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General questions regarding the updgrading of ROMs

Ok, I will preface this by saying I am a veteran of Wallaby upgrading. I had one of those for a long time and probably used two dozen different ROMs on it. I cooked my own, and I nearly paper-weighted it or the radio stack a gillion times. I can definitely figure things out for myself.
That said, there is very little useful information as to how the upgrade process works with the Blue Angel. For those of us in the US on Cingular with the SX66, we have no update out at all, and we're very much stuck.
Things I don't get:
1. Extended ROM. Actually, I know what it is. What I don't know is, because it exists, does that mean that the base ROM is completely carrier independant? In other words, if I take an Imate or Qtek ROM and install that, but keep my carrier's Ext ROM, will things be the same? (assuming the same language, WWE) Are the base ROMs ever updated, or is it the extended ROM?
2. Where are the tools? The wiki is very out of date, and I don't know what the proper tools are to use. Do I write to an SD card, or do it over USB?
3. Is the radio stack updated by a first run program on the device itself, or is that done from the computer? Do RSU updates come with base ROM updates?
4. There seem to be new security measures taken to hinder our tinkering with the ROMs. How safe is it to change things (for purposes of "going back")? I dunno what else to ask about this...
Feel free to answer any or all of these questions, and for the love of God, don't tell me to search--I did.

Well said, but good luck getting answer around here.

I'll give it a try, but some answer could be plainly wrong, since I don't have a blueangel.
Blueangel and himalaya upgrading are very similar so this page is not so outdated:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaRomkitchen
But the mayor problem is indeed the new encryption method used :
ER2003edit or xda3nbftools don't support it (yet)
thus :
* you can't change the countrycode/language anymore
* you can't change the extended rom ms_.nbf
but the extenderomunlocker still works for Blueangel, although you have to use the Blueangel version, so after an upgrade, you can still manipulate the extended rom on your pda & hard reset.
BlueAngel Extended Rom unlocker
Blue Angel Romkitchen thread
thread about the new encryption
Answers :
1: You probably will get a country code error if you try a nk.nbf from another provider. Base roms and radio rom do get upgrades, but I don't know which one are already available for blueAngel. Base and Radio are carrier independant.
2 : Tools : see links above
3 : see himalayaRomkitchen
4 : You can make a backup on SD, but can't seem to find a link right now.

May get shot down but here goes....

I have just got a HTC Diamond, this is my first WM phone (had IPAQ –non hone in the past). I have spent the last few days reading many threads, on many subjects. I am now familiar the language used here i.e. cooked ROM etc.
My question is really can someone supply in a simple thread a quick 1-2-3 guide on how to start loading and trying different ROMS. i.e. Tools\Software required, how to backup original manufactures ROM, How to install new ROMs etc etc.
I have used the search button and found lots of info, much of which is not related to Diamond so not sure if it is relevant.
I may get shot don for this; however I am sure there are many people in the same situation as me, and with the popularity of the Diamond more to come.
Any positive feedback welcomed
D

Quick 1-2-3 guide:
1. Flash with HardSPL(IMO)
2. Flash with new ROM (Panoshas IMO)
3. Enjoy!! Beware fast moving Jewels after ROM update can cause injury

Start with this thread 2nd post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400950
once you have a hardspl installed on your device you can flash any rom you like to try. (flashing hardspl causes your device to reset just like it is a new device.)
From this point you just need to read and learn from the link above.

If you really searched on how to load new ROMs onto the Diamond and couldn't find anything, check your vision. This link is posted in many threads:
http://modmydiamond.info/

My Ultimate Journey fROM 1.56.00.00 to Ultimate-X2.V6 WWE

Hi,
The following post was created by accident - I was recording each change as I was going through the process mentioned in the link below which is GREAT!! (by mskip) and at each process I was recording certain information and changes I encountered each stage. As mentioned in another post, after reading Gwen's post I was inspired to go for it and to submit my experience as my contribution.
So now I edited the information so other users can see that if they follow each stage step by step it will really work!!!
Link for the best guide for noobies: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
Note:
-Though the guide mentions ActiveSync - if you have Vista I think that wond work, you have to download a a think called Windows Mobile Device Centre (WMDC) - just wait until it says connected and carry on
-The part that is says right click on the small icon and deactiave the USB connection, I couldn't to that with so instead you have to click on the connection setting within WMDC and disable it there
I recorded two sets of information in each set a bit of a lengthy process but I recorded at each stage to see if there were any changes happening at each stage - only changes were recorded in subsequent stages - sorry no photgraphs or videos taken although I wished I had to help other newbies!
Top section: Bootloog (?) reads: (When I press Power + Camera button)
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Bottom section: Device information (Setting > System > Device Info)
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0. Original before attempting anything:
kais130
spl-1.56.0000
cpld-8
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r=1.27.12.32 (radio version)
g=22.45.88.07H (protocol version)
d=1.56.00.00 (ROM version)
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1. When i flashed to a HardSPL (Essential):
spl-3.29.hard
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r=/
g=/
d=1.56.110.4
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Notes:
-Very easy and nicely done
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2. When i flashed via micro sd card (optional):
spl-3.29.hard2
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r=/
g=/
d=/
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Notes:
-After a while it dawned upon me that maybe it either SD or Cable method - no need to do both ways hence they "hard2" - but no harm was done, i think..lol.. (i hope!)
===========================
3. When I did the SIM/CID Unlock stuff (optional)
/
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r=1.70.OliNex
g=25.65.30.04H
d=/
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First problem encountered:
Unlocked :~) but no sound!!!!
can make calls
can receive calls but gets frozen - endless vibration
can send sms
can receive sms - endless vibration
camera working fine
Note:
-The program (kaiserunlocker.exe) has three steps so you can only miss the first step if you done the above i.e. have a HardSPL (it can be a difficult concept to grasp but I made a small diagram in how i think the system works below
-It says to make sure no other process run during the updating process - well someone called me in skype - and it paused at 99% I'm now thinking cos of this call everything is going to crash - I hanged up and quite skype, msn and the rest of them - then thankfully it went to 100% - Success!!!!
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4. download and flash the preffered ROM
/
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d=Ultimate-X2.V6 WWE
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Note:
-Despite the no sound issue I carried on and thought maybe if I do this the radio will automatically update everything will be fine
-Tried SD didnt work simply went back to normal window
-Then done the cable method - worked, took a bit longer and need to be patient, rebooted twice with the brand new windows ))))
Problems encountered:
-No stylus configuration came up - I couldnt go to today page either - it wanted to have a SIM card so I inserted one
-It was working fine was able to make call and stuff, but some minor problems such as graphical stuff - so I done a hard reset anyway.
-Worked fine again but the CAMERA is not working.....
And that is it!
It took me only half a day to unlock my phone and update to WM6.5 I believe, it's so easy when you follow these easy instruction.
The three-layer-xda-architecture - how i think the system is...lol (in relations to the three-layered architecture in information systems)
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| ROM | <--- 3.
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| Radio | <---- 2.
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| Bootloader | <---- 1.
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1. the base MUST be changed before any of the above can be changed (this is like the the 'database') or like the BIOS/Motherboard of a PC - only needs to be done once
2. the radio is like the 'business layer' that connects the other two layers - like a messenger passing informatiion or like a "CPU" or the Hard-disk maybe of a PC - this can be changed as many times as you like, as you upgrade the processor for example
3. and finally the ROM is like the OS (software) or monitor, the "visual aspect" of the system what you see on the screen - this can be changed many times too - its like re-installing or upgrading windows (from XP to vista to MS7)
It's bit a difficult to exmplain so apologies if none of it makes sense - maybe someone else can explain it better! lol
My tips:
Be patient!
Don't go clicking/pressing around or pulling out cables if something did not load or something is not appearing, give it a minute or two be patient, it is probably loading in the processor.
You should know your own PC, its speed and how long it normally takes, and the noises it makes, like if the process works faster or the sound of Hard disc etc etc
Now I will play around with other ROM and radio till my camera and everything works and I feel happy with a certain ROM. Hope I done everything correct as I am still learning but most importantly I got an unlocked phone with some extra features
BTW my phone is the MDA vario 3 locked to T-mob
P.S sorry for any bad spelling and grammar - it's been a long day

the "three-layer-xda-architecture" you describe is not a very accurate description of the internals of a windows mobile device
also, most of the information mentioned here is also mentioned in the wiki
congratulations on your first custom ROM flash and your post proves that unlocking your device and flashing a ROM is really not that difficult if the steps are followed correctly.

Hi there,
Thanks, and we have the same ROM
I'm now in the process of updating the radio 1.71.09.01 (as mentioned on the ROM thread) - How are you finding the 1.70.18.02?
I can also see that you are using the HSPL 3.34 DaveShaw...
I'm going to take a shortcut and ask you a few questions if you dont mind ...
I installed in the following order SPL --> ROM --> planning to to Radio now.
If I want the HSPL 3.34 Daveshaw, do I have to reinstall the ROM and Radio afterwards????
Can I install Daveshaw's the same way I followed mskip's tutorial?
Thanks

dude, if you look carefully at my signature that mentions the ROM and ROM "parts" that i am using, you will see that they are LINKS. i have made them LINKS so that any forum member can just click the links to get more information.
the very FIRST link in my signature is to the "wiki" that contains 99% of the information anyone might need, including the answers to the following questions you are asking:
1. I'm now in the process of updating the radio 1.71.09.01 (as mentioned on the ROM thread) - How are you finding the 1.70.18.02?
it doesn't matter what radio version **I** am using. the performance of a radio version is highly dependent on the particular ROM you are using and your LOCATION in the world and your PROVIDER. even though we are both using the same SERIES of ROMs, they are DIFFERENT ROMs (based on different windows mobile builds) and we are in DIFFERENT parts of the world and we are using DIFFERENT providers. read the "Ultimate Radio Thread" in my signature and you will see this is the answer given to ANYONE that asks "what is the 'best' radio"
2. I installed in the following order SPL --> ROM --> planning to to Radio now.
If I want the HSPL 3.34 Daveshaw, do I have to reinstall the ROM and Radio afterwards????
just read the PDA Corner Ultimate thread for more information...read the FAQ there. HardSPL needs to be done ONCE in your entire life, unless you want to upgrade your HardSPL version. changing HardSPL and/or Radio is NON DESTRUCTIVE. but some people are starting to recommend doing a hard reset after changing radio to be on the safe side. the process of changing the SPL or radio SHOULD NOT affect your programs and data but these days some people are recommending hard resetting after the change.
3. Can I install Daveshaw's the same way I followed mskip's tutorial?
mskip's tutorial is great but you seriously need to read the wiki to clear your concepts. short answer is that the tutorial steps CAN be followed but SOME radios, SPLs, and ROMs might require slightly different steps that will be clarified in the threads for those radios, SPLs, and ROMs. so, just read the thread for DaveShaw HardSPL 3.34 which is linked in my signature.
once again, just please please please read the wiki and search and read and search. it will be a rewarding experience and will help build your concepts and will minimize the need for basic questions.

I just updated my Radio and WOW!! it done wonders... the camera is working and calling now work 100%!!!!
Ya it was a bit lazy to ask basic Qs - I think it cos I've been on 6 hours non-stop..lol
Although I did find some of the answers I was seeking, but something you pointed out I done straight away a hard reset!!
Looks like everything is in order I'm going to stick with my SPL
Well I'm off to bed and will continue my research tomorrow, here is a good site:
http://raywaldo.com/
nite

[Q] About ROM upgrade.

Hi all,
Excuse me if apparentely it's can seems I repeat old and answred question, but sincerely I have not yet sufficentely clear ideas on how I can flash my blackstone with an updated Rom.
I want remark that I have a decent knowledge on developing a program for W.M., but I confess that after read various threads and articles about, I remained in a great confusion yet!
The question:
I have a branded (Tim) Blackstone:
BLAC100 32M
SPL-1.13.0000
MicroP-BlackStone (Led) v6
Device Info:
ROM Version 1.13.401.0 (20428)ITA
ROM Date 10/25/08
Radio Version 1.09.25.14
Protocol Version: 52.49a.25.26W
This device ABSOLUTELY need to be upgraded to the Rom 1.56 (but first of all I WANT TO UNBRAND it).
After an initial problem (caused by the unricognized S/N), I dowloaded (using another S/N) from Htc the File:
RUU_BlackStone_HTC_ITA_1.56.408.0_Radio_52.62.25.34_1.13.25.24_Ship.exe
To upgrade my device, I want to preserve only the country and the language, because I read that it is necessary to preserve the A-Gps funtionalities (data changes country by coutry). Is it thrue?
I understood that I can't use it, cause the Tim brand of my device.
In my case only the brand is not matching, while the language and country are apparentely matching.
(But, why the "401" of my device is not matching with the "408" of file I downloaded? Can I use the file with this unmatching country code?)
1) - I have a great confusion on SPL, HSPL, SSPL, USPL.
2) - I have a great confusion because I not understood if Radio Rom upgrade and Rom upgrade are 2 different processes or not.
3) - Is the Rom version related (developed) for a specific Hardware version (as it is logical to think)?
4) - Is the Radio rom "country sensitive"? (As I think that each country have a different GSM Net).
5) - If want upgrade both radio and rom, what instrument exactely I need?
Please can you clear my ideas.... and doubts?
Thanks
Ignazio

Ok, you have managed to get an official HTC rom, you can also find some more here
If you use HSPL or USPL, this will allow you to flash the new rom. If you are intending on staying on the official rom, uspl will probably be the best option for you to use.
In response to your questions:
1) SPL - Second Program Loader is a boot loader after IPL (Initial Program Loader) often seen on smart phones and PDA's. SPL is similar to a BIOS in a computer and can be flashed and updated.
The difference between USPL and HSPL:
* HSPL is an user-modified SPL that you have to flash to your phone. It overwrites the existing SPL on your device with a "hacked" one so to say. It allows you to bypass the HTC certificate check and flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone. You only have to flash it once and then you can flash roms anytime.
* USPL is a temporary solution. It takes advantage of an exploit in the existing SPL and then loads a modified one to memory, effectively allowing the same thing as HSPL. However, since this is only memory-resident you have to do it each time you want to flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone, because this exploited state is lost upon reboot. With USPL you must still have the right version of the HTC SPL that is compatible with the rom you want to use.
* SSPL is just another method of getting to change the spl and is only really needed if you experience problems using one of the other methods.
Hopefully this makes it a little clearer for you.
2) It depends. The radio is in most cases included in the rom. The rom you are looking to use included a radio. This is shown by the 1.13.25.24 in the name of your rom, so if you install that rom it will also update the radio in a single process. You can however also only upgrade the radio and then it is done as a separate process and will not affect the rom.
3) All the roms are initially developed for a particular hardware configuration I would imagine, but there are many fantastic chefs here on xda who take roms meant for other devices and are able to port some of the components to a cooked rom which can then be used on a number of different devices.
4) Yes, radios are country and area sensitive, so what works well for one person in a particular area would possibly not work as well for you.
5) You will need to use either hspl or uspl in order to upgrade your radio (if you are using one intended for an HTC). Some people have taken radios from other devices such as the Omnia, but in order to flash these radios you need to do a security unlock of your device and there are special tools that allow you to do this, but this is really only a last resort if you can't find an HTC radio that works for you.
The steps to follow in order to flash are described in the Dummies Guide to Flashing (see link in my signature) and if you have any further questions, please ask them in that thread.

Thanks for reply,
You cleared at least 70% of my doubts.

hurricane3000 said:
Thanks for reply,
You cleared at least 70% of my doubts.
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Pleasure, so what are the remaining 30%?

Rom Problems..
hi..
i got my blackstone from service today because they changed my mother board.now i want to change my room to be more faster and have that winmo 6.5..i have read a lot but there are to many informations to understand..can someone tell me pls how i can change my rom,from first thing to the last and for that what rom to download?
step by step links or something would be great..i tryed myself but there is to many information for me to now what to choose..
thanks and i am looking forward for an answer

thekingro said:
hi..
i got my blackstone from service today because they changed my mother board.now i want to change my room to be more faster and have that winmo 6.5..i have read a lot but there are to many informations to understand..can someone tell me pls how i can change my rom,from first thing to the last and for that what rom to download?
step by step links or something would be great..i tryed myself but there is to many information for me to now what to choose..
thanks and i am looking forward for an answer
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Read the Dummies Guide (link in my signature). If you have any more queries please post them in that thread as this one is likely to be closed down soon.
ROMS are a personal thing, so have a look at a few and read some of the more popular threads (ie the ones that keep popping to the top) and depending on the feedback received from users make a choice. Once you've flashed once it becomes addictive and you'll try a few before you find one that suits you.

another thing
after i follow all the steps from there all roms should work..after that finnishing them i start that rom update launcher that comes with every rom?

Continuing on Dummies Guide thread.......

As above, continue on dummies guide
Thread closed

Upgrading wizards which are already unlocked

Hi,
Being a newbie into upgrading ROMs, i have a basic quesition.
Do we need HardSPL or SoftSPL even if my phone (a G4 device) is bought with CID already unlocked?
I went through the comprehensive information link
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Wizard Windows Mobile 6 for newbies
but could not get the answer to my question.

If your phone is CID unlocked
To flash cooked ROMs, you need the "Wizard No ID Update Utility"
To flash OEM ROMs, nothing special is required

What exactly is the difference between a cooked rom and a clean rom??

No download luck
I tried downloading the file but the site times out. Any possibility of posting another link?

"Cooked ROM" vs "Clean ROM"
The two are not neccesarily relevant to each other. A ROM determines the behavior of the operating system - what icons you will see, what software is installed, how the touch points are located etc. A "cooked" ROM is simply a ROM that is hand made by an individual (hopefully with experience at these things) as opposed to an "OEM" ROM which is developed by a professional team and made available by a service provider - AT&T, T-Mobile, Vodaphone, for example.
A "Clean" ROM is just a term used to describe a ROM designed without a lot of extra software - just enough to run all the functions of the phone, but not slow it down. Some people want a ROM with games, office apps, weather and on and on; others find that this just clutters up the phone and slows it down, so they prefer a Clean ROM.