In case no one has seen this yet, I highly recommend to try this "build" of Opera Mini:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455655
It solves the issue of small fonts, and has no problem with data connections or permissions. It is FAAAAST. It is best version I've seen, and I've tried a bunch of them.
After 10 minutes with this, it is hard to go back to another browser. My advice -- embrace the "mobile" rendering mode, don't bother with the desktop pan/zoom mode, and enjoy simply paging up/down (with the left/right dpad) on pages that are reformatted almost perfectly on the small screen.
UPDATE: and, by the way, to use your BACK key to go back in pages, add this registry key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Keybd\ChangeBackVKeyCode\Jbed_NativeUI = dword:00000008
(This makes the BACK key map to BACKSPACE, so it will also delete text when doing data entry, etc.)
I will certainly give this a try........thanks for the highlight.
I downloaded and installed the cab. The browsers good, but is there anyway to make the menu button at the bottom larger, because currently I am not even able to access it.
buttuns said:
I downloaded and installed the cab. The browsers good, but is there anyway to make the menu button at the bottom larger, because currently I am not even able to access it.
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Well the easiest way to change that would be Menu -> Settings, and then change the font size, but if you can't access the menu button at all I think you can change the font sizes in the registry. I don't remember the location off-hand though.
could anyone post a screenshot please??
which version is now the best?? 20081016 or 20081203??
this browser is super fast, but i miss the zoom and drop down menus dont seem to work
I like it better than the default opera, but I have noticed some issues.
extending the keyboard seems to cause trouble, it causes the touchflo gui to cover up the opera menu bar. Tilting does not change from portrait to landscape.
Awesome browser. I wish you could zoom with the scrolling motion on the D-Pad like opera mobile, or that you could zoom at all. Thats the only problem. :/
Oh and if you start with your keyboard out the Touch Flo doesn't interfer with the menu bar at the bottom.
EDIT: I changed the font size, so zooming isn't needed. I love the mouse, it is so awesome. How can I set this as my default?
is this the one with the rainbow loading screen for the jvm?
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i dont like to use touch flo and would like to know if someone has found a way to disable it ?
thanks, eric
their is touchflo option in settings (under system I think), should allow you to disable it
Go to the the TODAY settings...
From the Today Screen:
1. Go to SETTINGS
2. Select TODAY icon
3. Select ITEMS tab (at the bottom)
4. UNCHECK the "HTC Home" item
5. Click OK and go back to the Today Screen
It should be gone!
TEC
the touchflo (finger panning) option is the one i want to turn off.
i still want to keep the htc home in my today screen.
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their is touchflo option in settings (under system I think), should allow you to disable it
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there is only one checked box about the sound on/off when panning. no where to disable it.
I'd love to turn touchflo off. It seems pretty worthless. It scrolls a page to slowly and in PIE its hard to get it to stop when u get to a spot you want to view.
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From the Today Screen:
1. Go to SETTINGS
2. Select TODAY icon
3. Select ITEMS tab (at the bottom)
4. UNCHECK the "HTC Home" item
5. Click OK and go back to the Today Screen
It should be gone!
TEC
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I had followed above with soft reset also, but still the "touch flo" function running in PIE. This is pretty annoying and useless function if you used to your finger scrolling webpages with PIE plus.
Another one can helps..Thank.
Try changing HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\EnableScroll to 0 then reboot.
I haven't tried it yet.
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Try changing HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\EnableScroll to 0 then reboot.
I haven't tried it yet.
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That worked perfect neighbor. The touchflo scrolling made it near impossible to drag separator lines. I greatly prefer to tap in the scroll-bar field to page up/down. Thanks again.
jamespaulritter said:
That worked perfect neighbor. The touchflo scrolling made it near impossible to drag separator lines. I greatly prefer to tap in the scroll-bar field to page up/down. Thanks again.
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Out of curiosity does that change also speed up PIE scrolling the normal way ? - cos it's super laggy and worse than TyTn in the out of the box setup.
Mike
Well if i hold my finger in the scroll bar field it will page up/down at 4 pages a second. The reg edit doesn't seem to have changed anything other than the touchflo scrolling
TouchFlO Scrolling and Sound
A Couple questions here:
Is there a way to tweak touchflo scrolling such that it only goes one page length at a time, instead of 4 or 5?
Is there away to turn of the clicking sound as it scrolls?
I'm assuming these are just annoyances of an immature feature that was rushed out the door, but hoping there are fixes available or that HTC is smart enough to fix the problems in future releases.
MardiG said:
A Couple questions here:
Is there a way to tweak touchflo scrolling such that it only goes one page length at a time, instead of 4 or 5?
Is there away to turn of the clicking sound as it scrolls?
I'm assuming these are just annoyances of an immature feature that was rushed out the door, but hoping there are fixes available or that HTC is smart enough to fix the problems in future releases.
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Have you even looked at the settings in your tilt\Kaiser? you would have found atleast on answer to your questions just by looking around and learning your device!
I guess to each his/her own, but I personally think the TouchFLO interface is a huge improvement in usability. Perhaps it just takes some getting used to. And with TouchFLO, you can still essentially do all the things you could without TouchFLO. E.g. the scroll bars are still there to be used if you like that. And you can still use the stylus for normal operations. There seems to be some confusion about how it works so let me explain the "use cases".
The way TouchFLO works is this:
- use a finger (not your fingernail) to "drag" the screen up/down (or even left/right if the page is wider than the screen). The page should drag with your finger. It's semi-smooth. Not truly smooth, but smooth enough. When you drag, DON'T lift your finger from the screen till you've got it positioned to your desired spot.
OR
- If you use your finger (not your fingernail) to swipe up or down AND LIFT your finger fromthe screen as you do it, then the screen with scroll by itself to the end in that direction or until you tap the screen again to stop it.
OR
- if you use the stylus or your fingernail, then it will NOT scroll like above. It will then behave like a normal stylus control (highlites and selects instead of scrolling).
So, the screen reads a broad touch (like your finger) differently than a narrow/pinpoint touch (like your nail or stylus).
once I got used to it, i found it to be an excellent upgrade in the interface. I don't think it was a "feature that was rushed out the door" at all. in fact that it reads the stylus and your finger differently speaks to the idea that thought went into it.
Use it on a web page to see the different use cases. If you browse a PDF file, it'll drag even with a stylus because you can't "highlight and select" within a PDF file, so it knows that use case is invalid.
Also, You can change the sensitivity by using a reg tweak: HKLM-DRIVERS-TOUCHPANEL-PRESSURE THRESHOLD. Increase/decrease it for more/less sensitivity.
technillion said:
From the Today Screen:
1. Go to SETTINGS
2. Select TODAY icon
3. Select ITEMS tab (at the bottom)
4. UNCHECK the "HTC Home" item
5. Click OK and go back to the Today Screen
It should be gone!
TEC
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You do realize this has nothing to do with TouchFlo ... right?
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There seems to be some confusion about how it works so let me explain the "use cases".
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Nice writeup, thanks!
Richard "Still Jonesing for a Tilt"
I wish there was a way to partially disable the Kaiser implementation of touchflo --specifically, the feature where if you drag scroll and your finger ends up at one of the edges of the screen (which is really easy on a 2.8" screen using your thumb) it goes into the continuous scrolling mode. I wish those edge regions of the screen were treated just like any other.
Jason Lee said:
Try changing HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\EnableScroll to 0 then reboot.
I haven't tried it yet.
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Thanks from me too for this tip. I don't use TouchFLO and I found the touchscreen on my TyTN II a bit annoying with this enabled. Sometimes it wouldn't react to tapping so I had to tap twice. This was maybe one out of every three or four taps.
Jason Lee said:
Try changing HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\EnableScroll to 0 then reboot.
I haven't tried it yet.
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didnt work for me, im using windows mobile 6.5, and its annoying to have the 6.5 scrolling and touchflo at the same time...
jonrulezz said:
didnt work for me, im using windows mobile 6.5, and its annoying to have the 6.5 scrolling and touchflo at the same time...
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Please don't go digging in the graveyard, it disturbs the other corpses
Try going to settings>today>items>uncheck touchFlo
You have to try those to believe how good the Winterface application is. I saw the review on Tiltsite.com today, downloaded it and immediately loved it. It is extremely finger friendly, the interface is very intuitive and beautifully designed. It also uses minimum amount of system resource thus is very efficient.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/vito-mobile-shell.html
Their FunContacts is also a gem to have. Extremly finger friendly, smooth scrolling of the contact list like the iPhone. It absolutely replaces the old school "stylus-required" contact application included in WM6.1.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/contact-manager.html
I've also tried their Zoomboard application, I think it's a good concept, however there is room for improvement. It is still quite slow to type on the Zoomboard application. However the accuracy of the text is improved dramatically because of the zoomed in text let you see what you've pressed on the screen. But it still can't beat Kaiser/Tilt's excellent keyboard for typing.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/onscreen-keyboard.html
Enough said, I strongly encourage people to try it out. It will be a investment well spend. They also have a whole lot of other nicely designed applications on their webpage, check them out too.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/
seems like alot to spend on a couple of good apps that already exist freely...iContact, HTC album (for the photo thing) and even the (Samsung Glyde copy) button interface all exist free of charge. I'd have to see better to be convinced to put down $40 for 2 apps.
how do you install over an existing GUI... today screen , start menu, taskbar, etc???..
does it wipe them all out?
can you go back easily?
tahnx
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seems like alot to spend on a couple of good apps that already exist freely...iContact, HTC album (for the photo thing) and even the (Samsung Glyde copy) button interface all exist free of charge. I'd have to see better to be convinced to put down $40 for 2 apps.
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Just some extra options for people to try, you don't lose money for trying it..
amkaos said:
how do you install over an existing GUI... today screen , start menu, taskbar, etc???..
does it wipe them all out?
can you go back easily?
tahnx
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I don't know what to say other than, yes, no, yes!
Conflicts
Do you know of any conflicts with this app? I have HHC installed right now.
amkaos said:
how do you install over an existing GUI... today screen , start menu, taskbar, etc???..
does it wipe them all out?
can you go back easily?
tahnx
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You slide your finger in an arc to enable the interface from your home screen or anywhere else. You can click okay button and easily go back to normal interface if you choose to do so.
When phone is unlocked in Winterface, you can "slide to unlock" the phone with a touch of a finger.
I installed this over Garmin's DK1 WM6.1 cooked rom, so far everything works smooth as silk. Garmin's DK1 includes HTC Home v2.0.1812282.1 that I enabled in my home screen. This app run dependent of HTC Home plugin so there is no problems that I found.
In my opinion this app totally replaces HTC Home just because it is much more intuitive (it displays # of new message you got or # of missed calls you have and stuff like that). Couple finger movement after you can reach almost any application on the phone.
I don't work for this company or anything... Just think it's a really cool app to try.
And after couple hours of useage, here is a little short list of pros and rooms for improvement:
Pro -
Extremly finger friendly, smooth flow, elegant design layout.
Low memory useage, fast start up anywhere in the OS.
Very intuitive interface, texts under icons are extremely useful, compare to some other apps who only incorporated icons.
Love to be able to mix and match the apps I need and put them in order I want.
Room for improvement -
Slide to unlock button will disappear if a phone call caused the phone to lock itself, the phone would also lock itself unwanted after a phone call is in progress. It is annoying because when you want to press the keys on the screen, you find the phone locked with slide to unlock.
Contrast of the default icons are rather low (The whites are a bit above mid gray color)
Would be nice to flip from first page to last and then from last to first in one direction.
Would be nice to have option to display non-clear type fonts, my eye don't see well under clear type fonts.
Too bad SMS-Chat and FunContact have problem displaying typed text in landscape orientation in windows mobile 6.1 device (no problem in 6.0 though), or they would work great alone side Winterface.
bennyj71 said:
Do you know of any conflicts with this app? I have HHC installed right now.
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so, how do i get that display of clock and slide to unlock?
edit :: wait, i get it.. this doesnt come w/anything else..
i like it -- really fast and nice to look at..
thanx..
Hmm,
I found quirks about the FunContact... Clear Type fonts used in that application will make all the typed in text display go blank when viewed in landscape mode... not recommended......
lifanus said:
Hmm,
I found quirks about the FunContact... Clear Type fonts used in that application will make all the typed in text display go blank when viewed in landscape mode... not recommended......
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doesnt that always happen in landscape + clear type ?
amkaos said:
doesnt that always happen in landscape + clear type ?
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I think it does, the system wouldn't even let me enable clear type on landscape mode... Maybe that's why all those apps that use cleartype in landscape mode would not display typed text properly
nufsaid said:
seems like alot to spend on a couple of good apps that already exist freely...iContact, HTC album (for the photo thing) and even the (Samsung Glyde copy) button interface all exist free of charge. I'd have to see better to be convinced to put down $40 for 2 apps.
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I personally LOVE the Zoomboard because of it's accuracy when typing one-handed (usually while driving). Obviously, I also prefer the regular hard keyboard, but we all know that's not always an option.
What free software that is similar to Zoomboard are you talking about?
i have a touch pro (sorry if this doesn't belong here, but i assumed that they were basically the same) and whenever i go anywhere that has text input, the on-screen keyboard pops up and fills most of the screen, even when I have the inbuilt keyboard popped out.
Is there any way I can get it to stay hidden until I press the show/hide button?
There's a setting in Schaps Advanced Configuration Tool that fixes this.
Unfortunately it doesn't work in Opera due to Opera's bad handling of the keyboard. If you have problems with the SIP popping up in opera in landscape, install nullkb and look for an application that allows you to set different SIPs in portrait and landscape.
Cheers for the quick reply, I'll give these a go.
Ok, first to the admins/moderators - I searched my ass off trying to find a thread with my problem, to no avail... so if there is one, please excuse me...
So here is my problem - I find it very difficult to scroll any list with my finger because I just end up selecting some item from the list... Is there any registry setting to, lets say, delay the select behavior of TouchFlo? I mean, for example, I try scrolling my contacts, I AM able to scroll but almost immediately after I start scrolling I end up selecting some contact!?! Am I the only one with that problem? PLEASE HELP!
Bump. Anyone?
I just have the problem the other way around, I just can't select multiple items because everything starts scrolling...
try scrolling with finger in more center of screen
selecting works if you scroll motion on left or right side usually
joshkoss said:
try scrolling with finger in more center of screen
selecting works if you scroll motion on left or right side usually
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Also , make it more of a " flick " with your finger, instead of a touch and drag scroll.
So there's no registry setting? I have tried changing settings in HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings, HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCGesture, HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel, HKLM\Software\HTC\TouchScroll... can't seem to make any difference!!! The screen becomes more responsive, scrolling is faster/slower, but no effect on my problem - whenever I try to scroll I always end up selecting... there HAS to be some setting that determines the delay from scrolling to selecting behavior... it works so well on the damn iPhone... also works beautifully on the S2U2 settings screen... they should fire all the idiots at HTC and hire the S2U2 guys to do their interface!!!
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So there's no registry setting? I have tried changing settings in HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings, HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCGesture, HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel, HKLM\Software\HTC\TouchScroll... can't seem to make any difference!!! The screen becomes more responsive, scrolling is faster/slower, but no effect on my problem - whenever I try to scroll I always end up selecting... there HAS to be some setting that determines the delay from scrolling to selecting behavior... it works so well on the damn iPhone... also works beautifully on the S2U2 settings screen... they should fire all the idiots at HTC and hire the S2U2 guys to do their interface!!!
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u should blow up their forums then
Oh well, I guess I'll just wait till some genius dev out there finds out the right registry key, I give up
I hate to say this, but I think that is the expected behavior or TouchFlo scrolling.
You can drag to scroll specifically (and I don't believe this selects anything, at least on my Tilt), or you can swipe to start kinetic scrolling. If you click while kinetic scrolling is occurring, I think TouchFlo causes a selection to be made (although in places where single-click activate is the default, I don't think it actually activates the item--it simply highlights it).
You may be able to resolve this by changing the TFLOSettings\FingerPressure value.
I had a problem for the first six months with TouchFlo where the context menu would pop up about one in three times I tried to scroll (swiping or dragging). This happened even the moment I started using the device. Completely and utterly unusable. But after the third or so time I tried adjusting TFLOSettings values in the registry, I finally solved the problem. I ended up with TFLOSettings\FingerPressure=0x64 (100) and TouchPanel\PressureThreshold=0xC8 (200).
I REALLY wish HTC or someone would produce a complete guide to customizing TouchFlo scrolling (including the meanings of the TFLOSETTINGS values). It really works well, once it is optimized. Although, it will be great if Microsoft builds scrolling into the Common Controls in WM6.5.
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Actually there are genius developers in here. I think you're just being a little picky, the touch flo works fine for me.
I think I recall a touchflo sensitivity setting in KaiserTweak. Get it, then try setting the Touchflo sensitivity to the most sensitive option possible.
Dave
+1 on Kaisertweek, altho I reduced sensitivity instead of increasing it. Technique counts too. I tend to use nails or stylus for browsers, especially Opera. Use keyboard for contacts, and scrollwheel to dial it from there. Every phone is different, but reducing sensitivity via Kaisertweek worked for me.
Problem solved
Finally figured it out and now it works perfectly. The culprit was the too high value in HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel\PressureThreshold.... I put a value of 160 (dword:000000a0) and now I have almost iPhone experience
heres a thread closer !
to bring some closure to this thread, the following utility will solve all your touchflo woes!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=499837
Hi,
Fyi, I just noticed that Dolphin Mini browser is now out of beta, available on market.
The key changes, for me are that you can now select plugin behavior, and setting a gesture to Homepage now correctly goes to the Speed dial page, so I can use fullscreen almost 100%.
Jim
I really like it so far, seems to scroll smoother and they downsized those monster tabs! I'll have to try it on my phone.
Clayfree said:
I really like it so far, seems to scroll smoother and they downsized those monster tabs! I'll have to try it on my phone.
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Yeah. Looks nice.
It took me awhile, but I'm starting to like Dolphin Mini.
I still think that Xscope is faster, but I've been having problems with Flash (other thread here), and I really want a browser where I can leave it in full screen to take advantage of the Gtab screen size, without constantly pressing Menu to navigate.
The Dolphin Mini 1.0 allows me to do that.
Basically, I set all of the links that I usually go to on the Homepage/Speed dial page.
Then I set a gesture (a small "h") to go to the Speed Dial. Then go to fullscreen.
So now, whenever I want to go back to speed dial, I just do the "h" gesture, and I go from there, staying fullscreen all the time.
Jim