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Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?

Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?
I got really frustrated by the stability issues of some roms. Some i liked, they were unstable... some were stable but i did not like them.
I've just started cooking and i realized that MANY things can go wrong. So my question is...
IS THERE any thought, any real reason, behind using BETA leaked software in a rom??
Back in the S100(Magician) days... there were fewer leakes and things were stable. You actually could choose from 3-4 stable roms.
Also the wikis are a mess... i used to visit them first and i will try to help fix them.

Before the final ver there is always a trial and error ver..
If you ask for final ver then go to SEUS
Give respect to people who have given time to make a ROM ..
samov said:
Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?
I got really frustrated by the stability issues of some roms. Some i liked, they were unstable... some were stable but i did not like them.
I've just started cooking and i realized that MANY things can go wrong. So my question is...
IS THERE any thought, any real reason, behind using BETA leaked software in a rom??
Back in the S100(Magician) days... there were fewer leakes and things were stable. You actually could choose from 3-4 stable roms.
Also the wikis are a mess... i used to visit them first and i will try to help fix them.
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samov said:
Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?
I got really frustrated by the stability issues of some roms. Some i liked, they were unstable... some were stable but i did not like them.
I've just started cooking and i realized that MANY things can go wrong. So my question is...
IS THERE any thought, any real reason, behind using BETA leaked software in a rom??
Back in the S100(Magician) days... there were fewer leakes and things were stable. You actually could choose from 3-4 stable roms.
Also the wikis are a mess... i used to visit them first and i will try to help fix them.
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Whats that I see off in the distance??? Chef's gathering and asking each other....if you listen carefully you can hear them.......ready for it.....'huh?'
Why would one want to flash ROMs off of released software? The 'fun' in all of this ....is newness....trying parts here and there and seeing what you come up with. If you wanted release software, why flash?? If, IF, stability is your primary concern....flash back to the original and don't worry about it.
But....if you're wondering what Itje will do tomorrow...or how will Agent work out that issue, or just how fast NRG can make his ROMs, or what new combination the chef's here will come up with....then come back tomorrow and feast your eyes.....cause it only gets exciting when the software is new, and the challenge is great and the ideas flow...and the questions get asked.
Hmmmm....TF3D...on an iPhone.....hahahah....nahhhhh

hey alodar1 well put

Question is why are there 40 threads like this... Especially when stable roms exist already.

papped said:
Question is why are there 40 threads like this... Especially when stable roms exist already.
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Answer is: ignorance (whoops )
you'll never know the water is cold till you dip in it

It's because we all want the newest shizzle from everything. That's why we flash custom roms. I mean why should we cook with old stuff when we can get such things from SEUS? If something is already released and stable there is no need for custom roms anymore since it will be on SEUS. The thing I like about cooking is to get the newest stuff cook it in and try to fix everything as good as possible. So if you don't understand this you maybe better get an iphone or just go to SEUS and download the latest stock rom. Wondering what you preferre
Amen

killer8nl said:
It's because we all want the newest shizzle from everything. That's why we flash custom roms. I mean why should we cook with old stuff when we can get such things from SEUS? If something is already released and stable there is no need for custom roms anymore since it will be on SEUS. The thing I like about cooking is to get the newest stuff cook it in and try to fix everything as good as possible. So if you don't understand this you maybe better get an iphone or just go to SEUS and download the latest stock rom. Wondering what you preferre
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A big thank you goes out to everyone that took me seriously and posted an answear. To all others, i think trying the latest and greatest does not justify the huge amount of bugs in so called stable roms.
Most roms take a full 3-5 sec to change a song... and there is no end to end experience using it.
In the meantime i found about the only version that is 100% usable in real life conditions.
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848&highlight=touch
Regards.

samov said:
A big thank you goes out to everyone that took me seriously and posted an answear. To all others, i think trying the latest and greatest does not justify the huge amount of bugs in so called stable roms.
Most roms take a full 3-5 sec to change a song... and there is no end to end experience using it.
In the meantime i found about the only version that is 100% usable in real life conditions.
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848&highlight=touch
Regards.
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"So called stable" doesn't mean bug free. But I think all cheffs do their best. It's just the choice of the user what rom he/she will use and like.

why chefs are using beta roms? <<<<if this is his question, then he should realize that there are no downloads anywhere online where you would download a final build of wm 6.5, the same way you would download windows xp, vista or 7......but my question is, is there a final wm 6.5???? wm 6.1 became final weeks ago, so where is 6.5 now???? hmmm i think you should do some research before bashing chefs who enjoy doing what they do
the betas were leaked dude, you need to relax, a chef can only cook what is available,
also wm 6.5 is not even out of beta stages IMO, every single build has a bug, even the ones that are in the official ads by the real makers, u can tell bcos the battery icon is still not positioned properly as in 6.1
the official R3A rom from SEUS also has at least one bug i can point to you, and that's official, so back to your question, whats your question again?

samov said:
A big thank you goes out to everyone that took me seriously and posted an answear. To all others, i think trying the latest and greatest does not justify the huge amount of bugs in so called stable roms.
Most roms take a full 3-5 sec to change a song... and there is no end to end experience using it.
In the meantime i found about the only version that is 100% usable in real life conditions.
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848&highlight=touch
Regards.
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but you misunderstand...we do take you serious,,,,very serious. Well..right up to the 100% reliable statement. It goes like this. It all depends on your likes, needs, and tastes.
I too am a Smaberg fan. But he uses a released OS, and changes the wrappers. Thats like changing your tie...should I wear blue today or the Red one with stripes. He does(did) a GREAT job.
But the 6.5 ROMs...all new...all different, so many varieties. Pick one you like...or not. But...in 6 months....building a 6.5 ROM will be like...Smabergs ROMs...which tie should I wear today. Great work...but.....not new.
People who flash here, stability maybe in their top 5 concerns...but probably not 1, or 2. they ride bikes downhill at full spead...or at least want to. They have more beta products that actual release products. NO ONE here flashes a ROM expecting it work perfect because they have a huge business trip tomorrow. They only HOPE it will be perfect...because if it is...they will have the coolest thing in the room.
there is no medicine to fix these symtoms....only new ROMs
Do not thing we do not take you serious....we do....we just don't understand your question.

killer8nl said:
"So called stable" doesn't mean bug free. But I think all cheffs do their best. It's just the choice of the user what rom he/she will use and like.
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Yep, bugs usually show up dependent on usage and how critical they are varies on what a person cares about. So you're "stable" might not be someone else's stable and vice versa.

Because people like me exist..
Speaking for myself.. My X1 was just getting boring until of course I learned I could flash the rom with the latest thing people are talking about but don't have... WOW!! My phone became exciting again..
These chefs are the coolest.. I toggle between the different roms from the credible chefs and that 'need for new' on my budget is quenched... <Donations to come (promise) >
Someone once said "If you don’t risk anything, you risk even more."

welldone to our chefs
I strongly believe that we can only progress in life by trying new ideas and stuffs. so i will say a big welldone to all the chefs for all their time and devotion they've dedicated to these roms we keep flashing. Trully without these so called beta roms, the x1 would have been the worst phone i believe, ever produced by sonyericsson. i have had all the se P series, and then thought that the X1 was going to be the icing on the cake. that never happened. certainly personally is was product i've ever spend so much money on. fortunately i found this website, and it rescued me. i keep flashing my phone with new roms. it is as if i have a new phone all the time. so please leave the chefs alone. stay with the se stable rom. Again welldone to all the chefs.

divinetong said:
I strongly believe that we can only progress in life by trying new ideas and stuffs. so i will say a big welldone to all the chefs for all their time and devotion they've dedicated to these roms we keep flashing. Trully without these so called beta roms, the x1 would have been the worst phone i believe, ever produced by sonyericsson. i have had all the se P series, and then thought that the X1 was going to be the icing on the cake. that never happened. certainly personally is was product i've ever spend so much money on. fortunately i found this website, and it rescued me. i keep flashing my phone with new roms. it is as if i have a new phone all the time. so please leave the chefs alone. stay with the se stable rom. Again welldone to all the chefs.
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because of xda and these great chefs, my X1 is yet the most exciting phone i ever had in 12 years since i first used a cell/mobile phone.
without them, X1 coudlve been just another phone
so kudos to all chefs!

Best ROM available

Hello everyone
I'd like to know what are you opnion about the best rom available for the Blackstone.
Wich one is more stable, fast, less batt consumer!!!
Please let everyone know what are you running into your devices...
Thanks

Before lockout of this thread I reveal you that I have Miri's v.18 inside

Personal Choice
fabioabud said:
Hello everyone
I'd like to know what are you opnion about the best rom available for the Blackstone.
Wich one is more stable, fast, less batt consumer!!!
Please let everyone know what are you running into your devices...
Thanks
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This will be closed very fast. Been asked many times but usually what works for me may not for you so really a personal choice thing. Try a few and see for yourself.
Goodluck.

I was in the same situation as you a few months back - I got pointed in the direction of a Dutty ROM by a work colleague, and I ended up trying a few EnergyROMs before settling with Topix which I reckon is very quick, but maybe not everyone's cup of tea.
So to pretty much mirror what BlueAnt said, only you can decide if a ROM is good for what you use your phone for.

I like Miri's ROMs because they are mostly 'clean' - it's up to me what applications/settings I put on, if any.

Everybody knows!!!
Everyone knows that Miri is the best (speed + smoth + stock) rom and Xannytech the most kind and complete, but nobody likes to say it to keep other chefs trying good roms ...

Marne Jr said:
Everyone knows that Miri is the best (speed + smoth + stock) rom and Xannytech the most kind and complete, but nobody likes to say it to keep other chefs trying good roms ...
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Also the energyroms are great. Very complete and would be perfect if they can inscrease a little bit of speed...

BlueAnt1958 said:
This will be closed very fast. Been asked many times but usually what works for me may not for you so really a personal choice thing. Try a few and see for yourself.
Goodluck.
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Hello
I'm from Brasil and bought my HD in France in the end of 12/2008.
Since then I'm flashing ROMs - most from Duttys.
The last one I flashed and still using is Leo Holy Grail R0 - Dutty's last rom for HD.
I starterd this trhead hopping to know if there is any new ROM that may worth the time of flashing again, as I think most of the guys here and like my self are flash addict .
I've been reading some posts and I'm intend to flash from Miri and Laurentius.
What do you guys think about these two ROMs and compare to Duttys??
Thanks again to everyone.

Miris roms fast stable
Xannytech fully with features and fine stablety

I recomend XannyTech GridEvo 2.4 21885.
Its really good..
Just test..

No such thing as best rom. Everyone has different tastes. I suggest you read a few threads and then try a few roms to make your own conclusion on which is best for you
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Which one do you prefer?

Duttys HD Leo Holy Grail R0
or
Miri WM65 21890 :: Manila 2.5 :: V 19.0
Which of these roms is more stable more responsive and gives a near to hd2 experience?

option 3: the new Topix 2.5 rom has my vote .
And to be more constructive:
Try them both out, because it is often related to the installed programs, and what you feel is important in a good rom. So it really is hard (if not impossible...) to answer your question.

i just want to know about those 2 as they have the best reviews!!

ahsan366 said:
i just want to know about those 2 as they have the best reviews!!
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Try them both out, in fact I reckon you should give topix a spin too, I reckon its the best Rom i ever installed and i must have tried around 30+ in the last 2 months or so including Dutty and Miri
Alchopop

I would add the Cloudy 1.2 rom to that list too then... Before i tried Cloudy's rom, I worked with Dutty's holy grail for a few months, but it was still a bit sluggish. Cloudy, imo, comes very close to the hd2 rom.

There is not really an answer to this question, because everyone's having different opinions in chosing a rom. The best thing for you would be to try them both, and make your own conclusion which one is "better".

Guys thanks for the answers. The thing is that you guys test all sort of roms so i thought that maybe it will save time. Please all of you if you can elaborate and explain with reasons why you think the rom you have said is the best. Do all the features work or you have to patch them up from here and there?

waiting the thread to be closed.......

+1, please close this thread. This is a very stupid question and like it said there is no answer.

To the OP and based on my limited testing. I tried the Holly Grail a number of months ago and at the time it really was the Holly Grail. It was probably the best and most fully featured Leo rom of the time. I have tried Miris Leo ROM 17 and although it was very good and very well featured, it did hang on me a number of times. As I understand it, I should of carried out a number of tweaks to get the thing working correctly (note to self read the thread). Version 19 is certainly the later of the two and as I understand it features many improvements that resolve bugs, add new features and improve performance. For me my next step was to test Miri's 19 Leo. I think there are still extra steps that need to be performed to get it running 100%, something to do with rilphone.dll I think, but nothing too serious.
Take note MIRI has a number of different versions with different performance implications. As I understand it, the version with HTC messaging can slow performance, but on the other hand features HTC messaging
Hope this helps.

Your asking for users to choose between 2 roms. Some are going to say 1, some 2
Everyone has different opinions. End result may be in favour of one other the other, but you may dsiagree after trying both
Best advice try both and make your own conclusion
Thread closed
p.s. opinionated threads are frowned upon in XDA and are generally closed asap as they create endless long debates

What is the most stable / bugfree ROM available

I use my phone constantly and find even the AT&T stock ROM is not stable. I reboot nearly every day which in itself wouldn't be a problem if I could just reboot in the morning and forget it. However, randomly the ROM gets very very slow and I have to reboot and nearly always just when I need it. I don't need a lot of flash or extras though a little speed boost would be nice. I can install the few extra applications that I need. What I really need is a good, stable ROM.
Any suggestions?

There are lots of good ROMs here. But everyone uses their phone differently. Try one out and see how it goes for you.

verge said:
I use my phone constantly and find even the AT&T stock ROM is not stable. I reboot nearly every day which in itself wouldn't be a problem if I could just reboot in the morning and forget it. However, randomly the ROM gets very very slow and I have to reboot and nearly always just when I need it. I don't need a lot of flash or extras though a little speed boost would be nice. I can install the few extra applications that I need. What I really need is a good, stable ROM.
Any suggestions?
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Mod seem to close these questions very quickly.
But I like to say that I have tried them all and seem to always revert back to Josh's 1.7 (with Sense 2.1) which can be found here....
http://f1ip.net/Downloads/RhodiumFiles/Roms/Joshkoss/1.7_Full_Final.7z

Thanks but ...
I appreciate your input steviewevie but I am doing something not everyone here does ... actually looking for some opinions.

Josh 1.7 Or Jackos OldSchool

I've tried pretty much every GSM ROM out there for my TP2. The most stable with the most available RAM and fastest speed goes out to Jackos Old School 1.1 ROM without a doubt.

I think there should be a new monthly thread poll open for the 1st week of every month with this exact question.
I can understand how the veterans get sick of this and clutter up things.
On the other hand, I can appreciate having the information available. It is frustrating to search and only find locked threads.
Please mods, take me up on this idea, or at least some version of it.
I wish I had time to flash 10 different ROMs to see which is most stable and fits my needs. Let's leave that up to the people that have time, and allow them to summarize their findings via a regular poll.
Thank you

I find my ROM to be quite stable.
I should release it one of these days.
Would you like to be my exclusive BETA tester?

Deep Shining very good.. Ive tried them all
Deep shining is a very good ROM.. I've tried em all .

I have tried just about every cook and i would have to say eras2r makes the most stable ROM for the rhodium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585403
This is the only ROM that i have flashed that never crashes or freezes EVER. i have been using bug free windows mobile for almost a year now

Personally, I find EnergyROM to be my favourite. I know you don't want loads of extras but EnergyROM is very very smooth and looks very nice and then you have those extras to play around with when you get bored!

I have been using Energy with Cookie HomeTab 28th May 2010 verison, and works very well.
Very fast rom, even loads and runs Copilot8 without issues, which is more than the HTC 6.5 rom did.

I agree. Mods, why not put up a mini site with a list of ROMs available - such as a "marketplace" and then let users rank and comment with feedback. I've spent a week searching through all of this trying to figure out which way to go. I can't just flash a ROM, get it all customized, then 2 weeks later do it again. I actually have to use the phone to work. At the very least this would allow people to rule out certain ROMs based on their needs.

Ranking a ROM is so objective... Some users expect features, others speed and all the all business users a reliable ROM is a must. Maybe there should be a "stars-voting" system that allows the user to vote for speed, stability, futures, eye-candy etc.?
Anyway I think that a pinned thread with a ROM index would be enough. Just a basic info + developers comment.

Jackos said:
Ranking a ROM is so objective... Some users expect features, others speed and all the all business users a reliable ROM is a must. Maybe there should be a "stars-voting" system that allows the user to vote for speed, stability, futures, eye-candy etc.?
Anyway I think that a pinned thread with a ROM index would be enough. Just a basic info + developers comment.
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I'm not sure that would help, each entry would be the same:
Content: "list of contents"
Comment: "Best ROM out there - ever"
The contents would change, but the comments wouldn't!

Yeah, because people are too cocksure. I would never call my rom "better" or even "the best". I thought about the chief description as a short note what are goals for each rom.
Ach, and one screenshot would be nice too.

Jackos said:
Yeah, because people are too cocksure. I would never call my rom "better" or even "the best". I thought about the chief description as a short note what are goals for each rom.
Ach, and one screenshot would be nice too.
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My comment was tongue-in-cheek, but honestly, wouldn't you want the Chef of your ROM to be working on having the absolute best ROM out there? Otherwise he/she would not have very much motivation. Think about it:
"Yup, my ROM is OK, but not the best"
Not a ROM I would try...

So make sure you never try my roms
I think that a rom is a personal combination of programs/skins that fit the chief. But that's just my thought
I saw a guy that said something like that: "Asking on xda what's the best rom is like going to a bar and asking with beer is the best". Different persons, different ROM experiences All about taste.

Jackos said:
So make sure you never try my roms
I think that a rom is a personal combination of programs/skins that fit the chief. But that's just my thought
I saw a guy that said something like that: "Asking on xda what's the best rom is like going to a bar and asking with beer is the best". Different persons, different ROM experiences All about taste.
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Myself, I always look for the ROM that "Taste's great, less filling".

toadlife said:
I find my ROM to be quite stable.
I should release it one of these days.
Would you like to be my exclusive BETA tester?
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Toadlife? You're alive and you have a TP2??? Hahah, I remember when you released your kitchen for the Wing, those were the days

[Q] Really confused...

As to which ROM to get?
So many new developers with new ROMs which is great but how do I choose which is best for me?
I'm currently on GingerReal 8.0 and it's quite slow in comparison to my other recently flashed ROMs but it's OK for now.
What I want is an overall nice ROM; speed, looks and battery life are all as important as each other for me.
What is your favourite ROM and why is it better than the others?
Thanks for your help guys

This thread is going to start a flame war !
there is no better / worse ROMs out there, they are all unique in their own little way..
The only advice i can give you (and im sure many others will agree) Is you search the development section carefully. Pick out a few ROMs you like the sound of, Flash them on your device, and have a little play...
Read the comments, see what people are saying about it, Weigh up the pro's and con's.. And make your decision based upon your results..
There are LOTS of ROMs out there, it would take a lifetime (over exaggerating) to try them all.. So its important you find a ROM that meets your expectations.
Hope this helps good luck

azzledazzle said:
This thread is going to start a flame war !
there is no better / worse ROMs out there, they are all unique in their own little way..
The only advice i can give you (and im sure many others will agree) Is you search the development section carefully. Pick out a few ROMs you like the sound of, Flash them on your device, and have a little play...
Read the comments, see what people are saying about it, Weigh up the pro's and con's.. And make your decision based upon your results..
There are LOTS of ROMs out there, it would take a lifetime (over exaggerating) to try them all.. So its important you find a ROM that meets your expectations.
Hope this helps good luck
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Thanks for the reply,
And I guess that's what I will have to do to find the ROM for me!

zeroundead said:
Thanks for the reply,
And I guess that's what I will have to do to find the ROM for me!
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its the only way mate, if i was to tell you "choose MIUI its the best", Then a darky user will come over and say "No its not, darky's is the best"
And then a simply honey user says, "no mines the best"..... the list goes on, Before you know it we are all arguing like little kids...
it gets us no where... !
Have fun

It's hard to hold one rom over another. Each offer features which some want and others don't need or want.
It's especially hard at the moment, as we're in what a appears to be a very active developement firmware development cycle at Samsung.
Though in the past Darky's rom was a safe bet for beginners, offering a decent mix of extra features along with stability and speed improvements over stock roms, their roms in the gingerbread era have lacked polish.
Then we have cyanogen based roms which are independent of the samsung devlopement cycle but are for advanced flashers who like to flash every other day it would seem.
TL;DR
Pick the rom which suits you. I like Surface at the moment. It suits my needs. But i'm on the precipace of flashing a cyanogen based rom

Just say 1 2 3 4 and choose 1

+ 1 to all of the above, roms are like wine, get out and taste them
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Yeah, +1 too.
Just wanted to add that if you want a really smooth and fast phone, after reading the roms threads, I give you the advice of reading the custom kernel threads too...
The kernel is, in my opinion, the best way to have a smoother phone.
I think you can have the rom you want (design and functionalities wise) but if you want smoothness, stability and / or good battery usage, you will have to carefully choose the kernel you want...
For CM7 roms, I don't know the kernels...
But for Samsung roms, the 3 best kernels of the moment, in my opinion (because they are in active development and the devs are working really really really ****ing hard...) are Talon (performance, stability, energy), Galaxian (performance) and Semaphore kernels (stability).
Hope it will help !