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EBAY!?!! selling all your hard work

just FYI not sure if anyone has seen this douche bag. appears he is making a nice living off of your guys' hard work. i think this user should be made an example of. anyone with any ideas?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250421549454

yeah he is making a killing selling those.

Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.

derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Check his feedback profile..
You'll weep when you see how many CDs he sold for 50 pop EACH!!!

derekwilkinson said:
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ya nearly all his feedback ratings are from $50 a pop on that cd. he's got over 150 positive feedbacks. i also reported prior to the original thread posting cuz thats just wrong imo.

yes Im danielmex_83
jajaja i sent him a message wanna see it? hahaha just for fun you know!
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there are many people that loves everything easy... even if it cost 50 bucks.

Thats insane. I can't even begin to imagine the people that have been scammed out of 50 bucks for stuff that is completely free. And no credit to those that developed the software. Shame

He answers me!
HAHAHAHAH well I ask him if he can shipp the cd to the bermudas triangle!
he answers...
hahaha didnt you live on Mexico? hahahaha god damn! this guy is so funny!

I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.

^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.

aaron11193 said:
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.

x86 said:
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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Hi everybody, and thanks x86 for not posting like drdrew and Que. I have been selling these disks and guess what? I am not the first or the last to do it. I bought an HTC phone and wanted to make it cool like the stuff I found on the internet for FREE. However, I had NO clue of how to do it. I didn't know you had to install NETCFsetup35 first. I didn't know you had to install Batteryand Performance Hack, then SDKcerts, then finix, etc in THAT order. These are things that took a while to learn how to do. I couldn't find a thread on what, how or when to do these things and I am pretty computer literate. Someone else was selling the phones with the programs on them first and I decided I would write an easy to understand tutorial and sell my own disks so others could enjoy. This is called free enterprise.
I don't and never have taken credit for anyone's work and have donated to the sites I have gone to and talked with a few of the programmers. Bongsu has awesome themes and I have donated to vicotts site after he said that's where the money should go. I donated to XDA. PPCgeeks as well. Have I talked to all of them? No. I could take ALL the apps, themes and games off and the tutorial I created is worth it alone. Not only that, but many of my customers have had to call me and ask for support. I have spent hours on the phone helping some people who are completely computer illiterate step by step to make their phones so fun and cool. I offer the disks at $50 with a Best Offer option as well. Some people buy for $40 and some for $35. x86, It's not overpriced when you consider the support. Just like you said, companies make a TON of money on support. I was just offered the great deal of $129.99 from Dell to help me resolve a ONE-time issue with my computer. Support costs money.
I guarantee if you ask any of the people who have bought the disk, not a one of them feels scammed. Why would they? I talk them through it to help them. The tutorial is very easy to understand but some people are not savvy. Actually, I have had many of my customers tell me I am not charging enough! That's no joke. I started at $24.99 and was told over and over I was charging too LITTLE! Why would any programmer be upset as there programs are on more phones? That's why they are created; to have fun and make phones look cool. But there was nobody to help me and many others understand HOW to do it!
The people buying these disks have seen many of the programs on the internet and know they are out there for free, yet they still buy my tutorial. I include the urls to PPCgeeks and XDA in my tutorial as well as other sites. That way they can then do it for themselves after they learn how to do it from me the FIRST time.
I simply sold what most people like, the easy route. And I just thought it would be cool to put a bunch of programs on the disk to get these people started! All the things I have put on that disk are found on the internet for FREE, Except for TWO things; my tutorial and phone support. I charge for that. If you have a problem with that, you are free to feel that way. If you want to pay my cell phone bill, let me know. But the fact is, nobody who has purchased this disk has come back to say they want their money back. I have 100% feedback. That should tell you something.
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.

Want to Clear Things Up said:
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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This account has been banned for being a sock-puppet.
Please use your real account "Sho'nuff" for replying to questions like these Roy.
EqX

Thanks Equinox
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Want to Clear Things Up said:
You know, I would appreciate you taking down your posts. I answered your questions honestly and did nothing wrong to you. eBay also has a strict policy of using their logos and posting private emails on a public thread. I think if you read my email on this thread, you will see what I offer is a tutorial and personal assistance and am not scamming or hurting anyone. You have your right to say you don't like it and that's fine, but again, I would appreciate you taking down the screen shots.
Also, if you look on eBay, you will see there have been others who have done it. There is someone else selling a disk right now and someone selling a phone with the programs on it.
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OK! its fine for me, but only if you go to the forum where you saw that screenshoots and post this same words... if you dont do it i will, then, i will edit my posts, I think the administrator of this site will be happy with this agreement.
Cheers dude! see you later.
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Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
+ Que PPC

+ Que PPC said:
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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I may as well write this on the public forum since it seems you are the dirty one who cannot keep a private conversation private. Also, I created the other name so people wouldn't flood my regular email so I created a new email and name for that. But guess what? Not a single email has come to me with a problem or insults. Actually, I got an email from someone on this thread telling me I did a great job explaining.
And by the way, your screenshots still show eBay licensed information. Your posting of a private email on a public forum doesn't go over well either. I will ask you to remove them again. XDA is a great site and doesn't need trouble because of your posts.
Hey Ben, I mean Equinox, you should do the right thing and take down the screenshots if Mr. Que here doesn't decide to. Or should I just contact the administrator?
I find it quite funny you come on here using words like moron and how angry this makes you when in reality you have not created any of these programs. Maybe it's possible you're jealous that you don't have the common sense to write a tutorial and offer support to folks who want their phones to have these great features and at the same time turn a little profit? Not all people who buy these phones know anything about these apps, themes and games. I was a first time Win Mo user and had NO idea about this stuff. Try to look at the positive aspect. Many more people know about these great things and HOW TO INSTALL them. That's what you're not getting. You seem to think the people who bought this disk are lazy. No, they are not as computer savvy as some of us are. They need help. And when I went to forums to find out stuff, it was SO much info to take in that I just about said forget it. And I wasn't sure about viruses or what to install or what needed to be installed, etc.
I have 13 sent messages in my outbox from March that I sent to people asking for help when I first joined this site. Guess how many answered? ZERO. I finally found someone who helped me, and it wasn't from this site, and then I took off from there. It's not lazy QUE, but I think you know that. Or maybe you don't. How did YOU come to learn how to do these things? How did most people on these forums? They are either IT's, creators, real computer savvy or got help from someone. Well, I am one who waited about a month after getting my phone to finally find someone to help me.
So I decided to offer assistance to other people which includes phone support. Do you have a cell phone QUE? Do you pay your own bill? They're not free, are they? Also, you never mentioned the fact that I have donated and talked with some of the actual programmers. No, you seem to just listen to what you want and write what will incite others.
And the fact is, people were doing this BEFORE me, selling phones with all the programs on them for $500 when I bought my phone back in March. I didn't need another phone, I just needed to learn how to get the programs. So that's what I offered to others. And to be able to actually call me and I would walk them through it step by step. Read the feedback and you will see that. There was another guy selling the disks before me and ALL he had on them was apps and themes and games and no phone support. People came to me because they needed help. Too bad you only look at the negative and try to paint me as a bad person. The people who bought my disk don't think so and love these forums.
That's a whole other realm you don't even realize. I have sold a few of these disks and that means, a whole new group of people have come to these sites, like XDA and PPCGeeks and likely have donated to get a new theme, etc. or have contributed in some other way. And it also brings in more clicks to these sites. Did you know that or even think about that?
I have been truthful and can walk away from this with my head up high as I know I have helped so many other people. I don't post private messages, I don't use childish insults. I came here to try to set the record straight. I believe I have done so. Obviously not with you Que, but that's okay. People will always disagree in this world.

What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times do you see people suing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with, people who have proved that an idea was originally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.

denco7 said:
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times to you see people sueing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with people who have proved that an idea was origanally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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Dude, your math is way off. I sold some HTC phones too, so maybe that's how you added about $6,000 wrong lol. I sold maybe 40 CD's and many people didn't even pay $50. I let some go for as little as $25. You also didn't include how muh eBay and Paypal take out for their fees. As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.

pablo96 said:
I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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I completely agree. I think if a wrote a small tutorial on Firefox and packaged it with firefox 3 and sold it on ebay for $50, it would be quite an issue. This is no different. Just because you're dealing with an individual's product instead of a corporation doesn't give you the right to package it without there permission, when they intended for it to be free, and sell it for money. This would be PERFECTLY FINE if he was selling tutorials for the products, noting that they are 100% free applications, and that you are being charged for the tutorials. However, leading people to believe that they are getting a great deal on tons of apps is awful and dishonest.

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As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
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you said MOST, not ALL., can you see the difference?
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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You are not advertising your personal assistance, you are advertising the applications.
See the difference?
So yes, you are ILLEGALLY selling software (freeware) from which is known that the authors (like A_C) don't want to be redistributed.
As far as "personal assistance" goes, well I have read into your posts, you are far from an expert on Windows Mobile to say at least.
I am closing this thread before any valued (actually contributing) senior member is going to cross the line and have to face punitive actions.
As for you, since you obviously ignore this:
S2U2, S2P & S2V are being distributed as Freeware. It may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission.
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, actions against you are being taken.
Regards to the actual contributing members,
EqX

Save CyanogenMod app: Am I an activist, crazy, or both? In the Market.

http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.mhuang.savecyanogenmod
Digg it! http://digg.com/software/Save_CyanogenMod_application_now_on_Android_Market
This will get the cause more publicity and pressure Google. It didn't quite work for that tether stuff, but this is Cyanogen we're talking about. It is a bit sensationalist, but we want at least a detailed explanation from Google (a re-licensing of the Google app binaries would be ideal) and this is one way to try to get one.
CyanogenMod is an unofficial, donation supported modification for the open source Android operating system. On September 24, 2009, Google sent a cease and desist letter to Cyanogen (Steve Kondik), demanding that he cease distribution of CyanogenMod because it includes several closed source Google applications like Gmail and Google Talk.
As users, we believe that while Google was within its legal rights to send this cease and desist order, this letter contradicts Google Android's own open source spirit. Additionally, the distribution of Google applications actually increases adoption of Google products, bringing Google more profit.
Because Google applications are such a core part of the Android experience, we believe that they should be available for free distribution.
To let your voice be heard, please post a comment on this application's Android Market page.
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I'm downloading this now!

wow an app? cyanogen if you ever had a doubt in your mind people didnt apprecaite you and your work, this is proof we do

Congratulations on creating yet-another useless application on the Market. No, I will not download your app or comment.
Please reconsider your actions. Android needs all the support it can get, not knee-jerk reactionary polls spreading possible misinformation without the full facts.

TommyPickles said:
Congratulations on creating yet-another useless application on the Market. No, I will not download your app or comment.
Please reconsider your actions. Android needs all the support it can get, not knee-jerk reactionary polls spreading possible misinformation without the full facts.
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I think this one is quite less sensationalist than the last one (and I still stand by the last one). This seems to be the general consensus of this community. Can you point out where I did not give the full facts? I did consider Google's position and offered a counterargument. I kept the whole thing short, and of course it's going to be biased - I'm speaking for one position, after all.
As users, we believe that while Google was within its legal rights to send this cease and desist order, this letter contradicts Google Android's own open source spirit. Additionally, the distribution of Google applications actually increases adoption of Google products, bringing Google more profit.
Because Google applications are such a core part of the Android experience, we believe that they should be available for free distribution.
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Really, it's just an application to get Google to react somehow. Of course it's reactionary. Are you going to go and rate this application a 1/5 and try to "teach" those on the Android Market my wrongdoings? Google is alienating one of its core audiences (developers and enthusiasts!) here. If anything, their actions were bad for Android.

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I'm downloading this now!
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......Ditto!...........

supporting Cyanogen..

It's great that you are open minded about 'open source spirit'.
Can I have your bank account number? Or please provide details on how your Google account links to your checkout account for me. What? You don't want to provide it? Why are you against open-source?
Market will never be open-source because it is a commerce application. Is that so hard to understand?
Further an unreleased version is being redistributed that will cause confusion to the general public. It was licensed to Open Handset Alliance members only.
Why don't I have the latest Market? Why doesnt Google love me? My friend has it! Oh the applications I download from new Market seem to be stuck and its bugged.. why doesnt Google support me on it?
For these reasons and more it was C&D. I'm sure Android team will give him a personal call and talk it through. Stop being so reactionary.
Sorry to be harsh but you have contributed nothing to this community except get people to downlaod your app, increasing your profile. For that I wish you well, but as I said I will not download nor comment on your app because I think its a great idea in intention but totally misplaced because you haven't thought it through.

TommyPickles said:
It's great that you are open minded about 'open source spirit'.
Can I have your bank account number? Or please provide details on how your Google account links to your checkout account for me. What? You don't want to provide it? Why are you against open-source?
Market will never be open-source because it is a commerce application. Is that so hard to understand?
Further an unreleased version is being redistributed that will cause confusion to the general public. It was licensed to Open Handset Alliance members only.
Why don't I have the latest Market? Why doesnt Google love me? My friend has it! Oh the applications I download from new Market seem to be stuck and its bugged.. why doesnt Google support me on it?
For these reasons and more it was C&D. I'm sure Android team will give him a personal call and talk it through. Stop being so reactionary.
Sorry to be harsh but you have contributed nothing to this community except get people to downlaod your app, increasing your profile. For that I wish you well, but as I said I will not download nor comment on your app because I think its a great idea in intention but totally misplaced because you haven't thought it through.
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Did I ever ask for the Market to be open source? I said the C&D went against the open source spirit, which promotes sharing code (even in the form of binaries, which are better than nothing, if necessary) and expanding the community in this way. The Android Market is one central part of the Android experience, and I believe that we should push for a redistribution license for all developers. Of course some sources must be protected (though as a developer I will argue that an open source implementation of the Market is certainly viable without compromising user data).
I don't really care about my profile - my pseudonym here is different from my name on the Android Market, even. You'll have to take my word for it that that is not my agenda.

[email protected] lame, im downloading this app ASAP

I'll take your word for it, because your response sounds reasoned. But by reading your response, I then also have to ask : Why are we reacting to this?
The new Market will be released when it's done. Until then, only those who have a license (such as Open Handset Alliance members such as phone manufacturers) will be able to use and trial it.
It's not like Google won't release it. They will. They want to. But they just can't deal with the general public having problems with their commerce system. They also can't let it be open-sourced. Sorry but thats just the way they are thinking, I'm sure.
I would rather accept Google's decision anyday, then that of Apple. I don't want Android to have the reputation of hurting developers, because it is so opposite to the truth, which is why I'm so dismayed. Sorry about that.

TommyPickles said:
I would rather accept Google's decision anyday, then that of Apple. I don't want Android to have the reputation of hurting developers, because it is so opposite to the truth, which is why I'm so dismayed. Sorry about that.
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Android is great, and Google has spoiled us, which is probably why we get such a strong reaction from developers and users. But I'll leave this up for a bit and see what happens, and if the things stated inside the app get irrelevant or inaccurate, I'll update the app or pull it.

Google. Why you gotta be such a @$$HAT???

I can't download from the market now but this is ****ed up. Looks like Google has been listening to it's dentist and taking an APPLE a day.

i'm sorry i have to give it to tommypickles yes this is a let down, but Google is trying to protect a core peace of there software the market is one of the definitive parts of this OS. after surveying the facts i can find i have to side with Google's decisions. I personally left the iphone world for a reason and the main reason is the dev nightmare that is the app store on iphone. As i developer i see there side, i also see the users side yes we got spoiled by the new market and now they want to say hold on there.
they are merely trying to protect the core experience that is android OS.

Hmm some people forget that if cyanogen (the stablest rom out their) goes what makes you think that google will just stop at him...

yes please google back off n let cyanogen be. he didnt steal this is suppose 2 be open source. it was put out there 2 be used. please stop hating on cyanogen

"Yo GOOGLE, I'm really happy for you, I'll let you finish, but Cyanogen has one of the best roms of all time. One of the best roms of all time!"
osokrayzay com

tommypickles sounds like he got his ass destroyed by a huge black dildo and is mad about something else so he decides to point out some minuscule opinion about cyanogen just so he can feel better about himself.

This has a snowballs chance in .. well you know the rest.

Third party site SELLING paid apps

androidplayground (link removed to comply with forum rules, google and take the first result, it's the ****hole in question)
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
They do have a contact page, why not let them know how much you appreciate your hard work being stolen?

Looks pretty shady anyway, I'd much rather use the Android Market.

I agree. Charging people do get software you stole is worse than stealing it in the first place IMO.

I feel like I just took a trip back to a 1997 Geocities website

this is pretty much a site that leads to warez and shouldnt be posted. i am just saying.

brian_v3ntura said:
this is pretty much a site that leads to warez and shouldnt be posted. i am just saying.
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And changed.

It's being hosted by hostedsolutions, their contact info is here:
http://www.hostedsolutions.com/contact/
I'm sure they'd like to know what's on their servers.

Wow that's ballsy.
They even link back to the xda forums for formatting and rooting info.
And Dev's they are taking paypal payments. File a complaint with Paypal too.
They used a privacy company to hide who they are.
And then they used Tucows address as their domain registration address?
The whois phone number rings to a looped recording telling you to go to the privacy companies website. Which does not seem to work.
To bad these A$$munchs didn't also make the stupid Android7 Flash Player. We could have killed 2 birds with one stone.

If the site ever starts 'offering' SetCPU, I will do whatever is in my legal power to take them down. I can't do anything about those Chinese or Russian websites, but if it's hosted in the USA, they're going down.

ThrashWolf said:
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
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Piracy is piracy. Don't think somehow a for-free piracy distribution site is any more justified than a paid one. If anything, for-free distribution sites hurt developers more than paid sites: which one do you think attracts more pirates? (Note: Don't somehow come to the twisted conclusion that I support piracy of any kind; I don't.)

The difference between the two jashsu is that there is a large contingent of the "try before you buy" type of pirates out there. They'll get a warez version of an app, and if they like it, they'll often uninstall it and pay for the market version. However, if they pay for it through a third party website, the original developer never sees that profit.
Thats not to say I support piracy, because I dont. I fully believe that people should be compensated for hard work. I'm more than willing to pay for an app up front, and if it sucks, the dev will find out by reading the refund notice when i uninstall it within 24 hours.

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The difference between the two jashsu is that there is a large contingent of the "try before you buy" type of pirates out there.
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Please show me some numbers. To get the ball rolling, i'll post a link.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...-more-serious-than-first-though-on-iphone.ars
"The numbers that developers might find most interesting are the ones that show "conversion rates" from "lite" versions to full. Only one out of every 14 average users tends to purchase the paid version of an app after using the lite version, which is just under 7.5 percent. For pirates, the conversion rate is less than half a percent, or one out of every 233."

I download apps. If I like 'em, I pay for them. I'll usually go for a "lite" version if one exists. Anyway, rather than have this thread derailed into a debate about piracy, can we get back to the topic at hand?
I've notified the host, lets see if that does anything.

Sigh. Nothing like a little bit of piracy to set a forum on fire. Doesn't matter what forum you're visiting, could be a forum for food - and the first mention of piracy is bound to bring up what I like to call the forum nazis. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and no amount of gestapo trolling will change that. I find it interesting that people break various laws of various countries / cities / states daily and of course, it's overlooked. Someone makes mention of piracy and all of a sudden you've got the ePolice regime banging on your every post as if it were going to change something. What's my point? None, really. (But there again, there's also no point in bashing piracy, it's not going to make it any less existent.)

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Someone makes mention of piracy and all of a sudden you've got the ePolice regime banging on your every post as if it were going to change something.
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I hope you don't think that I assumed my post would change ThrashWolf's perception on piracy. I was merely pointing out how humorously sad this statement is:
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
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I mean.. maybe i'm the only one who finds that just a bit hypocritical? I would have been completely okay if he/she just said "hey dudes, theres a paid piracy site, lets get it shut down" or "I like piracy". But to go and say "I am a pirate, but these other pirates disgust me".. idk.. maybe it's just me, but that's just ridiculous.
Then again what do I know?

Also they spam the android market with there links so make sure if you see it report it as spam.

Doesn't anyone pay for their apps anymore ...

I'll admit it, I pirate apps too, but only to either try it or if I have no other way to even purchase the application.
The thing is, being a high-schooler, I have a cheap, prepaid credit card that only allows transactions in USD. Many apps aren't available in the Market in currency other than Euros or Pounds so I have no other choice to use the apps than to pirate them.
This kind of behavior where people are selling pirated copies instead of just making it available for people who otherwise can't even buy them is really annoying though... anybody thought of a way to get them shut down?

I'm honestly debating to pay for a membership and email every dev that has an app on their. The other known site I've already found 6 apps from me on their and they were removed. But since this place charges just to get a peak I'm very tempted to pay and make sure every company knows and can write C&D's to them and the host.

Piracy is always going to be an issue. Always. I have pirated apps before, usually to test out an app update I have already downloaded and refunded from the marketplace. If the update fixes things I had issues with, I will buy it. If not, then I delete it. I have bought and kept 21 apps from the marketplace so far. I believe my use of pirated apps is fair.
I am not trying to justify piracy, but merely stating it is a great tool for me. I am aware that a lot of people pirate apps just so they don't have to pay for them. I believe that is wrong. However when comparing those who distribute an app for free to those that charge for an app that is not theirs, I believe that the one who distributes for free is the lesser of the two evils. The one who distributes for free is going to reach out to more of the potential market yes, but the scumbags who actually charge for apps that someone worked hard on are the true thieves IMO. They affect a lesser share of the potential market, but keep in mind their "share" is willing to make a purchase in the first place, while the freeloaders "share" is questionable in that department.
Just my 2 cents.

About Rom development (Carburano and Spica)

Hi all, I still don't understand why Spica's and Carburano's threads are closed.
Can anyone explain me what happened, please?
Also, is there anyway or something I can do to help Carburano or Spica, so they can have their threads back? I don't think I'm the only one who wants that, so if anyone that have used their Roms could answer me, it would be great. Thanks in adavance.

This post sums it all up:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26785899&postcount=2948

Where that post does indeed sum it up, Stefans reply is wrong and full of holes.
If he wants to start going on about 5 days to release source, because of the GPL - then he needs to actually READ the GPL instead of just reading something in a 10 line thread.
Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.
But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.
Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
Now this is the kicker. Releasing it to the public can mean beta sure, as everything is covered by the original, but if users are labelled by the developer as INTERNAL TESTERS - then publication of the source code IS NOT REQUIRED, and therefore, causes no harm to this forum.
If people actually fully understood the licenses they impose, the world would be an awfully better place
Yesterday was a harsh day in development for this platform.
The idea of the GPLv2 is absurd anyway. You MUST release your finished source - from which ANYBODY is perfectly covered to use it for commercial purposes.
Wow.
Nice.
Don't you think that is a bit crap?
And thats the underlying reason as to why none of my work is covered by the GPL. Created Commons none commercial is so much damn better.

mrotacon said:
Where that post does indeed sum it up, Stefans reply is wrong and full of holes.
If he wants to start going on about 5 days to release source, because of the GPL - then he needs to actually READ the GPL instead of just reading something in a 10 line thread.
Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.
But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.
Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
Now this is the kicker. Releasing it to the public can mean beta sure, as everything is covered by the original, but if users are labelled by the developer as INTERNAL TESTERS - then publication of the source code IS NOT REQUIRED, and therefore, causes no harm to this forum.
If people actually fully understood the licenses they impose, the world would be an awfully better place
Yesterday was a harsh day in development for this platform.
The idea of the GPLv2 is absurd anyway. You MUST release your finished source - from which ANYBODY is perfectly covered to use it for commercial purposes.
Wow.
Nice.
Don't you think that is a bit crap?
And thats the underlying reason as to why none of my work is covered by the GPL. Created Commons none commercial is so much damn better.
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Oops, my bad. I gave the link to the wrong post, link corrected now. Check it now please.
I agree with what you have written, and i fully support Carburano with his effort, against the one who keeps saying "Goodbye", but just refuses to leave

It's sad to see that this forum is just dying.

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mrotacon said:
The idea of the GPLv2 is absurd anyway. You MUST release your finished source - from which ANYBODY is perfectly covered to use it for commercial purposes.
Wow.
Nice.
Don't you think that is a bit crap?
And thats the underlying reason as to why none of my work is covered by the GPL. Created Commons none commercial is so much damn better.
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Well, like it or not, but this is the license of the Linux kernel, not just a forum rule. This license may not be appropriate for your work (and hence be qualified as "a bit crap"), but with a different license, the Linux kernel would probably be very different now, probably not in a state that I would want to use it to run on my laptop and my phone.
PS: This is just a comment on the license, not on the DjangoManouche/Spica/Gueste issue
Tom

Ohhhh no...... i just read the closed threads

The best way to reopen the treads I think will be no comments

I asked moderator to close my thread... Btw i won't leave and i don't want to defend spica or blame stefan...
I just want a thing: equal treatment until war is over...
Sent from DjangoManouche!

carburano said:
I asked moderator to close my thread... Btw i won't leave and i don't want to defend spica or blame stefan...
I just want a thing: equal treatment until war is over...
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That's no solution.
Spica and Stefan should stop the "war", all threads can be opened again and everything is good.

Thanks a lot to everyone who has answered me, now I quite understand what's happened.
I believe is bs (sorry for the expression) that they closed Spica's thread because of some missing links, I mean, he does what he likes and he is sharing it with us, isn't it freedom? Isn't Android supposed to be a FREE OS? Isn't like Xda is paying Spica for what he does, so I don't understand why they were so harsh.
What Spica does help us all, and keep us happy with our O2X. I'm mad at Xda and specially to the one who dared disable Spica
carburano said:
I asked moderator to close my thread... Btw i won't leave and i don't want to defend spica or blame stefan...
I just want a thing: equal treatment until war is over...
Sent from DjangoManouche!
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Hey there Carburano it's nice and quite a relieve to read that you are not leaving us. Even if I don't like that your post is closed, I gotta admit that I like what you're doing, it's really unfair what happened and clearly something had to be done. I just hope this problem ends up soon so we can have Spica and you back. Hope you're doing great, see you soon.

I believe you should seek Paul's aid on Modaco... and resurrect their O2X section. Most of us are already members also there from old good Gr/Fr days.
I've had many devices in past years and such quarrels were always present here on XDA. It annoys me much... Moderators cannot do anything about it. It just a matter of working style of each dev, which are all of course specific artist like personalities, not some kind of slave labor unit under certain company to whom you can poke GPL in the eye... (like HP for example).
XDA forgets all the time, one cannot ask from other responsibility, if everything this is a pure charity work.
If you wish my opinion... Spicas SR4 are so very raw betas and suffer from so many problems and ask the dev to continuously update the code, when it evolves even in hours, to decide witch part of the code causes bsod etc it is kind of lame to ask a broken code.

Bouba123 said:
Well, like it or not, but this is the license of the Linux kernel, not just a forum rule. This license may not be appropriate for your work (and hence be qualified as "a bit crap"), but with a different license, the Linux kernel would probably be very different now, probably not in a state that I would want to use it to run on my laptop and my phone.
PS: This is just a comment on the license, not on the DjangoManouche/Spica/Gueste issue
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That's right man, you are correct.
That is why I stated that if he classed everyone as internal testers who acquired it here, in an open community (granted) - but one you have to register to become a part of (closed) then he doesn't actually need to release the source at this time.
Once he actually labels his project as a release, and drops the work test from his posts, the He has to comply fully with the GPL.
I'm not finding excuses for the guy - as it doesn't excuse him from the previous releases with only having one complete source, but he can't do that for the previous kernels. He suffered data loss, and where he should have had it all backed up, even stored in the cloud (hindsight is a *****) its impossible for him to do that.
He has one source publicized and available for the project which is his only Full release now.
It depends how he - himself, classes his project, and interprets the GPL.
Its obvious from my previous post that I dislike the GPL (to put it mildly). Where I agree with Stallman's ideas on how a system should be internally managed, I find his ideas for how to achieve this somewhat distasteful (at least in V2 and V3).
That's just my personal opinion from a little incident in my past, which saw my work used for something I did not see fit, nor agree with or support in anyway. Everyone has opinions, and mine make me slightly biased with my comments (loopholes aren't always for exploitation), and for that I ask forgiveness.
But he does fall into that category.

mrotacon said:
That's right man, you are correct.
That is why I stated that if he classed everyone as internal testers who acquired it here, in an open community (granted) - but one you have to register to become a part of (closed) then he doesn't actually need to release the source at this time.
Once he actually labels his project as a release, and drops the work test from his posts, the He has to comply fully with the GPL.
I'm not finding excuses for the guy - as it doesn't excuse him from the previous releases with only having one complete source, but he can't do that for the previous kernels. He suffered data loss, and where he should have had it all backed up, even stored in the cloud (hindsight is a *****) its impossible for him to do that.
He has one source publicized and available for the project which is his only Full release now.
It depends how he - himself, classes his project, and interprets the GPL.
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the problem here is that the almost all mods doesn't understand what GPL really is
and just think "GPL = you must upload all your sources"
carburano said:
I asked moderator to close my thread... Btw i won't leave and i don't want to defend spica or blame stefan...
I just want a thing: equal treatment until war is over...
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currently deciding what i should do
move to RootzWiki until XDA realize they should care more about their devs and not about the users or stay here
they always say dev's are important on XDA they keep the community running
but in the mean while when a dev can't defend himself against a user or another dev without even swearing
you can expect a huge flame war from users because they praise the ROM dev (or copy cat in some cases)
a mod steps in you get a warning and the flamers their post get deleted
i always thougt this community wanted to defend their devs and help them because this community would not exist without them
but it seems like they just want more and more users
this is just how i think about XDA
RootzWiki atleast protect their devs
their mods ask you about your part of the story and after that they decide that to do
here on xda you can expect a instant ban or warning
i am not saying every mod here is like that but the most are...
RootzWiki > xda

Where it seems that is true, Its up to us to give them that knowledge (educate is too harsh - its boring to read through Lol)
Spica will no doubt continue work on his kernel. Not for everyone but for himself. The sensation you get when you finish a project is pretty cool (orgasmic?? ^^) indeed.
I hope he tries to rectify this, and also the issues he and Stefan have with each other. With the development of two kernels simultaneously (which, to be fair - both offer advantages in different categories over one another) coupled with the production of an astoundingly good Rom, meant the community [pre-ICS (stable!)] were motivated, and moving with good pace, in a positive gradient.
He-man is not real. No one can have that much power.
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If those guys can enjoy dinner together, so can you two!

mrotacon said:
Where it seems that is true, Its up to us to give them that knowledge (educate is too harsh - its boring to read through Lol)
Spica will no doubt continue work on his kernel. Not for everyone but for himself. The sensation you get when you finish a project is pretty cool (orgasmic?? ^^) indeed.
I hope he tries to rectify this, and also the issues he and Stefan have with each other. With the development of two kernels simultaneously (which, to be fair - both offer advantages in different categories over one another) coupled with the production of an astoundingly good Rom, meant the community [pre-ICS (stable!)] were motivated, and moving with good pace, in a positive gradient.
He-man is not real. No one can have that much power.
If those guys can enjoy dinner together, so can you two!
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That's a good posting indeed
Though I think everything isn't as bad as it might seem. Spica's threads could already be open again, they could have been reopened 10 minutes after close.
He just needs to execute
git push origin
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in his local kernel git repository and everything is fine. Upload will take about 5 minutes or sth. and all his threads are open again.
His account on the other hand is disabled for multiple personal insults like this.
So @owain protecting developers is good and right for sure, but it doesn't include giving the DEV the freedom to post whatever he wants ;-)
Netiquette still has to be followed. (Fortunately)

I hadn't seen the post.
He was wrong to publicly make it personal to someone other than yourself.
Slander is never friendly

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I hadn't seen the post.
He was wrong to publicly make it personal to someone other than yourself.
Slander is never friendly
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There have been 4 or 5 such postings containing direct personal insults against my person (in 1 day). This is why his account is disabled, not related to the sources-problematic.
Too bad these postings still haven't been deleted.

Stefan Gündhör said:
So @owain protecting developers is good and right for sure, but it doesn't include giving the DEV the freedom to post whatever he wants ;-)
Netiquette still has to be followed. (Fortunately)
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I wasn't protecting Spica nor blaming you nor talking about this situation
I was just giving my opinion about how XDA is
Not in this situation but more in general
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I did not want to talk about this one more time...but this is surely becoming a public debate where each one of us are trying to put our thought and what we know better. I am giving mine.
I am not saying that the greats like OWAIN STEFAN TEMASEK CARBURANO or anyone else who are legends and have contributed as much as the number of users, are wrong or right or siding someone or unbiased....
but, everyone will agree that this is not just one incident or two...this is a big continuation of posts from almost five to six months where the war of words and sometimes abuses or personal digs were constantly made...sometimes in the opening posts where description about the ROM or Kernel were generally expected. People who have followed this forum from those days of Topo,Navlem,Amnon (those gentlemen)will agree that, now the posts have become very personal and trying to show that mine is good and others are not."I am working hard and you are not".BREAKTHROUGH REVOLUTION AMAZING and words which one uses are countered by the other.This is the main root cause of the issue.
I am not good at interpreting rules but I surely dont like someone who is trying to tell me rules in front of public....I surely think that this could have been more amicable had it been a bit more accommodative, mutually respected....this is something a bit lacking.
I respect Stefan for the new tool,the amount of hardwork he has put to give us an excellent ROM, kernel and so many other things.
I also have great respect for Spica, for the things he has done for us users.
But, I dont agree to the fact that it is just a personal insult of one side...I have been spending close to 5hrs everyday and can remember things of such bitter taste which went for a period of time until there was a warning by the MOD.
I request everyone to understand this situation and not take sides to prove someone is right and someone else was insulted....
but I sincerely will request STEFAN and SPICA to join hands and bring a SMILE on everyone's faces in this forum.No one is perfect but we can always bring smiles and happiness AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE WORLD AROUND US.
Please dont take this as an insult or offence...I SINCERELY HOPE AND PRAY PEACE PREVAILS AND SUN SHINES BIRDS CHIRP LOVE SPREADS
thanks everyone...I am just a noob and forgive me if I am wrong

App Development Training Course Project

Hello, everyone.. it's been a while since I posted on xda-developers. My last big project you guys helped me out with was Mupen64Plus AE, which is really turning out great, BTW!
I wanted to let everyone know about a new project I'm working on to create a training course on how to write Android apps. It will be a complete training course with a course book, exercises, quizzes, test booklet, and answer key, as well as a companion website and support forum. It will be geared toward anyone who is interested in learning how to write professional Android apps, whether they have prior programming experience or not.
Each new topic will first be related to real-world concepts, so they can be understood more easily. Then those concepts will be applied to create a practical, interesting demo app for each subject. By the end of the course, the student will have created several of these demo apps, that they can show off to their friends or potential employers.
I thought I'd see if anyone here has suggestions for topics that could warrant special attention in the book, or ideas for the demo apps that will be created throughout the course. Let me know what you think!
I've also set up a kickstarter campaign to help fund the project, to cover the printing costs and compensate for the time I put into it. Feel free to comment on there as well, if you have useful suggestions for the project!

so, what's the cost for the program approximately?

wcypierre said:
so, what's the cost for the program approximately?
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I would like to know this too.

Well, the reward prices for folks who pledge early on kickstarter are intentionally a lot lower than what I will be selling the completed course for. The price will of course be adjusted over time, depending on its popularity, but here's what I'm considering for a starting point:
$150 :: Course enrolment. This provides full, lifetime access to digital copies of all course materials (including all future revisions) and the support forum
$25 + S&H :: Paperback quizzes/test booklet and answer key
$100 + S&H :: Paperback course book
$200 + S&H :: Hardcover course book
If the course does well, I'll probably also set up e-lectures that students can sign up for. I'd probably shoot for a number that adds up to a net profit close to what I would normally make as a freelance app developer. So, the more students in the classes, the lower the application cost would be. Obviously, that one is hard to estimate a cost for at this point.

course app development
For the people who have no programming experience will they be in a different class? how does the breakdown work with the varying experience levels?

ScusiXDA said:
For the people who have no programming experience will they be in a different class? how does the breakdown work with the varying experience levels?
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want to know too

I've thought about that a lot. It really breaks down into two things: how the course is graded, and how the subjects break down in the course book.
For the graded part of the course (and this would apply to enrolling in the lectures to potentially save more experienced students some money), the student will have the option of skipping the first two chapters, and start immediately with the Android-specific part (which will be the main bulk of the course)
For the course book itself, there will be a short first chapter geared toward teaching XML, then a longer than normal chapter to teach Java. These two chapters will assume the student has no prior programming experience, but I'll do my best to keep them as interesting as possible, so it won't be complete snorzville for folks who are experienced programmers but need to learn XML or Java.
The reason for starting with XML, is because it is not really a programming language, and it will get the student into the mindset of using symbols to represent ideas, and starting to think about variables. It won't be the usual "beginners guide to XML", though. As with every chapter, the goal will be to create something practical and interesting. Since HTML is a practical use of XML, the chapter will be focused on creating a humorous web page. As a side effect of creating a web page, they will have acquired the skills they'll need later to create the XML layouts and whatnot needed for their apps. The later Android-specific chapters will start with simple XML usage for the early demos and build on that as the course goes.
The second chapter, on Java, will not just be to teach Java, but to teach beginners how to program, using Java. The reason this chapter will be intentionally longer than most of the other chapters, is because of those two goals. As with the first chapter, I will use humour and other techniques to keep the more experienced students engaged, while not loosing the less experienced students.
The technique of making the subjects engaging will continue through the book, and the goal of each chapter will be to create something practical, interesting, and fun. Simple, cartoonish artwork placed strategically through the chapter will enhance the humour. I've used this technique in previous training guides I've written, and I've always received positive feedback. I'm confident I can pull it off with this project too.

This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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twitch330 said:
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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http://code.google.com/edu/introductory_courses.html
A good place to start

twitch330 said:
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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Here's another great free one:
http://freevideolectures.com/Course/2981/Android-Application-Development-Spring-2012#
Obviously this will be more basic than what the OP is talking about going into in terms of project, but this should be a good place to start.

i would like to learn how to write apps too but im from india... :-/ is it possible from here??
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is there any website to sign up to??
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I wrote some examples to demonstrate my basic teaching style.
This first example is what I envision for the first chapter of the course book, which will be teaching XML. This would be the first page of that chapter, and you can see that it makes no assumptions about the student's prior experience. The topic is related to a real-world concept before introducing anything technical:
http://www.paulscode.com/projects/android_course/example_lesson_context.pdf
My second example would be much later in the book, demonstrating my style of explaining the concept clearly before diving into the code. This would be toward the end of the chapter. Obviously by this point in the course, the student will be familiar with Java, so the code parts will be very simple to follow and relate back to the concept being taught:
http://www.paulscode.com/projects/android_course/example_lesson_decisions.pdf

aravind ashok said:
i would like to learn how to write apps too but im from india... :-/ is it possible from here??
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Is kickstarter still not available in India? I'll put up a forum so you can follow the project outside of kickstarter. Honestly, I'm not very familiar with transactions between the US and India, so I can't really answer your question at the moment. Do you have the ability to transfer money through PayPal to people in the US from over there? If so, you should be able to sign up for the course once I finish it, just not get involved in the kickstarter campaign.
dfreake said:
is there any website to sign up to??
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The companion website is not finished yet, but I'll have at least a forum up in the next week or two for folks who want to follow and discuss the project outside of kickstarter. There aren't a lot of backers yet, but hopefully the community of interest will grow over time.

I've added a new reward tier to the kickstarter campaign. Backers can now pick t-shirts. You choose the size and color for the shirt, and pick from any of the designs below. I may add some more t-shirt designs here as well. If anyone is an artist and wants to help out the project, I'll definitely take more t-shirt design suggestions!
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can overseas guys join this?

I'm IN!!!
Okay, I'm in! I have already backed you in Kickstarter, plus the T-Shirt. :good:

mengfei said:
can overseas guys join this?
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If you can sign up for kickstarter, yes. I understand kickstarter isn't available everywhere (not sure where, you'd have to check)

That is allot of money for me. Are you planning to make this cheaper in the future or are you gonna keep it at that price?

Depends on the demand. If there isn't any demand, it will go a lot cheaper. To be honest, at the current rate, the project isn't likely to be funded anyway. Doesn't seem to even be enough demand to get it initially funded. Oh, well, that's how crowd funding works. It gives you a pretty good indication of whether or not something is likely to be popular or not.