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Each to there own I honesty don't care unless there being a bit*h
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To me there is nothing wrong with being an apple fan. The issues I have see with the ones that don't know why they support apple, the ones that tell me an iPod is better simply because its an iPod. As long as somebody can logically explain to me why they support the products they use I won't complain. Unfortunately there are ignorant blind fanboys in every group.
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I'm actually thinking of getting an iPhone 4S. Its so pretty.
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IRL, I have no problem with iPhone users (although I laugh in disdain whenever they dare whip out their phones near me), nor do I have any particular fondness of Android users (although 99% of them treat me as a cyber-freak when it comes to Android).
What I have problem with are haters and fanboys alike. Your insecurity is showing, and it is showing very strongly.
I don't hate apple or there fans unless like max said there being bitc*hes.
But i do prefer android as its more windows mobile like as being able to customize every little aspect of it.
I do have a 64gb ipod touch 4g as it has tons of space just for my music plus has apps that android doesnt.
I think u need best of both worlds.
Just i prefer android as my one that i take everywhere whereas i don't want an iphone cause its an ipod touch with a phone.
I've actually recommended Apple products to some people. They serve a purpsoe. Some people do better with things that are simple and corralled. There's nothing wrong with that.
I generally don't mind Apple fans unless they start telling me I should buy an iPhone just because its an iPhone.
Yeah, i think apple fans are those who are mad.
My aunt has an iPhone and tried it, overrated phone. period. . Honestly, I love my Dell Venue!
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The issues I have see with the ones that don't know why they support apple, the ones that tell me an iPod is better simply because its an iPod. As long as somebody can logically explain to me why they support the products they use I won't complain.
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QFT. almost no apple user can do this though, which is why i have such a low opinion of them.
EDIT: lemme amend that. almost no apple user can do that WITH VALID REASONS.
The thing that bugs me about most iPhone users and iPhone fans that I know, is that they are so oblivious to everything else and don't know anything about technology. For example: I'm in school and people start talking about iPhone 4s. Then people are like there's nothing different about it! And someone else is all yes its faster! And they don't even know the difference between dual core and single core. They think that because it is a product of apple that automatically its the latest and greatest advancements in technology when it is clear to users like us that they are simply playing catch-up. It just irritates me that people hype it up so much when they are so uneducated in the technology field. I will give them that it is very aesthetically appealing and that the UI does give it a very polished high quality speedy feeling device. I also wish that we had the dev support in our market that the app store does.
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I'm actually thinking of getting an iPhone 4S. Its so pretty.
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Alanrocks????
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Lol!!! Seriously I laughed my ass off when I saw this. Though, I know that not all iPhone owners are like this.
I have a buddy that had the 3g, hated it for a couple reasons. Then decided to get a Samsung Android phone through ATT. That drove him back to Apple. The primary reason was that the phone it self was horrible. And I agreed with him. I have a bit of a disdain for Samsung products. I have owned some my self, and was more than dissatisfied with there performances.
He also claimed that ios was easier to use. I disagreed with that. But, who am I to say what anybody's comprehension level is of anything. Personally, I find both Android and ios very easy to navigate and use. But hey, if the iPhone was easier for him to use. Then by golly I hope he is happy with it. To each there own.
I simply like the fact that Android is open source and that there is a pretty decent community of there for us. But, just like ios users. There are people that are idiots in here also. Hell I can't ever claim to be 100% not an idiot. But, I am learning still. That what it comes down to. Always be willing to learn and be humble about what you think you know. Because therewith always be some one out there that will trump some of your knowledge.
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Well I have both. I love my Android... very much. But on the other hand I really enjoy my iPhone as well. Not just because of the apps but also because I am a huge fan of my MacBook and I couldn't do anything without it. It just looks good and that is a very important factor for me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Lol!!! Seriously I laughed my ass off when I saw this. Though, I know that not all iPhone owners are like this.
I have a buddy that had the 3g, hated it for a couple reasons. Then decided to get a Samsung Android phone through ATT. That drove him back to Apple. The primary reason was that the phone it self was horrible. And I agreed with him. I have a bit of a disdain for Samsung products. I have owned some my self, and was more than dissatisfied with there performances.
He also claimed that ios was easier to use. I disagreed with that. But, who am I to say what anybody's comprehension level is of anything. Personally, I find both Android and ios very easy to navigate and use. But hey, if the iPhone was easier for him to use. Then by golly I hope he is happy with it. To each there own.
I simply like the fact that Android is open source and that there is a pretty decent community of there for us. But, just like ios users. There are people that are idiots in here also. Hell I can't ever claim to be 100% not an idiot. But, I am learning still. That what it comes down to. Always be willing to learn and be humble about what you think you know. Because therewith always be some one out there that will trump some of your knowledge.
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xD that video captures the attitude and tech knowledge of 98% of iPhone users PERFECTLY
hence my disdain for any iOS device.
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It is a pretty accurate description for sure, im not a fanboy nor will i ever be one but id definitely always choose Android every time over anything especially IOS.
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Agreed. They are very brainwashed by technology from Apple even if it existed years ago.
Oh, and can I borrow that quote to make my signature?
iPhones and iPads make non-tech people feel techie. Real techies know the difference.
The end.
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iPhones and iPads make non-tech people feel techie. Real techies know the difference.
The end.
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Agreed, I think most Apple people are sheeple, simply following the crowd. Or should I say following Apple marketing...
That's not to say that an iPhone is a bad device, I think it does have its good points, I just think there are better phones out there.
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More evidence...I take this as a good thing not bc ok getting one, which im not, but bc it will increase sprints customer database and slightly decrease the other twos...what's your guys take...oh yeah and Honda Cop approves this message
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Personally, I don't think it matters. If people want and iphone, they'll get one. It can only bring people in, and if its a flop, then they'll drop it.
Who cares? This is an Android forum.
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Oh my god...its about sprint...im not going to argue with you anymore. I have already talked to mods and admins via pm about this issue of people that always comment like you do. Sorry pm
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Who cares? This is an Android forum.
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***WARNING***
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2. Do not say anything positive about the iPhone4 at all.
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No kidding, people are so touchy these days, seriously grow a pair and man up its a fracking phone for christs sake...
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See thays the problem with people with iphones...they can't see the other side. They simply just say there device is better. See me along with many others can recognize the good and the bad and explain why the android device is better...there are two sides. No need to be 100 percent ignorant about one
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Beat me to it, im 20 years old and act more mature than most of the people on this forum
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No kidding, people are so touchy these days, seriously grow a pair and man up its a fracking phone for christs sake...
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Oh my god...its about sprint...im not going to argue with you anymore. I have already talked to mods and admins via pm about this issue of people that always comment like you do.
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Congratulations. And I know for a fact that the mods have talked to you about your poor posting habits. They have not told me that I am in error however.
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Congratulations. And I know for a fact that the mode have talked to you about your poor posting habits. They have not told me that I am in error however.
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Well that's not my problem...
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I love when more evidence arisiles.
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I love when more evidence arisiles.
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The (insert competitor phone) is so much better than the (insert the phone you care least about) so much so that I ask why it should be discussed in Evo forums
Sprint's network where I live is overloaded enough...I don't need more data intensive people hopping on, but at least it would shut my wife up...
Samwell thinks you guys need to stop acting like the "golden girls"
What what in the butt?
Hahaha
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Samwell thinks you guys need to stop acting like the "golden girls"
What what in the butt?
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Darn, there goes that sweet 30kbps "3G" download speed I have been enjoying lately.
My wife switched over to AT&T-mobile the other day and bought an iPhone. The OS runs very smoothly and sort of just 'works' like other Apple products. It's also a lot less clunky than the Evo.
Definitely a good phone for the masses.
I doubt many people accustomed to android would enjoy it though. I hate having to click on the settings icon and then search through all the sections of different settings options just to adjust my brightness.
With MIUI I just pull down my notifications bar and change all of that in an instant.
Also, widgets.
The operating systems are both absolutely fantastic after trying both of them in my opinion. It comes down to personal preference completely.
People don't give the iPhone enough credit... It's made so you know how to use it out of the box, which is what most people who have cell phones want.
We all, at xda, know about rooting and modifying our phones to make them do things they weren't originally intended to do... But you all have to realize... The majority of people with cell phones don't know how to do all of this modifying, and they probably don't care to...
Would I get an iPhone... Probably, if it had/gets a bigger screen. Am I dying to rush out and buy one... No. I like Android.
Agreed, I never thought about getting an eyephone because I don't like Fruitco. , but if I did it would need a much bigger screen, and 4g
So, Apples sues everyone under the moon, but takes every feature from Android, packages it up as some "magical" update and fanboys choke on .. edited this...
Wait, so... are all of the developers going to have to redo their apps to work on iOS 5... since it didnt have this notification bar earlier? Fragmentation?
I hate that the notification bar looks so good on iOS 5. Hate it, but you have to admit they made it better looking.
Moved this to my new Blog. If only I had this created before I made this rant.
Are details released already?
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So, Apples sues everyone under the moon, but takes every feature from Android, packages it up as some "magical" update and fanboys choke on the #*&% of Steve Jobs.
So annoyed.
Sorry.. not appropriate, had to vent.
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I know dude, they're basically taking everything we have, and even stuff from cydia!
I take it your watching the live stream also?
they even copied our vissual unlock thingy
Wow I was just reading about it. They are definitely copying a lot of things android has. Notification center??? Come on that's all android. Taking pictures with the volume button? Wow. Apple needs to stop taking android features and stick to ios crap..
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I really hope Jobs gets sued. I hate him with a passion.
How can they be suing companies (samsung) for not being innovative/taking their ideas... and be on stage introducing iOS5 as the latest/greatest when these feature are 3 years old on Android?
I don't know why, but Google REALLY should sue. If Microsoft gets $5 for every HTC Android device sold, Google should get $5 for every iOS device sold with iOS 5.
EDIT: LOLOL, THEY COPIED SENSE 3.0 WITH THE LOCKSCREEN WIDGETS THING. They're so ****ed.
EDIT2: Does anyone here think that Apple will try to sue Google for using "their" notification system?
Hey, look on the bright side. They still don't have Flash.
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Hey, look on the bright side. They still don't have Flash.
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xD
I mean, I have no problem with them having a ton of features that we have already, they need to learn that Android is superior, but the fact that Apple acts like they JUST came up with it is what pisses me off.
Well just saw and its nice to know that Apple is reintroducing android 1.5...
"sometimes to innovate, you have to copy."
-actual Gizmodo quote
They have been doing this for years! I remember back when iPhone first came out and they acted like web and email on your phone was a new thing. I had been doing it on Windows Mobile for years.
Am i missing something? No widgets???
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hahah its nice to know jobs running out of ideas....someone suggest him to make an
iAndroid app.....for easy access to android goodies....
On the brightside guys....ppl with iCrap can now actually be a tad happier. Imagine what it would be like if you were stuck wint iCrap and didn't have notifications and ppl you knew had that on Android. It felt almost as if you didn't have a smartphone.
Give them some slack.
Personally I see nothing wrong with taking other people's good ideas. I mean most PC operating systems are all based on the same digital ancestor. If I am trying to rip into an impenetrable bag a chips and see someone else do it well I will copy them and probably show other people something "I learned from that guy/gal over there". However...
Suing people who do something similar to you (especially in parallel research) is effed up. If they didn't go around patent trolling and suing everyone else in the business I would think "cool, good for iPhone folks", which i still believe, but at the same time I see Apple doing all these things and think "Fuuuuuu-!" especially when I think about a few months from now when they start a law suit to say someone pre-copied them or that after Apple copied them they continued doing it.
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I don't know why, but Google REALLY should sue. If Microsoft gets $5 for every HTC Android device sold, Google should get $5 for every iOS device sold with iOS 5.
EDIT: LOLOL, THEY COPIED SENSE 3.0 WITH THE LOCKSCREEN WIDGETS THING. They're so ****ed.
EDIT2: Does anyone here think that Apple will try to sue Google for using "their" notification system?
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...wait Microsoft gets money from HTC?
degeneration said:
Personally I see nothing wrong with taking other people's good ideas. I mean most PC operating systems are all based on the same digital ancestor. If I am trying to rip into an impenetrable bag a chips and see someone else do it well I will copy them and probably show other people something "I learned from that guy/gal over there". However...
Suing people who do something similar to you (especially in parallel research) is effed up. If they didn't go around patent trolling and suing everyone else in the business I would think "cool, good for iPhone folks", which i still believe, but at the same time I see Apple doing all these things and think "Fuuuuuu-!" especially when I think about a few months from now when they start a law suit to say someone pre-copied them or that after Apple copied them they continued doing it.
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Apple sued Samsung for a couple of logos, and the box around the logos(app drawer), basically. LOL
I am wondering how an OS that is "open source" and thrives on expansion and adaptation can sue anybody for taking a "feature" that is on just about everything. I think the sue'ing game has gotten way out of hand. Just make make your shot and if people want it they will buy it....
Oh and on another note. As far as re-introducing Android 1.5 features, I think they are just going to perfect it like they have most of their other stuff.
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Sheesh! Google has a history that is completely obscure to the general public. Apple says Android's Rubin worked for them in the '90s. APIs are a product of Apple, according to what they are saying.
http://gizmodo.com/5837045/apple-claims-android-started-with-them
Possibly more smoke from Apple. Why bring this up now? Hopefully the judge is knowledgeable enough to sift thru what is real or not. Judge is a judge and not an engineer, so I doubt he's written code before. I myself don't know enough about APIs in question to comment this.
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Another thing. The CEO of Google held a seat on Apple Board of Directors for a long time.
So, I drink Pepsi and Coke. Off brands sometimes too.
Lol whats next? They really want to shut android down
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Apple seems really desperate at this point to try to put a road block on Androids success.
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rooting for apple as it will just open up the market for wp7
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Possibly more smoke from Apple. Why bring this up now?
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Apple is desperate. Their attempts to litigate Android products from the market are not working. So even if it probably really is just smoke and PR maneuvers with nothing substantial behind it, in their desperation Apple will do anything.
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Another thing. The CEO of Google held a seat on Apple Board of Directors for a long time.
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Yeah, and? Are you accusing him of corporate espionage?
z33dev33l said:
rooting for apple as it will just open up the market for wp7
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Nice try on stirring up the pot. WP7 is nothing, will never be anything. Look at how terrible it is doing in this market. Apple and Google will continue to claw it out in phone sales while Microsoft sits on the sidelines. None of the general public goes into a best buy or at&t looking for a WP7, nor will they walk out with one. They want a cool looking OS and phone and some variety to choose from. Not some bleak tiles invented by a first grade class.
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Yeah, and? Are you accusing him of corporate espionage?
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You didn't quote my whole statement.
Its obviously desperate times at Apple. Especially if there really is no iPhone 5. OR especially if there is a iPhone 5 but it looks like a GSII.
Apple must be really going down hill.
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why apple always sue every they competitor?? they're can't make more innovation ??
This happens with Steve Jobs .
Tim Cook never made a difference .
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Google! wins ya
Remember Skynet? Google's eating the world, a little bit at a time.
I think Apple will burn out and fade away, because Android's main target is us: the open-sourced, geeky, "I NEED TO MODIFY AND LIBERATE MY SMARTPHONE" community. Now, dish that out versus the aesthetically perfect society over at Apple. Yes, they have a lot of apps. So do we. I can see it on the breaking news:
"Google buys Apple's R&D mobile department"
"WhatsApp, Inc. starts negotiations with search giant Google"
"Nokia is taken aboard by Google"
When that happens, (without going off-topic and trying to prove my point), Google will dominate and Android will be everything we'll see.
But, anything might happen, who I am to know?
PS: Ironically, Android's builds are named after desserts.
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PS: Ironically, Android's builds are named after desserts.
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Wich is the main reason I use it.. Who doesnt love dessert?
Apple is trying to buy them self some time, they have wasted alot of hours making lawsuits against every other competitor... Wich leaves them behind
And I would like to see an iPhone with android, Google join in to say, U mad bro?
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Remember Skynet? Google's eating the world, a little bit at a time.
I think Apple will burn out and fade away, because Android's main target is us: the open-sourced, geeky, "I NEED TO MODIFY AND LIBERATE MY SMARTPHONE" community. Now, dish that out versus the aesthetically perfect society over at Apple. Yes, they have a lot of apps. So do we. I can see it on the breaking news:
"Google buys Apple's R&D mobile department"
"WhatsApp, Inc. starts negotiations with search giant Google"
"Nokia is taken aboard by Google"
When that happens, (without going off-topic and trying to prove my point), Google will dominate and Android will be everything we'll see.
But, anything might happen, who I am to know?
PS: Ironically, Android's builds are named after desserts.
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Skynet actually exists though, it's currently under British military control.
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Wich is the main reason I use it.. Who doesnt love dessert?
Apple is trying to buy them self some time, they have wasted alot of hours making lawsuits against every other competitor... Wich leaves them behind
And I would like to see an iPhone with android, Google join in to say, U mad bro?
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Now that would be sweet! A fantastic thing, for sure. The goodness of Android mixed with the superior hardware and build quality of Apple.
Even more than that, let Apple adopt Android and finesse and smooth it out to their higher standards. What an overwhelming affair.
Sorry, but what superior hardware and quality? Don't drink the kool aid.
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Bring it up now after Google bought Motorolla so now they have their own phone brand with nothing useful to put on it. Just a thought.
google all day!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you guys think about this?
I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.Steve JobsApple
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Here's the link to read more.
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What do you guys think about this?
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I think it's off topic for the general section of the Samsung Galaxy S II forum.
Just to think of it.. He also copied the mouse (i think) and so called innovated it.. Psss
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I think it's off topic for the general section of the Samsung Galaxy S II forum.
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I think it relates because it is between iOS and Android w/c is the OS of SGS2 and i want the opinions of my fellow SGS2 users.. But if the mods want to move this they can freely do so..
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What do you guys think about this?
Here's the link to read more.
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I thank god I'm not an Apple sheep . I hear Apple's iOS 5 has a brand new pull down notification bar.. And Android's supposedly copying Apple? Lol it's just a good laugh in my opinion
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I thank god I'm not an Apple sheep . I hear Apple's iOS 5 has a brand new pull down notification bar.. And Android's supposedly copying Apple? Lol it's just a good laugh in my opinion
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Yeah, now it's time for android to sue apple.. No words can explain how angry i was when i read about this article..
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that is pathetic -.-
Its just simple business, destroy the competition before they grow even stronger. This extends itself beyond phones to ipads, tablets and anything that competes with Apple.
After all Google acquired the developer of Android in 2005 and it was listed as distributed in 2007. Only until recently have Apple became very agressive in terms of suing and other lawsuits etc. Why? Because he realised just how much of a threat Android has become.
Windows could copy him, he woudnt have cared less but after all, last quarter of 2010 Android was listed as the best selling platform with over 190million Android devices to date.
Only makes sense for Apple to want to curb this growth although the reality is those who loves Apple products will never learn. They could release an iphone 5 with next to no new features and people will still go crazy and line up for days to buy it. They cant do any wrong but those Apple fans should be thanking the healthy competition Android provides because its due this competition that both platforms have lifted their game to out do eachother. SG2 is only as good as it is so it can sell agressively, its the only way potential Iphone owners will consider swapping and due to Android phones like this, Iphone have to provide more features to continue growing instead of crap like Iphone 4s which really is a pathetic upgrade (well not for Apple given how limited the Iphone 4 was) but in reality the features it offers is what many Android phones (LG, Motorolla, HTC, Samsung) have offered for a while.
Either way i dont mind Apple being popular, it forces Android phones to be even better so consumers win either way
I love android but He was good man
I think it's actually quite sad and pathetic the obsession he buiilt up about destroying Android, never mind fairytales about stealing it was all in his mind, he thought he was the main man and Apple were THE most advanced when it came to technology but couldn't hack it when Android came in and pulled the carpet from under him and Apple so decided to cry foul and accuse them of all sorts and issue patent after patent, that doesn't sound to me like a "technology genius" rather a bitter man who simply couldn't accept Apple were being brushed aside by Android.
Anyway this is probably for the general forum.
Just my two cents anyway.
I think he won't succeed.
Who cares what Steve MOD EDIT Jobs said, he was just a glorified marketing man. Apple is rotten to its core - a bit like Jobs now.
I think Larry Ellison will destroy Android for him.
I think that, without Steve Jobs, we wouldn't have these fancy android phones. There wouldn't be a dual-core 1.2ghz phone running an extremely customizable O.S without Apple creating the iPhone. But now there is.
Its called innovation. Company 1 makes a product that sells well. Company 2 "copies" them and creates a different and/or better product. Company 1 then releases an upgrade and tries to beat. Company 2's product. Its never ending and allows for products to improve at an extremely fast rate. That is, until company 1 sues everyone who improved upon their product and is now outselling them!
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How? Unless he has an ipad and a router in his box...
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Was surprise in Steve's book about the bit on Gorilla glass. Was invented in the 60s but Corning couldn't find a use for it. The original iphone was suppose to have a plastic screen but Steve wanted it with glass instead. So his friend suggested he talk to Corning about it.
Corning haven't been making this stuff and Apple wanted this stuff in 6 months for the launch. They converted an lcd plant and got their best people to make the glass.
Apple should have taken out an exclusive license on it. Who knows maybe Steve thinks Andriod stole the glass too.
Android Central posted a good article on this subject: http://tinyurl.com/6l5ps8z
And regarding slide to unlock, it's like ford getting a patent on car doors.
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Is this news to you?
Apple does not like competition. That's nothing new.
He was only afraid because Android got so extremely popular by being the direct opposite of iOS. Open-source and not restrictive.
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What do you guys think about this?
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I think that thread name is wrong... It should say "Steve Jobs WANTED to destroy Android"
jangomango said:
How? Unless he has an ipad and a router in his box...
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That is no use to him, as he always thinks out of the box.
Ok. One of the points I meant by this WHOLE thread was NOT about how you can improve iOS or iPhone. Frankly there are way too many people who already postulated that on the whole of XDA and the interwebs.
I want to encourage people replying to this thread to put on their thinking caps, and think of what sort of futuristic product they can think of that may very well be a potential innovation from Apple. Not a phone, nor an iPad, nothing about iOS. Break free from that shackle. Steve always said that there is no way you can make a great product buy surveying the market and asking them what they want as consumers never know what they want until they see it and so you should think what will be the next revolution....
Soooooooooo...
The idea of this thread is this: (which got lost due to my frankly poor OP)
What would you say the next innovation is.
(P.S: I mention Apple in this thread a lot because traditionally they really where the pioneers of most major trends in electronics - Mac for GUI, then iPods then the in thing - smartphones with great GUI).
Soooooo, commence the scuffle!
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Original OP (which was badly written and distracted from my main idea) can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31513203&postcount=14
Actually Apple is doing very well for itself right now. It might backfire in the future but for now they are raking in money.
lol @ some random dude on xda saying he could run the most profitable company in the history of this planet better than they could. Man if they'd only found you sooner...
apple is the most valuable stock in NSE,
so its feeding off the rich isheeps
veeman said:
Actually Apple is doing very well for itself right now. It might backfire in the future but for now they are raking in money.
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The point is not that Apple is making losses now. The point was not really about profits. The point was making innovative products that they used to do on a regular basis (iPods, then the iPod nano when they first came) and then the iPhone/iTouch. But now they are just not innovating - either by making cool new products Or improving the existent one.
So, what would u do to give us the "wow" factor from Apple. The resounding wow that everyone said when the iPhone debuted. What would that be?
litetaker said:
The point is not that Apple is making losses now. The point was not really about profits. The point was making innovative products that they used to do on a regular basis (iPods, then the iPod nano when they first came) and then the iPhone/iTouch. But now they are just not innovating - either by making cool new products Or improving the existent one.
So, what would u do to give us the "wow" factor from Apple. The resounding wow that everyone said when the iPhone debuted. What would that be?
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wow = overpriced gadget + mass media advertising + huge battalion of rich dumbas*es
orangekid said:
lol @ some random dude on xda saying he could run the most profitable company in the history of this planet better than they could. Man if they'd only found you sooner...
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Steve Jobs when he first started off, was really into making products that "wow" people. He was also very business minded but still he did heavy investment and caused smaller profits because he spent a lot of time, effort and money on innovation. Same thing at the company "Next". I know I can't make Apple make MORE money than it does now, on its current line up. I am not a marketing or business guru...
I think you fail to see the point I make, oh good sir. What I am saying is Apple lost all innovation and is now purely gaining success on past success and marketing things to people.
And I claim I can and probably you can come up with "better" innovations than Apple does.
And so my question remains: What will you do at Apple as a CEO/Chief Designer that makes us WOW.
Because, if you feel "wow-ed" by Apple's current products, you probably have set a very (keyword: "very") low bar.
litetaker said:
Steve Jobs when he first started off, was really into making products that "wow" people. He was also very business minded but still he did heavy investment and caused smaller profits because he spent a lot of time, effort and money on innovation. Same thing at the company "Next". I know I can't make Apple make MORE money than it does now, on its current line up. I am not a marketing or business guru...
I think you fail to see the point I make, oh good sir. What I am saying is Apple lost all innovation and is now purely gaining success on past success and marketing things to people.
And I claim I can and probably you can come up with "better" innovations than Apple does.
And so my question remains: What will you do at Apple as a CEO/Chief Designer that makes us WOW.
Because, if you feel "wow-ed" by Apple's current products, you probably have set a very (keyword: "very") low bar.
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That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that if you ran this specific corporation you would not be in it for profit but you would basically just have crazy R&D going to "innovate"
You don't need a corporation or a logo or to run someone else's company for that, you just need money.
Your title is misleading, this is basically just "If you had 20 billion dollars in capital, what would you spend it on as far as R&D goes without trying to attain the most profit but just to be 'innovative'?"
In which case I would say Google Glass is basically what I'd be into, like set up a full AR network as picture in the awesome as hell sci fi book 'Daemon" by Daniel Suarez, and integrate that into your cell phone/communications and stuff.
And as to your claim that you can "run Apple better than Apple does" what you're actually saying is "In my opinion if I had all that capital made from not being original except maybe the very first iteration of the iPhone, I would spend it all not on what has made profit for me but on in what my opinion would be more "innovative" than what I consider the latest rendering of the iPhone to be"
It's the most arbitrary and subjective statement ever. I could just as easily say "If I ran McDonald's I would introduce hormone free big beef patties and sugar free buns because that is much better for you and not just about cheap profit like the current management, like the old days when it was about making burgers, not money"
i mean you could say that about any aspect of any company. Bottom line is you would probably run that company into the ground within 2 years.
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That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that if you ran this specific corporation you would not be in it for profit but you would basically just have crazy R&D going to "innovate"
You don't need a corporation or a logo or to run someone else's company for that, you just need money.
Your title is misleading, this is basically just "If you had 20 billion dollars in capital, what would you spend it on as far as R&D goes without trying to attain the most profit but just to be 'innovative'?"
In which case I would say Google Glass is basically what I'd be into, like set up a full AR network as picture in the awesome as hell sci fi book 'Daemon" by Daniel Suarez, and integrate that into your cell phone/communications and stuff.
And as to your claim that you can "run Apple better than Apple does" what you're actually saying is "In my opinion if I had all that capital made from not being original except maybe the very first iteration of the iPhone, I would spend it all not on what has made profit for me but on in what my opinion would be more "innovative" than what I consider the latest rendering of the iPhone to be"
It's the most arbitrary and subjective statement ever. I could just as easily say "If I ran McDonald's I would introduce hormone free big beef patties and sugar free buns because that is much better for you and not just about cheap profit like the current management, like the old days when it was about making burgers, not money"
i mean you could say that about any aspect of any company. Bottom line is you would probably run that company into the ground within 2 years.
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You are making hasty conclusions and clubbing different sentences of mine out of context! Oh my gawd! How is it difficult for people to understand the following simple point I am making!?
Let me break it down for you, Internet style:
1) Do you think Apple is making the best and most innovative product every year?
A) NO.
2) Why?
A) Clearly there isn't one feature on iPhone 5 that isn't already there elsewhere. They just caught up with others. No innovation, and I am a sad panda.
3) Do you think spending some money in a multibillion dollar company for innovation is a good idea?
A) Yes. It will help differentiate their product and add value to it so people find it worth buying.
4) Do you think that will reduce profits?
A) In the long term definitely not. In the short term, may be but given the size of the company it is clearly worth investing for R&D.
5) Did other companies make interesting innovations THAT APPLE hasn't made?
A) Hell yes.
And (5) is my point people! Stop blindly trying to defend a corporation you like and just hear me out once. All I am saying is, and I bet you will agree, is that Apple didn't improve upon their OS/product in certain aspects thereby leading to not the best of the breed. I agree it is subjective, but still it is probably agreeable to a lot. The whole UI is still the same as before. They use a single button to accomplish 10 different things. Press the button one way and you get the homescreen, another way and you get access to task manager, another way and voice control. that is not particularly a fun thing to do. And then the homescreen is near useless for productivity.
For the first few generations of iOS, they were fine. But as the OS refines, it should try to change some of the ailing aspects of it. But they aren't doing that. And I bet even people like you and me can come up with those things. Most improvements to iOS that were "cool" came from the Jailbreak community (the stuff on the lockscreen giving info about various things - they hired a Jailbreaker to code it into iOS)
So, give me a break when you defend a company. When an ordinary developer on XDA or elsewhere can themselves come up with an idea that seems obvious (I mean, right from day one I was frustrated that my iPod touch did nothing on the homescreen other than just show me a wallpaper) I think I have justified what I mean by even I can do better than Apple.
It is a figure of speech, damnit! Why don't you see that and take it at face value and instead think of me as arrogant. I am just a frustrated ex-iOS user who understands both sides and kinda hates seeing Apple dig its own grave, slowly.... Marketing can take you only so far when people realize that they aren't getting what they want from their phone... and of course, there are iSheep as well... anyway point made. See y'all!
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Side note: So as a consumer, you rather have a company MAKE the MOST profit out of you rather than they innovate? Are you telling me you are a billionaire and you wish for these greedy corporations to take more of your hard-earned money and rip you off more easily? Doesn't sound look good advice to me.
litetaker said:
You are making hasty conclusions and clubbing different sentences of mine out of context! Oh my gawd! How is it difficult for people to understand the following simple point I am making!?
Let me break it down for you, Internet style:
1) Do you think Apple is making the best and most innovative product every year?
A) NO.
2) Why?
A) Clearly there isn't one feature on iPhone 5 that isn't already there elsewhere. They just caught up with others. No innovation, and I am a sad panda.
3) Do you think spending some money in a multibillion dollar company for innovation is a good idea?
A) Yes. It will help differentiate their product and add value to it so people find it worth buying.
4) Do you think that will reduce profits?
A) In the long term definitely not. In the short term, may be but given the size of the company it is clearly worth investing for R&D.
5) Did other companies make interesting innovations THAT APPLE hasn't made?
A) Hell yes.
And (5) is my point people! Stop blindly trying to defend a corporation you like and just hear me out once. All I am saying is, and I bet you will agree, is that Apple didn't improve upon their OS/product in certain aspects thereby leading to not the best of the breed. I agree it is subjective, but still it is probably agreeable to a lot. The whole UI is still the same as before. They use a single button to accomplish 10 different things. Press the button one way and you get the homescreen, another way and you get access to task manager, another way and voice control. that is not particularly a fun thing to do. And then the homescreen is near useless for productivity.
For the first few generations of iOS, they were fine. But as the OS refines, it should try to change some of the ailing aspects of it. But they aren't doing that. And I bet even people like you and me can come up with those things. Most improvements to iOS that were "cool" came from the Jailbreak community (the stuff on the lockscreen giving info about various things - they hired a Jailbreaker to code it into iOS)
So, give me a break when you defend a company. When an ordinary developer on XDA or elsewhere can themselves come up with an idea that seems obvious (I mean, right from day one I was frustrated that my iPod touch did nothing on the homescreen other than just show me a wallpaper) I think I have justified what I mean by even I can do better than Apple.
It is a figure of speech, damnit! Why don't you see that and take it at face value and instead think of me as arrogant. I am just a frustrated ex-iOS user who understands both sides and kinda hates seeing Apple dig its own grave, slowly.... Marketing can take you only so far when people realize that they aren't getting what they want from their phone... and of course, there are iSheep as well... anyway point made. See y'all!
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Side note: So as a consumer, you rather have a company MAKE the MOST profit out of you rather than they innovate? Are you telling me you are a billionaire and you wish for these greedy corporations to take more of your hard-earned money and rip you off more easily? Doesn't sound look good advice to me.
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My point is that from a business standpoint with that type of attitude you would run the company into the ground.
From an "innovative" standpoint those are your opinions on iOS, which mirror everyone who doesn't like iOS's opinions. We've heard it a million times from every user on these forums.
You disagree with how Apple is run, that's fine. But this is all arbitrary and subjective. There plenty of "intelligent" people who could provide a good argument for iOS 6 being better than JellyBean, starting with the malware ratio for one.
Every one of your questions/answers is arbitrary. That's why we have choices. Don't like iOS? buy Android. Don't like either? Buy WP8. Don't like one of those 3? Tough ****.
Let's go thru your checklist as an Apple fan would (you can see from my signature which phone I currently love to rock).
1) Yes, they always have the fastest CPU/GPU, the best battery life, the best DPI (except maybe a couple crazy ass Japanese phones), arguably the best camera only to be compared with PureView, and the best form factor.
2) Let's talk features. There was already no competitor for Siri on the 4S. S Voice utterly sucks and doesn't recognize what I say half the time. Google Now is kinda cool but doesn't talk back the same way as Siri does, now with iOS 6 update it takes it to a new level. The form factor is the best. Not cheap Samsung plastic, Aluminum + Glass on the back, squared form factor with a new elongated 4" screen that you can STILL easily hold and type with one hand. The A6 processor out benches even the new exynos quad core.
3) They have an R&D department...
4) If you spend too much on R&D and not enough on other things, then yes, you have to have the perfect balance like Apple.
5) Yes, just like Apple has made innovations that others haven't made. Hence choices...
You see, it can be argued either way.
Your opinion is that Apple isn't "innovative" same as most of the people on XDA, you're not bringing anything new to light. You're just saying you don't think Apple is "innovative"
That's fine, you can have your opinion, but that's all it is, opinion.
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all of your side note is conjecture. You think Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt aren't in it for the money you are insane. But they also want to make cool **** I'm sure, just like Apple does.
orangekid said:
My point is that from a business standpoint with that type of attitude you would run the company into the ground.
From an "innovative" standpoint those are your opinions on iOS, which mirror everyone who doesn't like iOS's opinions. We've heard it a million times from every user on these forums.
You disagree with how Apple is run, that's fine. But this is all arbitrary and subjective. There plenty of "intelligent" people who could provide a good argument for iOS 6 being better than JellyBean, starting with the malware ratio for one.
Every one of your questions/answers is arbitrary. That's why we have choices. Don't like iOS? buy Android. Don't like either? Buy WP8. Don't like one of those 3? Tough ****.
Let's go thru your checklist as an Apple fan would (you can see from my signature which phone I currently love to rock).
1) Yes, they always have the fastest CPU/GPU, the best battery life, the best DPI (except maybe a couple crazy ass Japanese phones), arguably the best camera only to be compared with PureView, and the best form factor.
2) Let's talk features. There was already no competitor for Siri on the 4S. S Voice utterly sucks and doesn't recognize what I say half the time. Google Now is kinda cool but doesn't talk back the same way as Siri does, now with iOS 6 update it takes it to a new level. The form factor is the best. Not cheap Samsung plastic, Aluminum + Glass on the back, squared form factor with a new elongated 4" screen that you can STILL easily hold and type with one hand. The A6 processor out benches even the new exynos quad core.
3) They have an R&D department...
4) If you spend too much on R&D and not enough on other things, then yes, you have to have the perfect balance like Apple.
5) Yes, just like Apple has made innovations that others haven't made. Hence choices...
You see, it can be argued either way.
Your opinion is that Apple isn't "innovative" same as most of the people on XDA, you're not bringing anything new to light. You're just saying you don't think Apple is "innovative"
That's fine, you can have your opinion, but that's all it is, opinion.
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all of your side note is conjecture. You think Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt aren't in it for the money you are insane. But they also want to make cool **** I'm sure, just like Apple does.
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Alright, I can agree with you here. Hmm... anyway, I really should think of a better topic to discuss on off-topic @xda. I kinda suck at picking good and "fun" things to argue about. Not even 3 pages, and already the debate here became heavy and I guess will eventually become pointless. Anyway, good to hear ur points too... I'm off to cooking up more light-hearted and probably more fun topics!
Up and away!
I'm only going to dispute one thing with you: the HTC Rezound has a higher PPI than the iPhone, and it certainly isn't some crazy Chinese phone lol.
iPhone 5 = 326PPI
Rezound = 342PPI
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litetaker said:
Alright, I can agree with you here. Hmm... anyway, I really should think of a better topic to discuss on off-topic @xda. I kinda suck at picking good and "fun" things to argue about. Not even 3 pages, and already the debate here became heavy and I guess will eventually become pointless. Anyway, good to hear ur points too... I'm off to cooking up more light-hearted and probably more fun topics!
Up and away!
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lol, every thread in this forum is pointless, and I argue just to argue half the time. Your topic was fine, I kinda just ran in a totally other direction with it.
If you just opened a thread saying "if you had a bagillion dollars what would you develop?" without using buzzwords like "iPhone" you'd do fine.
SteveG12543 said:
I'm only going to dispute one thing with you: the HTC Rezound has a higher PPI than the iPhone, and it certainly isn't some crazy Chinese phone lol.
iPhone 5 = 326PPI
Rezound = 342PPI
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Word. Forgot about the 4.3" 720p.
BUT I said Japanese, not Chinese. I win!!
Original crappy OP
The New OP was taken from this post. The original OP is here and the New OP from this post went to the OP making it the current OP
Well, it is a ballsy statement to say that one could run Apple better than someone experienced in the industry, especially since it is a multibillion dollar company. I say that smells.
Even I can run that company better and I have never, ever worked in an industry so far (unless you call interning at a company work experience).
It is not hard to see why. They are doing no innovation and 100% litigation. And all I see in their various products is upping the specs and prices and that's it. That is NOT innovation. It may be challenging to squeeze in more pixels in the same area, but guess WHAT. Apple didn't make that! It was hardworking other companies that manufacture better displays, better processors and chips that made that happen. Apple merely puts things together. In the light of this realization, we can clearly see that Apple did zilch, nada, शून्य, zéro, 零, нуль. No matter what language you speak, it will translate to "absolutely nothing". They did not improve the OS, just did minor tweaks or introduced features no one cares about (Siri, iMessages is a failure in implementation, facebook integration that I can do without, more facebook in my life != better life). Oh they added a new row of static and boring icons. If you see the jailbreak community, a good chunk of iOS users hate the interface and still stick with it. Beyond my understanding.
Oh, did I say absolutely nothing? My bad, I meant yes they did something alright - slow down an entire industry via litigation because "they couldn't come up with a new idea, boo-fricking-hoo!" It makes me think of the spoiled brat in the sandbox who fell down and wants to make others fall down too as he got hurt.
Side note: I never really thought Steve Jobs was involved in all the decisions made for the iPhone, but now it looks like he may have spear-headed the iPhone division after all. After he passed away, looks like the hard work he put in and the company he built is gonna die again (sad in some ways but also serves them right for bringing bad karma by suing Android and the Android device manufacturers).
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Long story short, I want this thread to be innovative, wacky, weird and funny ideas for the following question:
What would you do differently, if you were the CEO of Apple?
Try to think without fanboy-ism. Imagine you were suddenly given control to this powerful corporation, you need no longer think about Android and all, so let your answer NOT be to destroy iOS and let Android win. Though that would be awesome. I want to see if we can come up with better products AND features in existing ones to warrant the name of this topic (which is we can run Apple better than Apple).
commence the scuffle!
orangekid said:
lol, every thread in this forum is pointless, and I argue just to argue half the time. Your topic was fine, I kinda just ran in a totally other direction with it.
If you just opened a thread saying "if you had a bagillion dollars what would you develop?" without using buzzwords like "iPhone" you'd do fine.
Word. Forgot about the 4.3" 720p.
BUT I said Japanese, not Chinese. I win!!
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Well, frankly they are Taiwanese! Whoops, you lose again!
+1 for the शून्य thing!
This forum has been overrun with Apple/iOS/iPhone threads lately. For the Android fan boys some of you claim to be, you seem extremely obsessed with Apple. I am not talking about any one person or group, just in general. js
litetaker said:
Ok. One of the points I meant by this WHOLE thread was NOT about how you can improve iOS or iPhone. Frankly there are way too many people who already postulated that on the whole of XDA and the interwebs.
I want to encourage people replying to this thread to put on their thinking caps, and think of what sort of futuristic product they can think of that may very well be a potential innovation from Apple. Not a phone, nor an iPad, nothing about iOS. Break free from that shackle. Steve always said that there is no way you can make a great product buy surveying the market and asking them what they want as consumers never know what they want until they see it and so you should think what will be the next revolution....
Soooooooooo...
The idea of this thread is this: (which got lost due to my frankly poor OP)
What would you say the next innovation is.
(P.S: I mention Apple in this thread a lot because traditionally they really where the pioneers of most major trends in electronics - Mac for GUI, then iPods then the in thing - smartphones with great GUI).
Soooooo, commence the scuffle!
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lol touche.
Well to answer you, I think Google Goggles used with AR in a sort of virtual world in plain site like that book Daemon would be pretty awesome.
is there a thread for "Why i hate android?" around here
deathnotice01 said:
is there a thread for "Why i hate android?" around here
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Yes..should be somewhere around iphone-developers.com!
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