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Interesting news from cingular

I called cingular tonight because i have been trying to get my 750 paired with my tom tom one 3rd edition for use of the weather updates and cameras and such. Through conversation with a support representative, and trying to troubleshoot why it couldn't use the wireless connection of the phone, the representative asked me to check a few things on my phone. While answering some questions, one of which was about device software and such and i told him i had windows mobile 6 installed.
From this point on he led into reasons why i should be using it with out it being released and such which is to be expected. He also stated that doing to much to the phone can possibly make the phone upgradable when the real WM6 update is released. This he mentioned were changing the boot loader, IPL and SPL software in the phone, that and using bogus releases of software. The reason being he said was that the soon to be released update probes the phone deeply because everything has been updated including the boot loader stuff.
Now i cant confirm or deny any truth to these statements but the only thing i had done with mine was a try a few new firmwares but after my conversation with them i quickly reverted back to WM5.
here is a link to get it if anyone is interested in doing the same. Download either or, they are the same. included is the cheeimg.nbh and the cheediag.nbh. the cheediag.nbh wont complete is you have othere that cingular WM5 on ur cingular treo 750.
http://rapidshare.com/files/17874512/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
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http://rs61l32.rapidshare.com/files/16438750/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip

I think Olipro's response covers the reality of this mighty fine. There's really only one scenario where you could do something and not be able to change or revert, and that has to do with the radio.
If you put a Hermes radio on the Treo, you won't be able to change it ever again until a hack is worked up. The Hermes radio does a bit of authentication with the SPL using a function that is the Hermes SPLs, but not in the Cheetah SPL.
I'm currently stuck in this situation unfortunately..
jhowle said:
I called cingular tonight because i have been trying to get my 750 paired with my tom tom one 3rd edition for use of the weather updates and cameras and such. Through conversation with a support representative, and trying to troubleshoot why it couldn't use the wireless connection of the phone, the representative asked me to check a few things on my phone. While answering some questions, one of which was about device software and such and i told him i had windows mobile 6 installed.
From this point on he led into reasons why i should be using it with out it being released and such which is to be expected. He also stated that doing to much to the phone can possibly make the phone upgradable when the real WM6 update is released. This he mentioned were changing the boot loader, IPL and SPL software in the phone, that and using bogus releases of software. The reason being he said was that the soon to be released update probes the phone deeply because everything has been updated including the boot loader stuff.
Now i cant confirm or deny any truth to these statements but the only thing i had done with mine was a try a few new firmwares but after my conversation with them i quickly reverted back to WM5.
here is a link to get it if anyone is interested in doing the same. Download either or, they are the same. included is the cheeimg.nbh and the cheediag.nbh. the cheediag.nbh wont complete is you have othere that cingular WM5 on ur cingular treo 750.
http://rapidshare.com/files/17874512/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
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http://rs61l32.rapidshare.com/files/16438750/Treo750_Cingular_ROM.zip
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this is why i am not doing the Hard SPL unlock bit. I mean it is great that someone has the smarts to make this work but honestly it took thousands of man hours and engineers to make these phones and the software in them. I believe honestly software has gotten like the pharmacutical industry, so many side affects and there is know way the one person who wrote this can adaquately predict what will happen on every phone. SOmetimes it is better to just leave alone.

oh and think you guys should post what side affects you know of in regards to using the HARD-SPL. I think a lot of people are gonna be pissed if they used that and cannot get the AT&T update to install on thier phones when it comes out.. I smell some future legal problems here.

Ok I'm feeling a bit dense today, are you saying if I have the leaked AT&T WM 6 rom installed on my Treo it won't be able to update to the official release?

Naw, no one is saying that. You can install whatever updates you want, including future updates. Don't pay attention to folks who haven't been 'round here long or the misguided/misinformed ramblings of a Cingular tech support cubicle jockey.
VirgoXDA said:
Ok I'm feeling a bit dense today, are you saying if I have the leaked AT&T WM 6 rom installed on my Treo it won't be able to update to the official release?
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I suggest you read up on the world of HTC devices (the Treo is made by HTC) to get some helpful insight into bootloaders, radios, OS ROMs, etc. The Hermes upgrading forum would be a good place to start - the Hermes is very similar to the Treo.
The only "side effects" are this:
-the patched bootloader will not allow itself to be overwritten by a carrier ROM update. The patched bootloader is what allows a cooked (unsigned) ROM to be flashed.
-the patched bootloader will let you flash a Hermes radio to the device if you are so inclined. Right now this is a bad move since the Hermes radios have a radio bootloader which requires authentication from the main bootloader (SPL), and this isn't supported by the main bootloader. End result - if you flash a Hermes radio, you'll be stuck with it, perhaps forever.
Palm, HTC, and carriers will always give you a scripted response when it comes to running modified code on your device. Their responses are designed to discourage folks from bricking or otherwise fouling up their device and then running to Palm or the carriers for help. You'll get a clear picture of the risks and realities here on these forums.
jhowle said:
oh and think you guys should post what side affects you know of in regards to using the HARD-SPL. I think a lot of people are gonna be pissed if they used that and cannot get the AT&T update to install on thier phones when it comes out.. I smell some future legal problems here.
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yeah i've known for a long time that HTC has made the treo 750 and many others. I'm just not that much into my phone that i wanna know how this affects this and make it do this neat thing.. i just want it to work.

Talk about contradictory...you're mighty confusing my friend.
Anyway, you've happened upon a site dedicated to modifying devices via cooked OS's and patched device code so they can "do neat things". Perhaps you'd find the various Treo user sites closer to your needs...Treocentral is a good one.
jhowle said:
yeah i've known for a long time that HTC has made the treo 750 and many others. I'm just not that much into my phone that i wanna know how this affects this and make it do this neat thing.. i just want it to work.
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Should I buy this phone?

I nearly bought this phone tonight before T-Mobile decided to charge me full price. I decided ebay might be a better place to buy one instead of paying 500 dollars for an iphone wannabe. It looks like a nice phone. I really like the wifi feature. I intend to use the wifi in my home as I already have wifi though out the house in use with my wifes computer and my PS3. It seemed like it would fit nice. I want to be able to surf the internet and maybe use google maps and google talk via the phone and wifi. I assume that can be done. After reading a few reviews though I put a screeching halt on my ebay bids. The phone seems to suffer from serious memory issues. Every negative review dealt with the memory or lock ups which I assume were also memory related. It appears the phone ships with a slow processor and not enough memory. I have no problems with buys a microSD card in the 2 to 4 gig range if that will solve the memory issues. I intended on buying one anyway for the application storage. Will the additional memory solve the issues with the phone? Are there updates to the phone that will correct these issues possible since many of the reviews were written? Are there currently SAFE work arounds that would correct the memory issues? I am no stranger to fooling around with this type of thing but at 300 dollars and considering that I am buying on ebay, I'm affraid i wont be in a position to gamble with the phone. If made the purchase through T-mobile I could possibly return the phone but ebay is another matter. Many of the sales are final. I dont want this phone if it requires flashing Rom's or extensive worj arounds to get the phone working.
So I will rely on your opinions on whether or not to make this purchase. If not this phone..what phone? I use t-mobile and dont want an unlocked phone so it would need to be one of their available products. I hear the MDA isnt bad. I really like the idea of a windows mobile OS as it would allow me to put darn near any app on the phone I want to. I want WIFI. I want to be able to use google talk and google maps on the phone and I really like the idea of surfing the web for free on my couch useing full functioning browsers not those mobile editions. Any recomendations if not the Hearld/Wing? Can I get the Wing to work properly and not freeze, hang up, lock up, or require constant reboots?

Point Blank you will have to change the rom on the wing in order to get some performance out of it, I switched from the MDA and the first day I got the wing I wanted my MDA back, but after changing the rom I forgot all about my big fat MDA even though The MDA has a 1250mAh battery and the wing just has a 1130mAh Batt.
If you do not want to do a rom upgraded you can take a shot at the Shadow, which has twice has much built in Memory and Storage, but its just a smartphone not a full PPC ................
also the MDA has been Dis-continued so if you buy one it will be a re-furb.

on second thought, You might just have to change the paging pool size and that should free up some Memory. and its too easy to do, and you can also delete and uninstall some files and programs you have no need for

I saw a few articles about both the rom and the page file. In your opinion, is changing the rom a wise thing to do with little to no support? I know that rom updates are risky, but on computers for example, its such a slick and easy process that there is little to no risk. Would a rom update on the wing be a wise thing to do? Is the available rom from a reputable sourse or is this something "Cody the 12 year old" made? I really want to make this wing my next phone but I dont want a 400 dollar PDA/cell phone that does neither correctly.

prodaytrader said:
I saw a few articles about both the rom and the page file. In your opinion, is changing the rom a wise thing to do with little to no support? I know that rom updates are risky, but on computers for example, its such a slick and easy process that there is little to no risk. Would a rom update on the wing be a wise thing to do? Is the available rom from a reputable sourse or is this something "Cody the 12 year old" made? I really want to make this wing my next phone but I dont want a 400 dollar PDA/cell phone that does neither correctly.
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Hi,
I have not created my own rom, but have recooked a few version of the Touch-IT v2.3 wing by itje. Recooking a rom is a long process, creating a rom would take even longer.
I've flashed my wing over 80 times now during testing new roms and recooking.
I've bricked the phone a lot of times in the process but with the orignal ruu, its no big deal.
I'm pretty sure itje and other fine rom cookers in this forum are not 12 year olds.
If you want to buy the wing then buy it and tjem read the forum and learn how to flash new roms and change page pool size.
If you want a faster and more powerful phone then buy the Kaiser.
Thanks for reading.

funny you should mention the Kaiser. I just finished reading up on that one. Thats a serious phone. It's way more phone and money then I am prepared to pony up. Is this the next best option for me?
I didnt mean any offense on the 12 year old statement. I certainly wasnt refering to anyone in particular or members of this board. I was mearly trying to imply unproven rom techniques. It sounds like there is well tested processess probably on this board for flashing the rom. It will likely be a safe process for me.
Would there be another recomendation for T-mobile if not the Kaiser or the Wing?

T-mo currently has 3 windows based devices listed which are the Wing, The Dash and The shadow, both the Dash and the shadow are smartphones and not PPC .................. since you dont want to have to unlock another device to be able to use it, I would recomend that you get the wing and while its being shipped to you read this thread about changing the Paging Pool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324955
When you get the phone try give the 4mb Paging pool a test (thats what I use)
and if you still do not like it or just want to see how much better it is try a Rom upgraded I recomend Touch-IT wing 2.3 cooked by itje and he is not the 12 yr old that beat you in online gaming ................ you can get it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340403
The installation is VERY VERY easy, but make sure to read the instruction in the folder and if you skip a line you will brick your phone ......................... but if you do brick your phone its pretty simple to unbrick, just re-flash the official rom .................... I can't seem to find that link (or too tired to look) but if someone can post it please do, If i come home tomorrow and no one has posted a link I will upload it for you

great info. phone purchased and ill be sure to give those tips a go. thanks

prodaytrader said:
great info. phone purchased and ill be sure to give those tips a go. thanks
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Just a note. Make sure you read and then RE-READ the instructions provided with every rom. And its also a good thing to get the T-Mobile official RUU as once the phone is bricked, this is the only rom that will unbrick it. I don't want to scare you because it's actually a very easy process. I have flashed itje's rom to several of my co-workers (were all T-Mobile employees) with no unrecoverable issues.

Quick question about 'OEM' product.

First of all Hello everyone, I'm Luke and I'm pretty new to the windows mobile scene.
I've wanted a windows mobile phone for a few years now however price tags were not so appealing to me, but now I've purchased my first windows phone and it should be arriving tomorrow or within the next few days. It also seems that I've bought one at a good time as I'm happy to see a lot of development going on for 6.1/6.5 which is awesome - I like playing around with gadgets more than actually using them.
But here is the catch, whilst I've posted this in the HTC TD2 section here, the phone I've bought isn't actually a TD2. At least not an official one. It's one of the Chinese models found on eBay. I don't want a moral debate going on here - it was a bargain and it's my first step into using a Windows phone which I'm looking forward to for a decent price. It looks like a TD2 and the seller has claimed it is 'OEM Produce' however I don't believe him really.
What I wanted to ask was how will I go about flashing, updating, installing ROM's and the such on this phone? Will it be more than enough to follow instructions for a standard TD2? I hope someone here who understands hardware device and such will be able to clear that up for me.
The phone is using the same processor as the original TD2, and has the same resolution etc. Not sure if it has the same amount of ROM/RAM however it's being shipped with WM 6.1 so it has enough I presume. Are there any other hardware differences that will effect the ROM's I can use? Can I even use the same ROM's you guys are using? I don't care about the lower quality camera and less important things like that.
Thanks for any advice (sorry it was a bit long winded)
Please scroll down to see my most recent post! Thanks!

Thats is a very tricky question you are asking here.
First of all, nothing is certain or guaranteed of what you might receive there. After all, the product you receive will be a counterfeit phone, a fake trying to mock a real TD2. And as with any fake products you get the same quality issues. How do you know for sure that it has the same processor?? Just because they write it there? The same can apply to the RAM, ROM, Display etc.! It is in my opinion HIGHLY unlikely that the phone you will receive, will have anything in common (technology-wise) with the real TD2. The TD2 combines a lot of recent technology like that hd screen, cam and ram. What you will find underneath of yours might be a mash-up of older HTC phones like the Diamond or even older..who knows!? You can continue this uncertainty with the Windows that phone is running...it will be some homecooked release that is made to work with the components the phone features. As they will be different to TD2 as we have clarified earlier, the ROMs available here will most certainly not work ideally with yours....and i would be highly surprised to see a forum that will be dedicated to a fake TD2 lolz. Anyways, I think you get my point...I dont really see why you would ship yourself a chinese mock-up to start with a Windows Mobile phone...I dont, really. There are so many nice cheap hq HTC phones out there that still support 6.5 to-date. I have been using a HTC Excalibur (S620/621/Dash) for like 4 years and kept buying the same phone since then because i LOVE it. The quality is superb and it runs Windows Mobile 6.5 like a charm. You can pickup a brandnew unlocked one for $100 at the bay. Just a week ago i decided to upgrade and bought a new TD2...not here yet but same as you i am very excited Im sorry that i drifted off into a moral debate by the way
If you really want to embark on trying to update your phone you will have to analyze the rom closely to see what phone's ROM it is actually running. This will help you to find the according forum in here.
Good luck

I concur with vivid22, The internals of your phone will certainly be different to those of the original HTC build and as such you may have many unforseen troubles if you do flash the rom.
But if you decide to proceed with a rom flash i would be very interested to hear of your results.
You may also be interested in using some benchmark software and comparing how your phone performs compared to ours, maybe you can discover if the CPU is indeed the correct performance. Its all quite interesting.
Oh and welcome to the forums

Thanks for your responses guys! Very informative.
While I'm not going to respond to the most obvious statements like it being a counterfeit and it sucking etc in much detail because of course you are right! but I knew this when I bought it. The price is the real difference here and I don't mind if I can't flash it but I too am interested if it will actually work .
I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive and yes you both are right it has a very high chance that it is using different internals and I expect this, however the seller seems to state its using very similar hardware.
I will be more than happy to mess around with it, I guess I will dump the ROM first if I can then try installing some 6.5 etc - no problem trying I guess. I must say I've seen some clones from merimobiles.com (or something) with TouchFlo and I think even WinMo 6.5 but then again obtaining those ROM's will be a quest in itself. Not sure if mine is being shipped with TouchFlo, it has it in the screen shots on the listening but that really counts for nothing .
I have seen a few threads on these devices and their flash capability but not any with any definitive results so hopefully I can get the ball rolling. When I actually receive my product I will be able to tell if it is actually using the same processor, etc.

I believe you will find that Hard SPL will not flash to unlock your device.
Many here have tried with the same knock-offs.

Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?

Lukeff7 said:
Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?
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No, SPL unlocks the OS, not the SIM.
Bootloader mode is how you determine your current SPL.

Okay. So I should be able to (hopefully) get into bootloader and find the SPL it currently has.
Well I guess thats it until I actually recieve the phone, cheers guys I'll post how I get on for the people who are interested.

It will be very interesting to hear about it. hope you get what you ordered?
God luck

Well, I'm back, for anyone who is interested!
Phone finally came, snow over here in the UK slowed it down haha!
So, the phone is very good for what I paid, and very nice.
I'd like to go about flashing it though, as it's currently running 6.1 with SPB Mobile Shell. SPB is very nice, but I really like the look of Touch Flo.
Now while cosmetically the phone looks pretty close to the TD2, it has a few things like no front camera (don't really care) and the zoom bar also seems to do absolutely nothing. The phone runs as smooth as it should. It has no g-sensor as far as I can tell, shame but doesn't really matter.
All of this sounds like it has no chance, I think it even has less RAM than it was meant to but I'm not sure... But here is why I am still curious about trying:
Windows Mobile is reporting that it is using the 528Mhz MSM7200A processor.
That is what I believe the real TD2 uses, correct me if I am wrong.
If this means it is using the same chipset or what-have you as the TD2, I don't know. This is why I need help.
Really, what I am asking, is what kind of things can I look at in the phone to tell what I could possibly flash it with?
Do you think the HardSPL utility you all use will work with it? Is there even any way to tell, or should I just try anyway? And could that break the phone beyond repair? Is there a way to find out the real specs of this phone, because it may have been modified so that it read that processor name?
What do you guys think. I'm willing to try all sorts, I just don't want to brick it with no way of getting it back that's why I am just asking for opinions before I do it anyway.
Thanks

You will brick your phone for sure if you try a rom for Diamond2, search this forum for chinese ROM (I saw it somewhere on another thread in Topaz section), but watch out that you will have a clean windows without customizations includind TF3D.

[Q] My God This Site Makes Me Feel Behind The Times

Okay so I use to keep up with the cell phones a decent bit but never got into the windows mobile phones.
Cause my original use for phones was just to have a phone encase someone needed to reach me.
Then it slowly grew into calls, text, music.
And slowly into the now, calls, text, music, organizer, web browsing, pictures, email, no weather though (rain or shin who cares lol), instant messaging, video, I don't really hit the myspace, facebook, twitter really but would be handy for gf, anyone do anything for wiki yet lol
Man getting old sucks. lol, it use to be easy to keep up with everything.
examples: Home Theater, Car Audio, Computers, Cell Phones, Gaming, Exc.
So keep in mind this is for my Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2 - Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional
I have noticed not alot of love for the CDMA Phones, and I'm also not sure what type of display my phone is.
I have seen like 4 or 5 different labels for the display types and wondered which mine was.
So to my point. From what I am seeing going threw all of these.
No one seems to be making a version of these things where your not totally re-flashing the phone. Or am I just reading that wrong.
In using these different things do they really replace the original backup image on the phone. Or are they just adding another app or Today Screen Item or System overlay or what ever you call it.
I see alot of warnings and using different things for backing up my phone.
That the person suggest to use.
So I'm just try to gauge the level of change to the phone that is going to happen.
I was also wondering how often to people on here take from people ideas or suggestions?
Since I lack the skills in programing. I was thinking of making up some mock pictures and descriptions of what I would like and see what people and programmers think.
I would also be open to any suggestions in things to add as well.
So I think I am going to start doing to mock ups and will post them in a second post but will make a spot for me to edit after this one.

Mock Ideas & Display
post to be edited in future for ideas and concepts

First of all, you'll have to find out more details about your phone... For that you go to Settings > System > Device Information. There you'll find all the details about the current ROM, Manilla, etc. And enough details to get all the information regarding your phone using Google.
Secondly, it's really not that difficult keeping up with the latest tech. Get a few nice RSS feeds for news on technology. I'm personally still waiting for some viable Augmented Reality tech. If you've got an interest then you'll keep up and with the software we have today you can get everything right on your phone or desktop. I personally spend the first hour of every day browsing news, reading articles and reading my emails using my Google Desktop RSS feeds.
Thirdly, flashing ROMs is the easiest way for custom builds to be released. Otherwise you'd have a hundred different CAB files to install and you'd likely get a million errors because of requirements from other CABs that weren't considered. Flashing is really not that difficult and saves a lot of time and effort for both the developer and the user (for the developer because he doesn't get a million queries on why something isn't working). Of course there are a hundred different apps and themes to change the look and feel of your phone but the problem is that HTC never released a global version of Sense/Manilla 2.5 for the Touch Pro 2 (Phone is sold with WM6.5 and Manilla 2.1). They've recently released some localized versions but getting them for your phone is a mission and it doesn't provide you with all the nice added functionality that some of the XDA developers provide.
It does replace your original ROM but you can always download that again from HTC and just flash it back to the original.
Lastly, writing software isn't just as easy as 1,2,3. Well... sometimes it is but if you really want to create something that's useful and adequately stylish it's going to take some time. What's likely is that you'll create your concept art and someone might have the same passion for the concepts that you do and create it for you. Chances are very slim for that though... but post the concepts and let's see what you can come up with. I'm personally writing an integrated system for my fiance using web-services, windows apps and mobile apps so that she can manage her ballet school comfortably. This is a huge project in itself and I get bored really quickly if there isn't anything challenging to figure out.
Always check google... chances are that someone's already created what you're looking for.
Good luck with the catching up and don't be afraid to ask questions. Just also remember that there is unfortunately such a thing as a stupid question so use the search function on the forum as well as google extensively before asking anything.

allusion said:
So keep in mind this is for my Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2 - Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional
I have noticed not alot of love for the CDMA Phones, and I'm also not sure what type of display my phone is.
I have seen like 4 or 5 different labels for the display types and wondered which mine was.
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You're in the wrong forum, this particular one is for the GSM TP2. For CDMA, you'll find a separate sub-forum. But perhaps the best place for CDMA TP2s is ppcgeeks.com

windows mobile 6.5 professinal
processor: msm7600-528mhz
memory: 185.43mb
expansion slot: in use 8gig
Boost
boost software license version 1.0
freeimage
lua
luabind
opengl
stlport 5.0
rapidxml
simplified wrapper and interface generator (swig)
bstring
OS version 5.2.21889
Manila version 2.5.20121324.1
rom version 2.04.651.4
rom dat 3-6-10
radio version 2.32.00wf
hardware version 0004
prl version 60670
pri version 2.20_003
browser version 6.0
eri version 0
cpu qualcomm(r) 7600
speed 528mhz
ram size 288mb
flash memory size 512mb
data bus 32 bits
storage size 192.93
display resolution 480x800 from htc wvga screen
colors 65536
that is all the info i could find directly on the phone but not sure what i'm suppose to look up on my phone on google
as far as keeping up in general yeah its not hard. but keeping up in depth is another story. like the programing behind the phone, programing behind the computer, what is the latest and greatest in home and car audio, playing all the lastest games, exc.
I mean i can build a computer, install home and car audio, i know i can install apps and install this stuff in time with enough reading, and i keep up with enough gaming for me lol
I just can't keep up in the detail that i want to keep up with and be able to do
i figured there was a reason why the better stuff was a rom flash just wondering why
now when were talking about flashing the rom. are we talking like flashing firmware or bios. or we just saying uploading data into the machine in one large load. and does this flashing also replace the windows os or is that left alone?
oh i'm still going to make a mock setup using my paint.net lol
i'm very sure i will design something that will catch peoples eyes and make them want to make it
I have done that plenty for game mods, some windows stuff, and other things along the way
oh i have been searching google for the past couple weeks and how i came across this site. but mainly was finding little apps were some work and some didn't. but didn't give me the final product i was looking for
and yeah i'm on a few different forms for my game and other stuff so i know how they go. just sucks to see 100s of pages of stuff cause its like a needle in a hay stack sometimes or the person description or wording is not clear for every person
steviewevie said:
You're in the wrong forum, this particular one is for the GSM TP2. For CDMA, you'll find a separate sub-forum. But perhaps the best place for CDMA TP2s is ppcgeeks.com
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and sorry i thought i double checked and didn't see any direct labels for that plus that I saw a few post in here for both gsm and cdma phones, i did see the fully seperate section for the cdma phones but i saw a decent number of people did make for both in here and figured i might get a bigger audience here.
but thanks for the link to the other place i will check there as well
but so far this place has caught my eye the most
so are you stating that i should close this thread and start a new one in the cdma section or am i within reason for keeping this going for a little longer till i'm ready to post my mock in the cdma section instead of here?

oh yeah and how do i figure out if my phone is cdma or gsm
cause i saw in a post that sprint uses both

allusion said:
oh yeah and how do i figure out if my phone is cdma or gsm
cause i saw in a post that sprint uses both
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Yeah the CDMA phones can use both CDMA and GSM. But the important thing is that you need to use CDMA ROMs and CDMA radios. If you flash a GSM ROM by mistake then the phone won't boot, but you can easily flash a CDMA ROM.
However, if you flash a GSM radio by mistake onto a CDMA phone, then you *will* brick it, and there's no way back !
The best way to tell is to check the model number of your phone, under the battery. It will be "RHODxxx", where the "xxx" is three digits. Yours will be RHOD400 or RHOD500, which are the CDMA phones. The GSM ones are RHOD100/200/300 (and variants thereof, e.g. 310).

steviewevie said:
Yeah the CDMA phones can use both CDMA and GSM. But the important thing is that you need to use CDMA ROMs and CDMA radios. If you flash a GSM ROM by mistake then the phone won't boot, but you can easily flash a CDMA ROM.
However, if you flash a GSM radio by mistake onto a CDMA phone, then you *will* brick it, and there's no way back !
The best way to tell is to check the model number of your phone, under the battery. It will be "RHODxxx", where the "xxx" is three digits. Yours will be RHOD400 or RHOD500, which are the CDMA phones. The GSM ones are RHOD100/200/300 (and variants thereof, e.g. 310).
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so yeah my phone is a cdma phone from what your saying there since mine is a rhod400
and great now i got to figure out what the difference is between cdma roms and cdma radios
do i even need to bother with radios or no?
lol you learn one thing and then you find out you still need to learn 10 more things
got to love the spiral effect, stuff slides down hill, never ending loop, or whatever you want to call it, lol

allusion said:
so yeah my phone is a cdma phone from what your saying there since mine is a rhod400
and great now i got to figure out what the difference is between cdma roms and cdma radios
do i even need to bother with radios or no?
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ROMs are the main things running your phone, the operating system and software to operate the main functions.
The radio is the firmware (which also sits in your ROM) which controls the actual radio transmitting/receiving functions - i.e. talking to the cell towers, talking to GPS satellites and (possibly ? can't remember for sure) the Wi-Fi.
So with an updated radio you can sometimes find better reception/battery life/GPS lock. It's easy to experiment flashing different radios because you don't have to backup/restore stuff like you do with ROMs.
Just make sure you flash a CDMA radio to your CDMA phone though, not a GSM one !

alright so basicly i got a bit of research infront of me before i even dare to make any major changes to my phone. blah
how often do people package both the rom and radio together?
and since this is windows, and your saying when you flash the phone it replaces everything, how does microsoft track the os out there or do they not use the os serial key on the phones like they do on the computers?
so in saying this as well i half to make sure whatever rom i do decide to flash to my phone i half to make sure its to a touch pro 2 or i will have problems. if i'm understanding this correctly
i wonder how hard it will be to find guides with alot of pictures?
i never seem to follow just text very well
i have noticed for some of the general things i have picked up from here they had very nice pictorial guides to help me lol
but for the rom back up and flashing i'm noticing pages of pages of text and not much in pictures lol, damn visual bases in learning

If my personal experience is anything to go by, people tend to flash the ROM more often than the radio, because the ROM changes more often, assuming it's a custom/cooked ROM. People tend to stick with a radio which works well for them, when they've compared a few - then if a new one ever comes out it's easy to flash that and see if it's better or worse (or just the same).
MS don't track the OS install like they do with a PC, there's no activation as such. Custom ROMs are often running leaked ROMs from MS anyway, rather than official releases.
When you flash you need to make sure it is for a CDMA TP2, not just for a TP2. Because if you flash GSM stuff by mistake then Bad Things may well happen (which you might be able to recover from, or might just destroy your phone).

any reason people used just the leak roms besides getting an early start
i mean do they ever replace it with a legal version
i'm not a big fan on stolen software. stolen software is part of the reason why items have higher prices, granted most of the price is cause of the manufacturer, but thieves don't help the price lol
now free software is another story that is all good lol

allusion said:
any reason people used just the leak roms besides getting an early start
i mean do they ever replace it with a legal version
i'm not a big fan on stolen software. stolen software is part of the reason why items have higher prices, granted most of the price is cause of the manufacturer, but thieves don't help the price lol
now free software is another story that is all good lol
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If people own the device for which the ROM is intended, then I don't consider it stolen; it is intended for that device, and will be released for that device.
Personally, however, I do not install "leaked" ROMs; they are in development.

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If people own the device for which the ROM is intended, then I don't consider it stolen; it is intended for that device, and will be released for that device.
Personally, however, I do not install "leaked" ROMs; they are in development.
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Just out of interest, how does that fit with running a ROM based on 24631 (leaked and will never be released for the TP2)?

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Personally, however, I do not install "leaked" ROMs; they are in development.
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Which leaked ROMs are you referring to ? Because in the past, when ROMs such as T-Mobile and AT&T ones have been leaked, they have actually been the finished article (as proved by comparison with the final published product), just not officially released as yet, hence not actually under further development.

Lagfix and longterm consequences

What are the lagfixes longterm consequences? I've herd some unsettling things about it...ranging from bricked phone to catching on fire and exploding,
Now I'm asking since I'm planing to get this or the desireHd and frankly sacred the crap outta me.And since theres like a 80% chance I'm gonna have the lag if I buy it I have to know what are the risks , is it like the regular danger of rooting or something much worse?
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I no longer would recommend the i9000m to people just to many Force Close problems. The phone is unreliable because of the Force Close errors. I was locked out side waited for my phone to boot so I could check a friends buzzer code. I had to put my phone in recovery mode and do a factory reset and lose all my un-backed up personal data on the note pad. That was a big Epic Fail moment for my phone. As much as I hate apple and Itunes at least it works when i needed my Iphone.

Lol, it won't make it catch on fire. If anything it might brick your phone, which wouldn't be a severe brick, easy to recover from using Odin. I reckon the chances of anything going wrong are really low.

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I no longer would recommend the i9000m to people just to many Force Close problems.
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Must be something screwed up on your phone because I get no force close errors.
I don't believe there's any real harm using a lagfix. All it does is use a different filesystem, which is actually proven, fast, and reliable, unlike Samsung's own RFS system which seems to be pure crap.
I'm using z4mod. So far is seems reliable and performance is amazing
LOL at "catching on fire and exploding". Whoever you heard that from should lose all credibility if they were serious when saying that

Generally it shouldn't do any HW damage, i.e. NAND wear down, since RFS (as it was mentioned) is pure crap, based on FAT as rumor has it. I believe that each lagFix that uses variations of ext fs will in fact span NAND life.
As for catching fire, etc. This happens on other devices also and more faulty hardware rather than OS problem, so installing lag fix has in my opinion only advantages.
(Well and a hindrance since if you change firmwares often the you need to uninstall the lag fix).

That took a load of mind ...kinda
Hey did you guys ever do a poll how much people are satisfied(or not) with sgs/lag/gps/general problems?
Like I said I want to buy this (samoled FTW) but I'm concerned about all these problems.
If you go to the hero forum lots of people are reporting a craploads of problems which I never had (seriously haven't had an issue since I bought it )
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Just read some spanish forum about how the phone currupts every 4 or so weeks is that true? Imean i dont wanna have to restore every month.
I can just imagine my wife saying: Whatchu doin hunny? Ahh nothing dear, its just that day of the month i have to restore my phone XDD

calexus1182 said:
That took a load of mind ...kinda
Hey did you guys ever do a poll how much people are satisfied(or not) with sgs/lag/gps/general problems?
Like I said I want to buy this (samoled FTW) but I'm concerned about all these problems.
If you go to the hero forum lots of people are reporting a craploads of problems which I never had (seriously haven't had an issue since I bought it )
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Maybe not polled as to say, but if you take in consideration that 5 millions+ units where sold, it's not that big of a number. Frankly, I think the "Plus" outwieght the "cons" largely.
Just don't get it "used" and be sure you can exchange / service it if needed, kinda sucks that you'd spend hundreds without any safe net! But that goes for about anything!

True but still...
And is it 5million excluding the fascinate/captivate/epic variants?
I don't like to buy used , in my experience there's always something the seller isn't telling and will comeback to bite you on the ass.
But about my previous question...is the vodoo fix harmful and is the thing about it corrupting data true?
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