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I have a quick question, I know that Cingular is slowly rolling out their 3G network, for their new video service. My question is, is that hard wired into the phone or software driven. meaning, my 8125 has edge built in, when 3G hits my area, can it be enabled by a rom update, Or do you have to buy a phone that is made for 3G? Thanks!
Its a radio device built into the phone, So no you will not be able to use 3g with the wizard.
Sorry
3G is definitely hardware based, so you'll not be able to take advantage of the 3G speed with your Wizard. AFAIK the US 3G system is (surprise surprise!) incompatible with the rest of the world 3G system, so a Universal wouldn't even be able to be used on Cingular. I'm not sure if there is an HTC CDMA (rather than UTMS) based device available yet.
there's plenty of HTC CDMA devices. the 6700 (either sprint or verizon), the Treo 700w, or the craptacular motorola Q. all support eVDO (which apparently is 3G. and honestly, even $45 a month for "faster" internet is extremely ridiculous, i mean do u need the pages to load in a heatbeat? or do you really download songs directly to your phone? the only reason to get it would be if you used services like Orb or slingbox to stream media. i mean, does 3g add any better voice quality? or is it just internet? if its just internet, i'll pass, and i can keep the $45 a month for something else.
i think it's insane that it cost as much for 3g as it does for my cable at home...
From what I read, the reason HTC opened an office in the US is so they can release phones here the same time they're released overseas. We'll see how much bull that is when hermes comes out. (Hermes is basically a 3g UMTS version of the wizard)
darkjedi said:
i mean, does 3g add any better voice quality?
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Well, there is video calling, which, although cool is basically just a gimmick at the moment (plus you've got to rely on the other person having a 3G phone also). Sure, 3G technology is cool and all, but until it becomes as affordable as a normal phone contract, then it's not gonna catch on as quick as the networks would like.
thats not adding better voice quality. so i'm gonna take that as a no. and thats a shame.
darkjedi said:
thats not adding better voice quality. so i'm gonna take that as a no. and thats a shame.
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Correct, you're still using a GSM voice bearer and GSM codec for voice so regardless of the bandwidth you have you're limited to about 12kbps in a phone call.
That said, the VoIP services such as Skype *in theory* would benefit from the increased bandwidth as they use raw IP to make the call.
Some months ago I bought me a TyTN II. Love the device, but not without the possibility to go online. So I also bought a Mobile data subscription.
Here in Belgium it's with the the provider base, en they only offer 2G, Edge.
I use it for browsing the internet, blogging en I check some mailboxes.
All good and well but ever since, I have more missed calls than calls that come trough.
People immediatly get my voicemail. And since I use the phone for my business it 's kinda important that I receive most of the calls.
So I called my provider to complain, and they said it's my phone's fault. By default an incoming call is more important than data so the data should be interrupted to let the incoming call get through.
Are there people with the same problem here? Solutions maybe?
Or is my provider wrong and should I complain some more?
Jens- said:
Some months ago I bought me a TyTN II. Love the device, but not without the possibility to go online. So I also bought a Mobile data subscription.
Here in Belgium it's with the the provider base, en they only offer 2G, Edge.
I use it for browsing the internet, blogging en I check some mailboxes.
All good and well but ever since, I have more missed calls than calls that come trough.
People immediatly get my voicemail. And since I use the phone for my business it 's kinda important that I receive most of the calls.
So I called my provider to complain, and they said it's my phone's fault. By default an incoming call is more important than data so the data should be interrupted to let the incoming call get through.
Are there people with the same problem here? Solutions maybe?
Or is my provider wrong and should I complain some more?
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I have the tytn2 with t-mobile in the states and have the same issue. With no 3g incoming calls take a backseat to web browsing. If pages are already loaded then you get the call if data is in working mode (loading stuff) then the call goes to vm. With 3g it's a non-issue. But no 3g for t-mo here yet.
I can't say that I have the same problem. I haven't had any voicemails pop up without a call indicator. I am on AT&T and I too am in an EDGE network region.
I have noticed same problem with TyTn II on Orange, not found a fix yet!
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It is definitely a 2g/3g issue - 2g data transmission is not compatible with simultaneous voice while 3g is. I can easily duplicate this behavior by using commmgrpro to change the data band, open IE and call the cel simultaneously. This is not a phone issue to the best of my knowledge - no phones are capable of 2g/voice together, although some might do a better job of "prioritizing" a call over a data session.
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That is absolutely correct. Once in a 2G network only, you cannot use Voice and data at the same time. This is one of the main advantages of the 3G, where you can browse and get voice at the same time.
And there is no way around it. Either Voice, or data. Sorry.
I think he's getting at why can't he pick which one should be most important. For example, I have push email running...and this obviously requires a constant data connection...why is it that push email automagically picks up the fact that a phone call is coming in and allows itself to be prioritized whereas internet explorer does not?
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I think he's getting at why can't he pick which one should be most important. For example, I have push email running...and this obviously requires a constant data connection...why is it that push email automagically picks up the fact that a phone call is coming in and allows itself to be prioritized whereas internet explorer does not?
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Push email means you're constantly connected but it does not mean your phone is constantly transmitting/receiving data. It's only receiving data when you actually receive an email. So I doubt Push Email has any different priority settings.
it's operator phone equipment depended only
non of my 2g phones ever had call's sms's mms's blocked by grps
I was wondering is there a setting on the TyTN II that I can set to make calls my first priority. When I'm using the internet on my phone, no calls can come through. My service provider said the calls should come through while going onto and said it's probably something I set on my phone that isn't letting the calls get through.
So.. is there a setting I can set to be able to receive calls while using the internet? By the way I'm using EDGE network, not 3G
i believe you have to be using 3g to be able to receive incoming calls while using the internet
XtreMe_G said:
i believe you have to be using 3g to be able to receive incoming calls while using the internet
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hmm.. I thought so, but the representative said the calls should come through, so I was just asking to see if it really is possible.
Surf the internet on EGDE mode. Dissable 3G then you will be fine. That's another side (dark or bright, you grade it) of 3G beside of drainning battery.
FYI, you can place a call while surfing internet on 3G mode.
Nghiem said:
Surf the internet on EGDE mode. Dissable 3G then you will be fine. That's another side (dark or bright, you grade it) of 3G beside of drainning battery.
FYI, you can place a call while surfing internet on 3G mode.
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I know I'll be able to make calls through 3G while surfing the net. But T-mobile USA currently only has the EDGE network. So I was wondering is there anyway to make calls able to get through while I'm surfing the net. Because a lot of people has been complaining that they can get a hold on me.
I have a similar question.
Can one use wifi internet while on the phone?
CorruptedSanity said:
Can one use wifi internet while on the phone?
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yup, you can
Actually I got a question that's somewhat related.. Calls do come through when I use 3G/HSDPA connection.. however, if I pick up - connection terminates... isn't HSDPA supposed to let you talk and use internet at the same time?
when im using gprs i can reeive calls but it kicks off my gprs connection - very annoying - so i guess this isnt a fully fledged device capable of both at the same time - there are three types right, 1 2 and 3?
if your phone is locked to wcdma in the network settings then yes, you can browse the internet and recieve pictures,.
I have found that when the phone is set to Auto selection, it always drops back to gsm to carry the phone calls (maybe this is network dependent), which while on gsm calls, the data connection is suspended.
Not all ROMS offer this functionality, I can confirm the the original HTC ROM for the kaiser does!
One thing you can do, and I know its kind of a round about way, but.... I use callwave.com for my voicemail, and have messages and missed call notifications send to my phone via email. With direct push set up. Now if I and downloading something or loading a web page and a call comes in, it goes to voicemail immediately and even if the caller just hangs up without leaving a message I will get the notification while online. Also if they DO leave a message I get a email with the content of the voicemail roughly typed out so I can see what the call is about and who called without ever having to disconnect the internet unless I need to call them back.
I know this isn't really what you are talking about, but its better then not even getting a missed call notification because you are online, or not getting voicemails until you disconnect.
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I know I'll be able to make calls through 3G while surfing the net. But T-mobile USA currently only has the EDGE network. So I was wondering is there anyway to make calls able to get through while I'm surfing the net. Because a lot of people has been complaining that they can get a hold on me.
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Since no one is answering your question directly the answer is no.
If you are on the net, edge will send you to voicemail. The only way around it would be to roam on AT&T in 3G.
Edge was never really "designed" for what we are doing now with phones.
lcohen999 said:
Since no one is answering your question directly the answer is no.
If you are on the net, edge will send you to voicemail. The only way around it would be to roam on AT&T in 3G.
Edge was never really "designed" for what we are doing now with phones.
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okay. thanks
mbritten said:
One thing you can do, and I know its kind of a round about way, but.... I use callwave.com for my voicemail, and have messages and missed call notifications send to my phone via email. With direct push set up. Now if I and downloading something or loading a web page and a call comes in, it goes to voicemail immediately and even if the caller just hangs up without leaving a message I will get the notification while online. Also if they DO leave a message I get a email with the content of the voicemail roughly typed out so I can see what the call is about and who called without ever having to disconnect the internet unless I need to call them back.
I know this isn't really what you are talking about, but its better then not even getting a missed call notification because you are online, or not getting voicemails until you disconnect.
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I'm already using callwave, but the thing is that my emails aren't coming through to my phone sometimes, push email doesn't work at all.
i use mail2web for my exchange email, i did have a problem for a bit while i was using wap.cingular, i am on at&t and i have pda connect unlimited (lowered to $30 per month now BTW, you have to call to get the lower price) and i switched to isp.cingular and have no problems anymore, emails come in about 5 sec after the caller hangs up
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i use mail2web for my exchange email, i did have a problem for a bit while i was using wap.cingular, i am on at&t and i have pda connect unlimited (lowered to $30 per month now BTW, you have to call to get the lower price) and i switched to isp.cingular and have no problems anymore, emails come in about 5 sec after the caller hangs up
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But AT&T has their 3G network, I'm using t-mobile which doesn't
Ok so i was messing around with the settings in Kaiser Tweak.. and i have found this..
3G does indeed go faster than HSPDA(aka 3.5G) on my network here in south florida..
In New York City it was the opposite..
another thing that i did notice was that in NY i can have simultaneous voice and data sessions open, but here in south florida i cannot
(ie. Tethering whilst on the phone, or surfing web while on hold...)
i was wondering wether u you all can have simultaneous voice and data, and where??
Colorado Springs, CO: Simultaneous voice and data.
I can do both voice and data simultaneously in Nashville, and was able to do so successfully when I was in various parts of Florida (except when I was roaming off of the Edge network, obviously).
Jacksonville, FL. works fine... might have just been an issue in NY, or you need a new sim then sim updates.
Jacksonville Fl here as well and I have had no issues... I can do it all simultaneous.... where in S. Fl are you?
im in palm beach county...when i go up to martin county simultaneous voice and data works fine..
im gonna gonna be going up there this weekend and checking it out while im there again.
I see that the 3G towers dont have much range, im guessing now that each one works differently.. I dont know if i should get a new radio.
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Jacksonville, FL. works fine... might have just been an issue in NY, or you need a new sim then sim updates.
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What would a new sim have to do with network speed?
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What would a new sim have to do with network speed?
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When I worked for ATT they had a training course on the new sim cards and it has to do with the available amount of memory on the chip and the downloads of the tower databases. Older non 3g sims have half the memory of the 3g sims and cannot hold the download that comes to your phone that tells it what towers to use. That was what Tom the network engineer in CFL had advised us of.
HSDPA in Philadelphia, PA is upwards of 1.8mbps. I frequently tether to my laptop and do not get disconnected if the phone rings. I am using the SIM that shipped with my Tilt.
Hey I'm in Palm Beach County too....Nice too see you here.... a quick question for you...do you notice a problem with MMS in Palm Beach County like I do... meaning a long delay in sending to someone not in the ATT spectrum???
Minneapolis - works simultaneous. Tested and verified many times =)
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Ok so i was messing around with the settings in Kaiser Tweak.. and i have found this..
3G does indeed go faster than HSPDA(aka 3.5G) on my network here in south florida..
In New York City it was the opposite..
another thing that i did notice was that in NY i can have simultaneous voice and data sessions open, but here in south florida i cannot
(ie. Tethering whilst on the phone, or surfing web while on hold...)
i was wondering wether u you all can have simultaneous voice and data, and where??
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Maybe you simultaneous voice and data didn't work because you had the Kaiser Tweak setting "Disconnect Data Connection after" set to something other than "never" at the time you tried it. Simultaneous doesn't work if you have a disconnect timeout set.
Maryland Baltimore Area
3G and HSDPA
approx equal speeds ( 1.7mbps verified by multiple badwidth tests)
Able to both talk and surf regardless 3G or HSDPA
NotATreoFan said:
HSDPA in Philadelphia, PA is upwards of 1.8mbps. I frequently tether to my laptop and do not get disconnected if the phone rings. I am using the SIM that shipped with my Tilt.
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I'm in delaware, and this is what happens to me. HOWEVER, it doesnt happen if i'm on the edge network, go figure.
ok heres my reviews .. ive done a bit of travelling with my wife and for my job since ive bought my Tilt so i got to see its performance in a few diffrent places.
-Where i live NJ = Fast ( switches between HSDPA and Edge all the time )
-NY = semi fast ( stayed on HSDPA )
-Chicago = slow ( Edge network Only )
London = SUPER FAST ( not only did it stay on HSDPA the entire time, i watched youtube vids and flipped thru them without and lag or choppy screens )
-Boston, around the New England Aquarium = Semi Fast, Edge and HSDPA )
so the way i feel, its alot faster than my Blackberry Curve, and blows my wifes iPhone out the water while on HSDPA. BUT while im on the EDGE network its pretty much at the same speed.
nimda0 said:
I'm in delaware, and this is what happens to me. HOWEVER, it doesnt happen if i'm on the edge network, go figure.
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It's normal, EDGE doesn't support simultaneous call and data. 3G does.
ok im in southern california and i can do both data and voice BUT i have never maxed above 800 kbit on HSDPA..really lame but i dont know why
JstarLuvsTina said:
-Boston, around the New England Aquarium = Semi Fast, Edge and HSDPA )
and blows my wifes iPhone out the water while on HSDPA. BUT while im on the EDGE network its pretty much at the same speed.
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I will attest to Boston and it's environs. I was connected yesterday during back and forth emails, when my wife called, so the simultaneous voice and data works also.
And yes, my wife was calling from her pokey slow iPhone
3G supports simultaneous voice and data and has always worked for me this way in Harrisburg PA on my Tytn II--- until recently.
I now cannot use data while on a voice call. I've tried resetting my data connections and modifying all my tweaks, but it is stuck this way. Has anyone seen this happen?
mskovrinskie said:
3G supports simultaneous voice and data and has always worked for me this way in Harrisburg PA on my Tytn II--- until recently.
I now cannot use data while on a voice call. I've tried resetting my data connections and modifying all my tweaks, but it is stuck this way. Has anyone seen this happen?
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I hate it when I answer my own question.. I just found the fix for this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2030937&postcount=11
People are making a big deal about Verizon Iphone not having voice and data at the same time. I thought this was a common issue since I never get voice and data on my nexus one (Tmo) how about you guys? The only phone that gave me voice and data was the G1.
No problems here, but I'm on AT&T. I'm almost always browsing the web or doing something else when I'm talking to the wife...just don't tell her that.
armyengineer51 said:
No problems here, but I'm on AT&T. I'm almost always browsing the web or doing something else when I'm talking to the wife...just don't tell her that.
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LOL what guys doesn't do that. I think it must be T-Mobile they been really unreliable lately in Los Angeles.
I can confirm that I can use data while on a call with US tmobile and yes it does matter (sometimes).
i believe it has something to do with the frequencies in use.
att can do data and voice simultaneously
the girlfriends nokia on tmo can not
disgustip8ted said:
i believe it has something to do with the frequencies in use.
att can do data and voice simultaneously
the girlfriends nokia on tmo can not
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It has nothing to do with the frequency, and every 3G GSM network has the capability to do voice and data at the same time. I assume in your case it's just bad coverage or she's not on 3G.
if you are connected to 3g you can use voice and data at the same time. its been this way for years. if you are on EDGE then you cannot. att and tmobile both are the same in this regard.
3g HSDPA has always been better because of this over verizon and sprint.