I'm starting college next month (I'm 18) and I'm trying to decide which laptop to purchase.
I had a thought about the Asus Transformer tablet/dock combo as I wanted to remain in the android modding field, but then I kinda realised that it's not going to be powerful enough, so my mind switched to a solid laptop/notebook instead.
I think I need a 14-15 inch led screen with core 2nd gen i5 (i7 is too expensive for me.) and as lightweight as possible. I'm going to be doing Bachelor in Electronic and Communication Engineering so the graphics should be good enough for some engineering drawings and picture editing, and for some nice gaming if possible. I don't have any knowledge about graphic cards, cache memory and RAM stuff btw. I'm thinking something not above $1000.
Which good models do you guys recommend me?
PS: I don't want Mac stuff, I need Windows 7 to work.
EDIT on 2nd of September:
Sorry to revive this old thread, but fact is, I still haven't purchased my laptop.
I'm looking for something (at max $1000) with core i5 and some other good specs as well as those 2 things:
1. HD webcam
2. backlit keyboard.
Those are very important. Thank you
I am a very happy owner of the Dell XPS 17 which I found really powerful, more than enough for gaming as well, and right now is probably one of the best choice on the market (from what the reviews said as well).
Anyway, you can start to customize the 15" inch version, the XPS 15 ,from 899$ with and I5 second generation (Sandybridge) and an Nvidia GeForce GT 550M 1GB RAM with Optimus Technology (saves battery).
it offers USB 3.0 as well, with the latest HDMI 1.4, card reader,1600x900p resolution screen, excellent Audio with Sub, and comes with a HD webcam integrated for HD video calls.
Enought for gaming (medium settings) and decent professional rendering.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-l702x/pd?oc=dndokq1&model_id=xps-l702x
Hope it helped.
Really nice reply, I'm having a look at the XPS 15 right now, thank you very much. I tried running some search, came across the Lenovo IdeaPad 14" and the HP ENVY 14. What do you think about those?
I heard from user opinions that Dell are pretty good, and HP's build quality is kinda bad. I'm searching for some more models.
I had a look at the Alienware 14", kinda expensive for a laptop with no multitouch input :/
HP in general, is famous to have issues cooling problems, but not obviously on every model, Dell is definitely not a "saint" but they do the job, and from what I have read and my experience, they do it well.
The Alienware 14" is a good choice and it does have the same GPU on my XPS 17, which is the Nvidia 555M 3GB (pretty powerful card).
I wouldn't recommend thus a 14".
If you are planning to use it for casual gaming, but specially for professional rendering the resolution of the screen, is generally 1200x800, which is too low (HP Envy 14"; Lenovo IdeaPad), and it does bother you, if you have ever seen a 1080p or at least a 900p.
The alienware does have a 900p resolution, but you have to pay more.
With the alienware 14", anyway you will end up to have a smaller screen , which for a less amount of money you could get for a 15" inch with a very decent specs.
I also read in other forums people not really recommend a 14" inches, or at least they wouldn't buy it again. But this is just an individual opinion, depends entirely on you.
Personally, stick with the 15" and at least a 900p resolution, which you can find already in the basic configuration for a 899$, in the XPS 15, and if you want to reach a 1000$ customize it to have more power, except RAM, which you can upgrade by yourself for a cheaper price.
I have a 14" HP laptop and I love the size and portability... but the battery life is abominable. It gets maybe 90 minutes to a charge. I wouldn't recommend one for college use where you're going to be mobile for hours at a time.
My work laptop is a 14" Dell and I learned last week I can get 6 hours out of my battery (forgot to plug it in).
One thing to keep in mind with 15" or larger laptops is alot of them include a numpad with the keyboard these days. That means the QWERTY part of the keyboard is off-center to the left. I find this awkward to type on. I would recommend trying out this type of keyboard before committing to it.
dx0 said:
One thing to keep in mind with 15" or larger laptops is alot of them include a numpad with the keyboard these days. That means the QWERTY part of the keyboard is off-center to the left.
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As far as I know, only 17" has it, because of their size.
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As far as I know, only 17" has it, because of their size.
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I know of two people with 15.4" laptops that have a numpad. One is an Acer and the other is an HP.
My gateway 15.6" has full num pad. Nv35a is the model number. Beast of a computer. Triple core amd ati radeon 4250 hd 500 gb hdd, 4gb ram stock. Paid 439 from tiger direct
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I had a look at the Gateway,I'm not much into the design.
Checked out the Dell XPS 15z, looks pretty awesome. My favourite choice till now. The numberpad isnt a problem for me. Anyone else with nice advices? You guys are really helping me out.
the higher end sony vaios are pretty good
Always had a vaio. Never had a complaint
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+1 on vaio. Ill still take my gateway.
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get the new sony vaio they are pretty nice
Just to throw another option in here, here is what I am looking to buy soon.
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np5165-clevo-w150hr-p-3063.html
Beast of a computer just make sure to order the OS with it unless you have a license on you.
many vaio fans. i will agree but with the 8" portable ones as there quick and compact. lots of ref book guides use the windows format thats included in a disk....
It depends...what do you want to do with this laptop?
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Sorry to revive this old thread, but fact is, I still haven't purchased my laptop.
I'm gonna have a look at the VAIOs. I'm looking for something (at max $1000) with core i5 and some other good specs as well as those 2 things:
1. HD webcam
2. backlit keyboard.
Those are very important. Thank you
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Have a look through here to see if anything foots the bill. You'll not get better reviews:
http://www.anandtech.com/tag/mobile
Get asus
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Not sure if this will work for you but I just bought an Asus with an i5 on sale at best buy for 479. Integrated graphics but still it was a hell of a deal and I grabbed one. I'm very pleased with it. Ill look for a link.
http://bit.ly/rnk5Cq
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I didn't think the nook color would play higher end games, but so far I'm really impressed. I have the following running quite well so far:
Raging Thunder 2
Asphalt 5
N.O.V.A.
Dungeon Hunter
Dungeon Defenders
Krazy Kart Racing
Pool Break Pro
Oh, and the graphically intense Angry Birds and Angry Birds seasons...
It also runs the Snesoid/Gensoid/Nesoid emulators perfectly. I wasn't expecting that just looking at the clockspeed (800mhz)
I'm not surprised because I know that the NC contains the same PowerVR GPU that the Mid-Range Droid X / Droid 2 devices do. I've run "Dungeon Defenders" (first game powered by Unreal Engine and more graphically intense than Angry Birds) and it runs fairly smooth. The high end devices like those of the Galaxy S family have even more powerful PowerVR GPU and run it better of course. The PowerVR GPU model in Apple's products is between the NC and the SGS family if anyone is interested.
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I'm not surprised because I know that the NC contains the same PowerVR GPU that the Mid-Range Droid X / Droid 2 devices do. I've run "Dungeon Defenders" (first game powered by Unreal Engine and more graphically intense than Angry Birds) and it runs fairly smooth. The high end devices like those of the Galaxy S family have even more powerful PowerVR GPU and run it better of course. The PowerVR GPU model in Apple's products is between the NC and the SGS family if anyone is interested.
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The latest generation of Apple products actually use virtually the same processor as the Hummingbird found in the Samsung products. They use the same PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
But Apple seems to set mystery clocks on their A4 chips that appear to vary depending on the device. So the iPad's CPU/GPU appear to be clocked higher than the iPhone's. The iPhone may or may not dynamically clock up though based on what I've read.
An iPad should have identical performance to a Galaxy Tab though as far as raw hardware power goes. Any differences are likely purely in software.
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It also runs the Snesoid/Gensoid/Nesoid emulators perfectly. I wasn't expecting that just looking at the clockspeed (800mhz)
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Id be mad if it couldnt handle those, my old 200mhz Wing managed that.
tekdemon said:
The latest generation of Apple products actually use virtually the same processor as the Hummingbird found in the Samsung products. They use the same PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
An iPad should have identical performance to a Galaxy Tab though as far as raw hardware power goes. Any differences are likely purely in software.
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Not quite true, the A4 iOS line is still using a SGX535 (same as the 3GS). Capable GPU, bit better than the 530 on the Nook Color (and Moto Droid line) but not up to par with the 540 on the Galaxy Hummingbird in terms of specs (it's about half as fast as the 540).
But, unlike the 540, the 535 is actually being used for UI acceleration on the iOS devices, giving them that trademark smoothness in everyday use, making iOS devices feel much faster than Android.
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Not quite true, the A4 iOS line is still using a SGX535 (same as the 3GS). Capable GPU, bit better than the 530 on the Nook Color (and Moto Droid line) but not up to par with the 540 on the Galaxy Hummingbird in terms of specs (it's about half as fast as the 540).
But, unlike the 540, the 535 is actually being used for UI acceleration on the iOS devices, giving them that trademark smoothness in everyday use, making iOS devices feel much faster than Android.
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From what I could find it's only slightly better than the 530 and merely amounts to a slight clock freq increase... the 540 was PowerVR's big perf change.
Anyways, I'm not surprised that these games run OK given that this is likely the level of hw that they were targeted at. Next year might bring some problems as more games will be targeted at Tegra 2.
game performance of NC is great, but I hate the poor video playback capabilities, I admire Samsung galaxy can play 720p mkv files without any problem because most of my movies are 720p mkv files.
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game performance of NC is great, but I hate the poor video playback capabilities, I admire Samsung galaxy can play 720p mkv files without any problem because most of my movies are 720p mkv files.
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I broke down and picked one up yesterday, but it's going back since I'm finding it way too hard to insert the mini-USB and couldn't manage it at all this morning. Anyways, NC is nowhere near as fast as Tegra 2. It's not bad, definitely better than ARM11, but still... not even close to Tegra 2...
...going to give B&N one more shot at not trying to sell sh!t quality for $250...
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It also runs the Snesoid/Gensoid/Nesoid emulators perfectly. I wasn't expecting that just looking at the clockspeed (800mhz)
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Where can I get the emulators?
bassrebel said:
Where can I get the emulators?
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Either get market going, or find them elsewhere online... IIRC they're paid apps, but there might be some free ones for Genesis, SNES, & gb...
(Got a replacement NC. Idiot guy in the store was trying to tell no, thats as far as it goes, it's OK... so I asked got power? Yep. Plug it in. See no nice shiny LED lighting up on the cable... tries their store charger same deal as my cable, tries the demo unit and in it goes...
I tried the new one's cable BEFORE I left the store this time, but when I got home and started it charging I find that I have one with the SUPER sensitive touch screen...)
I haven't been too happy with gaming performance on this. Mostly because many of my games look like this...
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They don't play full screen and look bad. That screenshot was from Raging Thunder 2 Lite.
Wonder if the Spare Parts trick we used for the Galaxy Tab will work on the NC.
I'm not rooted* and don't plan to be or I'd test it.
But basically, you install Spare Parts from the Market, fire it up, check Compatibility mode if it is unchecked, or uncheck it if it checked, reboot the device, then un-check or check Compatibility mode one more time, reboot again, and it will start stretching apps to full screen.
*Not rooting because I already have the far more capable, faster, lighter/smaller Galaxy Tab for full-on tablet duties. The dirt cheap Nook Color is probably going to be my dedicated bathroom device (replacing my Kindle WiFi) for throne and tub reading. I won't miss the eInk at all indoors, so the Kindle will now be just for camping trips thanks to its incredible battery life and outdoor-friendly display.
camwinnn said:
Id be mad if it couldnt handle those, my old 200mhz Wing managed that.
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only reason im suprised it runs the "oid" emulators so well is because they run pitifully slow on my android phone running at 600mhz. naturally i concluded that the app required alot of juice to run properly. maybe its a software problem on my phone
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I haven't been too happy with gaming performance on this. Mostly because many of my games look like this...
They don't play full screen and look bad. That screenshot was from Raging Thunder 2 Lite.
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Yeah, spare parts & the compatibility setting gets you full screen, or at least in everything that I've tried on various devices so far, and no incompatibilities yet either.
Ravynmagi said:
I haven't been too happy with gaming performance on this. Mostly because many of my games look like this...
They don't play full screen and look bad. That screenshot was from Raging Thunder 2 Lite.
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Yeah, you need to do the Spare Parts fix (that's what I did). All of the games I listed play fullscreen (Raging Thunder 2 included) and are the HD versions. They actually look and play great.
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I broke down and picked one up yesterday, but it's going back since I'm finding it way too hard to insert the mini-USB.
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LOL! That's probably because it's a Micro-USB rather than Mini-USB. They're similar connectors but are certainly different enough that you won't succeed in inserting one into the other. I certainly wouldn't fault B&N or the NC for that.
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Anyways, NC is nowhere near as fast as Tegra 2.
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It was never advertised as such or intended to be. It's common knowledge (especially here) that the NC only sports a PowerVR 530 (unlike the 535 in the iPad). The Tegra 2 is even faster than the 540. Of course the NC wouldn't be anywhere near as fast. LOL! Perhaps, you should return just return the NC and purchase an actual tablet like the ViewSonic G-Tablet with it's awful screen for much more $$$ instead of an E-Reader if you have such high expectations.
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Perhaps, you should return just return the NC and purchase an actual tablet like the ViewSonic G-Tablet with it's awful screen for much more $$$ instead of an E-Reader if you have such high expectations.
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God, I couldn't believe how bad the G-Tablet screen was. Bought one from Office Depot when visiting my family for Christmas, because my Dad fell in love with my Galaxy Tab, and I thought it would make a nice gift for him. The display unit was locked down to the kiosk tight, so I was always looking at it from above in landscape mode.
Lucky for me, I decided to play with it and get it set up for him before wrapping it. Made me sick how bad it was off-angle, not to mention the blizzard of force closes on the very first boot up. Took it back and got him an Acer 10" netbook instead, which he does love.
I'm positive B&N is losing money on the NC, based on what they had to have spent on the display alone. Somebody there bought a clue or two when they opted for high-end parts and farmed out the industrial design to a real design firm. I imagine they've sold thousands upon thousands of these things just on the look and feel, functionality be damned. I know that's why I impulse bought one even though I already own and love a Galaxy Tab.
What is the fix? I am wanting to get magic gem to play full screen. I downloaded spare parts from the market but didn't see any option that would help.
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ethion said:
What is the fix? I am wanting to get magic gem to play full screen. I downloaded spare parts from the market but didn't see any option that would help.
sent from nook color
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10224035&postcount=13
Hey everyone,
I got my first laptop about 6 months back and in comparison to it my desktop just feels slow! My Desire HD even feels quicker! I have about £300 pounds to spend on an upgrade but I am not sure how to have the biggest effect on my system. At the moment I have...
Intel Core2 Duo 6600
Asus P5W-DH Deluxe
GeForce 9800 GTX+
2x 1GB OCZ PC-2 6400 Platinum
Western Digital Raptor 74GB (OS)
2x Samsung F1, 1Tb in Raid 1 (Main)
Enermax Liberty 500W
I use this machine for the normal office and web activities, as an FTP server to serve my media to laptop and phone, and occasional video encoding. I have two ideas about what to upgrade...
1) Swap my raptor for a SSD and chuck in a new Core 2, Quad Core CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1427
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=6&subcat=567
2) Make the move to i5 (Mobo, CPU and Memory) and sacrifice getting a SSD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
I guess it all comes down to how good the SSD is? Anyways, I just wanted your opinions?
Thanks
Ed
32gb corsair/ocz ssd and 2-4gb extra ram , maybe a q6600 (they go for dirt cheap and oc nicely)
this should be about 200-220 pounds , any money spent higher than that this on an upgrade is unreasonable
also with ssd , as long as its a brand the newer the better , make sure ur not gettin some 1-2 yr old leftover from stock
My primary drive with my OS on is currently 74 GB. This is the perfect size for me as it's always got 60 - 70 GB of data on. If I get a SSD I would probably want it to be a similar size. 32 GB just seems too small. Maybe something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-059-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
Also with the new Intel G3 and new Sandforce controllers coming out I figured current generation SSD's will drop a bit in price. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
It's interesting you suggested memory. For some stupid reason it didn't come to mind that I am just scraping Windows 7's minimum requirements. I guess its things like that which make me always ask on forums first! A fresh 4 GB ram would probably help a lot more than an upgraded CPU. I was looking at something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-026-KS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-096-GL&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
Geil has better timings but I have heard good things about Kingston HyperX...
This CPU and memory comes in at under £200 well below my budget and will probs make the world of difference! All the feedback I can get is appreciated!
Former lead tech at Asus phone technical support says this:
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226103 (x2)
Sound Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102034
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551
you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
also there decent enuff 775 cpu's to make the jump to am3 or intel i series unreasoned
and coming from a 3.5gb ddr1 400 config to a 2gb , later 6gb ddr3 1600 config i can tell the speed of the ram is hardly noticable , the trouble starts when it runs out
souljaboy said:
you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
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Very true! Also with the price of that recommended mobo, CPU and RAM in the UK I could get for a similar amount the core i5 option I found which is probably better...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
Instead I like the sound of the cheaper option (SSD and RAM). That would probably fit my demands, and if not I can make another upgrade and carry across the SSD.
Has anyone got a convincing argument to not go for a SSD and 4Gb RAM?
keep the 2gb , and ull have 6 .
Can I do that? Would you put the new memory sticks in A1 and B1, and the old sticks in A2 and B2. That way the total in channel A would equal the total in channel B?
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new rams go in orange old in black and you should be gettin dual channel ... ull need a 64bit os tho
any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.
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any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.
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ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones
Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.
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ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones
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I was worried the same thing would happen to me. Everyone I have spoken to who made the jump to a SSD has been amazed.
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Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.
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I have 2TB of media but my plan is to put OS on SSD and media on other drives. That setup should use SSD effectively. I agree completely with the rest of your post. I would love a nice new 'REALLY' good SandyBridge CPU, Mobo and RAM but that will blow my budget apart. By getting a good SSD it will stay for a while and be transferable from any system to any system too.
If I am unhappy with SSD choice I can always save again and make the move to SandyBridge at a later date.
I want so steer the whole conversation in a new direction now...
What SSD would people recommend?
Im struggling with my SSD choice. I know good solid options are the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive. I can get both of these in 80Gb options for about £170.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-004-IN&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-057-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
I know that for the same price I can get the new Intel SSD's in a 120GB variant but reviews suggest that the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive both beat the new Intel. As my aim is performance and as i dont need that extra space on my primary drive i have ruled it out.
The question is should I future proof my buy by stretching my budget to an OCZ Vertex 3.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-071-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1427
What do you all think?
Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?
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Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?
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They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!
get a modded os for perf ;-) like modded roms
edcoppen said:
They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!
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Haha Aweome although... Is your motherboard DDR3 or 2 compatible? If it's DDR3 don't get that, it wontwotk haha, plus... Check amazon too... Last week I got 8GB DDR3 1333mhz for £65
haha naa... I signed up like last week too they're okay, helped me out on some stuff
Also xda is full of nerds and stuff so yeah... Your very likley r to get a response here
Hey guys. I'm wondering if anyone has personal experience with the amd fx 4100 or that series? Or even the phenom ii vs a core i5? I have only seen benchmarks and opinions based on benchmarks. But as we all know benchmarks can be incredibly biased and flawed I need something reliable that can process stuff (for games) decently fast. Before we get into the other things that matter I will be getting decent ram either way and a mobo that works well with the processor. Please just hit me up with personal experience thanks guys
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I have a Phenom ii x6 1100t and it screams.
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Okay thanks for the move and the reply. Spec wise including the l3 cache tells me it is awesome by the people keep saying it blows once again most of the crap people are talking is based on benchmarks... So I think it's mostly poorly educated individuals on it I was planning to build an amd comp but after all the negative It's starting to make me second guess the specs : / thanks though anymore input would also be appreciated!
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Are you looking for a drop in replacment for your current CPU or are you planning on a total upgrade; Mobo, CPU, the lot?
The obvious choice is the Intel 'Sandybridge' i5-2500K, or 2600K if you do a lot of Multi-threaded work like transcoding. You can expect to get between 4-4.5Ghz out of one of these without any problems.
If you can wait a while, the new 'Ivybridge' chips aren't too far away and the platform will bring native USB3 among other things.
Thanks looking to actually build a new pc. Mostly gaming and routine tasks. Currently running a Q6600 Intel processor with some stock mobo. Probably nothing good. I just need something that works well I honestly don't need anything too intense I may go with the fx 6100, i can get one for $100 near here.
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Thanks looking to actually build a new pc. Mostly gaming and routine tasks. Currently running a Q6600 Intel processor with some stock mobo. Probably nothing good. I just need something that works well I honestly don't need anything too intense I may go with the fx 6100, i can get one for $100 near here.
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Do not, i repeat, do NOT buy an AMD 'Bulldozer' FX. They are a total disaster generally, but even worse for gaming!
i5-2500K is hands down the best bang for buck that you will get right now.
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I agree, while I am an AMD fan because of the pricing, you would definitely enjoy a 2500k. Pair it up with a nice mobo and a good gpu and you'll be set, 4 or 8Gb of RAM at 1600mhz will be great for anything you are doing. I highly suggest investing in a solid state drive, if you told us your budget I could spec something out for you. And NEVER skimp out on the power supply, you want a high quality psu always, corsair is well known for good psu's.
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So question here is why is the bulldozer such a disaster like what's the problem with them? Does anyone know what's causing the performance failure? And i want to say my budget is about 400 I could budge a little though
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Do not, i repeat, do NOT buy an AMD 'Bulldozer' FX. They are a total disaster generally, but even worse for gaming!
i5-2500K is hands down the best bang for buck that you will get right now.
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I appreciate the image once again I'm hoping for actual experience use not benchmarks because I've seen about a million benchmarks as to why I should get the i5 2500k despite it having a higher price tag.
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Experience use? You'll have to go with the reviewers and their benchmarks on that one. As for user reviews, you won't be seeing many. Why? Because nobody in their right minds is buying into Bulldozer when a better performing SandyBridge can be had for less money!
Call me old fashioned if you want. But my AMD Phenom II x4 965 quad-core processor still kicks ass!
I'm not into benchmarking statistics because they don't measure everyday performance after everyday use. To me, the real concern should be "After months of use, will my PC perform just as fast as it did the 1st day it came out of the box?" I can say for my PC, it does perform just as fast as it did on day 1. That's because I did the research on all the components and planned my build very carefully. My PC is now 3 years old and I still get to enjoy the blazing speeds that it can deliver!
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Experience use? You'll have to go with the reviewers and their benchmarks on that one. As for user reviews, you won't be seeing many. Why? Because nobody in their right minds is buying into Bulldozer when a better performing SandyBridge can be had for less money!
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Yeah I gotcha for sure. I just don't get it all but okay i'll have to figure it all out. I do appreciate the info though sorry if my request was unclear. But I appreciate it. Thank you I don't see much for deals on pc parts this black friday curses! Oh well
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Call me old fashioned if you want. But my AMD Phenom II x4 965 quad-core processor still kicks ass!
I'm not into benchmarking statistics because they don't measure everyday performance after everyday use. To me, the real concern should be "After months of use, will my PC perform just as fast as it did the 1st day it came out of the box?" I can say for my PC, it does perform just as fast as it did on day 1. That's because I did the research on all the components and planned my build very carefully. My PC is now 3 years old and I still get to enjoy the blazing speeds that it can deliver!
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Thanks yeah I get you and I agree. Although I think consistent performance is based on more than processor but I think that's what you were saying as well.
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Thanks yeah I get you and I agree. Although I think consistent performance is based on more than processor but I think that's what you were saying as well.
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Sorry if I didn't clarify myself. Consistent performance is based on the components of the computer system as a whole. I just used the processor as an example since we were talking about CPUs.
Remember i asked about the possibility of a drop in upgrade? If your current board will support Bulldozer CPU's, (which it might as the Socket is backwards compatable), and if your current CPU is pretty weak compared to the FX, it makes for a sensible upgrade path to buy one.
The reason i add this is because the money saved doing that, rather than buying a whole new system, can be spent on an SSD for your Primary Drive. You talk about the performance of the system as a whole. Well, that's the most important upgrade you could make right now.
The IO sub-system has been the bottleneck in modern computers for years. Once we had multi-core processing, more memory bandwidth than you can shake a stick at and Graphics power to run pretty much anything, it all went to pot as soon as you had two applications trying to access your HDD at the same time. Playing a game when your virus scanner started up? The game becomes a chundering mess!
I'm on my second SSD now and it's the wisest money i ever invested in my PC. If you want an all round improvement, something that makes every second of PC use more pleasing, buy an SSD.
Of course, every time i have to use the work PC now, i end up wanting to kick the crap out of it for being so lacking in comparison.
Okay thanks yeah I go nuts when I have to use the work computer already. Well for $100 the fx 6100 can't be too bad and I'd get 20% off a motherboard. My main desire there is I really want mobo that supports ddr3 so I can upgrade my terrible ram too. And yeah i'd want an ssd probably sata iii was the dream. Any thoughts on this, I'd probably get a 64g one would this be decently sufficient, also has anyone checked out the Seagate monentus xt? I don't plan on getting it but yeah just curious.
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Don't skimp on size. 64GB won't be sufficient. Buy reliability and size rather than speed. i.e an Intel 320 160GB (SATA 2) > Any 64GB SATA 3.
Hmm okay i think I found a 120gb one i'll probably go with decent reviews and such. And I would like sata iii just because it will have more future use, but is the sata ii pretty good compared to a normal hdd?
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Now I got all of your attention with a vague subject header
4 months ago, I bought a samsung galaxy i9000 because, prior to that I was on an E72, so anyway wow, world of difference, but on my I9000, I can play pretty much all the high end games, for now at least, i'm not a serious gamer, so to me, amazing graphics as it is..
At the time I bought the I9000 because I wanted to be plan free, but now my contract on the E72 ran out and now I can upgrade... should I buy a Galaxy S2?
Given that Dual Core ARM processor support for apps is fairly limited, I can't really imagine most tasks requiring more than 1gig of CPU power, I can watch divx, play games, GPS, it's pretty much all perfect, except with the odd couple of hangs the I9000 gets every now and then I love my galaxy so much lol...
So can anyone give me 3 realistic reasons to upgrade?, be as technical as you wish, I know the hardware it supports, I just need to validate my need to buy a new phone yes, games will load faster, but still.. they work just fine if you wait an extra 10 seconds for the game to load?..
Reasons for upgrading? please?
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1gb ram, you can run more stuff, active development, ics
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ok let's reword it a little, what could i /do/ that i can't do now albeit a little laggier and slower, that includes the ICS port for the i9000
I own a GTI-9000 myself, and my wife owns a GTI-9100. I have played around with her phone quite a bit and the nicest thing about it is the speed. Everything is snappier, loads faster, and seems to just perform better all around. Not to mention you get a bigger screen. 4" to 4.5" is a decent enough difference, especially for HD gaming.
Couple that if you get the Galaxy Nexus you get factory ICS. No need to root or do anything fancy to get it to work. Plus everything works 100% with full support.
Honestly if I could upgrade I would. I like my wife's phone more than mine. Basically if you really like your GTI-9000, there's no reason a better version of it wouldn't be of value to you. That's how I feel about it.
Aside from stock ics, camera and better cpu I don't think there's anything else worth noting (except you got a new look ) But for some games you just can't play it with I9000 like Asphalt 6: Adrenaline HD (I was crying when its price drop to 10c to celebrate 10 billion downloads on the android market T^T) There's more but I think if you browse the market with your phone you will not find it cuz it only show the ones you can play. As for stock ICS, I think Samsung ROM won't beat the CM team's ROM anyway :X
thanks for the replies...
you know what, I was curious about what you said about Asphalt 6 (still sounds like a rude word to me lol) anyway, I actually installed it and ran it, it's actually quite smooth on my I9000, but I usually idle around 100-129meg free using a combination of killing event application triggers (eg keeping keeping certain apps from launching on power save features on a rooted device), and advanced task manager..
Anyway, Asphalt 6 is actually smoothish occasionally, it drops a fps and you can see it jerk, but it only lasts for a split second... i also tried 'Fast 5' try that on the galaxy 2, on my I9000, i'd have to say the game is playable at a pinch, the framerate is simply not cutting it...
So, then, I have to upgrade my entire phone for 1 single game then lol
look, I'll give you guys an example...
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^^ my phone, Samsung Galaxy I9000 (16gb version, 4 months old, came with 2.3 now on 2.3.3, now my 3D graphics score is 1106.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4a-sphr07c
above is the new galaxy nexus, which has a dual core, it has a faster cpu, by rights, it should really own a phone as old as the i9000 fair to say..
but, if you break, it down you'll see that the nexus's GPU power only gives it's a slight boost, 3D 1226 on the galaxy nexus, and on a humble I9000 GS, we have 1106..
Now what gives the impression of a superior score, is of course, double/triple the memory and significant IO/read/writes.., when it comes to Asphalt 6 on the I9000 vs I91000, there's really not much difference on that game...
but when it comes to I9000 and the I91000 for say Fast 5 and next generation games which use the dual cores properly and efficiently, then we will see leaps and bounds between single cores and dual/quad..
But we're all playing the catch up game, and the catch up game really is the I91000 so most games and most programs will run perfectly on the i9000 i should suspect albiet it may take 2x as long to load up, 2x long to run, and only 80% as smooth as the I91000...
Or maybe I just have a freaky ARM processor and everyone elses I9000 is significantly slower GPU than the one i have... no idea.... i might go investigate that now... (after investigation, it's average i9000).... so there you go
You are operating under the assumption that benchmark scores actually mean anything significant.
The Galaxy S and Galaxy Nexus use the same GPU though.
S2 rocks
you should upgrade to s2 because :-
1. better camera with LED flash
2. bigger display with AMOLED+ display
3. 1GB ram to make it lagfree
4. high GPU for heavy games
5. DUAL core proc...1.2 which can be overclock to 1.5 if you want
6. vast list of custom rom to finish the word lag from your phone
i think they are enough for you...i still have many points!!
hit thanks if i was helpful to you.
update, we ordered the upgrade.. $29AUD a month with a $4 data plan (we already have 2 phones 2 plans, we don't need to make that many phone calls so the cheapest plan works out just fine for us, since calling each other 24/7 is free)
That works out to about $33 USD a month at the current exchange rate.. $0 upfront for the phone, but... the catch is it will be on a 12month plan, but since this phone will keep up with the competition concerning applications support dual core, I think this phone will be a worthy competitor for playing games on even 3 years off.. maybe near the bottom of the list of the benchmarks, but will be one hell of a player of the high range cheaper phones.... playing even the latest of games i'm sure...
i will buy me every version of galaxy s!
y? because im a fan of them
but for real there is no reason for me to change to s2...
It's tax time, I'm a tech geek who has spent most of the last few years playing ps3 and hacking android, now I'd like to get into pc gaming. My gf plays wow on a budget laptop(Intel p6100 lol) so she d like to upgrade too. I'm looking for a desktop and she's looking for a laptop. Our budgets are 1500 each. She's pretty much sold on the m17x, probably because it's pretty lol. I'm looking for something a little more powerful I think? I'd like to play new games at as close to max settings as possible. Like bf3, skyrim, star wars, etc... I've been looking into ibuypower, but I've read mixed reviews... Here's what I've put together for a deaktop
NZXT Alpha Gaming Case Black Intel Core i7 2600k processor Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1155] 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module AMD Radeon HD 6970 - 2GB ASUS P8Z68-V LX -- Lucid Virtu Technology 1000 Watt - Extreme Gaming Series 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) 64-Bit Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks [+$10]
Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower Achieve exceptional airflow in your chassis [+$19]
Basic Pro Wiring
I'm totally new to this pc gaming thing, so if I totally screwed something up lemme know lol. I plan on playing on my 32 inch lcd at 1080p any advice on my setup or the wife's alienware would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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Good enough
And the vga? Radeon?
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Nice box. But I recommend you to install W7 Pro instead Home version because Pro has a lot of good addition, such as Remote Desktop (you can access your box from anywhere on port 3389 without additional stuff) and many other things. Check this link to comparing versions.
And IIRC Pro do not more expensive than Home Premium too much. But the upgrade license is bad.
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Good enough
And the vga? Radeon?
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Make it Nvidia
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At a glance, i would change a few things. 2500k will be sufficient and better value. Seasonic 620w would be a more suitable PSU. Samsung F3 1TB a better choice of HDD.
As you're using a TV to hook up to, make sure the Graphics card and TV have HDMI to connect with.
I'd steer clear of pre-built and simply build your own.
Your girlfriend allows you to play games all the time?what about sex??
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Theres no need for the water cooler go with a good air cooler like the mugen 2 rev B.
A i5 2500k should do the job.
You should defenitly buy a (small) ssd with sata3.
You may want to change your graphics card to a hd7950 (if your budger allows, if not stick with the 6970).
If you want to buy a 7950, make sure youre motherbord supports pci-e 3.
Youre powersupply is extreme overkill, 600/650W would be enough.
I have about the same system:
I2500k @ 4GHz
8gb ram
60gb force gt ssd
Hd6970
Its more then enough to play battlefield at high/ultra quality.
And because of the ssd it boots super fast.
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Your girlfriend allows you to play games all the time?what about sex??
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Lolz, I'm a lucky man, we find time for both, and enough time to raise our twin boys. She's a good woman.
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Theres no need for the water cooler go with a good air cooler like the mugen 2 rev B.
A i5 2500k should do the job.
You should defenitly buy a (small) ssd with sata3.
You may want to change your graphics card to a hd7950 (if your budger allows, if not stick with the 6970).
If you want to buy a 7950, make sure youre motherbord supports pci-e 3.
Youre powersupply is extreme overkill, 600/650W would be enough.
I have about the same system:
I2500k @ 4GHz
8gb ram
60gb force gt ssd
Hd6970
Its more then enough to play battlefield at high/ultra quality.
And because of the ssd it boots super fast.
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That setup sounds like about what I'm looking for. Did you build yourself. Or purchase prebuilt. Also, if I were to build myself, honestly, how difficult is it???
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That setup sounds like about what I'm looking for. Did you build yourself. Or purchase prebuilt. Also, if I were to build myself, honestly, how difficult is it???
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The company i bought it from assembled it for me.
I didnt want to mess around with a 1000+ euro computer as i havent ever assembled one.
You may want to look for a company that lets you choose the hardware, but they assemble it.
It cost me 55 euros but i think it was worth it.
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Lolz, I'm a lucky man, we find time for both, and enough time to raise our twin boys. She's a good woman.
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You have a dream life bro...
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This is another setup I came up with after some input. What do you guys think?? I'm not to sure about the mobo. Again, any and all advice is appreciated.
CAS:Thermaltake Commander Mid-Tower Gaming Case
CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
CPU:Intel® Core™ i5-2500K 3.30 GHz 6M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified)
CS_FAN:Maximum 120MM Case Cooling Fans for your selected case [+9]
FA_HDD:None
FAN:Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Dual Standard 120MM Fans (Push-Pull) [+9])
FLASHMEDIA:INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer [+10] (BLACK COLOR)
HDD:60GB Corsair Force Series SATA III 6.0Gb/s SSD -550MB/s Read & 510MB/s Write [+12] (Single Drive)
HDD2:500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+94] (Single Hard Drive)
IEEE_CARD:None
IUSB:Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
KEYBOARD:Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
MB_SRT:None
MEMORY:8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance [+23]
MOTHERBOARD:* [CrossFireX] GigaByte Z68AP-D3 Intel Z68 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ Intel Smart Response Tech. & 7.1 Dolby Home Theater Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, mSATA Connector onboard, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI (All Venom OC Certified)
MOUSE:XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
NCSW:None
NETWORK nboard Gigabit LAN Network
OS:Microsoft® Windows 7 Professional [+31] (64-bit Edition)
OVERCLOCK:No Overclocking
POWERSUPPLY:* 850 Watts - Corsair CMPSU-850TXV2 80 Plus Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready [+83]
RUSH:NO; READY TO SHIP IN 10~15 BUSINESS DAYS
SERVICE:STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
SPEAKERS:None
TEMP:None
TUNING:None
TVRC:None
USB:None
USBFLASH:None
USBHD:None
USBX:None
VIDEO:AMD Radeon HD 6970 2GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card [+245] (Major Brand Powered by AMD)
VIDEO2:None
VIDEO3:None
WNC CI Wireless 802.11n 150Mbps Network Interface Card [+19]
_PRICE +1384) SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
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Here's an link to my build as of now... Any advice??
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1DWMW1
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spend money and lots of it
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Lol, Unfortunately my budget is about 1500 shipped...
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awesome that build looks great and you are going to enjoy dues ex 3