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[SOLVED] once rooted always rooted?

First of all forgive me if this question as been asked a million times but to be honest I'm finding the Dream section a mess.
Now onto my question.... I've rooted my G1 and I'm currently running JF 1.51 with hero skin, now I'm I correct that I will always be rooted as long as I stick to custom roms?
The other thing is when I go into recovery mode I get a message at the top of the screen something like "Unable to find /system/command/recovery.cmd" am I correct that means I'm unable to proform backups? which is no big deal for me.
Finally whats the deal with this new spl, do I really need it to run a hero ported rom? I only ask because in all my years flashing windows phones the spl is something you should flash once and leave alone to avoid errors that can brick your phone.

Yes you will always be rooted. Not really sure on the recovery thing...You might want to try to fix that by flashing another recovery image. Yes you need the new spl to run the hero ROM since its HUGE

alritewhadeva said:
Yes you will always be rooted. Not really sure on the recovery thing...You might want to try to fix that by flashing another recovery image. Yes you need the new spl to run the hero ROM since its HUGE
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Thanks for the fast reply, as for the recovery thing like I said I would never back anything up and restore it anyway (I've always started afresh with every new rom)
Now going back to the spl thing.... Ive already updated my radio to the latest so when I do finally go for a hero rom and do flash my spl is the new spl a custom one which will allow me to reflash back down to a non-hero rom? or do I have to go back to the orginal hardspl first?

The new SPL was released by haykuro and it allows you to have about 30 more mb of space on your system partition. It still allows you to flash non-hero ROMs as well as hero ROMs. Sorry for the slow response >.>

Thanks alritewhadeva everything is clearer now.

[Q] Few ROM and SPL Questions

I've got a few questions, hope no one minds answering. If it's a simple case of RTFM then lock the thread and trash.
1. I've rooted and am using the latest JF build but when I go to telnet I can't connect to localhost anymore. Is this normal?
2. I'm running stock SPL and Radio (not too sure what the radio is btw). Is it best I update before flashing anymore roms?
3. I'm wanting to flash to Cyanogen Mod rom, it looks a lot more complex than simply renaming the rom to update.zip then flashing. Is it safe to assume that there is a lot more work to do? (if so a general point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated).
I really appreciate any help.
Thanks

1. I'm not sure as it has been some time since I last used JF's build I'm afriad...
2. Its advisable at the very least to upgrade your radio (look at my signature for a link). You can upgrade your SPL too providing you have flashed the latest radio FIRST and that you are on a PVT motherboard.
Boot into the SPL to find that out (turn off/reboot the mobile, Hold CAMERA+POWER). It should say at the top.
3. To use Cyanogen's ROM its like flashing any other ROM. Just make sure you have the latest Radio FIRST. Also I believe it works fine for non Apps2SD users so no need to partition your SD card etc to use it.
Hope that helps.

Stock SPL? do you mean HARDSpL?

alritewhadeva said:
Stock SPL? do you mean HARDSpL?
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Unless it was updated while rooting it's probably "G1 Original SPL"
Thanks NeoBlade, I'll update the radio and spl tomorrow then probably try and get nandroid running so I've got a backup in case anything goes wrong.

No worries digital, just do your usual pre-checks before flashing the SPL and remember Radio first ^_-
You'll enjoy the new features and performance improvements using the latest cooked ROMs out there. Most of the info is in my signature but you can also flash the new Recovery image too by Cyanogen (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523558).
Not only can you create a Nandroid backup from there, you can also restore it too all from your mobile ^_^

Not to be an @ssh*le, but if you root your phone don't you already have the HardSPL? If you follow Koush's guide you were told to flash the HardSPL which isn't the stock SPL at all. Care to shed some light on this?

He could have had the engineering SPL, I remember having that briefly myself in the early days. The main thing is that he just wants to run Cyanogen's ROM so as long as he updates the radio and flashes the ROM without issues it should be fine. Unlike some Hero ROMs it doesn't require the latest SPL to create space for the ROM.
Granted though, its often always nice to have the latest stuff ^_-

Ok well if you DECIDE to update to the latest radio and SPL just go to my guide below and go to the second post. That will tell you how to install the radio and spl updates!
Good luck!

Indeed ^_^ And once that's done, perhaps change the title to SOLVED so people know. We shall have to wait for digital to get back to us about it.

This is the guide I used:
http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?page_id=35
Sorry alritewhadeva:
I'm on the HardSPL so I guess I don't need to bother updating that again. I didn't get to the point where it said to update to the newest radio.
Reading a bit further it also says that I can do a backup easily using adb which is already setup. At some point in the process it must have installed the things needed for nandroid backup. I think it was the recovery.img part.
Thanks for the great link Nephron, I used it before to setup adb on my netbook (running win7 on my main machine).
Before I flash the latest radio is it safe to do this *after* updating the spl?
Thanks for all the great help, I really appreciate it.

As a thumb of rule, always flash the radio first before the SPL and the ROM.
Tell us how it goes ^_^ If you've managedto do it, could you please edit the title then to add SOLVED? Good luck.

Soo do you have to flash the radio and SPL everytime you want to flash a rom??? i already have the latest radio, i just want to make sure i dont make a mistake

Tr1n1Jay said:
Soo do you have to flash the radio and SPL everytime you want to flash a rom??? i already have the latest radio, i just want to make sure i dont make a mistake
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No you don't. Only once... then kind of keep an eye on the forum to see if better radio or SPL comes along. So far I had to update my radio once. What recovery image do you have (home+power), is it still JF1.43? You should update that to CM 1.4, you get a lot more flexibility with that... read up on it in development forum. All in all, unless you plan to install Hero anytime soon (and I personally don't recommend it, too slow and buggy) you should be good with (in that very order)
1. Flashing newest RADIO (Haykuro has it in the link you provided, only need to do it once and you already did it!)
2. Flashing HardSPL (you already did that too! no need to do it again)
2. Updating your Recovery Image (once more, this only needs to be done once)
After that - flash any rom you feel like at any time you feel like doing it.
Hope that helps, good luck!

I agree with everything borodin1 said. If you're on a 1.5 ROM you really should have the new radio already, but you can always go back and flash it. Afterwards you'll want hard SPL or haykuro's. Haykuro's is what you'll need for most HTC based ROMs (Hero, Rogers). Most people brick when flashing Haykuro's ROM because they don't read. Aslong as you have the new radio and a PVT phone (go to the bootloader - home + camera - and it should say PVT) you will be fine.

1 Click Rooting...

Ok I've done the 1 Click Root process. The problem is, I totally UNrooted my phone before I did the 1 click root. I tried to load a Hero rom I got off the www.theunlockr.com website but I had to update the SPL which bricked my phone. I did wipe first so thats not the problem. I don't know what went wrong when I bricked my phone. I am getting a new from t-mobile(I kinda told them the donut 1.6 update screwed my phone up).
Now I want to root again with the 1 click but do I need to go back to the original build RC29 build or whatever it was in order to root with the 1 click ? And when I flash to a new rom do I need to update the SPL again?

READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar

nickryan0612 said:
READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar
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The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.

if you use the DREAIMG.nbh to go back to rc-29, it is really easier to use the telnet commands then it is to root with the one click imo, you can use one-click root, but you have to find the newer version of the recovery flasher, and if you use it and don't flash a custom rom, then the system will overwrite the custom recovery image with the stock one. if you use the telnet commands then you will overwrite the stock recovery image with a custom one, so the telnet commands are more stable
to update your spl, make sure you have a pvt board in bootloader (camera and power) and that your radio is 2.22.19.26I (make sure you have that radio, not just assume after you flash it) then you can get rid of all the user error in flashing the 1.33.2005 SPL.

xOneSainTx said:
The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.
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Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this

is one click still ok ?
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...

nPHILLY said:
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...
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one click will not work in donut 1.6. it will be patched, there is a thorough guide in my sig. i also have links i can give you for cm 4.0.4 and 4.1.11.1 if you want them.

1-click root only works with CRC1 and lower. Personally, I prefer to downgrade to RC29 and manually root it. I've done it about 20 times that way and have never once had an issue. In fact, I did it last night and today that way and both phones are rooted with Hero ROMs and running perfectly.
My advice, find a good tutorial (there are plenty, particularly the stickies on XDA on the subject) and download all necessary files ahead of time so that you aren't stuck in the middle of rooting looking for a file. If you want to flash the update "Danger" SPL, there is a combination radio/spl so that bricking is less likely. Search XDA for it. Also, check if you have PVT board first (camera+power). If not, brick it you will (or more than likely will). If I had to guess the main reason for problems and bricks it is that people rush the process and skip steps because they started the process without reading the whole tutorial.

nickryan0612 said:
Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this
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I was rooted before I did the one click but I downgraded to RC29 with DREAIMG.nbh file. I did the 1 click process fine. I figured that what fxcked up my phone is that i flashed the custom SPL before I flashed the new radio first. I'm pretty sure thats what messed it up. I wanted to the Amon Ra's Recovery image and I didn't know how install that with out doing the 1 click root process.

ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?

lucky 69 said:
ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?
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No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?

xOneSainTx said:
No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?
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no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl

nickryan0612 said:
no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl
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Sounds good. Before screwing things up I always had good success in flashing roms trying multiple roms in a day. My favorite is the xRom. I am curious to see if eventually there will be a Cliq rom.

Upgrading to Haykuro SPL

I am looking into upgrading to the Haykuro SPL since it works for all ROMs and the HardSPL doesn't work for all ROMs, but I am worried about bricking. According to what I've read, and on Haykuro's website, I need to
1. Flash Latest Radio
2. Flash Special SPL
I've already flashed the new radio, do I need to do it again then flash the SPL back to back, or am I OK since I already have the radio.
I just want to do it right so I don't brick.
Thanks.

which radio did you flash? htc or haykuro?
you should flash the haykuro radio again just to be safe, but it doesnt have to be back to back as long as you have the haykuro radio. Make sure its the 26I radio by booting into the spl

that's the one 26I, but I made do it again just to make sure. Will not hurt huh? Thanks

raptoro07 said:
that's the one 26I, but I made do it again just to make sure. Will not hurt huh? Thanks
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Flash it again if you wan't, personally I wouldn't. No reason to, and every time you flash the Radio or SPL, whether you meet the requirements or not there's always a tiny, minute chance something could go wrong.
As long as you have the 26i radio, you'll be fine.
If you're using cyans recovery make sure you flash it using alt-s then reboot using home+back. Do NOT touch the trackball, if you don't use alt-s, home+back it will not be flashed correctly. It won't brick, it just simply won't install.
Good luck, you'll be fine. I spent over an hour flashing Danger because I was sh*ting myself worrying about bricking, but it went fine
Afterwards you wont we able to boot the phone because the nand has been formatted and partitioned. If you boot in to recovery and type 'ums_enable' you will be able to copy a rom to your SD card, then 'ums_disable' to unmount.
That alt-s, home+back thingmajig only applies for radios and SPLs, nothing else.

Well the reason i told him to flash the radio again is because some people are actually bricking when using the stock 26I radio. IDK if its cause they are noob or because there is some problem with it, so its safer to reflash.

Hey Dookie (NCSU here), are you just dying to flash a hero rom or something? I'm not certain if it is true, but I read if you flash the Danger SPL, you may be stuck with that one and not be able to flash another.
I'd be cautious, hero is not worth being stuck with that SPL or a brick in my opinion.

you can revert the SPL, nothing is keeping it tied it on there

Radio and SPL questions

so after many many Cyanogen releases, my phone is not as responsive as it once was. I am wondering if I should wipe and reflash the devphone ota update then cyanogens and if I do will it brick my phone? I have the 22i radio and the "Danger" spl. From what i remember, the ota update writes the radio. It is the 22i one, but with it rewriting it will it brick my phone when it does?
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should i just do a wipe and reflash just cyanogens?

you mean you have the 26I radio...
Are you talking about the HTC recovery ota that you flash first before you flash before Cyanogen's?
That is basically what HTC refers to as an update.zip
If it does flash over the radio, which I don't think it does, it already is the 26I radio, so it won't hurt anything.
But I have flashed over Cyanogen several times using the same process, and it has not bricked my phone. You will have no problems either.

Yes sorry, the 26I, and i am talking about the update.zip that you flash before Cyanogen's. I thought I was ok, i just wanted to check that rewriting the radio, even if it is the same wouldn't brick the phone

This may be the wrong thread but I'm hoping I can get some help. I'm running dwang 1.17.1 with a 26I radio. Can I flash the haykuro "danger" "death" spl? I want it because some themes require it. I have the correct board "PVT" when I look in fastboot, I'm just wondering since I have the ram hack if this will brick my phone or not. Noob question, I lnow. TIA. Ill post this else where if needed... ill watch family guy till then

you have the radio that you need to flash over the spl.
the ram hack has nothing to do with the spl. it is only for that rom. for example, if you have cyanogen 4.2.11.1 and you upgrade to 4.2.12.2, the ram hack goes away. It's part of the boot.img.
You can flash the danger spl, but be warned, even if you have everything right, there is still a possibility that something could go haywire and it could brick your phone.
afterwards, you will have to reflash a rom once the spl successfully installs.
Good luck.

Thanks taz. Ill try it out