How to protect yourself from trojans/rootkits in custom roms? There should be some file checksum service, or a scanner. For example, someone might publish a "keyboard fix" which includes a keylogger etc
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why facepalm? it's a legit concern. as much as we like work of people like doc and other devs, we only "know" them thru da interweb. not saying any of the devs are suspicious or anything, but some healthy sceptism won't do harm.
to the original op, i suppose it's just like in real life - be careful, read up on feedbacks, watch the rom cooker's behaviour/history etc. if they have a long history of projects/been longtime helpful to the community etc, then good chance they are good guys. of course nothing is 100%, so if you're still worried, then stick to the official roms.
You can't protect yourself from that. If you use a custom Rom someone put together, you trust that person that he or she didn't have any bad intentions when he or she did so. If you can't trust that person... Well, use the stock ROMs and trust Samsung instead. Or maybe Apple. They're trustworthy. Keep their sheep locked up good.
Understandable that you are concerned but firstly, have you seen the amount of work put into these ROMs by the chefs? Why on earth would they even have viruses or let them slip through the ROMs? Custom ROMs have been around for years and that's never happened, i've cooked ROMs for the i900 and never ever thought about that.
There is an extremely slim chance that you will get a virus in a custom ROM.
sunwee said:
why facepalm? it's a legit concern. as much as we like work of people like doc and other devs, we only "know" them thru da interweb. not saying any of the devs are suspicious or anything, but some healthy sceptism won't do harm.
to the original op, i suppose it's just like in real life - be careful, read up on feedbacks, watch the rom cooker's behaviour/history etc. if they have a long history of projects/been longtime helpful to the community etc, then good chance they are good guys. of course nothing is 100%, so if you're still worried, then stick to the official roms.
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Thats not a legit concern, thats paranoia and idiocy.
why? tell me, is it *impossible* to add a trojan to the unofficial roms?
sunwee said:
why? tell me, is it *impossible* to add a trojan to the unofficial roms?
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For sure it's possible, especially if you download a repacked cooked ROM that wasn't uploaded by the ROM cooker himself.
Otherwise, it's purely paranoid feeling...
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sunwee said:
why? tell me, is it *impossible* to add a trojan to the unofficial roms?
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It is of course but that doesn't mean that someone would harm his/hers reputation here in the community by doing such a thing! If you are afraid then don't use custom roms!
I caught man flu once. i remember flashing a rom, answering a call, putting the phone to my ear. Next thing you know i was having cold sweats
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How to protect yourself from trojans/rootkits in custom roms? There should be some file checksum service, or a scanner. For example, someone might publish a "keyboard fix" which includes a keylogger etc
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I noticed you q in the doc_kalpik rom thread. The reasons for the keyboard fixes is that some apk's wont allow so high compression as others. Swype included.
And i need time to time to fix the errors as bugfixes
You can easily compare the apk's against the leaked rom so no need to try to put in any bad hints about rootkits etc.
I ask me, who would do something like that?...
there are a lot of bad people out there. and if money come into the game a lot of trouble rise.
DocRambone said:
I noticed you q in the doc_kalpik rom thread. The reasons for the keyboard fixes is that some apk's wont allow so high compression as others. Swype included.
And i need time to time to fix the errors as bugfixes
You can easily compare the apk's against the leaked rom so no need to try to put in any bad hints about rootkits etc.
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Sorry, no hint was intended specifically to your rom, that's why I started a different thread to ask about it in a more general way. It was just a question which struck me lately. Thanks for the explanation and for all your efforts, I've been using your roms and they are good work.
Bad people dont buy expensive phones
Nah, i think this is mainly paranoia, and what would the virus do anyway :O Delete ur data? Steal info?? Pshhh.
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How to protect yourself from trojans/rootkits in custom roms?
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There are 2 concerns here, both of them legit, but one difficult to protect against (and somewhat unlikely).
1) ROM chef installs a rootkit/malicious piece of code. No amount of scanning or MD5 hashes will help. The only solution is to cook your own ROM from trusted source files AND scan the source code yourself.
2) A person distributing/offering DL link to a cooked ROM adds an additional piece of malicious code to the rom. ROM chefs can offer protection against this by distributinh their orig roms with MD5 hash, against which users can compare other DLs.
I'm personally more worried about free software from various countries that I can DL off the Android Marketplace. There are already password harvesting apps there and the number is likely to continue.
Against this, there's no protection, unless somebody compiles TaintDroid and/or a better firewall into Android (DroidWall is not enough).
As for the motivation to do malicious code injection, plenty exist already (password harvesting, credit card info, bank connection interception, bot-net, telephony based billing, etc).
It will only get worse as time goes by, trust me.
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Bad people dont buy expensive phones
Nah, i think this is mainly paranoia, and what would the virus do anyway :O Delete ur data? Steal info?? Pshhh.
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First of all its not just paranoid to think about that, cause ive caught myself a trojan on my sgs (not with a custom rom). But i dont think about getting any virus or trojan when i flash a custom rom.
And well why would anyone be interested in putting a trojan to ur android phone? Its quite simple... Many people buy apps from the android store. To pay for em they type in their credit card information, witch will be sent to the guy who programmed the trojan.
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I think he is concered about a clean ROM and somebody repacks that rom and posts is as somebody elses rom
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ROM chef installs a rootkit/malicious piece of code. No amount of scanning or MD5 hashes will help. The only solution is to cook your own ROM from trusted source files AND scan the source code yourself.
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And you can't even circumvent this by putting up the sources and let people compile+compare them. Even if you give people the complete toolchain from start to end there will be differences in size and data of some compiled applications.
So in theory although I put up the sources of ULTK noone can actually test for 100% whether the image I put up is actually the same without any kinds of backdoors/trojans and such. And yes I did put a trojan in the compiled ULTK, just for fun... no, was only kidding
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There are 2 concerns here, both of them legit, but one difficult to protect against (and somewhat unlikely).
1) ROM chef installs a rootkit/malicious piece of code. No amount of scanning or MD5 hashes will help. The only solution is to cook your own ROM from trusted source files AND scan the source code yourself.
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You're right. But, a lot of what is on a ROM is a compilation of known good files copied from official/leaked roms. So, some checksumming would at least narrow down the search to what is different in a specific rom.
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Hi Guys,
Been on the forums for a while now since getting my X1. Like most X1 users I am eagerly awaiting the next exciting cooked rom to be released.
There a lot of clever guys on here (itje...jackleung...Daren...Bxsteez...the list goes on...) and credit to them all for what they do Top Guys!
Just a thought... but wouldnt it make more sense for all the Rom cooking guys to get together and maybe work on a few 'ultimate roms'. Maybe even just seperate cabs that work with a particular rom?
Maybe its forbidden taboo? and its something that ya just dont do... But I'd just thought I'd ask if its a possibility?
Just seems that all the guys are working so hard to all end up doing the same thing! where as if if they where all working together...the end results may just be awesome....
I'll apologise now if a topic like this has already been mentioned (I didnt see one).
Once again, Credits to the Cookers out there. I wish I had your knowledge
Kind Regards,
King
Long Live the X1....lol
many cooks do work together, perhaps not visible, but through pm and other media.
But releasing roms that we all cook on would take alot of coordination..
all cant cook in the same kitchen, that could get messy .
Its not that we dont want to, its just not practical. And adding to that we are like all other artists..we like to be special...hahahahah
seriously...duh...ehhhh...damn those beers...haha
perfectly suitable adjective for this
Too many cooks spoil the broth..
Isn't it better to have a menu with different tastes on it?
fards said:
perfectly suitable adjective for this
Too many cooks spoil the broth..
Isn't it better to have a menu with different tastes on it?
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i couldnt agree more...
and like itje, we are a special, but in what we like to have in a ROM.
I'm gonna have to agree with itje. I couldn't have made any of my roms without the help of itje's kitchen and everyone's help across the forum.
Although i think there might be something there.. All get together and make base rom nothing special nothing unique just the best xperia lite rom we could make and then kinda branch off from there... Might be kinda impratical for us to be able to get that done. I dunno. I must say it does make me think...
Hey guys,
I understand what ya saying. Thanks for listening anyway. Keep up the good work. Your a credit to us all... Including the moderators.... and yes your all Special! Am special too... in ward 10. I have nice white padded walls
Kind Regards,
King
Like what itje said already, we did communicate and helping each other publicly or privately. And I am very open on what I found and did on my roms.
Like food (and many different thing), there is no BEST, or ULTIMATE on rom.
Different cook has different taste and cooking style, and different consumer had different preference to suit his need in many different area such as functionality vs. size (Lite vs. full), speed vs. stability, language (WWE, German, Chinese, ....etc).
Therefore, it's simply impossible/impractical to have one(or a few) ROM that suit everybody.
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All get together and make base rom nothing special nothing unique just the best xperia lite rom we could make and then kinda branch off from there... Might be kinda impratical for us to be able to get that done. I dunno. I must say it does make me think...
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It's very hard to define and agreed on "best lite rom".
For example, my V2 lite has about 382mb free storage. Is it the litest you can get? No, because I can make it even liter by removing MS Live, Office ...etc. But then some people may complaint missing this or missing that (e.g. ringtones).
It just uneasy to draw the line and agreed on any standard.
Yea that is true..... The way i originally had my lite rom was completely stripped of every thing but everyone was saying they wanted more crap thrown in............. never ending stuggle i guess. Maybe we can crack open the xperia and put high density drop in replace RAM chip
i would like to flash my own rom but where can download newest rom and oem package.
Bxsteez said:
Yea that is true..... The way i originally had my lite rom was completely stripped of every thing but everyone was saying they wanted more crap thrown in............. never ending stuggle i guess. Maybe we can crack open the xperia and put high density drop in replace RAM chip
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I would like to have some x-ray vision and flight capabilities, can we do this? please?? ASAP??? But if we can't do that can we have like a laser or something??? omg that would rockz guys, wow, just..far out ya know
greetzzz
Anyone can teach me how to develope own ROM?
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Anyone can teach me how to develope own ROM?
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The first thing you should learn for rom cooking is read and search. Everything you need is in this forum already.
So I was trying to help my little brother get a custom ROM from XDA so he can enjoy his Wing. Well, ends up half of the chefs out there create roms without important features. For example, no MMS. Ok, so maybe you can get away with that since you can download Arcsoft and install it afterwards. However, question remains, why don't the chefs include Arcsoft already in their roms like they used to on XDA with the MDA, etc?!
So fine, no MMS, install it later. How about required functions? For example NO CAMERA SOFTWARE!?!? Are you serious chefs? I mean I know you take out things like ringtones, carrier bloat, etc, but CAMERA?! Now, the MDA, when a chef took out the camera it was because THEY WERE REPLACING IT WITH A BETTER CAMERA SOFTWARE.
What gives XDA?! I am noticing this in other ROM threads for other phones. Even some of the latest phones have this issue too. Rhodium roms missing landscape mode?! It's a Rhodium, it has both landscape and portrait!
Either way, so fine, you want to make these roms available to the public. No problem. Ever think about creating a TEST ROMS section INSIDE OF XDA ROMS?!
So another example. One section for "INCOMPLETE BETA SUPER TEST ROMS" and another for "The phone should still be able to use all hardware on it with this ROM" section. How about that for a little more clarity?!
I can't beleive what's happened to beloved XDA. Shame. Big shame.
Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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Every people cooking ROMs tries to cook the way the most useful for his/her device, and test some apps or abilities from the ROM.
And as you've read, they share their ROMs "for free" so that you can enter here, search, and download the ROM you want, flash it and play with it.
Nobody sells anything. There's no agreement to sign. There's no compromise except the wish to make things well - to every chef's taste.
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.
The best you can do is to write a factually comment into the thread, where you have downloaded the ROM. This is the right way, to get an answer. But don´t insult the cookers. Here are kitchens presented, so that you can make it better for your own, if you want.
chillax
MMS is a carrier specific issue. Roms atleast for this fone aren't carrier specific... Yea this stuff is free and you'll have to use a little elbow grease to get it workin in the way u want. If you want a specific app cooked into your rom be it commercial or not cook it in yourself, just be careful of rammifications if you share your rom with the public. Kitchens are not rocket science, just grab on and slam into it head first
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Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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I understand, trust me. I don't think you are preaching. In the days when I first got my Wizard (MDA) the roms did not require much addition of software. You could choose a rom and the chef would do more work in letting you know about the rom. ie: Missing this, missing that, has this, has that...etc. I came across two ROMs in particular that did not mention such things to me and was shocked about it.
After further reading the posts in the ROM Chef's thread, I discovered that the chef did not care that the needed app was not working and had asked all users to just download an older build of the ROM instead of trying to get a functional ROM shared.
Now I understand that apparently XDA came under great legal threat from several companies about their roms/software being released here for free(whether or not it left the phones without critical functions). For this reason, to remain alive, XDA had to comply by these rules and just let the chefs make the ROM itself and anyone willing to put up with not having a phone or camera or keyboard or touchscreen working on their phone would test the ROMs out and figure out how to get critical functions back by themselves because it would destroy XDA if the ROMs had this software included.
Back then it was considered hard work simply downloading/burning a ROM that a Chef made, but these days you even have to install the basic function apps yourself if you want to participate. Hopefully it doesn't get much worse than that. I really want my Touch Pro 2 to have an XDA ROM running on it in the near future with WM 6.5 and enjoy butter smooth, reliable operation.
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You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.
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nothing more i can add ...
Guys, this was a response to a post from me and my subsequent response to it posted in the XannyTech ROM thread. I thought it would be best to open this to a wider community as I am sure many feel as I do, but are unsure how to better the operation as it currently stands.
As I specify at the end of the post, I am definitely NOT attacking the chefs, just trying to get the best possible solution for the vast majority of people and giving my reasoning behind it.
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Mate, I don't agree with you.
I know that these are things told and told again.....but:
- Did you install additional software?
- Did you try to uninstall any additional software?
- Did you try to do an Hard Reset?
- Did you do an Hard Reset after Flashing?
- Did you try to re-flash the rom?
- Did you try to download again the rom?
You can see by other people's feedbacks that this rom is probably the best, performing and stable one, and you cannot of sure tell that this rom is "bits and pieces untested in it", because the cooker and his team of betatesters of course cannot test anything under ANY circumsance and ANY configuration and ANY additional software installed and ANY...and ANY...and ANY....
I feel to tell you these few words because I don't like who don't respect other's hard work. Did you noticed how many releases is Xanny doing? And every release is better then the last...so if you are experiencing problems or probably bugs, please give respect to the cooker and explain in a civil and constructive way wich the bugs are, and you can be sure that the cooker will fix as soon as possible.
Keep in mind that the rom MUST be valued "nude and crude" like the cooker post it, and not after installed a miriad of sofwares in it.
Maybe it's not your case.......
.....but I'm bored to see stupid posts like your.
Escuse me in advance if I'm too "direct" with you, I respect anyone that respect other people.
Ciao from Italy
dafunk
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OK, firstly I take no offence to you being direct - it's sometimes the best way to be
Secondly, I have voiced my issues in a constructive and respectful manner within this thread before and many others from many other Chefs, but with little or sometimes no response.
I suppose we have to understand that:
these guys are doing this for nothing. I do!
these guys put a lot of effort and time into it - I do!
that these guys and testers cannot iron out every bug - I do!
Now,Chefs must understand a few bits and pieces also.
If they are going to cook ROM's then:
they need to be VERY precise about the issues they KNOW are resident
they need to understand that people willing to use these ROM's still want a fully functioning phone
they need to understand that fixing a bug in ROMv1 by releasing ROMv2 is all well and good, UNLESS it breaks something that was working fine in ROMv1 (often the case)
I can't emphasise enough the respect I have for these people, but I do think that we are getting more quantity than quality. There are a number of issues (see bug tracker) with some of the later ROM's which quiet frankly were broken as a result of a new recipe.....working before and broken after is breaking the golden rule of a new software release!
At the end of all this I urge people to understand what I'm saying and not take it as an attack against the Chefs as this is most definitely NOT what this is.
oh and to add, I have tried flashing via USB and flashing via SD Card, and hard resetting a number of times after flash. As for not installing any software....I'm struggling to see the relevance of that suggestion. Do you think HTC test TouchFlo3D against every piece of software developed for the platform they implement their software on to check for compatibility? No.....what they do is adhere to coding standards and practices using certified API's and the like to make sure that 99% of the time everything should be fine.
Now I'm not suggesting the same level of testing for Chefs, but what I AM saying is that if these ROM's are basically tweaked stock ROM's (which the newer Leo ROMs are now it's live) then surely the inherent testing has been done and issues should be minimal. That being the case, why are there so many posts on cooked ROM threads stating issues?
Again, not being antagonistic, just trying to point something out. I appreciate the chefs, but I still want my phone to operate.
I can just offer my noob experience, I have encountered apps made for winmo6.1 to cause problems for winmo6.5. and often times custom made mods by fellow users such as tweaks and graphics, mods to tf3d etc often causes problems, maybe not for first release, but when a new piece of software comes, like now manila 2.5 and so many new releases, what was perfect yesterday causes major bugs today.
And as far as cooking a rom, i have had such thing happened to me that when just updating one package in the rom, the whole thing will not start, just a newer version of the same app. So every new sys, every new manila edition, every new modification is very possible to cause some new conflict, noticeable or not.
I think if we want to have the latest software availible on the market, you will never have that officially, then this is the way to go, and there will always be some sort of conflicts minor or major, the good thing is chefs that are willing to work to improve, workaround fix etc, i like xanny, and miri and several others who are present in their threads and actually communicating trying to solve the issues, some just post a rom and you wont hear from them again until next release. But everything here is from free will, you chose to flash a rom you do take a risk. But we have some good backup tools and autoconfig tools so flashing is not so very timeconsuming
But i have had stockroms freeze on me, lagging and very irritable, but hey i am glad being able to have custom roms, every chef bring their own flavor to the phone, and if you dislike all you can always start cooking yourself then you can twist and turn it however you prefer
Thanks for your input - I was fearing a bit of a flame war when I posted so I'm happy that the first person to reply was a mature one
I suppose you are right from the point of view that having the latest software means that the likelihood is that it will not be officially tested and verified. I just wish that I wasn't always "waiting for the next problem" to occur.
If I was really bothered I suppose I'd go back to Stock and make do, but then I'd CAB my phone up to breaking point with tweaks! - lose lose situation perhaps
the way i look at it, we should only be using stock ROMs. Cookers then put in the time to create great ROMs for us with the features of newer devices, allowing us to get more out of our devices. They ask for little in return, so i dont really think its fair to criticise their products, because were it not for them, we'd be using just stock ROMs. Just my way of looking at it
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I suppose we have to understand that:
these guys are doing this for nothing. I do!
these guys put a lot of effort and time into it - I do!
that these guys and testers cannot iron out every bug - I do!
Now,Chefs must understand a few bits and pieces also.
If they are going to cook ROM's then:
they need to be VERY precise about the issues they KNOW are resident
they need to understand that people willing to use these ROM's still want a fully functioning phone
they need to understand that fixing a bug in ROMv1 by releasing ROMv2 is all well and good, UNLESS it breaks something that was working fine in ROMv1 (often the case)
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It seems you don't really understand the 3 points you made or else you wouldn't have made this post.
No-one is forcing you to use any ROM other than stock. And telling the chefs how to make their ROMs is just stupid, it's a completely optional service that these people are providing. Why should they be "VERY precise"? It's their ROM, if you don't like it, get another one or go back to stock.
I'm pretty positive they understand we want a fully functional phone, not sure what your point is here.
If you don't like the new version of a ROM then don't upgrade, or try it then go back to the old version.
Although you say you appreciate what they're doing, you come across as ungrateful that their free service is not up to your standards...
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It seems you don't really understand the 3 points you made or else you wouldn't have made this post.
No-one is forcing you to use any ROM other than stock. And telling the chefs how to make their ROMs is just stupid, it's a completely optional service that these people are doing. Why should they be "VERY precise"? It's their ROM, if you don't like it, get another one.
Although you say you appreciate what their doing, you come across as ungrateful that their free service is not up to your standards...
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I appreciate your point, and I can wholeheartedly see how my points could be perceived as aggressive towards chefs.
However, what I am trying to say is that whilst I understand I "don't need to use" these ROMs...why would anyone go to the time and effort to create a ROM if:
they didn't want people to use them, and
they didn't want it to be the best ROM out there with the fewest issues
I am simply saying that a few chefs are content with spewing out ROM after ROM without actually realising that people would prefer a recent-ish build release which was stable, and fast over a brand new ROM which was buggy.
personal opinion
Everyone must know that what these guys are doing is from their free time, and no one is forced to use their ROM`s. Who do use them, is doing that by free will. It may be that one of ROM is not that good that another, but you can go anytime to stock ROM, or the one you had before (like I did some times).
What I`m trying to say is that all we have to do is to say “thank you” to these guys who make possible that we all have a better device.
Keep up the good work and I salute you!
hehehe all very amusing, how you've made this into an issue I don't know...
chefs don't need to "understand" anything, they post it here with as much or as little description as they like!
luckily this forum is packed full of support tips faqs etc that there's really no need to ask chefs to be "very precise" and other such nonsense.
chefs can "spew" as much as they like, what the general public "prefer" is really not an issue, you are lucky that some of them reply and give you the help they do at all, in fact Xanny happens to give a lot of support for his roms and I can understand why he might feel just a little tired at some of the repetitive questions etc that get asked in his thread.
The fact the chefs reply at all should be help enough, you imply that you put "time and effort" into testing the roms...well that's lovely but it doesn't give you any extra gold stars.
This is not an attack against you, but you "need to understand" that there's nothing the chefs "need to understand" or do in order to please you or anyone else who take the time to test the roms, because noone is asking you to.
I think this pretty pointless thread has ran its purpose IMO. I believe all chef's put a lot of work into their roms and are trying to acheive the best rom, with the latest builds with no bugs. This is a hard enough task without people complaining about issues all the time which in general most chef's try to eradicate. No one wants bugs including chef's, but with newer builds appearing all the time, its inevitable you will get issues as these builds where not planned for the HD.
Think enough has been said on this subject
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With hundreds (guessing) ROMs now posted for the TP2 is there a way to get a gauge on which ones are better at what things. WITHOUT LOOKING AT EVERY ROM POST. I want to upgrade from 6.1 but every post ROM I have looked at seems to have some caveat about this or that not working (GPS, MMS, etc.). Its very difficult to contrast and compare the different ROMs. Maybe we can develop a form that devs can complete when uploading a ROM to give a clear, concise, and standardized view of the features and caveats on their ROMs. This would make it much easier to decide which one to use.
Thanks to everyone that has ever posted a meaning message to this forum.
EDIT: I am not complaining about the caveats. This is about the information that we need to know about the ROMs available. I want to make an informed decision on which caveats are acceptable to me. Sorry if it reads poorly.
Yeah most cooked roms dont have near to polish of a stock rom. However, most of these guys build these roms for basically free. The "scene" is drivin by its member so if you want something done that noone else is doing you should work to make it happen yourself. Its not like your a customer and get to complain...
Good idea for sure tho.
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Thats a great idea I hope that it happens.
I know what you mean, and I agree with you to a certain extent. When I first came here, I was totally confused and bewildered by the number of different ROMs. There's certainly no way you can read the whole thread for each ROM, there's way too much.
I think you'll find the ROMs are a lot more stable than you think. If you want to stick with stability, I'd go with Sense (TouchFlo3D) 2.1, not 2.5. But that still gives you plenty of choice. Have a look at some screenshots, see if there's one that looks nice to you and seems to contain the features you need, try flashing it and see how you go. If you don't like it, you can easily change and flash a different one.
Or another approach is to look at the threads which seem the most "popular" and try one of those, banking on there being a lot of people to help you, in the same situation, and that "so many people" can't be wrong ?
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Yeah most cooked roms dont have near to polish of a stock rom. However, most of these guys build these roms for basically free. The "scene" is drivin by its member so if you want something done that noone else is doing you should work to make it happen yourself. Its not like your a customer and get to complain...
Good idea for sure tho.
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Whoo Dude... back off. Im not complaining about anyones work. Nor am I knocking ANY of the work done here. This is simply a feeler to see if the cooks would be up to it standardizing the info about their work and if its a good idea or not. Notice I said "Maybe WE can develop...", that includes me.
Good Idea
I think u right there. The cooks are done a fantastic jobs their to provide us with such amount of their free time and fabulous ROMS. However, each cook choose a different orientation for their ROM, i mean some want to have max free mem, others go for esthetics, etc etc.
It would be nice if we can have a sort of specs (hmmm well i hope u get the idea here) that we can check to know which type of ROM it is, which is working or not and so on and so on.
If I created a list (word or excel) of all features and functions of the TP2 then had the cooks complete them for the ROMs and send them to me. I could then compile them all into a database that would display ROMs side by side with a feature list checkbox table. (No sense making the cooks do alot of initial data entry... that stuff sucks. ) We could then make direct comparisons of each one. All they would need to do is keep me updated with the latest ROM info and I can keep the DB updated. Once the feature list is stabilized I could turn on the feature where they could be able to update the info themselves.
I don't mind doing the development of this if the cooks are up for this idea. I can't cook a ROM but I can code a db/website.
Hi guys,
So i wanted to know how i can know if someone (like the developer of a rom) is watching your text messages, and if they can send messages to cost you money...?
Thanks
nabil alami said:
Hi guys,
So i wanted to know how i can know if someone (like the developer of a rom) is watching your text messages, and if they can send messages to cost you money...?
Thanks
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No they aren't, and no they can't, and its kind of rude to come here with those kinds of suspicions/paranoia.....even if you have got something very dodgy/weird/sick to hide........see....it isn't nice when people throw unfounded suspicions at you, is it?!
slaphead20 said:
No they aren't, and no they can't, and its kind of rude to come here with those kinds of suspicions/paranoia.....even if you have got something very dodgy/weird/sick to hide........see....it isn't nice when people throw unfounded suspicions at you, is it?!
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I wasn't trying to offend anyone its just about an article i read so don't talk about things you don't know about and thats why i ask a question to learn.....not to get a stupid reply like yours...
nabil alami said:
I wasn't trying to offend anyone its just about an article i read so don't talk about things you don't know about and thats why i ask a question to learn.....not to get a stupid reply like yours...
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Then maybe it would be wise to post a link to the article in order to justify your question
slaphead20 said:
Then maybe it would be wise to post a link to the article in order to justify your question
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It was a long time ago and you know what just forget it.
and sorry if i offended you!
now bye
slaphead20 said:
Then maybe it would be wise to post a link to the article in order to justify your question
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Btw i really like your rom (didn't notice it was yours) and its a gr8 rom and i didn't mean to offend you by this!
nabil alami said:
It was a long time ago and you know what just forget it.
and sorry if i offended you!
now bye
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You didn't offend me in the slightest, I was just trying to illustrate to you what it must feel like to be a hard working Dev, giving time for free, to then have these kind of suspicions raised. I will also apologise for making the point more forcefully than was maybe necessary. Lessons learnt on both sides....I think you can rest assured that developers on xda(a very well controlled and reputable site) wouldn't dream of undertaking such misdemeanours.
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You didn't offend me in the slightest, I was just trying to illustrate to you what it must feel like to be a hard working Dev, giving time for free, to then have these kind of suspicions raised. I will also apologise for making the point more forcefully than was maybe necessary. Lessons learnt on both sides....I think you can rest assured that developers on xda(a very well controlled and reputable site) wouldn't dream of undertaking such misdemeanours.
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You are right and I'm still learning but thanks for the answer. And i Know that the developers work really hard on these Roms (i mean they are MUCH better than the stock ones).
ps. i just want to tell you about i think its a bug that i faced when i was on your rom it it was the the IMEI changed but i don't know why. ( it was in an older version than the current one)
You sometimes lose your imei when changing between Samsung roms and Cm9/aosp rooms due to different partitions, usually you will find out changes to a generic number (can't remember what it is!) But you can usually get it back by reflashing stock GB, but always have a back up of your efs folder.......and it isn't my ROM, I just help out on slim thread to allow dev to focus on the job in hand
nabil alami said:
You are right and I'm still learning but thanks for the answer. And i Know that the developers work really hard on these Roms (i mean they are MUCH better than the stock ones).
ps. i just want to tell you about i think its a bug that i faced when i was on your rom it it was the the IMEI changed but i don't know why. ( it was in an older version than the current one)
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You sometimes lose your imei when changing between Samsung roms and Cm9/aosp rooms due to different partitions, usually you will find out changes to a generic number (can't remember what it is!) But you can usually get it back by reflashing stock GB, but always have a back up of your efs folder.......and it isn't my ROM, I just help out on slim thread to allow dev to focus on the job in hand
slaphead20 said:
You sometimes lose your imei when changing between Samsung roms and Cm9/aosp rooms due to different partitions, usually you will find out changes to a generic number (can't remember what it is!) But you can usually get it back by reflashing stock GB, but always have a back up of your efs folder.......and it isn't my ROM, I just help out on slim thread to allow dev to focus on the job in hand
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ohh ok....thanks for the answer.
Keep up the Good work.
I think he was relating to a kernel dev here on xda,who was using his kernel to send out adds and make money.
That dev. Was kicked out of xda and will never come back.
His name was Damiangto.
zodiaxe66 said:
I think he was relating to a kernel dev here on xda,who was using his kernel to send out adds and make money.
That dev. Was kicked out of xda and will never come back.
His name was Damiangto.
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The reason he was banned principally, from what I remember, was that he refused to share his source code, though interestingly I went to his site for the first time today to look at his ics kernel, only to find out he wants money for access to latest releases, and yes, lots of adverts etc! Not my cup of tea!