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FROYO update still pending

hi guy's
just resieved word on the FROYO update on facebook
James King ( Motorola Marketing Director)
made this comment:
For those that are still unclear from the above answers, the froyo/Milestone decision is pending, and that all recent views of the community were collated as part of that decision making process. Please await this outcome, and we can then go from there.
so please make your comments on there facebook page
facebook find motorola europe
but there is still a litle hope
german custommer Q:
hello! i bought the milestone (in austria) because i wanted a reliable open source phone without an apple logo.
BUT:
1. why do you say that the updates aren't like "a walk in the park"?
of course its much work and the quality check of the company even more. but the last updates were only small bugfixes (exept 2.1) and only one programmer of the community would have done that faster and mor reliable.
... Lees verder
2.the milestone (and the droid) was more or less the rescue for motorola. why do you try to destroy this success by scaring the new won community so off? is it only greed?
i hope not...
3.i know we said that a lot of times... but is there a chance if froyo won't find to the milestone by motorola, the BL get's free so that the community could make the work for you?
i know this is a crazy idea but maybe you could work together with some of the community programmers! they are really smart and get hardly any donates.
this idea is of course blue-eyed but maybe it would help and save money if you just ask one of them if they make a prot for you and you could "port" it to an official release.
i believe in you motorola! but without this update you lost a customer forever... and i am not the only one!
James King A:
‎@Patrick Senscheid... 1) they are different and slightly under different conditions given one is one country and one operator and the other multitude of countries and operators/variants...so takes longer to get through 2) Would love to know the 20 phones in a month we have released in europe 3) fair question, and one I'm pushing for. Thanks JK

jodepro said:
hi guy's
just resieved word on the FROYO update on facebook
James King ( Motorola Marketing Director)
made this comment:
For those that are still unclear from the above answers, the froyo/Milestone decision is pending, and that all recent views of the community were collated as part of that decision making process. Please await this outcome, and we can then go from there.
so please make your comments on there facebook page
facebook find motorola europe
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Dont know what they are waiting for. Many users want the update, i hope thats not the same thing like the HTC do New phone, No updates to the old phone....

I am hoping for an update too. In 2.2 some cool features that I want were added.

jodepro said:
hi guy's
just resieved word on the FROYO update on facebook
James King ( Motorola Marketing Director)
made this comment:
For those that are still unclear from the above answers, the froyo/Milestone decision is pending, and that all recent views of the community were collated as part of that decision making process. Please await this outcome, and we can then go from there.
so please make your comments on there facebook page
facebook find motorola europe
but there is still a litle hope
german custommer Q:
hello! i bought the milestone (in austria) because i wanted a reliable open source phone without an apple logo.
BUT:
1. why do you say that the updates aren't like "a walk in the park"?
of course its much work and the quality check of the company even more. but the last updates were only small bugfixes (exept 2.1) and only one programmer of the community would have done that faster and mor reliable.
... Lees verder
2.the milestone (and the droid) was more or less the rescue for motorola. why do you try to destroy this success by scaring the new won community so off? is it only greed?
i hope not...
3.i know we said that a lot of times... but is there a chance if froyo won't find to the milestone by motorola, the BL get's free so that the community could make the work for you?
i know this is a crazy idea but maybe you could work together with some of the community programmers! they are really smart and get hardly any donates.
this idea is of course blue-eyed but maybe it would help and save money if you just ask one of them if they make a prot for you and you could "port" it to an official release.
i believe in you motorola! but without this update you lost a customer forever... and i am not the only one!
James King A:
‎@Patrick Senscheid... 1) they are different and slightly under different conditions given one is one country and one operator and the other multitude of countries and operators/variants...so takes longer to get through 2) Would love to know the 20 phones in a month we have released in europe 3) fair question, and one I'm pushing for. Thanks JK
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can you post to us this Facebook link?

my take on the froyo milestone matter.
droid 2 is going to be released... with froyo.
motorola is probably looking to phase out the monetary responsibilities they have with the previous model. ie , move hired developers to work on new phone to save money.
They most likely want to focus their attention on droid 2, as they probably spend more money pushing a newer device. This way, they get more money.
And while pushing a newer device, they don't let a older's success distract customers and cause them to lose a profit on the newer device.
They need to market the newer device more than the older device (milestone) because they need to stay competitive.

The Droid 2 can't replace the Milestone, only the droid. (CDMA) But the Droid will get Froyo.

ClausG76 said:
The Droid 2 can't replace the Milestone, only the droid. (CDMA) But the Droid will get Froyo.
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If Droid gets Froyo, Milestone should get it too. TechSpec for both is not much different, except radio-band and some minor things.
The fact is Froyo Update is given only to few models. I think before coming to conclusion and loosing hope, we should wait for some time. Anyways its not even a year passed to launch of Milestone.
If you people think its too late, then it will also be a good idea to file a petition against Motorola for advertising Milestone as "Flash-ready" and later revoking the feature.
Anyone know how to file a petition?

They still not finishing rolling 2.1 update -2 yet. I think I am gonna move to another android device. Good Luck you guys hope Froyo gets to the milestone

I think im going to move as well. This is the last time I buy anything from Motorola. Ive had plenty of issues and only now, after the last update have most of them been solved. I still find the phone to be extremely sluggish at times and this kills the experience for me.

Even after the updates there are still some bugs on my Milestone...
Random Reboots and it cant access the SD sometimes...
Hope Motorola releases 2.2 and fast!

US Milestones are getting Froyo update tomorrow ...

Well the step child of motorola, the milestone, still has no updates....I am never going to buy another Moto product again.

I downloaded the OTA Froyo update (FRG01B) and installed it manually.
Android 2.2 @ 600mhz (stock)
-> BaseBand - C_01.43.01P
-> Kernel - 2.6.32.9-g103d848 <> [email protected] #1
-> Build - FRG01B

So the droid update works for the milestone. http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...yo-ota-is-now-live-download-yours-now-frg01b/

In my opinion it shouldn't be too difficult for Motorola Europe to take the US Droid FroYo and just sign the boot image (and make it support MultiTouch and stuff)...let's keep the fingers crossed...
P.S.: I don't understand why some of you say that they never will buy Motorola again - I think with the 2.1 release it's pretty much stable...except if the CPU is overclocked..it runs normally for a period of time and then it presents some bugs that only a restart can fix...mh...

Motorola MILESTONE to finally get to taste Froyo, this September
gsmarena.com/motorola_milestone_to_finally_get_to_taste_froyo_this_september-news-1856.php

RodNoc_eR said:
I downloaded the OTA Froyo update (FRG01B) and installed it manually.
Android 2.2 @ 600mhz (stock)
-> BaseBand - C_01.43.01P
-> Kernel - 2.6.32.9-g103d848 <> [email protected] #1
-> Build - FRG01B
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Yeah, cool. But you seems to live in the US so I think that you have a Droid instead of a Milestone.
As said on other threads and websites, this update doesn't work for the Milestone. We'll have to wait some weeks...

Froyo update on Milestone will be next September
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Buy now or wait???

My upgrade is coming up in January but i want the Vibrant so badly that i think imma treat myself and pay full price for it, coz my current phone (omnia 2) is a so ****ty.
But reading all these lag/gps threads has put some second thoughts in my head and thinking of holding off and just upgrading in January and save a bit of cash as well or maybe even the torch.
What are your thoughts wait it out and see if samsung fixes the issues and not be out $500 or its worth buying now because the lag fixes fix everything and gps is not so bad?

if you need a new phone now, buy it
the problems you read are exaggerated as usual.
been using it for over a month using stock ROMs every feature works and no lags
GPS is a must thing for me, and it works as soon as i turn it on within 5~10sec
if you don't need a phone now
then wait for better phones coming out next year

well i don't want another phone and i think the vibrant is very nice better then my freezing and laggy omnia.

Get the vibrant now and save your upgrade for the next best thing next year. At $520 tax in its a steal now that you can unlock it for free.

My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.

andrewluecke said:
My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?

jebise101 said:
thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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Any of the new HTC phones, including the Desire HD. They admittedly have the now infamous 1Ghz snapdragon but theres a good possibility they are paired with an Adreno 205 (which has a graphics chipset based on Power VR SGX 535). That would give the HTC phones equal performance considering froyo + will be better optimised for snapdragon processors.
Graphics performance is not as good as the galaxy s chipset but good enough.
HTC's in general I've found are better built but now were encroaching on personal preference territory. This may be simply because HTC have had more time to perfect android or just Ive had a more solid experience with HTC android phones.
rest assured there will be a whole flood of non-samsung androids come christmas so perhaps hold off till end of September and pick the best price/feature phone at that time. More exciting is the prospect of google tv, greater adoption and connection of android devices.
p.s. theres also windows mobile and its host of offerings.

In regards to Windows Mobile, unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have joined the party much too late (which is a pity actually). I don't believe WM7 will survive, because Blackberry owns the corporate market, Apple owns the home market, Symbian/custom OS's owns the cheaper smartphone market and Android owns the technical market (although, it is now accelerating it's growth).
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
Yep, and the Nexus One wasn't perfect either:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html . Remember that? And now, people LOVE the nexus one.
The main issue seems to be GPS though on this phone, as people who oppose the lag found switching to EXT fixes their issue.. But GPS, there was no known solution. So whilst there may be similar phones released in september, I forgot to mention you should either wait to see what GPS does, or wait a while before grabbing another phone (because they might have other serious issues on release).
But be cautious about claims made in forums, and wait until you see proof (even here). One idiot who owned a Sony Ericson blog claimed with authority that this phone definitely had 360MB RAM (rather than the full 512), I see people constantly grab quadrant and take note of every 0.5%-1% increase in score they see and try to correlate them to speed of the ROM (because 1% increase in quadrant would be visibly noticeable?) and I've seen people claim that because NMEA sends dodgy packets, the problem is DEFINITELY hardware, without checking if the drivers, or the device is sending them.
Make sure you wait for sufficient evidence. If the GPS DOES get fixed though, and tracking software consistently shows accurate tracks (when sitting down and moving), I'd personally recommend selecting this phone, because unlike the current competing devices, it has good hardware (even a proper multitouch controller), and we mostly know it's problems and limitations now.

andrewluecke said:
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
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Even the HTC Desired have (had) the problem with the proximity sensor, good thing our great team at XDA made a hack to fix that.
unfortunately or fortunately depending how you look at it, iphone people are not as free to do as they please with their phones.
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Buy it
This Phone is SWEET.
sending a playlist to my windows 7 computer, which connects to my stereo with an outdoor speaker, while sitting outside drinking wine and smoking a cigar. Priceless.
This phone Rocks. buy one, hell buy two lol.

I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.

Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?

andrewluecke said:
Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Not in public please!
OP - Mine was delivered yesterday - I'd say buy one. It's awesome!

I'd definitely recommend waiting, but not because of the lag/gps ; Gingerbread should allow for some awesome phones come this holiday season(mainly phones with a higher res).

azgull said:
I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
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Also figured I'd mention that coming from AMOLED; I don't think I'd able to downgrade that. The washed out blacks are so dreadful. Super AMOLED promising even better contrasts (and actually working in sunlight) can only be a winner. I did consider waiting for Desire HD, but choose not to, purely because of the screen.

What do you guys think are the chances of i9000 getting gingerbread ???
Samsung said official 2.2 will be around september, and 3.0 will be launched around mid-october , so maybe we will have 3.0 for i9000 around february
Desire HD will launch around mid-september , it will come with 2.2, and will probably get 3.0 in december - january

Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while

andrewluecke said:
Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.

Toss3 said:
StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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Did Google say that, or was it rumored

Hi there,
i have my Galaxy S for about 2 Weeks and i am happy with it.
The Display is very clear (even with an lower resolution than the IP4).
No jailbreaking or something else to get some stuff working on this nice phone.
Nice functions and a good UI.
Great phone!
...only GPS sucks a little bit, but i hope this will be fixed
Greetings
DerRaven

Lost my patience with Android

Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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I just switched from Windows Phone ( HD7 ) to Galaxy Note. If you think the situation with updates looks any better on Windows Phone - you're wrong mate. Been waiting for Mango quite a long time - when it arrived, i had to flash a stock rom from other device cause they cut some features from it ( like internet sharing ) which are still oficially not there for some devices ( half a year later! ). There's next update Tango coming - which doesn't actually bring anything new except of low-end device support. And Apollo is scheduled for Q4 - and 1st gen devices "probably won't be getting it"
At least, with Android, you've got custom ROMs that get updated really quickly, big dev scene, the ability to install apps from all sources - and code/test/share your own apps without paying annual fee for having your phone dev-unlocked, and they don't cut features "just because there's a new device - so go buy it".
I love Windows Phone - as a regular phone. I kept waiting and waiting for changes - but the OS is still as locked down as it was in the beginning, no "not from market" apps, no drag-and-drop media, most of apps still dont support multitasking, cant even access your files, and apps from the market, believe me, are not that useful - that's why i moved away to Android.
I'd give it another thought mate - and about Note being laggy - try ICS AOSP rom, they run really smoothly.

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Good riddance, bro. Want some cheese with that whine?
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007shaolin said:
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Laggy as Hell ??? what the hell ? you want to take advantage of openness of Android and still u whinin? lots of custom rom already running smooth on Note...
i m using stock LC2 n its really smooth

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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I've never had any problems with Samsung's phones. The leaks provide enough of a base for us to get ICS working and Damn near perfect. I'm running an AOKP build with nearly Zero bugs and get almost 5-6 hours of SCREEN ON time per day with nearly 3 days of battery life with my usual texting and web surfing. Android is about being open, and as far as I'm concerned it is. Running ICS, I have had Zero lag, only one minor glitch (which is fixed in updated builds), better battery life than most of my friend's phones, a huge screen, and a OS that isn't crazy limited. If you change, it's obviously up to you, but I would go and test the many ICS roms out there like AOKP or ICStunner as they are simply amazing.
If you would rather have the WP7 then go for it. There's no point in us trying to convince you otherwise if you really have your mind set to it.

i was fan of android but the updates man o man do it 1 time in a month or so but every 2 a 3 day....update update....
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I got my device in december, and I've received 3 updates (maybe 4) since then. That's a lot of updates. I have no complaints. What you're whining about is not getting the absolute latest OS build right away. I'd much rather have Samsung pushing updates that make it a stable device than Samsung sending us crappy builds. That would defer me, and I'm sure many others who don't like to flash custom ROMs and such, to other devices. I believe Samsung is doing the correct thing and waiting until the ROM is properly developed.
Enjoy WM7. A lot of people seem to enjoy it! I was actually thinking about it, too, a while ago, but it kind of follows Apple's model of multitasking and that doesn't do it for me. Blackberry and Android are the OSs that offer true multitasking (webOS, too, but that seems to be dead in the eyes of HP/Palm lol).

The Note isn't laggy, Gingerbread is. ICS is silky smooth. Samsung needs to hurry up and get ICS on the Note because it shackles such a wonderful device. It's like Apple running the new iPad with iOS 3.0. Your phone is only as good as your software is, and Gingerbread is an antiquated POS.

I lose my patience on Android Market here in Finland, because it sucks compared to the USA Market and App Store.

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Sell your Note and get a Windows Phone is my advice. That way you'll be moaning in somebody else's forum instead of ours.
I've had WinMo, iPhone, Symbian and more recently Android and Google's contribution is by far the best.

SaneQ said:
I lose my patience on Android Market here in Finland, because it sucks compared to the USA Market and App Store.
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You can use market enabler and choose tmobile profile and then you can install every us app that you want. Restart and you will be using default provider flags again. So, there is no problem.
I am using lc1 stock rom, the best out there in my opinion, everything works and pretty fast too.
WP7 is no where near WM6.5 in terms of functionality and way behind Android, IOS too. Android is the best choose in terms of functionality and practicality from all the smartphone OSes out there.

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Honestly shaolin it's people like you that makes devs abandon XDA for whining about everything and everyone! Go.. get a windows phone and when you do and see how limited windows phone is DON'T COME BACK! Stay away from XDA and honestly i hope i can speak in the name of the whole community:
Don't ever come to this forum whining!
I won a Galaxy Note and honestly, i bought my SGS2 without ever had tried Android and i love the possibilities it brings me! The openess on developing!
I simply love it! Had my first chance on SGS2 and i will continue to use this awesome SO!
Please ask an admin to ban your account and go somewhere else!

Bye bye. Enjoy whatever phone you'll be getting. Just remember, it's just a phone at the end of the day.

Im not the only one
Funny! zdnet journalist have the same thought as I do. you can read it here. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/im-sick-to-death-of-android/20242
Even Galaxy Nexus have delay in updates.

007shaolin said:
Funny! zdnet journalist have the same thought as I do. you can read it here. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/im-sick-to-death-of-android/20242
Even Galaxy Nexus have delay in updates.
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I don't get folks like you. You actually purchase a phone for what it will be, as opposed to what it is.
Do you only live in the future? Don't forget the present mate.
If you're so unhappy with the lack of updates or the speed of updates, go get iOS and WP7. No one is grabbing you by the ball-sack to stay with Androids.
P.S. Requested to mods that this thread be moved to Android General as it has nothing to do with the Galaxy Note.

Actually I dont even want an update from Samsung any more,yesterday I recirved an update for the Samsung Apps after updating it stoped downloading applications alltogether!!,
"You cant download with this email from this country" bla ..bla..there was no way Icould fix that even after signing up for multiple new accounts.
If things will look like this I rather be left along with the GB.

Moved to teh OT forum as they will advice you better on what to do about your quandary
May the trolls have mercy on your soul mate.

You have a 1.4GHz dual core phone and Mali 400MP GPU and say it lags. My friend has a Wildfire that has a clock speed of 524MHz and no GPU and even he isn't complaining as much as you. Why don't you donate him your phone and make the good switch to Symbian S60?

what is even the point of this thread? It appears you looking to justify your feelings because you read an article and lack confidence to buy a new phone without a thread of people you don't know making a decision for you.
android is great

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Bad news! :(

Hey guys.
Motorola has confirmed that the DROID3 will not be receiving official ICS.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Look under the USA section and it lists the DROID3 under remaining on Android 2.3.
Place your "DAMN IT!!!" comments here.
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I'll post here again what I posted in the general section...
What happened to the Kexec port? One core at 1.2 would be a fair trade for a new kernel IMO.

I tried the ics build that overclocked to 1.2 and the speed was nice but it used the gummy build which in my opinion is eww..they should have used the straight cm9 or preferably aokp nightly and it would have been a better mod..I think we all knew in the back of our minds even thought we didn't want to believe it d3 would never officially see ics..all the d3 ever was is an quickrelease to generate cashflow to help fund the finishing for the d4, which in my opinion should have waited til d5 lol sadly I don't think we will see a d5 as a lot. Of the makers move away from a physical keyboard.. and due to what's involved I don't believe we will ever see a fully working,hw codec working ics build
Oh and DAMB IT!!!!!

Thanks for sharing.
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LaZiODROID said:
Thanks for sharing.
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Lmao..omg..this one rings true...

Then give us a way to unlock the bootloader. Period.
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Phibernaut said:
Then give us a way to unlock the bootloader. Period.
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Didn't you hear its not moto its verizon lol right...
They will unlock it if we find an alternative way for them to rape us

I'm not a fan of ICS to be honest, but we should have the option of royally screwing up our phones at our descretion. If Verizon were to unlock us it would just bring them more full price replacement phone sales as we brick.
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They can rape me more if they unlock bootloaders. That at least be using lube..
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Idk how u guys got onto raping... nor do I want to. Lmfao.
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droidian1441 said:
Idk how u guys got onto raping... nor do I want to. Lmfao.
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You started it lol

LaZiODROID said:
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That's how I feel ... time to rant on twitter... or facebook
We have to get the unlocked boot loader and source since they are not doing it for us any more... Motorola please . Consider releasing those.. give us our right to update our phone by ourselves
SENT FROM MY DROID 3 THAT FEELS OUTDATED BY THIS NEWS

That was clear since D4 was made available. They must be nuts to release software upgrade for D3 and cannibalize D4 sales.
Time to move on I guess.

leobg said:
That was clear since D4 was made available. They must be nuts to release software upgrade for D3 and cannibalize D4 sales.
Time to move on I guess.
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They can however release ICS one D4 sales have gone down a bit etc.

There's hope on the horizon
DoubleYouPee said:
They can however release ICS one D4 sales have gone down a bit etc.
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This came through last night maybe there is still hope, I don't buy the fact of Google leaving motorola separate that would just be bad business.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57437738-94/china-clears-google-motorola-merger-deal-to-close-within-days/

leobg said:
That was clear since D4 was made available. They must be nuts to release software upgrade for D3 and cannibalize D4 sales.
Time to move on I guess.
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I don't really think upgrading the D3 would cut too deeply into D4 sales, especially if they released ICS for us after they did for the D4. The D4 is a 4G phone, so anyone who wants 4G would go for a D4 over a D3. The D4 is also newer, so anyone looking to upgrade that's a tech freak who needs the latest and greatest hardware would go for it (though they might in reality go for other phones, we'll just assume they're limited to the D3 and D4 here ). They're not going to be making many D4 sales off of current D3 users because we're still on contract for a good deal of time (assuming we all upgraded and thus renewed our contracts when we got our D3. I know this doesn't apply to everyone), and buying an unsubsidized phone is crazy. By the time we're eligible for an upgrade, they'll have come out with an even better phone than the D4 and we'll be going after that, and that would be what they want. If they're afraid of losing people who want a cheaper phone that's still good, well, I think anyone tight on budget would give up a few features and go for the D3 anyways, or maybe even a cheaper phone, so they're not really losing anything there. Our phone is still relatively new, so there's no reason that we shouldn't be getting an ICS upgrade other than Moto devs being lazy and Verizon having an unfounded fear of a loss of sales on a newer phone.

GO GO Samsung !!!
Thats why so many people are switching to Samsung ! Its simple, Samsung bootloaders are unlocked or extremely easy to unlock.
Can you blame them?

D3 was really a mistake. It is D4 that Motorola should have released first place. I guess that's why they released it so soon after D3 - just to address all those shortcomings people bashed the phone for.
And they are trying to put it to the grave now. I wish I didn't waste money on mine, but oh well...

leobg said:
D3 was really a mistake. It is D4 that Motorola should have released first place. I guess that's why they released it so soon after D3 - just to address all those shortcomings people bashed the phone for.
And they are trying to put it to the grave now. I wish I didn't waste money on mine, but oh well...
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What? What shortcomings? The only one I can think off is 1GB RAM. The only real shortcoming is the screen and they didn't upgrade that on the droid 4. I just saw the HTC one X this weekend and my droid 3 looks like its 3 years old. Kinda like when you use see your old phones screen after you get a new one after 2 year contract.

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What? What shortcomings? The only one I can think off is 1GB RAM. The only real shortcoming is the screen and they didn't upgrade that on the droid 4. I just saw the HTC one X this weekend and my droid 3 looks like its 3 years old. Kinda like when you use see your old phones screen after you get a new one after 2 year contract.
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RAM and lack of much anticipated at the time LTE radio. They didn't have better screen at the time with acceptable battery drain and price. I suspect latter is the reason D4 didn't get Razr's screen.

Really the M8 before the turbo?

My fiances m8 got lollipop before the turbo. The reason I got this phone was this phone was supposed to get lollipop and the battery. I am so disappointed I will never get another Motorola phone.

sal_shawn said:
My fiances m8 got lollipop before the turbo. The reason I got this phone was this phone was supposed to get lollipop and the battery. I am so disappointed I will never get another Motorola phone.
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Ok.

sal_shawn said:
My fiances m8 got lollipop before the turbo. The reason I got this phone was this phone was supposed to get lollipop and the battery. I am so disappointed I will never get another Motorola phone.
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http://m.ebay.com/itm/like/171490729222?lpid=82&chn=ps&varId=470546673204
Problem solved! Mods feel free to lock this as it is now resolved!

Perfectly content to wait for bug free 5.1

Depends on what is important to you in a phone. I am always amazed to see people itching for the next update, etc, but honestly, if you always want the latest "greatest" (Personally, I cannot stand all the white in Lollipop), perhaps you will be disappointed in the Turbo. Perhaps once Vzw "approves" (like they have any power in that equation really) the update, it will be flawless, but i wouldnt hold my breath. As far as HTC goes, I can say I have never used an HTC phone with the same signal quality as its Moto counterpart. (Moto knows antennae/signal like no other) Also, If you read up on the Moto Maxx Lollipop update, it isn't too great. @adrenalyne can attest to that. Honestly, the real reason to be upset with a Turbo is the lack of bootloader unlock, as that would motivate Cyanogenmod to create a base that would translate to buttloads of Lollipop roms with the capability to return to stock KK Moto, am option you will not have once it updates as the keys do not allow reverting. Then, you would have the capability to experience it, realize it is not all its cracked up to be yet, and go happily back to where you are now. I know I went back to OSE KK happily from the best motox/droid ultra/maxx lollipop roms. the x8 architechture makes these newer moto phones amazing,(notice how Active Display does not kill your battery) but also has been the reason Lollipop has taken this long for those (msm8960dt) phones. Its hard to be patient, but I assure you, you aren't missing too much. and once you get lollipop, you will be stuck with it, for better or for worse.

zathus said:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/like/171490729222?lpid=82&chn=ps&varId=470546673204
Problem solved! Mods feel free to lock this as it is now resolved!
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Actually, no, that's a GSM phone. If they're using the Turbo, they're likely on Verizon.

Not Motos fault
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You act like this is even 1% motos fault and not Verizon (the biggest sticklers known to man.). If I remember right moto said awhile ago that the update had been delivered to VZW for inspection, but Verizon is so terrified that somebody might (gasp) root their phone that they hang onto it until they are pretty positive that there is no simple root method available

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You act like this is even 1% motos fault and not Verizon (the biggest sticklers known to man.). If I remember right moto said awhile ago that the update had been delivered to VZW for inspection, but Verizon is so terrified that somebody might (gasp) root their phone that they hang onto it until they are pretty positive that there is no simple root method available
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You got all that about me from word eh?
I am impressed!

Verizon is not necessarily to blame. They have approved update for the HTC and Samsung phones. I don't know why we haven't received the update. It seems people that have it aren't all that impressed and some are unhappy. Droid-Life days lollipop is a buggy mess. But I don't think we can blindly blame Verizon since they have approved it for other phones. That said... Don't buy a phone anticipating an update.
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The source code for Lollipop has been out over 4 months now. It's absolutely ridiculous that this phone does not have Lollipop yet. It has a near stock android version and a widely used chipset. Samsung, HTC, and LG have ALL updated their skinned versions of android already. I don't care who's fault it is - Verizon or Moto - all that matters is that somebody screwed up with this delay. If we had an unlocked bootloader, we would already have Lollipop thanks to unpaid devs. My old phone and tablet are both running Lollipop thanks to these devs I speak of. This is the last time I buy a phone with a fully locked down bootloader and no hope of root. I just couldn't resist that battery!

ahaynes42 said:
The source code for Lollipop has been out over 4 months now. It's absolutely ridiculous that this phone does not have Lollipop yet. It has a near stock android version and a widely used chipset. Samsung, HTC, and LG have ALL updated their skinned versions of android already. I don't care who's fault it is - Verizon or Moto - all that matters is that somebody screwed up with this delay. If we had an unlocked bootloader, we would already have Lollipop thanks to unpaid devs. My old phone and tablet are both running Lollipop thanks to these devs I speak of. This is the last time I buy a phone with a fully locked down bootloader and no hope of root. I just couldn't resist that battery!
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All the Roms are buggy as hell with some major issues from what I have read. The way I look at it is better to have a smooth os then the newest buggy os.
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bigv5150 said:
All the Roms are buggy as hell with some major issues from what I have read. The way I look at it is better to have a smooth os then the newest buggy os.
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The "it's still buggy" argument seems to be the general response when people like me are getting impatient. And while that does hold some truth, I think 5.0.2 has fixed most of the major issues. I'm running CM12 based on 5.0.2 on my Galaxy S4 and my Asus Tablet, and they both are running well now. There were some issues when the nightlies first came out, but 5.0.2 seems to be pretty stable now depending on what hardware you have.

https://plus.google.com/101651363550089117949/posts/UgxKuJxEEgo
Maybe good news? 5.1 for turbo? Maybe we get when nexus 6 is for sale at vzw?
I realize it could be untrue since it didn't come directly from moto or Verizon but interesting nonetheless.

Moral of the story? Buy a phone(or any product) for what it offers AT THAT TIME.

draco259 said:
Moral of the story? Buy a phone(or any product) for what it offers AT THAT TIME.
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Or you can believe an advertised feature of the device being "Upgradeable to Lollipop" as listed in the original press release for the Droid Turbo. (link) Moral of the story for me is not to trust OEMs when they make upgrade promises. Sure they didn't give a specific timeframe when they promised Lollipop for the Turbo, but 4+ months after official release of source code is a joke.

There isn't a phone on Verizon with Lollipop and VoLTE (Advanced Calling) so the DT is not behind yet.

Character Zero said:
There isn't a phone on Verizon with Lollipop and VoLTE (Advanced Calling) so the DT is not behind yet.
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Galaxy S5.

Character Zero said:
There isn't a phone on Verizon with Lollipop and VoLTE (Advanced Calling) so the DT is not behind yet.
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Are you sure? I think you are wrong.
Here's the Advanced Calling list for Verizon. LG G3 is on the list and several users got Lollipop from Verizon.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Several LG G3 users since February 23 have reported Lollipop update being available to them. NO, they were not part of soak test.
Verizon’s LG G3 Reported To Be In The Process of Getting Android 5.0.1 Lollipop Update
http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...ss-getting-android-5-0-1-lollipop-update.html
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Hmm ok I forgot about Galaxy S5. Didn't know LG G3 update ws avaialable to everyone.

Character Zero said:
Hmm ok I forgot about Galaxy S5. Didn't know LG G3 update ws avaialable to everyone.
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I'm not sure it is available for everyone. On further research may be a very slow rollout. But some people are getting it...