaming it on malfunctions. Can anyone replicate this for me? Wet your finger and press the home button, see if it registers as a long press(i.e. opens google now), I want to be sure it's not limited to my device.