Hello Everyone,
I recently got my HTC Shift with Windows Vista Pre Loaded and it always seems to me a bit slow while running many stuffs together such as messenger with Internet explorer together. I don't tried loading any other windows yet. Can someone please confirm which is suferfast on HTC Shift? i.e; XP, Vista or Win7?
Thank you for your help....
In me experience XP is fastest, follwed by W7, and miles behind Vista. Currently I'm running Vista though...I tend to change every 6 weeks or so...I find once Vista has loaded ( a long time!) it isn't too bad for normal surfing or word processing. W7 started much quicker but I had some issues with it always trying to find the snapvue modem and not allowing me to access WiFi...a bizarre issue.
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
FOOFTR said:
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
mustking said:
Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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To me, W7 is the best compromise. You have all the functions, including touch screen writing, and better speed.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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Some of us had issues getting a resolution fix to work with our devices...so in Xp there is no standard way to change resolution. I agree with thaihugo that W7 is the best compromise and will buy a proper upgrade when it comes out (retail).
There is one thing you should know about windows 7 before loading it on your shift. It's terribly unstable for games, especially older ones.
I was able to get world of warcraft running on it, but every other classic game I've tried so far, crashes windows 7.
For everything that isn't gaming related, Windows 7 is great. But Windows Vista is the only operating system which will actually use the hardware of your shift in the right way.
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Win 7 new build
Are there still problems using Windows 7 newer builds on HTC Shift ?
On RC1 I had the following problems: Using or not using AERO, it crashes when accessing Windows Media Center [BSOD], also when runing AERO and button-switch resolutions.
Please if any post, say what build are you using and the problems you have.
I really really want to get along with Win7 on my HTC Shift but as much as I worked to fix those problems it still doesn't work properly.
PS: I will install Win7 in aprox 2weeks when the RTM release is on, and I want Ubuntu 9.04 too with dual boot.
I do NOT game with my HTC Shift, I use Windows for programming and stuff, and Ubuntu for browsing and some ssh. I really hope that Microsoft fix these problems and Windows 7 will run with no problems on HTC Shift
I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
WinMedCetner works IF you dont maximize to full screen, but you can stretch the window to almost full screen. (I know, sucky, but hey, its an answer right?)
Also, I can get the bubbles screen saver to work on shift, but you are all right, AERO does crash it....Not the worst of things to have to give up in my opinion, becuase I still get the Hover Thumbnail Preview for running Applications.
As for games, I'm not your man...I strictly stick to business programs, but have not had any problems with anythign I use, and there is a long list I ahve installed.
My vote is Go for W7! The absolute BEST thing you can do to your Shift!
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I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
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Thnx mate i am installing win7 now to my shift i am installing RC and let me see the magic
I will later also try to install win XP. actually my main concern is the most available ram to run my softwares... I run Yahoo, MSN, Internet Security and bunch of other programs....
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Here's the thing about windows 7. It seems that almost all of the issues that people have, are somehow related to the way win7 handles the shift's video drivers. What this means is, there's a strong chance that anything which requires graphical resources may end up blue screening the shift. This doesn't happen with vista. I'm not sure about XP, but it's a glaring problem for windows 7.
I know windows 7 wasn't designed for the shift, however, it's a shame to have the added efficiency of windows 7 on the shift, with such a disabling exception. Frankly, all of these issues are most certainly related to how windows 7 tries to use the shift's video accelerator.
My logic is, if Vista can do it, Windows 7 should technically be able to as well, the only problem is, Microsoft isn't in charge of driver research for the shift, HTC is. And to HTC, this is of no urgency, for more than one reason.
The shift isn't meant to run Win7, is the first reason, secondly, all development into the Shift and it's drivers has been abandoned. Basically, I don't think enough people bought a shift, which caused HTC to take the "good enough" attitude towards it. They're not going to put anymore effort into improving a device that *while cool and all* is far inferior to most netbooks out today.
Sure, the Shift is a pretty cool device after you come to XDA and enable the phone options and such, but frankly, it's half as powerful as a comparitively priced netbook, and out of the box, not as versatile on account of it's poor processing power. It's been labelled as a tablet PC, and only to it's user base is it known as so much more than that.
The possibilities of the shift are very great, but the effort needed to reach those possibilities is more than what is available today.
Personally, I'd like to see the shift have a second chance, and it would be cool if HTC felt the same. But from what I've seen on behalf of HTC, this is a cold case file for them. I guess I'll have to see what I can get done on my own from China, tonnes of talented programmers here who should be able to churn out results. I'm even prepared to begin hiring a couple programmers who've been affected by the financial crisis, and see about solving some issues which could most certainly be worked out.
This driver issue, is one that by all means of reason, should be solvable, so long as there is no severe OS function which is fundamentally flawed between Vista and Win7, as far as the Shift is concerned.
I suppose the next question would be, if I did try to get a project like this going, what other ideas of improvements could be thought of to improve the shift experience? I know people would like to see BT, Wifi and SD cards on the winmo side, that unfortunately would be an ongoing effort whereas I'm more concerned with working on finishable projects during the resolution of greater issues like winmo's BTWiFiSD problem.
Any ideas, or support would be greatly appreciated.
My next step, and possibly the most difficult, will be convincing my wife that buying another shift (for the programmers to work on) is actually a worthwhile thing. She's not into tech, and doesn't much like my addiction
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I like your enthusiasm with the Shift Caid. Truth be told its only Shift fans who know its goodness. Its like owning a Jeep. Nobody else can understand and when people ask questions they are simply told "IT'S A JEEP THING". So I guess ours too "IS A SHIFT THING". We still cherish our underpowered gadget even knowing its limitations. But honestly can I buy another Shift? I dont know. Even if my current shift was to somehow explode and burn into ashes I dont think I would replace it with another shift. Or maybe I would! But as long as I have it I will love it and continue to improve it.....
The biggest advantage with the Shift is when you plug a car charger into the cigarete lighter. There aren't many full fledged comps that you can charge with a 12V DC socket, you know.... I know there are DC-AC converters but thats a story for another day!
Now if only we can get a solution for BT-SD-Wifi winmo side........
Can I install Windows Vista Ultimate on the Shift. Love it.
Thanks
Hmm, I installes all of them, the most native. (Vista as an Upgrade to SP2 and Office 2007 SP2) And: It is the slowest what I known.
Windows 7 is nice, but with the newest RC we must rebuild the HowTo for installing Windows 7, some of the old original HTC Vista Homepage drivers not needed anymore.
best practice for all members here is, to make a Windows XP Slipstream to SP3, the modify the slipstreamed TabletPC Edition source with the programm nlite (and remove many not neccersary drivers and thems and so on, and build a bootable USB Stick Version with the small tool winsetupfromusb.
If work all together and have a look to the "last session" File of nlite, all people can have a really nice and "the fastest" and most compatible Windows XP Tablet edition multilanguage of all time.
Ans the builders of this perfect solution don´t need share their own TabletPC Edition product key, lets only have a look to the *.ini file of Nlite building, and many Ideas come together ;-)
Hi,
I am interested in installing Windows 7 on my Shift (mainly for performance reasons) as soon as its final version is released.
But I am simply lazy and don't want to reinstall and configure everything again in windows 7. So what about an upgrade installation from Vista to Windows 7?
I would expect that Win7 takes all the drivers from Vista and use them on its own. Would this work?
Does anyone of you has any experience with upgrading your Shift's Vista installation? What about the storage space? Can I remove the Vista backup (i don't mean the hidden restore image from HTC) after upgrading to Windows 7? For sure I will do an external backup from my current Vista setup before even touching Win7.
Upgrading does some problems that I will explain in like two words... but the main problem of it:
WAIT for Windows 7 RTM [13 July 2009] and FRESH install this. Upgrading not only takes more time, but also space, space that Shift doesn't have, however upgrading may cause some problems like immediately BSOD and some other ****.
Idea: I will fresh install Windows 7 RTM, and allocate two weeks of hard work for solving the problems, or the least most of them, the main problem is BSOD caused by interpolated resolution on Aero and some fullscreen application, with or without Aero, like Windows Media Center. For now... just waiting for Microsoft's product to be released
so, how about HTC Support ?
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Dear Sir or Madam As I own a HTC Shift, known also as HTC Clio 110, I would be really interested in your support for Windows 7, as Microsoft official RTM release will be available on 13 July 2009.
Me and the HTC Shift community are having problems with the video driver resulting in BSOD when operating on Windows 7 RC.
Hope that Microsoft or HTC resolv these issues as I really need something faster on this machine.
Thanks for your help and I look forward for your response.
Yours faithfully, Vlad DalvuS
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Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center.
Unfortunately there is no support for MS Windows 7 for the HTC Shift and there is no plans for Microsoft release an upgrade license to this device.
If you have further questions you can call our Call Center from a different handset. In http://www.htc.com/select_country.htm, select your country and then click on the Support tab.
Thank you once again for your continued patronage.
Best regards,
Europe customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division
This is so bad.
It is 2009 and I never want to setup windows on my PC again. Working and reliable upgrades should be Microsoft's next focus.
Hi there. I have upgraded my Shift's Vista to Windows 7 and thankfully you where absolutely wrong.
I just wrote down my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4376405#post4376405
The upgrade took long 3 hours but afterwards everything went well. Seems like Microsoft improved the upgrade procedure in Windows 6.x more than the people expected.
LordDeath said:
Hi there. I have upgraded my Shift's Vista to Windows 7 and thankfully you where absolutely wrong.
I just wrote down my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4376405#post4376405
The upgrade took long 3 hours but afterwards everything went well. Seems like Microsoft improved the upgrade procedure in Windows 6.x more than the people expected.
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Hi
Thanks for your experiences note. I appreciate it.
Thanks
Ram
Hi everyone
I want to buy this phone, but before that I would like to know from you guys
if you found any disadvantages of it ??
and is it really that I cannot use bluetooth to send file and music ...atc things
because WM 7 dont support it ????
wish you all to help me..
Hi, I got my HD7 delivered this afternoon and have traditionallly used HTC hardware from the HTC Exec upwards. The thing about the so called all singing, all dancing HD7 is that it's made in the guise of an iphone which means that unlike previous HTC's and windows OS you cannot interrogate this phone at all.
You have no access to the storage space, you can't arbitrarily use certain types of apps other than the limited few on the market place. Any exchange or updating of information has to be done via Zune or Windows Live.
Example : A great little app by the name of PIM Backup. Backed up email, sms's, any callse made that day, tasks, contacts.....basically any change of information was backed up automatically that day when you scheduled. You could even port the back ups to other HTC devices. Now, unless you've got a windows live account, you can't back up or sync previous information........not even via active sync as the usb on the HTC is purely for charging the phone and not for communication.
Windows Media Player has always been piss poor on all HTC devices so a beautiful little app call TCPMP allowed you to do all the things windows player couldn't do i.e play various types of media files without the need for conversion.......now, you can't use it because there's no way to port it onto your device.
In a nutshell you've got no controll over the device or the hardward and the phone itself is frustratingly poor.
Will happily sell this phone to anyone who wants to buy it off me as can't send it back now as it's my second choice after returning an equally poor Dell Steak.
Go for the HD2..................beautiful piece of hardware and fully customisable and can be plugged directly into PC via usb which gives you access to the storage on the phone itself.
I think the best option would be to read the many reviews online and also look at videos on Youtube. There are also websites that allow you to browse the Windows Market place so you can get a feel for what apps are available.
I have had my HD7 for 2 months now (since launch) and even though there are a few bugs and like the poster above said this phone is locked down, I wouldn't part with it now. Apps are appearing all the time (remember it's 2 months old, so pretty much a baby, Android and Apple are much older and dated looking systems), MS hasn't yet released any bug fixes or improvements but they are on the way.
Unlike the poster above, I think the HD7 is much better than the HD2 with WM 6.5, I have been a Windows Mobile (WinCE) users for about 10 years, the HD2 finally was the best Windows Mobile phone ever! The problem? Windows Mobile is dead! If you buy an HD2 now you're wasting your money. Outside of xda-devs, no one is developing for it anymore. Yes you can fudge Androind onto the HD2 (which I have), but that's just like having Windows Mobile anyway. Go figure!!!
If you want something to customise to hell, go for Android, if you want a phone that is groundbreaking go for WP7, if you want a phone with a well (and now looking dated) echo system, then go for Apple.
Or why don't you find a store that will let you hold one to try?
There is also this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847822 (note: it is the sticky of this forum) to look at.
Closed because there are enough of these thread.
Lumia 820 jailbroken, it worked but it was not so smoothly and doesn't even good for jail broken. I tried my lumia 820 jail broken damn delay
Need have a good processor and good ram only jail break will get a good result
Um... assuming you mean Developer Unlock then yes it is actually possible. My Lumia 920 is dev unlocked (or as you call "Jailbroken"). I cannot seem to understand the second part, are you claiming that your device became slower after the dev unlock and you want to upgrade your processor and RAM?
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Um... assuming you mean Developer Unlock then yes it is actually possible. My Lumia 920 is dev unlocked (or as you call "Jailbroken"). I cannot seem to understand the second part, are you claiming that your device became slower after the dev unlock and you want to upgrade your processor and RAM?
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UM... Seriously updated to JAILBROKEN will be delay, so I updated my window phone with RAM, Processor can't be update
So you can try many fun in window phone, it many fun in window phone like computer :0
I don't know what your native language is, but could you please type your post in that and then use an online translator to English? I can't understand what you're trying to say at all. You can't upgrade the RAM in a Windows Phone (or any other phone that I know of) unless you just mean switching models. It has nothing to do with dev-unlock or any other "jailbreak" sort of feature anyhow. There's no "jailbreak" for Windows Phone 8 right now, although there is an official Developer Unlock feature which allows a limited number of low-permission sideloaded apps. Despite the name, Windows Phone is not much like Windows; there's no Desktop mode, you can't access the file system or registry except through the extremely low-privilege (sandboxed) apps and the indirect control of the Settings (Control Panel, basically) section. You certainly can't run Windows (Client, as in, desktop/laptop PC) software on Windows Phone, even with developer unlock.
Please help me
i cant update my pc to windows 7
but i want project my screen for windows xp
or if anyone know any other software to record windows phone screen then please say me
TIA
Dude, if you're still running XP (which is 14 years old and unsupported, with serious known security issues) you have much bigger problems than not being able to record your phone's screen.
Considering that Win8.1 will run on any computer manufactured in the last eight years or so, and that you can buy an entire Win8.1 machine for less than $300 even at full retail pricing, I'm skeptical of your claim that you *can't* upgrade.