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HDD transplant?

I'm finally replacing my dell inspiron 600m with a shiny lenovo x61. the x61 comes with *shudder* vista, so i want to downgrade to xp. Problem? the x61 has no cd drive. my plan is to replace the hard drive of the 600m with the x61, install onto the x61 hard drive, and then replace back into the x61.
Would there be any problems with this? Baiscally, i'm just doing a clean install of xp onto the x61 hard drive. Are xp installs dependant on hardware? I would just use the generic drivers that are installed with xp.
In case you wanted to know, here are my x61 stats
Core 2 duo- 2.2ghz 800mhz FSB 4mb L2 cache
2gb DDR2-5600 RAM
12.1' XGA screen
120gb 5700rpm HDD
Lenovo wireless abg
Intel X3100 integrated graphics
Crappy size appropriate sound card and speakers
I got it for $850, i saved $600. Coupon codes ftw! </bragging>

it wont work, the second you put back the hdd in your x61 it will BSOD . Because of the different drivers of the different drivers, your best bet is to get a external USB CD/DVD drive and use it with the x61 to install windows.

i thought the hard drive access drivers were generic to some extent

StashCompInc said:
it wont work, the second you put back the hdd in your x61 it will BSOD . Because of the different drivers of the different drivers, your best bet is to get a external USB CD/DVD drive and use it with the x61 to install windows.
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I agree......spend some of the $600 you saved on a USB CD+DVD/RW drive - you're bound to need it at some point
Moving drives between machines is a bit of a black art - sometimes it will work (and you'll just need to reinstall all the hardware specific drivers) and other times it will BSOD or just hang part way into the boot. Can you not borrow a USB CD drive from someone/somewhere just to install XP with (and to use to copy the CD contents to the hard disk - or at least the "i386" folder - you KNOW you'll need it again )?
That's just my opinion - IMHO it would be so much quicker to install in place rather than messing about for hours/days doing it some other way....
Mark.

eh ok, i'll get one. good point about my $600 lol.
A core 2 duo will install wayyy faster than a dothan anyway.
in other news, this is one of the few threads i've made where i've gotten 2 responses wtihin a day of creation. cheers to y'all

How to get USB 480Mbit (USB 2.0) Speed ???

Hi,
the Kaiser has USB-speed specified with 480 Mbit, but the speed to put onto it some MP3s via ActiveSync is not much faster than with my Magician (USB1.1) before. If I put in my computer directly the MicroSD card (max 5MB/sec) it is much faster although 5MB/sec << 480 Mbit. So the weak point is not the card. Is there any idea to increase the speed filling my card via direct USB connection ?
Thanks in advance !
Best,
Hugo

Your usb data speed depends on what your com port is set to. if you have alot of usb ports then they share the bandwidth between them. so you may only get 20% of your actuall bandwidth if you have a few other usb devices sharing the bandwidth. you can go to your device manager on your pc and increase the percentage your com port uses of the bandwidth

Thanks for your answer,
and you may be right, if I had a lot of devices conncted to my PC. But I have not. The point is: If I put the microsd into an USB adaptor and connected to the PC, it is quite fast, if I took the Kaiser connecting it ti the same USB, it is slow.
Any other thoughts?
Best,
Hugo

thehugonline said:
If I put the microsd into an USB adaptor and connected to the PC, it is quite fast, if I took the Kaiser connecting it ti the same USB, it is slow.
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This holds true for all PDA devices connected via USB...not just the Kaiser...activesync may be the bottleneck.

Ok,
if ActiveSync may be the bottleneck, how do you work around this slow copy-process? With CardExpord it is quite faster than with ActiveSync (thanks for the hint), but still far away from the limit :
To copy 58 MB from PC to Magician via CardExport - it needed 94 sec
58 MB from PC to Kaiser via CardExport - 69 sec
58 MB from PC to Kaiser via ActiveSync - 235 sec
58 MB from PC to Card via USB Adaptor - 12 sec = 39 MB/ sec
Anybody any idea to increase the speed of CardExport, there is still much room left ?
Thanks for that discussion!
Best,
Hugo

Most SW connecting to your PDA for file transfer do it through Activesync which as stated before is a bad bottleneck (its sloooow).
You are also using the file handling system of the PDA via this method and any number of background tasks will slow this down.
WM5torage (there is a thread running on here) gets around using Activesync so it may be worthwhile contacting the author to see if this will work for you or wether it could be modified for your purposes.
Hope this helps.

Read the specs carefully. It says "USB 2.0 Full Speed". Don't confuse Full Speed (12 Mbps) with High Speed (480 Mbps). What HTC is doing when they say this is commonly called "deception"!
Has anyone tried ActiveSync over Bluetooth to test whether the Kaiser supports EDR?

Ahhh, abu, you seem to be following me to flame!!
Let's just help people please???
EDR (Enhanced data rate) is fully implemented on this device as was not the case with the TyTn (Hermes) and you will find some of my old threads in there about this very subject that you have placed within this thread ( not whatsoever to do with the first post I may add!!)
OH flippin eck! the wine is taking over.

even usb harddisks max out at about 30MB/sec
and as pda's cant keep up with fast flash cards
it's silly to believe that pda's could keep up with
usb2 speeds

Rudegar said:
even usb harddisks max out at about 30MB/sec
and as pda's cant keep up with fast flash cards
it's silly to believe that pda's could keep up with
usb2 speeds
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I love your sig file lol...

Hey good discussion,
I am a bit disappointed of the advertised 480 Mbit (ok in manual there is mentioned USB 2.0 full speed) but I can only see an advatage of 25% against my old Magician with USB 1.1. and even 12 Mbps (USB 2.0 full speed) should result in douple speed as the measured. I did not expect 480 Mbit, but a bit more speed, than currently offered.
Best,
Hugo

well chicks dig it
well some would be bound to somewhere somehow

Farsquidge said:
Ahhh, abu, you seem to be following me to flame!!
Let's just help people please???
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Sorry Farsquidge, that my comment about video driver issues was spiced with a pinch of sarcasm. But here I am trying to be purely factual.
EDR is clearly mentioned as supported. I haven't tried this myself yet. But this will probably be slower than ActiveSync over USB as Bluetooth 2.0+EDR is 3 Mbps compared to Full Speed USB at 12 Mbps.
thehugonline said:
I am a bit disappointed of the advertised 480 Mbit (ok in manual there is mentioned USB 2.0 full speed) . . .
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Note that they never advertised "480 Mbit". When they say Full Speed then that means 12 Mbps. That they throw in "USB 2.0" in front of this is IMO not entirely honest.

abubasim said:
Sorry Farsquidge, that my comment about video driver issues was spiced with a pinch of sarcasm. But here I am trying to be purely factual.
EDR is clearly mentioned as supported. I haven't tried this myself yet. But this will probably be slower than ActiveSync over USB as Bluetooth 2.0+EDR is 3 Mbps compared to Full Speed USB at 12 Mbps.
Note that they never advertised "480 Mbit". When they say Full Speed then that means 12 Mbps. That they throw in "USB 2.0" in front of this is IMO not entirely honest.
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Yep, it could be taken as misleading.
I have never actually synced with BT as I only have my usb cable at work but I have just tried it and it seems much faster than cable connect. May just bring my charger from now on!

USB speeds are the maximum theoretical badwidth of the hardware, and are much highe than what can actually be achieved... Throw in ActiveSync, and USB speed is virtually meaningless...

Understood,
USB 2.0 was missunderstood as 480 Mbit by several (!) professional journals and websites testing mobiles and PDAs and -reading that- by me. Ok my mistake - next time I will directly come here and look for spec...
What I read in the threads above is:
"Mobile has USB 2.0, but do not expect 480 Mbit as it's only full speed, but don't be silly to believe to get real 12 Mbit as there is a big difference between hardware and spec. You really have to be satisfied, if you get real 6.5 Mbit, which is 25% faster than the USB 1.1 Magician."
In the end I am happy, not to get slower...
Thanks for discussion,
Best
Hugo

More storage?

Is there/will there be any way to get more than 4GB storage?
Does the phone have USB host support to connect an USB stick?
Is there any Bluetooth/Wi-fi flash reader or USB hub on the market?

Hmm, not sure if it has host support, but wouldnt a usb stick just defeat the whole purpose of having such a small device?
It might be possible to use bluetooth to connect to a flash reader etc, but i don't think windows would have native support for that.
The only other way is to open it and replach the flash chips - but that depends on what package chips they use and what lines they run on the pcb. I'm quetly hopefull.

no it doesnt allow for extra storage to be put on, unless your into NAND stacking...

walshieau said:
no it doesnt allow for extra storage to be put on, unless your into NAND stacking...
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i don't know how much truth is there to this but check this out:
this copied from: http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2008/04/26/htc-diamond-specs/
"GPS enabled HTC Diamond’s specs are all over the internets and we thought we’d share this with our readers:
Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Qualcomm MSM 7201A @ 528MHz
256MB ROM / 128MB RAM
7.2MB HSDPA / HSUPA (rev A EVDO for Sprint versions)
2.8″ VGA screen
WiFi
Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
eGPS
3.1MP Camera with flash
Forward facing camera
Samsung MoviNAND 4GB internal flash storage
Orientation sensor
FM Radio
microSD expansion]
900mAh battery
Dimensions: 51×99x10.7mm "
hmm and i don't think they are right ..

the HTC DIAMOND DOES NOT HAVE A MICROSD SLOT!!!

These are olddd specs from end april. I think its safe to say its conclusive there is NO memory expansion slot on the diamond.

I don't think it's correct either. The Diamond has the 4GB internal and no expansion, the Raphael has the qwerty and micro SD expansion and no internal 4GB. Unless they have changed it. Thanks, JASTECH

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Ameo 8GB and external HDD

Hello together!
I have an Ameo 8GB WM 6 which I want to use in my car - so far so good.
In addition, it is to play my MP3 collection.
But I have more Mp3 than 8 GB Mp3 - how can I extend the capacity?
Which external USB-HDD runs at the Ameo?
I have already tested a lot of HDD 2,5’’ - 1,8’’ - 3,5’’ but nothing works
I get only one USB-sticks to run!
Which capacity of USB-Sticks will work? 128GB?
Can I Use an external HDD with WLAN like the old ASUS WL-HD to map to the Ameo?
Can anybody help me?
I have searched a lot in various forums – some one has already running an external HDD via 4 in one cable.
Thanks!

Speedy2101 said:
Which external USB-HDD runs at the Ameo?
I have already tested a lot of HDD 2,5’’ - 1,8’’ - 3,5’’ but nothing works
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There are two reasons why external HDDs don't work initially with the Athena:
1. Windows Mobile only has support for FAT volumes. Since most extHDDs now sold are formated as NTFS, they can't be read.
Solution: reformat (if you can) the HDD as FAT16/32. You might need to get a 3rd party program to do this as Windows XP won't format a drive in FAT if it's larger than 32GB (IIRC). USB flash drives are almost always formated in FAT16/32, which is why your Athena has no problem with them.
2. The HDD requires more power than the Athena can give. A standard USB port provides 500mA, but Windows Mobile devices that have USB Host/USB2Go only provide 100mA. That's good enough for nearly all keyboards, mice, and USB flash drives, but insufficient for HDDs (which can take as much as 700mA before spinning up).
Solution: You have to run the drive on external power if you want the Athena to read it.
I've done both the above and once got a 80GB drive mounted as an experiment. One odd thing about the Athena though - it'll only mount one drive from a USB hub.
Speedy2101 said:
Can I Use an external HDD with WLAN like the old ASUS WL-HD to map to the Ameo?
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I don't see why not, if you can figure out how to get a network drive mounted. It's supposedly straight forward (I've done that before with WM2003SE), but WM5/6 appear to be a bit more 'sensitive'.

the power Ok - I'll test it with an FAT32 formatted Disk!
And extarnal power!
Can I Use an USB-Y-Cabel for the power and plug the power USB to an running PC?

And it works fine
Trekstor USB 120GB works fine with HTC 7500 WM6
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this will help "others",
because I tried a lot of different hardware for my athena HTC 7500
(dgimate ,like optical10 did suggest;it works but drains battery and wasn´t very foolproof)
but none did really satisfy my desires,
Today I bought a TrekStor USB 1 1/8 inch usb drive 120 GB and it works since a few hours very well,
I am using a HTC cable 4in 1 with mouse and a stowaway external bluetooth keyboard and everthing is working witout problems.
With SK-Tools I made a benchmark-test with Trakstor HD:
Reading : 15554 kb/s
Writing : 171 kb/s could be a bit faster
Hardware :
Athena Ameo T-Mobile
8 GB micro SD Sandisk
8 GB in build microdrive
external USB Digimate 160 GB Toshiba HD (battery draining)
Trekstor 120 GB 1 1/8 inch very small (like a credit-card)
a batterypack 6x1,3 V with an usb car adapter for the right voltage wth 10000 mah x1,3x 6 ist nearly 75000 mw or 7,5 Watt
Bluetooth Ear-Phone (usefull in car for speaking commands)
Simore silver Dual-Sim telefone-adapter wich works very fine (GSM only )
Stowaway bluetooth keyboard
USB cable mouse
Favorite software:
mortscipt,PocketDos(all my old clipper programs are working fine ) JKWörterbuch
Total commander
TomTom, IGO2008 and Navigon
(I tried them running all three in parallel and they work without problem)
System :
WM 6 professional CE OS 5.2.1620
Why I am writing this:
In many forums I found very divergent opinions about using the above hardware. Some human beings seam to like misleading "others".
P.S.
("I am searching an USB-Trackball WM-6 and 4in1 cable compatible), perhaps s.o. can give me a link where I can order such helpfull technic")
"Even until totay everything works fine because I copied this answer"

Ok
I tried 3 HDD all three formatted as fat32 and plugged to 4in1 cable.
The VGA software was turned off.
no one did work at all! I always used a power cable plugged into another running PC!
Do you think it might be the rom-version of T-mobile - should I take HTC?
@xdawis
If you say this one works: TrekStor USB 1 1/8 inch usb drive 120 GB
Is it this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/TREKSTOR-externe...ryZ47597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00...ils?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1224020618&sr=8-1&seller=
Which battery pack do you mean?
then I try to get it - but if it even don't works?
CU
Speedy

Hello Speedy2101,
yes, that´s the HDD I use.
It works fine since nearly 200 hours.
BR

xdawis said:
Hello Speedy2101,
yes, that´s the HDD I use.
It works fine since nearly 200 hours.
BR
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Oki I have exactly this one - but it don't work?
Which configurations have you made?
Now I have an HTC Rom

External HDD
Hello Speedy2101,
I didn´t make any special settings on the Ameo,
I am using WM6 profesional
CEOS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)
2007 Microsoft
Its original German WM6 from T-mobile
I upgraded from WM5
The first things you proof:
Does the 4in1 cable work correctly with an USB-Stick?
If it does , did you proof the microdrive with an other PC
With the HDD from Trekstor I didn´t even format it or did something like that
Otherwise I do not understand why it is working for me and not working with your application.
BR

xdawis said:
Hello Speedy2101,
I didn´t make any special settings on the Ameo,
I am using WM6 profesional
CEOS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)
2007 Microsoft
Its original German WM6 from T-mobile
I upgraded from WM5
The first things you proof:
Does the 4in1 cable work correctly with an USB-Stick?
If it does , did you proof the microdrive with an other PC
With the HDD from Trekstor I didn´t even format it or did something like that
Otherwise I do not understand why it is working for me and not working with your application.
BR
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Ok I'll test it
Are You german?
Können wir dann mal mailen

Yeah,
Deine Anschrift bitte!

xdawis said:
Yeah,
Deine Anschrift bitte!
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Hast PN
Look up

Ameo HDD New benchmark results !!!
I installed a new version (4.4.4.1)SK-Tools and tested my trekstor HDD again;
With the ameo it displays nearly the same results.
Has anybody got such unbelievable results?
Writing 176.63 kb/s
Reading 14321.68 kb/s

120 GB still works with Athena / Ameo
Is there anybody who is interrested in using an external 120 GB HDD with an ameo?
I can not believe that nobody else would like to use this comfortable facility
of external storage.
The 4in1 cable ad 120 GB are working without any problems since a couple of months.

xdawis said:
Is there anybody who is interrested in using an external 120 GB HDD with an ameo?
I can not believe that nobody else would like to use this comfortable facility
of external storage.
The 4in1 cable ad 120 GB are working without any problems since a couple of months.
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I am, but at such a high price...($179) http://www.amazon.com/TrekStor-Data...QODM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1233618924&sr=8-1
definitely not in that kind of price.
Toshiba 250 GB Portable External Drive cost only $89.00

HDD not found

Hello
Yesterday I installed in my HTC Shift Photofast a G-Monster 1.8 "ZIF V2 128GB. SSD has been detected. During the installation Win7, actually almost the end, there was a error message: disk were not available etc. Rebooted. In the Bios was detected something. Just stood HDD1, no information, no producers, etc. Off. Cable tested for SSD. Still some time out and clean again. In the BIOS again without HDD1 info. Old HDD installed. The same HDD1: no info. Line from the Shift and expanded in an external HDD enclosure installed and tested on a different computer. HDD is detected. SSD is not recognized. Then again installed in the Lapi. Now the field is left blank. Do not stand HDD1 times. Whether by SSD or HDD. USB stick and USB CD Rom drive detected in bios and also work.
I have tried to withdraw BIOS battery overnight. without success
Now is the Shift out or even something you can test / check?
Greeting
Paul
P.S.: sorry for my bad english

HerrMausD said:
Hello
Yesterday I installed in my HTC Shift Photofast a G-Monster 1.8 "ZIF V2 128GB. SSD has been detected. During the installation Win7, actually almost the end, there was a error message: disk were not available etc. Rebooted. In the Bios was detected something. Just stood HDD1, no information, no producers, etc. Off. Cable tested for SSD. Still some time out and clean again. In the BIOS again without HDD1 info. Old HDD installed. The same HDD1: no info. Line from the Shift and expanded in an external HDD enclosure installed and tested on a different computer. HDD is detected. SSD is not recognized. Then again installed in the Lapi. Now the field is left blank. Do not stand HDD1 times. Whether by SSD or HDD. USB stick and USB CD Rom drive detected in bios and also work.
I have tried to withdraw BIOS battery overnight. without success
Now is the Shift out or even something you can test / check?
Greeting
Paul
P.S.: sorry for my bad english
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Make sure the circular ribbon cable did not tear. This may be your problem. This is the only thing I can think of. I had all sorts of problems when I installed my SSD. But after going in a few times and actuallysecuring the ribbon cable properly to my drive, I was able to get it recognized and able to install Windows, although, mine is the Kingspec 128GB SSD.
I hope this helps, just make sure that the cable is inserted properly, all the way in, and it is secured.
Thanks!
PS
Did you see there is 2GB of RAM available to the SHIFT? It is offered by Mem-Store on Ebay. Please check the Shift's RAM thread for more details. I have bought and installed the module myself. I left them excellent feedback, my username being guyyyy!
Take care!

Hello
I tested it again. Connector is faulty. The defective point can not find. With a standard 40 pin ZIF connector it works. I ask for Connector at HTC. But I do not have much hope.
Photofast SSD I sold on Ebay. Can you recommend a good (possible cheap) SSD? 64GB is enough.
Paul
P.S.: 2GB of RAM I have already seen. I will definitely buy

HerrMausD said:
Hello
I tested it again. Connector is faulty. The defective point can not find. With a standard 40 pin ZIF connector it works. I ask for Connector at HTC. But I do not have much hope.
Photofast SSD I sold on Ebay. Can you recommend a good (possible cheap) SSD? 64GB is enough.
Paul
P.S.: 2GB of RAM I have already seen. I will definitely buy
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The only experience I have are with the Kingspec. I had a friend install a Kingspec in his as well. I am not sure if they offer in a lower capacity though. Check ebay. Just type HTC SHIFT and sort by price, highest to lowest.
Go all the way to the lower priced items. This way you can either find the cable you need, OR a cheaper SSD. I hope you find what you are looking for.
This is the best advice I can give, as this is older hardware.
Take care and all the best.
Luis

What about this one?
RunCore Pro IV 1.8" 5mm PATA Zif Solid State Drive SSD
16GB-128GB
MPN 16GB: RCP-IV-Z1816-C
32GB: RCP-IV-Z1832-C
64GB: RCP-IV-Z1864-C
128GB: RCP-IV-Z1828-C
Capacity 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB
Cache 16GB, 32GB: 32MB
64GB, 128GB: 64MB
Interface ZIF
NAND Flash MLC
Write Rate Max* 75MB/s
Read Rate Max* 85MB/s
Random 4K Read Rate* 21MB/s
Random 4K Write Rate* 18MB/s
Operation Temperature 0° C to 70° C
Dimension 1.8" 71mm x 54mm x 5mm
Weight* < 40g
Data Retention 10 Years
ECC Correction 10,000 R/W
Power Consumption* Operation Mode: I<250 mA Voltage: 3.3V
Sleep Mode: I<150mA Voltage: 3.3V
Reliability 6,12 bytes/sector correctable by RS mode
8, 12,16 bits/sector correctable by BCH mode
Fully compliant with ATA-7 Standard
PIO, DMA, UDMA (up to 6, dependant on host) supported
Extended Custom Unique ID

HerrMausD said:
What about this one?
RunCore Pro IV 1.8" 5mm PATA Zif Solid State Drive SSD
16GB-128GB
MPN 16GB: RCP-IV-Z1816-C
32GB: RCP-IV-Z1832-C
64GB: RCP-IV-Z1864-C
128GB: RCP-IV-Z1828-C
Capacity 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB
Cache 16GB, 32GB: 32MB
64GB, 128GB: 64MB
Interface ZIF
NAND Flash MLC
Write Rate Max* 75MB/s
Read Rate Max* 85MB/s
Random 4K Read Rate* 21MB/s
Random 4K Write Rate* 18MB/s
Operation Temperature 0° C to 70° C
Dimension 1.8" 71mm x 54mm x 5mm
Weight* < 40g
Data Retention 10 Years
ECC Correction 10,000 R/W
Power Consumption* Operation Mode: I<250 mA Voltage: 3.3V
Sleep Mode: I<150mA Voltage: 3.3V
Reliability 6,12 bytes/sector correctable by RS mode
8, 12,16 bits/sector correctable by BCH mode
Fully compliant with ATA-7 Standard
PIO, DMA, UDMA (up to 6, dependant on host) supported
Extended Custom Unique ID
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That sounds right, because reading this forum the Heigth of the SSD needs to be no more than 5mm. This is where you need to be the most aware. Many standard drives that come in the 1.8 form factor have heigths of 8-9mm and those will cause you to have problems closing the shift (If I read correctly throughout this forum) So you need to make sure the heigth so these you listed look good.
I am not familiar with Runcore brand, but I wasn't with King Spec either, and it is working Exceptionally.
Take care and I hope this helps.