Network icon not showing on my Tilt with 6.1 - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General

Hello! I've been lurking around these forums for a while. Off and on I would come and check out some stuff. Well I have a problem.
When I upgraded to the official AT&T rom from HTC's site, I noticed something strange. The network icon that tells you if you are in EDGE territory or 3G or GPRS or whatever...it shows basically I'm not connected to anything. It's a slight annoyance because I know the 6.0 rom showed I was in EDGE with an E. You guys know what I'm talking about? Any fixes? If someone already asked this question then I am sorry (hides). I couldn't think of what to search for.

*Flash Kick Bump*

Add the following Registry Key:
Code:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Taskbar\LegacyEdgeNotification
as a DWORD with the value (1).
Ta
Dave

Ty Dave! I shall download the appropriate regedit software for 6.1 and get it on!

Dave...that didn't work. I applied the key, soft reset the phone, nothing. anything else i could try?

Turbo Mach 5 said:
Dave...that didn't work. I applied the key, soft reset the phone, nothing. anything else i could try?
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That should work for Edge. Try LegacyGprsNotification as a Dword and Value 1 forr the GPRS Icon instead.
Ta
Dave

Nope I wonder if PHM Registry Editor isn't really applying the key. It should...Let me try another reg edit.

Unfortunately that didn't work either )CeRegistryEditor(
AT&T couldn't have locked this down on their official 6.1...could they?
Hmm Daddy Might have to go ask a chef if we can't find a solution. Now I know that the network couldn't have screwed up on that particular day because my mother's Blackberry (yah I know, different) shows GPRS and I KNOW my phone should show EDGE/Gprs...
It can't be because I am using the same sim card as I had before (and not using the one that is branded AT&T 3G). Just trying to throw out some ideas

Turbo Mach 5 said:
Unfortunately that didn't work either )CeRegistryEditor(
AT&T couldn't have locked this down on their official 6.1...could they?
Hmm Daddy Might have to go ask a chef if we can't find a solution. Now I know that the network couldn't have screwed up on that particular day because my mother's Blackberry (yah I know, different) shows GPRS and I KNOW my phone should show EDGE/Gprs...
It can't be because I am using the same sim card as I had before (and not using the one that is branded AT&T 3G). Just trying to throw out some ideas
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I've cooked several ROMs based off of the Official AT&T 6.1 ROM, and I can verify that it does correctly display G, E, 3G, and H icons. What other software have you installed?

The only other software added:
Garmin Mobile XT
M:Metrics Mobile Panel
Opera 9.5 Beta
PHM RegEdit
mfrazzz Transformer Sliding Sound
DK no Ringtone limit
Customization Tools and Customization Customize_Tool
and the Cingular crud
think it could be one of those? I have verified it not even showing if I do a hard reset. Maybe my Tilt hates me hehhe like I siad I could live without it but it is annoying not being able to see if I'm in EDGE or GPRS (or 3G if and when I enter a 3G area)

Ok I tried Advanced Configuration Tool (or whatever it's called ) and while it does apply the registry setting, the rom won't take it still. Now I just thought about this:
When the official rom came out, I did download it that day (September think it was). Could they have slightly changed the binary since and I just never knew about it?
Another thing, you think reflashing it would at least allow me to edit the registry properly?

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Roaming Indicator on all the time

Hey my first post here, I love what you guys have done with the Blue Angel series of phones, I love my WM5.
Does anyone else have that triangular thing on the upper notification tray that is on all the time and nothing happens when you click it? I saw in a blog about the HTC Wizard that this was the roaming indicator and you could disable it by modifying HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL and changing DisableRoamingIndicator from 0 to 1.
Well, I do not appear to have this key so I added it in, changed it to 1, powere down for 10 seconds and soft reset. No change.
Anyone know how to get rid of this useless and inaccurate icon if desired?
I have the same prob with mine too. I don't know where you are located, but when I called Cingular about it they told me that they are doing tower upgrades system wide and that it does not affect me negativelly as I have a no roaming contract.
They also said that they would be finished with it by January,and that when it is done I should not have that issue anymore.
Later........
Yeah I have a nationwide program so no roaming or long distance, so I want to get rid of that damn triangle thats taking up precious space. Anyone know what the deal is on this version of WM5?
I also have the same problem; posted this in the Another patched WM5 ROM to test thread. :?
yes this is really driving me crazy, how do u get rid of this triangle!!, thx
Go to HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL\ and change DisableRoamingIndicator to 1.
That should do it.
wut do u mean change DiableRaomingIndicator, i do not have a registery called DiableRaomingIndicator under the filr RIL, is there somewehre else i can look to change it?, thx..
My mistake. My Wizard has that setting, but it doesn't work for the Blue Angel on the ported Himalaya WM5.

Cingular 8125 rom upgraded to rom 2.16.9.101 successfully

I have installed the 1.12.10 GSM on it after making backups with aWizard. I am happy to report that it does work and that it does speed up the initial connection. Before (with 1.09.11 I beleive) I could log into (enter my PIN) and would still have some time before I would connect and get signal bars. It also seemed to increase refresh rates of the bars. Now the signal is usually found before I even finish entering my PIN muchless the today screen loading.
These tests were made in my basement at my house where I typically have been getting 1-3 bars. now to test 1.13.10 and 2.8 OS to see if it works.
I will say I thought it broke at first because I couldn't get my PC to talk to it after it reloaded, then I did another soft reset and the boot screen the second time didn't list the GSM version, even though the OS did see and use GSM. I re-ran the CID unlock procedure again since I could talk to the phone again. Reset again and GSM ver was on the boot screen again.
I also swapped out the boot screen for a bmp and that worked wonderfully. my only question is if there is a way to swap out the booting screen of the OS and not just the IPL Rom.
cheers,
ET
I have just done the RUU install of 2.16.9.101 which also upgrades IPL/SPL to 2.16. It changed my radio version to 2.7.10 and my protocol version is 413.1.0.3. This ROM date is 2/6/06.
Immediate differences are the battery notification is now at the top where on Cingular's ROM it was at the bottom next to the comm switch program. That and everything is I-Mate branded. No Get Good, but instead now I have I-Mate backgammon and Skype. And instead of the Cingular Mail link now there is an I-Mate mail link.
I will update later with more.
More... OS ver 5.1.195 build 14847.2.0.0 IDK if this is different or not.
Update 11AM: I have tested more. ZPhone themes I can't seem to install... IDK why but with the original Cingular ROM I couldn't either. The original ROM had a bug that used the proxy of the modem setting on the wifi setting making wifi not work unless you went and disabled it since it is enabled by default. This new rom after installing "Cingulcustomize_No_Emails.cab" to get MediaNet back, wifi just works. Even with the Proxy set on the modem connection. My Bluetooh headset (Jabra HT800) works great. Comm Manager is real nice. Even showing you the status of SMS and GPRS/EDGE connection. I want to play with it a little more to see if I can control those two or not. Gone from teh Cingular ROM is the ability to click on the Edge status icon in the notification area and tell it to turn on Wifi. But the Turn on Flight Mode still exists under the Cell Strength bar. Signal strength is comperable to the 1.12.10 radio rom I had before the upgrade. And IDK if it is taking longer to load from a reset or not, but before the Phone radio would be up and running just as I was finishing putting in my PIN unlock. But now it is running and connected before I can even start to input it. Just observation, that extra second doesn't mean anything.
I also have the 8125, so I am curious if the Imate ROM will cause any problems after the upgrade. I am not sure I want to wait a few more months until Cingular gets around to providing their upgrade.
Some other posters with the test/beta Qtek AKU 2.0 rom reported that they had trouble with the device resetting itself and problems with Wi-Fi. Let us know if you experience any issues with this ROM.
How has EDGE speed been, any improvements over the shipped ROM? Have you tried push email?
ok, i updated my 8125 to the new rom and am having two issues atm. first, the phone signal icon and the battery icon on the today screen is cut off so i only see the edge icon. secondly, i cannot start wifi at all, no matter what i do :\ (it looks like it's thinking but doesn't actually turn on ) now i did apply the cingular extended rom to this so i dont know if that caused both issues or not. as for edge performance, i'm in an area with bad signal so i couldnt exactly test it. i'm going to be clearing storage tonight and see if that fixes both issues or not. i haven't tested push e-mail as clubimates servers AREN'T supporting direct push (ie they don't have SP2 installed or have it enabled on exchange).
Locked up
Well I am noticing that it is locking up if I let it sit for a while to where I can't bring it back up. I have disabled the lock code to see if that fixes it.
I would have a feeling that the problems you are having are because of the enhanced rom difference. it won't hurt to try it as is like I did since you are having problems with it.
were can I fine install
I look for the rom in the ftp but there is no RUU install of 2.16.9.101 can you please tell me where can I fin this rom
thank you
Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42638
Scroll down to HTTP server link.
Cheers
thanks
thank you for giving the info on where to get the link. I have been away from a pc today.
as an update: the phone seems to be stable with the new rom (I am actually using the phone now using edge and it seems faster than my old phone was which was a nokia.)
I haven't had it lock up on me since I uninstalled battery pack pro, disabled lock code, and uninstalled skype & backgammon so take your pick as to what fixed it. I will do some more expereriments to try and figure iit out.
later,
ET
Are you having the same issues as darkjedi who said he's having problems with WiFi and signal strength icon?
after the upgrade i cant find the GPS ICON
even i try to delete the redirect string in the registry like i used to do before
still i cant see the icon on my setting page
please anyone noticed this problem ?
tx
exchguy said:
Are you having the same issues as darkjedi who said he's having problems with WiFi and signal strength icon?
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i finally fixed the signal strength icon (but don't ask me how), but wifi is still borked
no more problems, lock ups or otherwise
My guess with my problems were related to Battery Pack Pro demo. Even on the original rom I couldn't get it to work right with the assignable hard keys.
Anyway, I did not modify the original EXE one bit like darkjedi said he did. He seems to be much more advanced as I don't know how to do what he did and not that familier with its registry settings yet. But I naver had any problems with Wifi nor with icon placement.
My home wifi does use WPS-PSK TKIP using a Netgear WG302. Battery life seems good, but I do get a little crackle every now and then on my end of the bluetooth handsfree. People I talk to haven't said they hear anything other than perfect clarity. I would have been told if they heard anything since part of my reason to spend the money now rather than later was my voice and signal quality on my old Nokia was getting to be bad and they wouldn't waste a second ragging me if voice and signal problems were re-appearing. But mostly the crackle is few and far between and usually when my headset is on the other side of my body or I am a few feet away from my phone.
i didn't modify the original EXE, i installed it as normal, then after the fact, copied the cingular extended ROM then installed each cab manually. i didn't get a chance to try wifi before i applied the extended rom, but i just might hard reset and try that.
i dnt see the rush to upgrade if u have a cingular 8125 since there goa offer rom upgrades for the unit. with all the bugs i rather just get a ad2 bt plugin (wish they made it) and just do that
what roms do they offer? On my past phones I have had to have major problems before they would flash a new version of the Rom (my last 2 symbian phones).
darkjedi said:
i didn't modify the original EXE, i installed it as normal, then after the fact, copied the cingular extended ROM then installed each cab manually. i didn't get a chance to try wifi before i applied the extended rom, but i just might hard reset and try that.
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ok... the only cab I installed for Cingular was the one I mentioned earlier. I have since installed spb power plus and their weather app and I am still stable. Not one failuer and my bluetooth is actually acting better from some reason. I was working on my car today with teh phone in the car and I was about 10 feet away without any noise or other problems.
Re: thanks
ethorn said:
thank you for giving the info on where to get the link. I have been away from a pc today.
as an update: the phone seems to be stable with the new rom (I am actually using the phone now using edge and it seems faster than my old phone was which was a nokia.)
I haven't had it lock up on me since I uninstalled battery pack pro, disabled lock code, and uninstalled skype & backgammon so take your pick as to what fixed it. I will do some more expereriments to try and figure iit out.
later,
ET
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Is there any settings to configure edge? I only see GPRS in the connections section.
This version appears quite stable but's only my second day since upgrading my 8125 from the QTECH 2.8.7.102. I really like the Comm manager and the Push Email icon works great.
Thanks!
name of account
the only thing that I have notice so far is that the name of my celular company (I could see before upgrade) now i only see numbers.
exchguy said:
I also have the 8125, so I am curious if the Imate ROM will cause any problems after the upgrade. I am not sure I want to wait a few more months until Cingular gets around to providing their upgrade.
Some other posters with the test/beta Qtek AKU 2.0 rom reported that they had trouble with the device resetting itself and problems with Wi-Fi. Let us know if you experience any issues with this ROM.
How has EDGE speed been, any improvements over the shipped ROM? Have you tried push email?
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On the new imate ROM I'm getting between 65 and 110 kbps on edge. Latency is still crap at about 1.5 seconds on average, but that's what it's always been for me.
Direct push is great. Assuming you have Exch SP2 installed, push works without any other changes. I'm averaging between 7 and 10 seconds for an entry to push out after it gets to Exchange. I haven't installed the device management tools yet, but I'll do that soon and let you know how well they work.
I just noticed wifi isn't working. If I enable it in comm manager, the button is ringed in green as if it's on, but the left green led does not blink and it does not detect my open, unsecured access point. I did install the cabs from my original cingular extended rom, and one of those appears realted to wifi, but not sure what it does. I'll mess around some more and see what I can do. I'm not totally heartbroken that wifi is messed up, but it does bug me that I don't know why it aint working.
Need Cingulcustomize_No_Emails.cab file
ethorn said:
I have just done the RUU install of 2.16.9.101 which also upgrades IPL/SPL to 2.16. It changed my radio version to 2.7.10 and my protocol version is 413.1.0.3. This ROM date is 2/6/06.
Immediate differences are the battery notification is now at the top where on Cingular's ROM it was at the bottom next to the comm switch program. That and everything is I-Mate branded. No Get Good, but instead now I have I-Mate backgammon and Skype. And instead of the Cingular Mail link now there is an I-Mate mail link.
I will update later with more.
More... OS ver 5.1.195 build 14847.2.0.0 IDK if this is different or not.
Update 11AM: I have tested more. ZPhone themes I can't seem to install... IDK why but with the original Cingular ROM I couldn't either. The original ROM had a bug that used the proxy of the modem setting on the wifi setting making wifi not work unless you went and disabled it since it is enabled by default. This new rom after installing "Cingulcustomize_No_Emails.cab" to get MediaNet back, wifi just works. Even with the Proxy set on the modem connection. My Bluetooh headset (Jabra HT800) works great. Comm Manager is real nice. Even showing you the status of SMS and GPRS/EDGE connection. I want to play with it a little more to see if I can control those two or not. Gone from teh Cingular ROM is the ability to click on the Edge status icon in the notification area and tell it to turn on Wifi. But the Turn on Flight Mode still exists under the Cell Strength bar. Signal strength is comperable to the 1.12.10 radio rom I had before the upgrade. And IDK if it is taking longer to load from a reset or not, but before the Phone radio would be up and running just as I was finishing putting in my PIN unlock. But now it is running and connected before I can even start to input it. Just observation, that extra second doesn't mean anything.
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Where did you get the "Cingulcustomize_No_Emails.cab" file? I have searched everywhere and cannot find it! Help?

Locking data to EDGE or GPRS only. NO 3G

Is it possible to lock out the 3G radio completely on the TILT?
Coming from an Apache on VZW, I was used to being able to change the ModeOfOperation Reg setting and completely locking out the EVDO if I needed to preserve my battery life.
I've tried a number of things on the TILT, but I am not sure which (if any) get me what I want.
I've tried the disableing MEdia Net via KaiserTweak, but when I was in a 3G area it prevented any data connection saying the connection was not allowed (or something similar).
Disabling HSDPA I don't believe is the key either since that is download only.
Again just looking to lock the phone at EDGE/GPRS only. E icon.
**Been Googling
Running the stock ATT ROM, I don't see a BAND page in Settings/Phone/... I've tried exposing it with Schaps Adv. Config Tool, but I still don't see it. I am guessing there is more to exposing this tab than just a reg.
Is BandSwitch the only way?
if u use the 10 button com manager with the 3g switch i would link it but not got time as im at work but search it will be easy to find
Ok I found the 10 button manager on the CABS sticky ...
file name: Kaiser.CommManager.10Button.3GCAB.cab
Are there any known bug/issues with it?
Any TILT issues with it?
I see a few people in an old thread talking about "getting it to work"
I also see Dutty's copy on his FTP site ... "duttythroy 3g comm manager (working).cab"
can anyone comment?
Hi, I use the 10 button com manager on my TyTNII (german stock HTC ROM) and it worked without any issues right after installation.
Greetz,
Hans Olo
EDIT: maybe a soft reset was needed after installation, I can't remember
Ditto - i use it - installed no probs and does what it says on the box so to speak. I have an orange version
try this:
at phone settings /band tab/ change the upper "Auto" to GSM.
pulyka said:
try this:
at phone settings /band tab/ change the upper "Auto" to GSM.
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thats what the com manager does but on a easy switch baisicly. and no problems on a stock t-mobile uk rom all works fine
pulyka said:
try this:
at phone settings /band tab/ change the upper "Auto" to GSM.
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This does not show up on my AT&T Stock Rom. Very strange. I do have the 10 button comm manager but it would be nice to do some troubleshooting using the stock WM screens/settings.
Read http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...(GPRS & EDGE) modes to optimize battery life!
ckole said:
This does not show up on my AT&T Stock Rom. Very strange. I do have the 10 button comm manager but it would be nice to do some troubleshooting using the stock WM screens/settings.
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I second that. I do not have this option on my Tilt with the stock rom. Anyone know what's up with that?
Well I used "duttythroy 3g comm manager (working).cab" from the cabs FTP site in the sticky here.
At first it told me the install was not successful because there was an issue with "system permissions". Thinking it was the the CAB itself I tried the other 10 button I found "Kaiser.CommManager.10Button.3GCAB.cab, but got the same.
I did a soft reset, then tried Dutty's again and it worked fine. It required another soft reset after install.
It replaces the stock comm manager with one that looks like it could be from a Touch (from the icons). Works fine and includes a 3G button that was lit. When I tapped the button the icon went dark, the radio looked like it did a little reset (since it went to no signal ... like flight mode) and 10-15 seconds later it came back up locked at EDGE.
Perfect! Thanks for the guidance getting there.
As for those of you with AT&T stock ROMS, AT&T probably had the BAND page removed/hidden in their version. Why? Who knows.
Double post

Telenav problem..

Just wondering if anyone is having the same problem with telenav, or if there is a fix to it. Ive looked around the forum with search and cant seem to find anything but telenav not being compatible with custom roms.
Im using Dutty's latest rom with my Tilt and i recently just added telenav to my phone, when i bring it up, it connects fine and gets to the screen where you select "drive to" and "maps". When i try to determine my own location to record it, i hit go and it basically brings up the connecting box where it goes from 0 to 100% but it doesnt move at all for me after a few mins anywhere i go..also i cant do any routes for the same reason..it seems like its just not making a good connection when im outside. I checked my connection settings, proxy is not on..set up for medianet on both connections as i read from another persons suggestion, but still no go..
assisted gps is also turned off..i can do quik gps and everything else just fine but it hangs when trying to download the route...ive re-installed the program also but no go still.
anyone have any ideas to what might be causing this?
if this problem has been resolved, ive looked and looked in the forums but maybe my eyes are blind lol.
thanks for any help.
I'm running Dutty's latest 6.1 dated April 9 and Telenav and have no issue. Runs flawless.
ok
What are your connections settings, are you on medianet?
liquidraven said:
What are your connections settings, are you on medianet?
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Yes I am on medianet. Proxy is disabled.
gprs setting
is your gprs setting set to chap authentication, i havnt touched this but mines set to chap, but this is auto configured when setting up the network with att?
still not working..
Yah my telenav is still hanging up at getting gps when trying to find route and my location...installed gpsgate and changed the radio to 1.58.16.27 not sure what else to try..
Can't remember, but do you download telenav through Pocket IE after you flash the custom rom?
I can't remember if it auto-decides what download you get based on your PIE useragent, or if you select the product for downloading... but if it's based on UserAgent you may run into issues...
Cellular video, for example, does not work if the UserAgent is not the Tilt
yah
i downloaded the cab through a txt message i received from att. i selected att and then my phone and it auto installed from there.
only thing i havnt tried is changing my rom but i dont see how that would help..im using dutty's apr 1st release.
liquidraven said:
i downloaded the cab through a txt message i received from att. i selected att and then my phone and it auto installed from there.
only thing i havnt tried is changing my rom but i dont see how that would help..im using dutty's apr 1st release.
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First, did you Hard reset after rom flash at the "Tap here to alighn" screen? Second, did you install Telenav prior to any cooked rom flash? The reason I ask this if you got the file from AT$T while you were using a stock rom then that is fine, but if you got while you were using a cooked rom, it is probably a bad file. The reason is that most cooked roms have the PIE User agent set to TYTN II not HTC-8900 (AT$T Tilt) which could cause a corrupt download if you indeed have a Tilt. I suggest uninstall, power down, power back up and try the file I attached. I have installed it with every rom I have tried, literally dozens and never had an issue. When I say power down, power back up, dont do a soft reset. Use the power button.
yah i always do the hard reset after flashing. i dl'd it with dutty's apr 1st rom..i selected the file based off carrier and phone model. I will try your cab after work..im hoping it will fix it haha thanks man. Once i get home i will let you know how it went
liquidraven said:
yah i always do the hard reset after flashing. i dl'd it with dutty's apr 1st rom..i selected the file based off carrier and phone model. I will try your cab after work..im hoping it will fix it haha thanks man. Once i get home i will let you know how it went
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Good Luck. I hope it works for you.
thanks!!
lol it did fix it..thanks
liquidraven said:
lol it did fix it..thanks
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You my friend are quite welcome. Just glad it worked.
ugh
well for some reason still it seems to be taking its time when looking for a route somewhere..it gets to 10% after 2 mins and 30% after 6 mins..it was working fast as hell yesterday and i dont think it should be taking that long right?
i started up gpsgate b4 i ran telenav, its saying it has gps data coming in but no position..
im clueless..lol
liquidraven said:
well for some reason still it seems to be taking its time when looking for a route somewhere..it gets to 10% after 2 mins and 30% after 6 mins..it was working fast as hell yesterday and i dont think it should be taking that long right?
i started up gpsgate b4 i ran telenav, its saying it has gps data coming in but no position..
im clueless..lol
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Just a question but do you have assisted Gps enabled? If so, disable it. If that doesnt fix it, maybe try GPSTest?

Network problems - WM6/6.1

Ok, so here's the deal:
I have this nice HTC Himalaya (accu description label says PH10B).
I use it a lot, and I've used it in the past for calling and sms as well, no problems there. However, since I upgraded it to wm6 (or 6.1, doesn't matter), I get no network. Booting up it says nothing about no gsm, it tells me nicely what radio and protocol version I have, it just doesn't get any network. It does read the SIM, since I can read contacts and/or change/toggle the SIM password.
When I enable the Band tab on the Phone settings dialog (I use Schaps Advanced Config for this) it just says that it's 'Unable to change GSM/UMTS Band', and that I should try again later. This partially makes sense, 'cause I have no UMTS. However: when I 'visit' the Band-tab again, the GSM Band shows up empty (none of the available options is selected by default), so something sure seems to go wrong here. I'm currently using a different phone next to this device as my PDA, but I'd love it to work again...
Any thoughts?
Edit: Just so you know, I've used all radio ROMs I could find, just to eliminate that. I currently use a radio rom bundled with my own carriers latest official upgrade (I own a Dutch phone, my carrier ATM is KPN/Hi), but I'll be glad to try anything else if that'll make it work.
maybe stating what radio rom you have would help
Rudegar said:
maybe stating what radio rom you have would help
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Ofcourse, at the moment 1.16, but I'm flashing to 1.08 again, 'cause I read somewhere that one worked best with WM6. I'm flashing without my SIM in it, as that is the way to go as well. I don't expect it to work though, 'cause like I edited in my first post, it wouldn't work before, not from 1.08 through to 1.19...
Update: that radio ROM didn't bring any change indeed, so I guess no more network for my Himalaya... Luckily enough my Touch Dual is shipping this Saturday, so I'll be out of trouble by then. Sadly enough that does mean leaving my Hima behind, but not fulltime it's been with me from WM2003 through to 6.1, and maybe, just really maybe 7 will run on it too, and I wouldn't want to miss that

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