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Ice Cream Sandwich for O2X!

Not sure if everyone here has heard the news from Google's I/O, but they have announced that Google is setting a guideline for updates to phones, and many companies have agreed to give timely updates to their phones for at least 18 months from release.
LG is one of them so this is good news and will most likely mean that our phones will live to see an official Ice Cream Sandwich build

I would be getting it from CM regardless
Does anyone know whether this agreement is retroactive though? Might not include the *2X

First, LG agreed to that terms AFTER the O2X release, so that phone isn't concerned.
Second, they add "if hardware can follow", which is the magical sentence for manufacturer to explain why, finally there will be no update (even if that's total bullsh*t).
Bottom line is, nothing new, still the same.
But, it doen't mean we won't have ice cream Sandwich either
Let's hope for it.

Even though the news are good, Google making some pressure to manufacturers develop android updates, thing is that ice cream is said by Google to be released Q4 2011...hmph, how long for LG2X to have IC? Q2 2012?
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This phone is one of the most powerful devices as of now so they should do the Ice Cream if not we can make petition or wait for CM 8?
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Rusty! said:
I would be getting it from CM regardless
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Agreed. I wasn't a fan of the stock ROM at all. This all mighty phone, weak release of 2.2.
CM7 completely unleashed the inner beast of this phone.

Stekare said:
Agreed. I wasn't a fan of the stock ROM at all. This all mighty phone, weak release of 2.2.
CM7 completely unleashed the inner beast of this phone.
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I wouldn't go that far aha
That being said I haven't actually tried CM7, waiting for it to be a bit less buggy

I hope we'll get Ice Cream Sandwich. But let LG first bring Gingerbread to us all!

I am doing a noob question... i red about hardware problems of o2x getting ice cream sandwich. I mean that it seems ice cream rom is going to be very heavy, about 500 MB... so the ram available is not sufficient to run this OS... can someone confirm this problem?
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That's just stupid. Neither the Nexus One nor the Nexus S have more than 512mb of memory.

Mehrsau said:
That's just stupid. Neither the Nexus One nor the Nexus S have more than 512mb of memory.
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altough your second statement appears to be one of the most valid answers the question could have, your first statement was completely unnecessary.
thanks button pressed because of the second statement. Please users, work together in order to get an healthy environment here in the O2X thread

svceon said:
altough your second statement appears to be one of the most valid answers the question could have, your first statement was completely unnecessary.
thanks button pressed because of the second statement. Please users, work together in order to get an healthy environment here in the O2X thread
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You're right, sorry. I was just a bit upset about all the rumors trying to make this phone bad.

TsunKit said:
I wouldn't go that far aha
That being said I haven't actually tried CM7, waiting for it to be a bit less buggy
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You should go that far . New CM build is just awesome. I don't have any problem since build 18.

Elf89 said:
I am doing a noob question... i red about hardware problems of o2x getting ice cream sandwich. I mean that it seems ice cream rom is going to be very heavy, about 500 MB... so the ram available is not sufficient to run this OS... can someone confirm this problem?
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Well it would help if you knew the difference between RAM and internal storage before posting that.

Mehrsau said:
That's just stupid. Neither the Nexus One nor the Nexus S have more than 512mb of memory.
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It's not so stupid because this could be the excuse for LG to decide to stop ice cream on the 2x like they did with optimus chic: the 01 will be upgraded to gingerbread while the chic (that has similar hardware) will not. It's just commercial strategy.
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Well it would help if you knew the difference between RAM and internal storage before posting that.
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Yeah i know the difference but the OS is loaded during boot in to the ram isn't it? So how much free ram do you think are you going to find after booting the phone?
Anyway my personal opinion is that this prevision of how much heavy will be ice cream is for tablet's only... i hope phone's one will be smaller
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Mehrsau said:
You're right, sorry. I was just a bit upset about all the rumors trying to make this phone bad.
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I understand you. I encountered only once the freeze problem and that's all. No problem so far and i tried cm7 and modaco that make this phone incredibly faster. Anyway it's true there are a lot of problems but theese are going to be fixed by lg's software update and then by community. In Italy a lot of people are selling 2x at incredible low prices and i can't understand why...
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Elf89 said:
Yeah i know the difference but the OS is loaded during boot in to the ram isn't it?
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No more than Windows is on your PC
The Acer Iconia A100 is a Honeycomb tablet with 512MB RAM, so the *2X is gonna be fine.

Stekare said:
CM7 completely unleashed the inner beast of this phone.
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I'm a CM7 user as well, coming from Nexus S to Optimus 2x and I would say the same only after we got a stable mod. I'm using Nightly #23 right now and it's great... but far from a beast ATM. Let's remember about bluetooth audio problems, no HDMI, 1080p video recording or FM Radio for instance. Nightly CM7 it's already great, but there's a lot of little things to be fixed.
Unexperienced users should keep away for now, is called Nightly and experimental version after-all.

There is HDMI out

[Q] OG droid/Telus Milestone + ICS = possible

I know this is probably a dumb question but... Hardware-wise will the OG droid/Telus Milestone be able to run Ice Cream Sandwich. If so will it ever actually see the light of day? I know with the release of the source code everybody and their uncle's cat's fleas are probably asking about their phones and ice cream sandwich but I'm simply curious.

Wondering that too
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here milestone ics. but still use gingerbread framework
http://galnetmiui.co.uk/landing/ics-builds/

Is this just built off of the sdk release or the actual source?

First off, its been mentioned that ICS could run in any device running gingerbread, and still most of them wont get it. Why you may ask?
Judging the history on carriers rolling out android updates, it almost never goes over 1 update in a phones lifetime.
Therefore it's very doubtful, so much that if I were stil using my milestone I wouldn't even get on my expectations.
PS: I'm running a Inspire 4g now, and we are in the same situation, HTC is rolling out updates to some devices, but Inspire is not in it, even tho it's still a high end device.
sorry

I'm not really expecting an "official" since it's long dead in the eyes of carriers. I'm looking more if the devs will do any work on it.

As soon as there's a ICS ROM for Droid please link it someone. Even if it's early alpha.
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Isn't too heavy in droid/milestone RAM ?
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I don't think it's too ram heavy. I read somewhere that any device that could run gingerbread can run ICS. There were ports of gingerbread to the milestone so.. shouldn't that mean ICS can run on it? I know MIUI has some ICS in it but.. It's not what I'm really looking for.
Ombra

how can you be so sure ?????

I'm not sure that's why I'm asking..

just waiting for further announcement...

The og Droid certainly has the ability to run android ice cream sandwich. That does not mean it will ever be able to run smoothly or well without a lot of tweaking.

rootfan is right. I've seen a video of the g1 running ice cream sandwich, not well, If that phone can run it, any phone should be able to..

The main problem is that Milestone has locked bootloader, and that leaves no chance to Milestone owners to run ICS on it (GOT-like trick launching Froyo on an Eclair kernel worked with GB on a Froyo kernel too, but ICS uses linux kernel v3.0 what makes this kind of porting EXTREMELY difficult).
Droid users have some chance though, since Droid bootloader is unlocked.

thks! now is clear to me

Droid will NOT get ICS

Officially from Cyanogenmod team member
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/32701-ice-cream-sandwich/page__p__252875#entry252875
For those of you who are going to sit and wonder if your device will make the cut, here are two general requirements that must be satisfied:
1) Phone must have more than 256mb RAM
2) Phone must contain a decent gpu
Now, if your phone doesnt meet those, its not to say you will never get ICS; but it does mean your device will not be one of the first with CM9 (and your wait will likely be much much longer, if ever)
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Sorry guys

We all new this day was coming. I'm hoping for a release from the Liquid team [ Liquid Ice Cream Sandwich anyone? ]

Im sad but I cant say I wasn't expecting this, gingerbread is good enough for me for the moment until I can upgrade my phone

What do they mean by decent GPU. That are the list of GPUs that arent decent BTW

tylerwatt12 said:
Officially from Cyanogenmod team member
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/32701-ice-cream-sandwich/page__p__252875#entry252875
Sorry guys
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This shouldn't be new news to anyone considering the EOL for the D1 was pre Gingerbread.
There is a dev(cushzero) over at DF that is working on a D1 ICS rom.
Will it be perfect? Probably not.
Will it be usable? Maybe.
Do us D1 users need to upgrade? Absolutely!!

But this phone has exactly 256mb of ram .

I'm getting a Droid just to mess around within the upcoming week. I have dev experience in c++, and Java. I will certainly attempt to put cm9 on the Droid if no one else does.

rootfan said:
I'm getting a Droid just to mess around within the upcoming week. I have dev experience in c++, and Java. I will certainly attempt to put cm9 on the Droid if no one else does.
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I would test your builds if you need. I have a D1 but I have an HD2 as my main device so I'd be okay with potentially messing up the Droid

ElectroBeijing said:
I would test your builds if you need. I have a D1 but I have an HD2 as my main device so I'd be okay with potentially messing up the Droid
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Send me a pm. I will test as well. D1 is my backup phone too
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There is nothing to test yet. Cyanogenmod 9 does not even exist. once it is a reality, we can see what is possible. Im sure that someone else who is not me will do it for sure

Who ever posted this stop making rumor up the original droid have good GPU better than Nexus one and ram is the same as hd2 . Both hd 2 and nexus one have Port of Ice cream sandwich and if you want ice cream wait till January. Trust me cyanogenmod hasn't forgotten you guys.
Look if the g1 that 3 years ****ing year old can run ICS 4.0 os your phone can so be patient .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19649295

Very true. With a little work, the droid will be able to run ics. The only issue with it is ram, but besides that, the processor is just fine. The gpu is decent as well. The beginning of this post also says that your device must have 256 megabytes of ram. droid = 256 megabytes of ram
I am sure that someone is working on an aosp ics at this very moment.

your right the ram after 170 apps it will go on low memory i had my original droid running as many as 180 apps at one point . But ram keep going low to 0-10 mb but the performance was still amazing because the phone wasnt freezing like htc g1 on froyo. On stock roms droid 1 would easily have 130 mb of 256 mb that the phone comes with.
Google g1 was only stable with 2.1 os roms and 1 guy i forgot his name made a good froyo roms but took half of internal storage half of the g1 to make it work on stable rom.
But anywho the g1 isnt stable at gingerbread and it wont be either on ice cream sandwich u guys should be happy that Motorola did their job with this phone.
Enjoy Ice cream Sandwich
rootfan said:
Very true. With a little work, the droid will be able to run ics. The only issue with it is ram, but besides that, the processor is just fine. The gpu is decent as well. The beginning of this post also says that your device must have 256 megabytes of ram. droid = 256 megabytes of ram
I am sure that someone is working on an aosp ics at this very moment.
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add119 said:
Who ever posted this stop making rumor up the original droid have good GPU better than Nexus one and ram is the same as hd2 . Both hd 2 and nexus one have Port of Ice cream sandwich and if you want ice cream wait till January. Trust me cyanogenmod hasn't forgotten you guys.
Look if the g1 that 3 years ****ing year old can run ICS 4.0 os your phone can so be patient .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19649295
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************s 3 years old?

add119 said:
Who ever posted this stop making rumor up the original droid have good GPU better than Nexus one and ram is the same as hd2 . Both hd 2 and nexus one have Port of Ice cream sandwich and if you want ice cream wait till January. Trust me cyanogenmod hasn't forgotten you guys.
Look if the g1 that 3 years ****ing year old can run ICS 4.0 os your phone can so be patient .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19649295
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The Droid has 256 MB of RAM, the HD2 has 576...... That's not quite the same!

david636 said:
This shouldn't be new news to anyone considering the EOL for the D1 was pre Gingerbread.
There is a dev(cushzero) over at DF that is working on a D1 ICS rom.
Will it be perfect? Probably not.
Will it be usable? Maybe.
Do us D1 users need to upgrade? Absolutely!!
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how do you know this? i don't see anything from him on DF that says he's working on it?

i sent him a pm asking if he is working on it i said that there is a romor going around that he is working on ics and his words where "said romor is true"

I see that's good since cyanogenmod just dropped this phone
Liberated X2

Remember guys, this is just the official CM team talking. There are plenty of un-official CM7 builds for phones they don't officially support. I doubt ICS on Droid 1 will be any different, if only because of how many Droid 1 devices are out there.

your right im wrong lol well htc hd 2 have similar specs to htc desire original from europe my bad.

Have the devs just abandoned this phone?

I haven't seen any ROM updates or development news in some time. I was planning on getting the Nexus anyways, but I at least wanted the phone to have life after I passed it on.
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I've been waiting and hoping. I like my bionic a lot.
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We have liberty, that's enough for me. Liberty was all I ran (I tried others but always went back) on my Droid X, with my thunderbolt I only ran BAMF roms. I would like to see more customizable options like power control widget in the notification pull down.

Unfoetinitaly I agree. Having had the evo 4G and the thunderbolt, Dev for this phone seems dead.
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I disagree. Liberty was released just a few weeks ago, the the30ry dev has released two new ROMS, one of which was just updated yesterday, and eclipse will have a 5.7.893 update here soon. In addition, there are devs working to get ICS working on the bionic, and a CM7 project (although I don't know if that's in the works any longer as they have announced CM9 for January). I will say that few of these devs seem to be active on XDA any more, they're all on droidforums and rootzwiki. But they're out there.

It sounds more like the OP is abandoning the Bionic, not the devs.

Hashcode said:
It sounds more like the OP is abandoning the Bionic, not the devs.
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And I never tried to deny it. However, I'm passing on the phone to my girlfriend, and I didn't want her to be SOL when it came to the best part of owning an Android device.
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I think this is just part of the "downtime" between releases. We have an OTA on the way that may or may not have additional compared to whats leaked so a lot of devs IMO are waiting for that OTA to come out and then will update their Roms accordingly.
In addition a lot of 3rd party Roms use CM as a base so until CM is finished being ported to the Bionic, this front will probably remain dead. Once we see CM7 done and CM9 starting, i think you'll start to see a bunch of new roms pop up.

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I think this is just part of the "downtime" between releases. We have an OTA on the way that may or may not have additional compared to whats leaked so a lot of devs IMO are waiting for that OTA to come out and then will update their Roms accordingly.
In addition a lot of 3rd party Roms use CM as a base so until CM is finished being ported to the Bionic, this front will probably remain dead. Once we see CM7 done and CM9 starting, i think you'll start to see a bunch of new roms pop up.
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You're probably right.
Surely the parade of better more exciting devices isn't helping.
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I agree I feel UN loved
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Hmm.....
We're supposed to get the OTA and ICS....No???
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I feel the same way about the Photon, but we are making progress too.
Have you guys been able to unlock your bootloaders without loosing LTE? If so, you are at an advantage, but how many of you have developers with this phone?

There is a locked bootloader. The excellent devs have done most of what can be done without that being unlocked. They are not lazy, they just did so well that there is nothing to change until the bootloader is unlocked or motor/Verizon push ics.
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I understand, I am going through the same thing with my Photon, on Sprint, the Now Network.

The devs definitely haven't given up, the Th3ory T3am is working on getting CM9 to boot and a couple of devs over at DF are going through the source code to see if they can unlock the bootloader right now.

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There is a locked bootloader. The excellent devs have done most of what can be done without that being unlocked. They are not lazy, they just did so well that there is nothing to change until the bootloader is unlocked or motor/Verizon push ics.
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A locked BL isn't as big of a hindrance as people think ... really all it stops you from doing is running a custom kernel. You can still make custom roms and over/underclock. Sure it's not ideal bc you have to deal with 2nd init to run CM but otherwise there is still a lot of flexibility. Liberty, Th3ory and eclipse are perfect testaments to that.

it isn't as long as Motorola continues to create roms with kernals for the newest version of android and only as long as it is rootable. The min one of those two things stop happaning we will need kernel access to continue on

dB Zac said:
it isn't as long as Motorola continues to create roms with kernals for the newest version of android and only as long as it is rootable. The min one of those two things stop happaning we will need kernel access to continue on
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That's a good point. I would hope that at that point they would at least have the decency to unlock our BL... but who.knows. I'm holding out hope for project cheesecake ... yum I can smell the creamy goodness...
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The Razr came out, all hyped up, and now half of what you see on the forums is talking about how it's not that much different than the Bionic, and it clearly becomes a subjective issue, mainly based on form factor and pentile rgbw/lcd (bionic) vs pentile rgbg/samoled (razr).
The Gnex will likely be similar once it comes out and people realize that its not that much better either. It has pure ICS, but I bet we'll be seeing some of that by the time the Gnex is released anyway - at least some roms based on that source anyway.
Droid 4 is literally a Razr with a kb.
Rezound is great as well, but nothing tremendously better than these others.
My point is this... All of these new phones have something positive and something negative about them. I don't see any good reason why developers would stop supporting the bionic, as it is technically in the same league as all of these other phones. I don't think I'm being too much of an idealist ... at least that's my hope
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Android 4.1

Google is expected by some to announce Android 4.1 Jellybean next week along with their Nexus 7 tablet. Besides chrome integration and a new search widget, what do you guys think will be included with this update?
Since its coded 4.1 and not 5, i expect Android ICS devices will be updated to 4.1 as it is pretty soon to updgrade hardware requirements as 1gb is pretty muh still the standard adn most ICS devices have this amount of RAM. This said, do you guys think any developers will begin porting 4.1 to our devices, even with the hardware codecs and other issues still being prevelant? Would you guys really want it like this, half built?
If this update is good, would this persuade you to upgrade to the droid4, as it will have a higher probability of having a completely working port? since it has ICS now leaked and working, and still a high end phone, when not compared to the SIII atleast.

I think our device runs fine on Gingerbread still...
It would be nice for a port but the little development we have now is already stable with gingerbread.

It was leaked that the GNex will be getting 4.1. As for us running it... I would bet large sums of money against it working right.
From RootzWiki: Galaxy Nexus to get Jellybean 4.1
Screenshot proof:
http://rootzwiki.com/uploads/monthly_06_2012/ccs-808-0-41169000-1340388367_thumb.jpg
Although this is the GSM versions pictured, it won't be tough to build it from source for the CDMA GNex before it's pushed.

4.0.3 to 4.0.4 was pushed to most if not all custom ICS roms. I don't see why 4.1 would not follow, unless there are MAJOR changes which from what I've read there really aren't. I would expect Gummy and AOKP to bring it to their roms in the near future.
However I highly doubt it will change how we stand with our current issues and most likely may cause some new ones.

Ehhh gingerbread runs ok on our phones in my opinion, ics was ALOT faster for me. Im using elcipse right now and its fast but my benchmakrs with ics were much higher, os ran smoother too.
That is a good point by the poster above, so that is high hopes of seeing a port even though I know it wont bring any more features than we already have, except the minor changes to the OS. It will be fun to test though. In around 12 hours we will have better knowledgge of what Jwlly Bean has to offer

I'm sorry but what's the point in upgrading if we won't have a proper ICS on D3 anyway?

DoubleYouPee said:
I'm sorry but what's the point in upgrading if we won't have a proper ICS on D3 anyway?
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To make you wanna upgrade even more. I cant wait to get on ics, but since I need video its not gonna happen until I get a new phone
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DoubleYouPee said:
I'm sorry but what's the point in upgrading if we won't have a proper ICS on D3 anyway?
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Some people don't need video camera, like all the ics usersd we have now, and otherxs want to test the new operating system, since we do have safestrap. Id love to test it, even though it wont be my daily

Also, you guys should really check out jellybean. It seems to be a much more complete os.
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I'm working on a kexec based bootloader bypass on droid3. It's coming along and the kernel say half boots. Once it is going I think jellybean is a real possibility. Probably will just skip ICS all togeather.

jonpry said:
I'm working on a kexec based bootloader bypass on droid3. It's coming along and the kernel say half boots. Once it is going I think jellybean is a real possibility. Probably will just skip ICS all togeather.
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thanks! sounds interesting

I saw your post in the kexec thread, I wish I knew how to help with that, I recommend you contact the original kexec developers, (I forgot which phone they were on) to help.
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I hate "half done" anything... i would like to see it completed for our devices however its not persuading me to go to the D4 since i am a new verizon customer and my plan isnt up for renewal for another year.

jonpry said:
I'm working on a kexec based bootloader bypass on droid3. It's coming along and the kernel say half boots. Once it is going I think jellybean is a real possibility. Probably will just skip ICS all togeather.
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Oh really
So if you were able to get custom kernels working does that mean you could use something like a modded Bionic ICS kernel (since its very similar hardware) or would a kernel have to be made from scratch.

The Nexus S is getting an official Jellybean update, and it only has 512MB of memory, just like the Droid3.
I read that memory limitations are what prevented devices like the NexS and the Droid3 from getting properly updated to ICS. I also read that Jellybean probably has looser system requirements than ICS, due to optimizations.
I do hope we can get JellyBean, either officially or otherwise. I'd love to have Google Now and I'm only halfway through my two-year contract.

spunker88 said:
Oh really
So if you were able to get custom kernels working does that mean you could use something like a modded Bionic ICS kernel (since its very similar hardware) or would a kernel have to be made from scratch.
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Hashcode already has a custom kernel with the test rom I believe.
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xyzyxx said:
The Nexus S is getting an official Jellybean update, and it only has 512MB of memory, just like the Droid3.
I read that memory limitations are what prevented devices like the NexS and the Droid3 from getting properly updated to ICS. I also read that Jellybean probably has looser system requirements than ICS, due to optimizations.
I do hope we can get JellyBean, either officially or otherwise. I'd love to have Google Now and I'm only halfway through my two-year contract.
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That's crazy, I was wondering whether any singlecore 512MB RAM phone was getting JB.

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Hashcode already has a custom kernel with the test rom I believe.
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Correct. Also he has said that we will be able to get Jellybean. I would imagine with all he has learned this year, he can probably get it fully running now. Hwcodecs may be the showstopper though...again. In theory a workaround may be available since we have a custom kernel.
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Correct. Also he has said that we will be able to get Jellybean. I would imagine with all he has learned this year, he can probably get it fully running now. Hwcodecs may be the showstopper though...again. In theory a workaround may be available since we have a custom kernel.
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Well I assume it will be fully working eventually, i mean why else would he try it this way if the end result exactly as it is now?

RoadToNever said:
That's crazy, I was wondering whether any singlecore 512MB RAM phone was getting JB.
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512 is enough but I think the issue has something to do with RAM being shared with the GPU so there is less avaliable, I get something around 330MB as total RAM when adding the 2 numbers under running services. My Droid 3 running stock 2.3.4 with bloat frozen is using around 250 MB. My Touchpad with CM9 and a full 1GB of RAM idles at around 300MB of RAM used, and its going to be less conservative on RAM usage since its got a GB.
The point is I don't think a CM9/10 ROM will be much worse than a bloated GB ROM as far as RAM usage goes. I really wish we had some more RAM, but I could see CM9/10 being a daily driver sometime in the future. The rest of the hardware in this phone is still pretty decent and CM should be no problem for it as long as the team can get some drivers working.