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Just saw the news that the Tab 2 is 10.1". I had been waiting to buy a tablet for the Tab 2 with hopes of the upgraded hardware and still a 7" screen. I don't want a 10" screen for a tab.
I guess i'm just looking to see if the hardware on the Tab 1 is good enough for most things.
Guess I'm just disappointed in a 10".
Will you be using it as a phone? If yes, I would ask to re-think it twice about 10" for a phone lol
I actually am thinking about letting mine go and get a Dell Streak phone (the 5"). While I love the tab but I kinda miss being able to toss it in my pocket and don't have to use bluetooth.
Or you can just wait until Honeycomb will be released, at that time you will have an upgrade in your GT 7" from Samsung or from XDA.
At the moment the Hardware is capable enough to make everything you want, record video at 720, watch HD movies or play HD Games...
Personally, I would not move to a 10" Tab, as a 7" fits my needs.
I'm not moving. I don't have 1.
I was waiting to buy a tab till the 2, but it's 10". I've played with my friends Ipad, besides being locked down, I don't like how big it is. I really like the 7" size.
I don't think in NA I can use it as a phone. PLus I don't think I want a CDMA tab even tho My cell is Verizon.
I'm using it mainly as GPS, Game, email, hopefully Skype, etc. All over wifi. I travel for my job and would like to have this, and wherever I go I have wifi, and refuse to pay ~30-40/month for a data plan or w/e.
So was just looking to see if people felt I should get the 7". I mean I know it's my decisions, I guess I just want to know based on what I want to use it for, does it do it well.
I do plan on rooting it and stuff, I heard some of the ROM's actually remove a ton of the lag, and I doubt samsung will release HoneyComb so was hoping a xda developer would for the Tab, and the Tab would be powerful enough to run it.
The 10" was a big downer. I dont see any real use for a tab just in the home and a 10" is to big to have with you all the time plus its heavy for the hands/wrists to use longer times.
Now when im running Rotos JMI ontop a 1,4GHz ext4 kernel i cant realy ask for much more. The tab works great and are quick in the perfect format.
Would be fun if hc get ported to the sgt. But i will never buy a 10" when they are almost completly useless in my eyes.
EDIT: And i use my sgt as phone so i have it on me all the time. It fits in my front pockets on my pants without problems, but im a big dude so i have big pockets
robertsydbrink said:
The 10" was a big downer. I dont see any real use for a tab just in the home and a 10" is to big to have with you all the time plus its heavy for the hands/wrists to use longer times.
Now when im running Rotos JMI ontop a 1,4GHz ext4 kernel i cant realy ask for much more. The tab works great and are quick in the perfect format.
Would be fun if hc get ported to the sgt. But i will never buy a 10" when they are almost completly useless in my eyes.
EDIT: And i use my sgt as phone so i have it on me all the time. It fits in my front pockets on my pants without problems, but im a big dude so i have big pockets
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I got big pockets too, the 7" fits.
I thought the tab 1 was 1GHZ not 1.4?. But you like it alot?
I don't think I can get calling in USA.
I'm glad the Tab 10.1 turned out to be a larger device. Now i can stop trying to figure out how to afford to upgrade, and stay with the Tab1 with its 7" of goodness.
dardack said:
I got big pockets too, the 7" fits.
I thought the tab 1 was 1GHZ not 1.4?. But you like it alot?
I don't think I can get calling in USA.
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He's flashed it with a custom kernel to run at 1.4.
If you buy the AT&T version, you can indeed get voice calling in the US, after you flash it with Euro firmware and insert a SIM from a voice plan device. You can also get it with the T-Mobile version, but there's a few issues with that. Good news is that both versions can use international firmware no problem, even if you don't want/use voice calling.
I'd stay the hell away from the Sprint and Verizon devices for a couple of reasons. The first is that they have less internal memory (2Gb vs 16Gb), and the other is that neither unit can use international firmware, leaving you almost entirely at the mercy of the carriers for upgrades.
Croak said:
He's flashed it with a custom kernel to run at 1.4.
If you buy the AT&T version, you can indeed get voice calling in the US, after you flash it with Euro firmware and insert a SIM from a voice plan device. You can also get it with the T-Mobile version, but there's a few issues with that. Good news is that both versions can use international firmware no problem, even if you don't want/use voice calling.
I'd stay the hell away from the Sprint and Verizon devices for a couple of reasons. The first is that they have less internal memory (2Gb vs 16Gb), and the other is that neither unit can use international firmware, leaving you almost entirely at the mercy of the carriers for upgrades.
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This is the kind of information I was looking for. TY for taking time.
What about the Best Buy / Amazon version? Yea I was staying away from Verizon/CDMA. I have verizon for my phone cause of work, and not a huge fan.
However, I won't need calling on the Tab.
Does it function OK OC"d at 1.4? It doesn't get too hot? Stability issues?
Yea I don't want to be at mercy. I want to put honeycomb on it if I do get it. I probably will now that 2 is 10, so I'll get 1. Just gonna wait and see if price comes down to like 400 or somethign hopefully.
I am 7" fan, too. Would love to see a SGT with the specs of the new 10.1" SGT 2 (or xoom), but with 7" screen. I am not big man, but "rounded in middle" (spare tire). I can fit my SGT in back pocket, nicely. It has fully replaced my Nexus 1.
For the 7" fans, the question maybe to stick with SGT 1 or maybe look at Acer a100 (http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=13010) -- appears to be 7" but with Tegra 2 (and a bump in a few other areas). The 7" form factor may have been validated with rumors about a 7" ipad (but those rumor seem unsubstantiated) -- so that might make more manufacturers take notice.
What would be really intersting, IMHO, 6", or 6.5" with SGT (or better) specs. I am not sure a 5" with 1024x600 would work..
LG has an 8.9" odd ball too.....
I think there is some more to come from MWC...maybe sammy has a refresh for the 7" sgt too?
Don't forget Dell has a 7" tablet too and it has dual core CPU (unlike our SGT 7"). The only downer is screen size is 800x480.
I don't think you could buy a SGT (no contract) lesser than $450 unless used. Streak 7" is $450 no contract.
I was in the same boat - bought my GT two weeks ago on T-Mobile, hoping that if there is an announcement about GT2, I can take a look at it before my return window closes. And at 10" no thank you. I actually had an iPad for few months (my wife wanted it more than me...) but just sold it, because it kept sitting unused, as it was too big for a book reader or to take it with me everywhere, but too small for good browsing (have a 14.1" laptop with 1680x1050 res for that).
I looked at the Dell Streak 7, but that screen just plain sucks. It looks like Dell was trying to build something nice, then just decided last minute that 7" won't work, so they found the cheapest LCD they could lay their hands on. Not to mention the battery life...
While it would be nice to have a GT with dual-core, 1Gb RAM and all that, I think the current hardware is more than capable, and will run Honeycomb just fine. My next tablet would have to be a lot more powerful, and have higher res screen.
i will stay with my 7'' tab
the best thing about the tab is it's size and the cell phone. i dont want to go back walking around with two devices in my pocket, i used to have an iphone & a big ass ipad so i know what is like to walk with two devices not cool lol.who ever makes the next 7'' tab with all the good stuff and a cell phone included i'm buying that.
quattr0 said:
Will you be using it as a phone? If yes, I would ask to re-think it twice about 10" for a phone lol
I actually am thinking about letting mine go and get a Dell Streak phone (the 5"). While I love the tab but I kinda miss being able to toss it in my pocket and don't have to use bluetooth.
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AFAIK the tab 10.1 can't be used as a phone
quattr0 said:
I actually am thinking about letting mine go and get a Dell Streak phone (the 5"). While I love the tab but I kinda miss being able to toss it in my pocket and don't have to use bluetooth.
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Well i came to the tab from a dell streak and i'll tell ya the tab does everything way better than the streak, except fit in your pocket...... i wont be going back to the streak.
Yea I've read about the Dell 7", not getting that for sure. Screen rez alone plus battery life, no TY.
So there is another 7" Tab coming?
EDIT: That Ace 7" seems nice, plus a WIFI only version. No word on release in USA tho, only Europe.
FYI: HTC annouced the 'flyer' at MWC. This is a 7" too. 1.5ghz, 1024x600, cameras, android 2.4 (?) or honeycomb, etc. GSM voice support unknown.
fwelland said:
FYI: HTC annouced the 'flyer' at MWC. This is a 7" too. 1.5ghz, 1024x600, cameras, android 2.4 (?) or honeycomb, etc. GSM voice support unknown.
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I think i may return my GT and wait for this. I will only be buying one Tab, so I gotta make the right choice.
Here is a decent comparison matrix of the newly announced Android tablets
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/1...-lg-g-slate-vs-samsung-tab-10-1-vs-htc-flyer/
no mention of phone/voice on any of these; this is a deal breaker for some of us.
It's a deal breaker for me as i was a "one gadget man"
my main reason i go with samsung was because it can be used as a phone
if it isn't i'd go with htc already
if flyer can be used as a phone too, i might be jumping ship to htc ^^
Hello everyone,
I have a Galaxy S phone and enjoy it very much, I've wanted a Tab since I first saw them, just without a contract.
I have noticed that Sprint CDMA models with Bad ESN's (100% OK with me) are going for 275-350 dollars, sometimes brand new.
Is it still worth it? Do you guys still enjoy them?
Thanks for your input.
not a bad price if you just wanna use wifi with em. I prefer gsm models because of the increased internal memory instead of the cdma tabs. Do you have Cricket in your area? You can have the tab flashed to Cricket for data.
I love mine, but it is also a perfect replacement for my notebook and G1. Smart phones are too small for my taste, and I didn't need a full notebook anymore. Gave those devices to my wife and went with a ticked-out tab. And for me, the size is perfect.
For me it is. My tab does everything (that I can think of) the xoom does. I use it for tv, kindle, browsing and taking notes. 7 inches is perfect.
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I have:
G1. 3.7"
Streak. 5"
Galaxy Tab. 7"
Advent Vega 10"
And the galaxy tab is the one take everywhere.
Fantastic size. Like a small book.
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And the galaxy tab is the one take everywhere.
Fantastic size. Like a small book.
Absolutely! I was a little concerned about the wireless connectivity before I got it but it's excellent. Like the previous post, I take mine everywhere. The other thing I like is that when I turn off the wifi/3g to read an e-book at night, I wake up and it's still fully charged.
I'm pretty sold on the tabs size versus a 10 inch.. its bigger without being to heavy or a burden.
It seems like it would be enjoyable with 2.2/2.3 for the foreseeable future.
My next consideration is to buy one unsubsidized or to get one with a 2 year contract... whats your guys opinions, would you feel comfortable at this point buying one with a 2 year contract?
Seeing how people went ape**** for a nook for 200$ if you can find a galaxy tab for 275-280 range, it is better buy.
My htc desire hd arrived last saturday. I then noticed that i need to upgrade my plan as the unit is hugging too much internet bandwidth so i went to my carrier to have my plan upgraded. To my surprise, i was given a galaxy tab for free as part of the new package. So i ended up with two new devices. I think galaxy tab will be a great device in my work and will come in handy with my htc desire hd if it runs out of juice. One downside i only noticed is the absence of skype video call for android OS. But i love this one
not a bad price if you just wanna use wifi with em. I prefer gsm models because of the increased internal memory instead of the cdma tabs. Do you have Cricket in your area? You can have the tab flashed to Cricket for data.
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I just acquired a galaxy tab this afternoon. It is on verizon's network but I was hoping to flash it to cricket but I'm not really able to find any resources on this. Is there a tutorial on this?
if you're used to browsing on a smaller device, then move to this one, you will not go back and if you try something bigger, it will be great, but when you start thinking about taking it with you everywhere, you go back to the Galaxy Tab.
Oh, I dont regret it one bit. Even got 3g since its so super cheap, 20 a month, went with Verizon though due to the low low price on contract, 200 dollars. I definitely love it, the perfect companion to my galaxy s phone. Thanks for all the input though guys.
P.s i think we will start to see development go up due to these things finally becoming affordable. Lets face it, most people wont dump 600 or 800 dollars on a tablet.
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Sprint tablet recovery
I have a sprint tab rooted and flashed with kaz' voodoo kernal. Aside from no market app, no auto screen rotation, it's faster even with out ext4. How can I safely recover to stock. Or is there a more complete kernal I can put in to get back to closer to normal functionality. Any help would be appreciated.
I had one over a year ago, traded it for a laptop, then sold it for like $300 or so.. kind of regretted it, it was a sprint model. saw a bad esn model on craigslist, but picked it up for $100 so now i'm trying to see how to flash it from verizon to cricket. Funny i have no problems with doing the phones from spring/samsung to cricket, but verizon isn't so easy.. what am i doing wrong hmm
This thread helped me so much I was also thinking Galaxy tab, but I wasn't sure is it worth it since I already have "smartphone". No I am sure that I choose this one )
Totally worth it! Specially if you like to tweak around. I call my tab "Lazarus", since I killed it and brought it back to live so many times
S & Tab Combo
I got a Galaxy S & Tab as a combo from Optus. I must say I do still do like the size of the Tab; big enough to read easily, small enough to fit in a jacket pocket.
Just upgraded the Tab to Ice Cream Sandwich. Nice upgrade and pretty stable. If you can get the Tab that cheap, it makes it hard to justify spending $600 on one of the newer 10" models.
OK, probably gonna have the oppurtunity to get a 7" soon.
Was looking at the WIFI version. I did read here it does have GPS module which is good.
Can I put 3.0 on this? (Sorry been really busy and since I hadn't bought one yet, I hadn't kept up on everything going on with Android).
I know that there are some cool GSM firmwares I had been looking at, why I was gonna pick up an AT&T model. Can I use these on the WIFI only?
Anything else I should know?
The 8.9 in version is coming out early summer (any day.) You can't wait? It has the Tegra 2.
dardack said:
OK, probably gonna have the oppurtunity to get a 7" soon.
Was looking at the WIFI version. I did read here it does have GPS module which is good.
Can I put 3.0 on this? (Sorry been really busy and since I hadn't bought one yet, I hadn't kept up on everything going on with Android).
I know that there are some cool GSM firmwares I had been looking at, why I was gonna pick up an AT&T model. Can I use these on the WIFI only?
Anything else I should know?
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You can't put honeycomb on this as yet, but have it under very good authority from excellent dev that this will be starting soon, keep an eye in the Android Dev section and it will be released there, the tag will more than likely be wifi only or GT-p10101 honeycomb Alpha which hopefully be shortly >:¬}
Hi,
I got the P1010 "Wifi-only", and although it is a quite good tablet, I can't advise you to buy it. If you like this model, you should purchase the original 3G version. Why ? Because Samsung has lowered the technical specs on the wifi version (less powerful CPU and GPU).
The user interface feels a bit more sluggish, and some games compatible with the former 3G tablet simply won't work in the WiFi edition. In addition, the custom roms designed for 3G version are not compatible either. However you can still root your device (i've done it).
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The 8.9 in version is coming out early summer (any day.) You can't wait? It has the Tegra 2.
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8.9 Is still a bit big for me tbh. I really like the size of the 7".
Why ? Because Samsung has lowered the technical specs on the wifi version (less powerful CPU and GPU).
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Um looking over the specs they seem exactly the same CPU, the A8 1ghz Cortez Hummingbird. Or am I missing something?
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You can't put honeycomb on this as yet, but have it under very good authority from excellent dev that this will be starting soon, keep an eye in the Android Dev section and it will be released there, the tag will more than likely be wifi only or GT-p10101 honeycomb Alpha which hopefully be shortly >:¬}
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Cool. Are there any custom firmwares for the WIFI only yet? (I can start browsing tomorrow). And does the GPS fix for the other 3g tabs work for the WIFI only version?
The graphics card are not as god but i don't notice much of a difference to be honest i still prefer the wifi only and did not see the extra money worth it when i can teather rhetorically device.
And still no Rom yet. Regarding the gps fix not too sure as have not browsed the gsm threads too much.
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The Wifi model uses an OMAP3 SoC vs the original 3G that uses the Hummingbird. The difference between the 2 gpus (PowerVR SGX 530 vs 540) is very apparent if you plan to use the tab for media or games. As posted earlier, there is a slight sluggishness to the base UI animation and transitions, many newer/more graphically intensive games will be very laggy or not run at all, and media will need to be encoded to be a bit lower quality for it to run smoothly. If you don't need the tab to be a media/game powerhouse then the wifi version should be good enough.
don't use it for games so did not notice anything.. downloaded a few games on the device but did not play them (they were free with the sammy). regarding the movies, encoded all on 720 automatically for the size and never had an issue in playing them
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don't use it for games so did not notice anything.. downloaded a few games on the device but did not play them (they were free with the sammy). regarding the movies, encoded all on 720 automatically for the size and never had an issue in playing them
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720p?
And maybe if it was my money I'd take the 3g, but it's a gift. So it was that or something else I had no interest in.
Hopefully a rom can help with some of that sluggishness.
Didn't know they used a lesser GPU in the wifi only, that blows.
Also is there an official ROM for the 2.2.1 or .2/.3? Anything? Or do I just gotta wait and hope there are dev's working on the wifi model?
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Also is there an official ROM for the 2.2.1 or .2/.3? Anything? Or do I just gotta wait and hope there are dev's working on the wifi model?
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We have to wait unfortuanetly but i love the device its size and can teather to my phone so its perfect for me.
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I would recommend u to buy the original tab.
The hardware is better and it has 3g.
Also its not a lot more expenisve than the wifi only model.
I got mine for 300€ from eBay
Also its the only tablet with phone functionality.
I don't know what the point of the wifi only tab is. if it had better hardware or at least the same as the original version just without 3g it would be okay for a significantly lower price..
But it doesn't.
"I crap by myself. I dont need iCrap....yet!"
transmitted from a Galaxy beyond your imagination.
{Diemex} said:
I would recommend u to buy the original tab.
The hardware is better and it has 3g.
Also its not a lot more expenisve than the wifi only model.
I got mine for 300€ from eBay
Also its the only tablet with phone functionality.
I don't know what the point of the wifi only tab is. if it had better hardware or at least the same as the original version just without 3g it would be okay for a significantly lower price..
But it doesn't.
"I crap by myself. I dont need iCrap....yet!"
transmitted from a Galaxy beyond your imagination.
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Again a gift. Not my money. And here in the states anyways, new 3g phone is like 500-600, and not buying a data plan, so 337 is decent. I guess i could ask them to go to ebay, but eh it's their money and want to buy new. I mean really i'm not gonna kick a gift horse in the mouth.
I do now understand the hardware limitations, no HDMI, but it's free so yea.
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We have to wait unfortuanetly but i love the device its size and can teather to my phone so its perfect for me.
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Well I'll get it and see how I like it.
BTW is there a 30 pin to component out? Just for the Car video system, don't have HDMI anyways, so HDMI wouldn't do me any good anyways on the 3g.
There is that cable. It may be listed in the accessories section. I connect my tab to a projector frequently. You can find them on ebay for less than $25. Make sure its compatable with the wifi model number.
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There is that cable. It may be listed in the accessories section. I connect my tab to a projector frequently. You can find them on ebay for less than $25. Make sure its compatable with the wifi model number.
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I haven't found one for the WIFI model. Damn samsung.
Well, the pins ++might++ be the same. The cheapest place for tab called is www.tv-mall.com, that cable is $3 there, and may be worth the gamble. Why don't you pm me, I have a suggestion.
rangercaptain said:
Well, the pins ++might++ be the same. The cheapest place for tab called is www.tv-mall.com, that cable is $3 there, and may be worth the gamble. Why don't you pm me, I have a suggestion.
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Yeah I can't find the cable on that site.
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Again a gift. Not my money. And here in the states anyways, new 3g phone is like 500-600, and not buying a data plan, so 337 is decent. I guess i could ask them to go to ebay, but eh it's their money and want to buy new. I mean really i'm not gonna kick a gift horse in the mouth.
I do now understand the hardware limitations, no HDMI, but it's free so yea.
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What u can try is what my friend did. He bought a 3G version from ATT for $250. Then he called them after he received it and got transferred to customer relations. He told them the tablet plan is no commitment and wanted to cancel because wifi is enough right now and he's no longer traveling for work. They canceled his plan and now he has a brand new $250 3G version. He only did this maybe 2-3 weeks ago.
Hi Everyone,
I live in Toronto and I am on Fido right now. I also have a Bell SIM that I use from time to time. It seems that Rogers has Galaxy Samsung Note I717.
What would be the best move for me? Buy a more expensive N-7000 or a I717?
I think N-7000 is not LTE compatible with Fido? (correct me if I am wrong).
I am also very interested in Ice Cream sandwich and heard all updates and better apps will be released only for N-7000 or sooner for it. Is that true?
Thanks
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Hi Everyone,
I live in Toronto and I am on Fido right now. I also have a Bell SIM that I use from time to time. It seems that Rogers has Galaxy Samsung Note I717.
What would be the best move for me? Buy a more expensive N-7000 or a I717?
I think N-7000 is not LTE compatible with Fido? (correct me if I am wrong).
I am also very interested in Ice Cream sandwich and heard all updates and better apps will be released only for N-7000 or sooner for it. Is that true?
Thanks
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I SHALL SAVE YOU!
I'm on fido (NO LTE, HSDPA+ gives around 7.9 Mbsp down 1.7 Mbsp up), and recently bought a N7000. My thoughts to you are:
1) Do you need LTE? Yes -> I717
2) Stock experience with ICS coming sooner rather than later -> N7000
3) Performance -> I've tried both the N7000 and I717 and I'd say the N7000 runs a TINY bit better. Benchmarks are over-exaggerated.
Also, N7000 development is much better ATM, which is understandable - it's an older phone. So, if you like playing with custom roms, that might perhaps be another point worth considering.
Edited: this thread might also be of interest to the OP.
Thanks guys.
So, I don't use LTE either but am disappointed that I can't full-proof the future with a N-7000 version as I am leaning more towards that too.
Got following questions now:
A- ICS is not released for it yet right?
B- I get H+ on my phone, that is 4G or HSPA+ and not LTE right?
C- What about rooting Galaxy Note? N-7000 or I717?
D- What is a better phone than Note now? Galaxy S II? or yet better than that?
Thanks again,
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Thanks guys.
So, I don't use LTE either but am disappointed that I can't full-proof the future with a N-7000 version as I am leaning more towards that too.
Got following questions now:
A- ICS is not released for it yet right?
B- I get H+ on my phone, that is 4G or HSPA+ and not LTE right?
C- What about rooting Galaxy Note? N-7000 or I717?
D- What is a better phone than Note now? Galaxy S II? or yet better than that?
Thanks again,
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A)There is a leaked unofficial version and AOSP based roms right now. Official ICS is coming in Q2.
B)Yes, that is "4G/HSPA+"
C)Both are easy to root, if you have rooted Android phones before, no need of ADB to root.
D)Right now, the N-7000 is the best phone b/c of it's screen size and resolution. The only phones to compare would be the Optimus LTE, Galaxy Nexus, and Sony Experia S(Super High PPI). Honestly, I would wait until the SIII comes out if you're this late into the year as Quad-Core phones are coming around the corner and you can future-proof yourself better this way.
Thanks Kotaro_14.
I am afraid no one else do a big screen like Note anytime soon and it's such a beautiful phone that I am in love with it now
But, low battery, no ICS is a turn off.
I thought screen size and resolution are the same on both version except for having different graphic card chips?!
Best,
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Thanks Kotaro_14.
I am afraid no one else do a big screen like Note anytime soon and it's such a beautiful phone that I am in love with it now
But, low battery, no ICS is a turn off.
I thought screen size and resolution are the same on both version except for having different graphic card chips?!
Best,
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N7000 has physical buttons that don't waste screen estate like the i717.
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N7000 have the better cpu if compare to N1717
LTE is overrated until carrier start rolling out $20 unlimited data plan, which definitely will not happen before we see the next "note" HSPA+ in my area is doing 7mbps RL. There is virtually no difference between the two based on what I do with my Note. Not to mention LTE cut your battery life by an enormous margin. I would not bother even if my phone has it.
I know Galaxy SIII is around the corner and probably has quad processor. But the main reason I dump iphone for Note is because of the screen size. Making mobile task much easier. Unless SIII had 5.3" screen, it is not for me. Should you wait for SIII? Well, if you can wait... Usually mean that you dont need it....
Honestly, I really dont know how a quad core cpu / gpu will improve user experience. You can port the most demanding game to Galaxy SIII or even CAD program, but you will still be limited to the 4~5 ish [email protected]@ those with gigantic fingers or guerrilla palms are going to be sh!t out of luck
Well the reason for me to wait for the SIII is that with a more powerful GPU and CPU a port for Windows 8 will probably come along and that's what really interests me. And of course Ubuntu also. I agree the screen size won't be as big as the Note, but I'm willing to get it b/c of huge dev community, probably fix the black clipping issue, and SAMOLED+. Of course the Note 2 is also another option.
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+1 i like xda-developers
There was an OpenMonko or OpenMoko project just prior to Android that did Linux on the DIY hardware but it died with Android coming out. I think expectations from phones are way too much now that it requires it's own separate OS fork like Android.
Thanks for all the info guys. I am leaning towards N-7000 now. Hate the no warranty though.
I had the i717 for a few weeks. Honestly ran great. Played 8-bit 720p mkv vids no problem. I saw a few quirks with 10-bit mkv files, but I'm unsure as to whether I should attribute that to the video player (moboplayer) or the chipset.
I rooted and flashed it over to SAUROM on day one. I didn't have too many performance issues, though it somewhat stuttered trying to run Ocarina of Time, moreso than my Atrix did.
I don't have LTE down here in my part of Florida, US, and I don't expect to see it any time soon. I wish I had a few tags to toy with the NFC, I really would've liked to have tossed one in my car dock.
My reason for returning was mostly the cost of phone + AT&T service. Monthly prices were more than I calculated, and I thought it in my best interest to pick up the phone elsewhere for cheaper while using a prepaid service. I found no real fault with the phone itself.
I just ordered an n7000 from Expansys US. It should arrive tomorrow. Apparently Expansys has a European office to help with claims on Samsung's 2-year warranty. Moreover, their price for a new n7000 with Samsung car charger and next-day shipping still came out to $100 less than trying to buy a brand new i717 here in the States. I won't be able to compare performance until it's in my hands, but the consensus seems to be that the n7000 offers a bit more performance, especially on ICS.
I'm trying to decide between the n7000 and the i717 myself. I'm currently on Verizon but am looking to escape Big Red.
The N7000 obviously is a bit faster, from the benchmarks it seems mostly on higher end 3D stuff that the N7000 is faster than the I717. I like the design of the N7000 better as well, and unlocked aspect appeals to me considering the carrier problems I've had. From the sound of it the ROM situation sounds better, which also appeals to me.
My main concern here is carrier. T-mo is out as I don't want to be stuck with 2G. AT&T worries me though, some people have been using the $50 Gophone unlimited plan, but it sounds like if AT&T finds out it's a smart phone you're out of luck, and the data plan options for pre-paid are expensive last I looked.
The plus side of the I717 is that I can get it on contract and defray the up front cost. Plus I don't have to worry about figuring out what kind of plan I can use on the International version. I also get a corporate discount of 20-22% on AT&T but it doesn't apply to the prepaid or "GoPhone" plans. A typical plan (450 min, unlimited texting, 3gb data) would probably run me about $77/mo after tax.
I'd be tempted to go N7000 and get a normal plan from AT&T and skip the Gophone hassles, but I refuse to sign a 2 year contract and I don't know if they'll allow you to be on a normal plan if you don't sign a contract. I know T-mo won't.
So opinions, what would you folks do in my situation? N7000 with normal plan, N7000 with Gophone, or I717 with normal plan?
You can reflash the modem of the i717 for full 3G compatibility on T-mobile AWS bands, so that might be an advantage over the n7000. Moreover, with the recent Skyrocket ICS leak, I'd expect to see some sort of ICS on the i717 within the next couple of weeks.
If you're not overly concerned about warranty, I'd honestly recommend picking up an i717 on Craigslist/eBay and taking it to a prepaid AT&T MVNO like Red Pocket or Straight Talk. If you're in an area where T-Mobile offers better service, eBay can get you an unlock code for $25, then just flash the proper modem and head to T-Mo prepaid or Simple Mobile. Either way, you're looking at $45-60 a month.
While performance may be marginally better on the n7000, I found the i717 to be in no way lacking after two weeks of use. The biggest deciding factors for me was cost. I wanted the security of a manufacturer's warranty, and Expansys offered a new n7000 for less than I could pick up an i717 here.
Hmm, I'd never heard of Red Pocket. It appears they have coverage anywhere AT&T does. The $60 for unlimited talk/text/2gb data is appealing and I'd not have to worry about contracts and such...
If you're looking into the MVNOs, I've heard Jolt Mobile offers better service than Red Pocket at the same price. Either way, Red Pocket apparently has the nasty issue where, if you try to re-up your plan a few days early, you lose the last few days of the plan and the new billing cycle starts up the day you pay. I've heard of no such issue with Jolt.
I'm personally opting for Straight Talk next month. They recently started offering sim cards for their AT&T and T-Mobile services. They market an "unlimited everything" plan for $45/month, but the truth is if you go over 100MB a day, you risk them cutting off your service. That's not an issue for me, as I don't even hit 100MB a week, but some users prefer the comfort of using 2GB whenever/however they want. If you go over with RP/Jolt, they just cut off data until the next month.
Moreover, Straight Talk is one of the few AT&T MVNOs to get access to AT&T's roaming partners. Most others are limited to just the AT&T towers. It's something to consider if you travel a lot.
As of now, none of them have access to AT&T's LTE service, so regardless of the device you choose, you'd be limited to HSPA+ service, which really isn't a bad "limit" at all. If you're concerned about battery life, SAUROM for the i717 is based on the Canadian i717 ROM, and it gives you the option to turn LTE off. Obviously not an issue with the n7000.
I think I'm just going to suck it up and get the I717... I have my eyes on an amp for my home theater and it pretty well goes out the window for lack of funds if I get the N7000. Hopefully AT&T doesn't sit on the ICS upgrade for too long compared to the N7000.
If I didn't get a discount for service through my employer it would probably be a different story.
That and with my luck I'd have to ship the thing back to the UK for warranty service when something went wrong with it...
Thanks for your input guys.
Ruh roh... it looks like AT&T is going to be a pain about my credit. Odd since Verizon and T-mo never had any issues (though T-mo made me pay a $50 deposit).
I may have to go International after all.
Been toying with the n7000 that came in today.
Handles videos like a champ, but not much better than the i717. 8bit 720p mkvs still fly, thanks to hardware decoding. 10bit 720p mkvs resort to software decoding and stutter.
I've tried two video players for the 10bit video. MoboPlayer plays them full-speed, but there are plenty of graphical glitches like color wash out and excessive blockiness. MX Video Player plays without graphical issue, but video is somewhat slow and stuttery. I'm hoping an overclock kernel will help.
Ocarina of Time ran more smoothly than it did on my i717. Still not entirely smooth, but definitely playable.
As far as functionality, LTE was always out of the question, but I apparently traded the NFC chip for an fm radio. That's actually worthwhile to me, as I attend several events over the year that broadcast audio over local fm.
I am -not- enjoying this home button. I've got fairly large hands, so I haven't had much issue using the Note one-handedly. The issue is with the capacitive buttons. Since I hold the Note in my left hand, on the i717, I could comfortably reach the Menu, Home, and Back buttons with my left thumb. I never used the Search button. On the n7000, what used to be the Back button is now the edge of the Home button, and the Back button is pushed further to the side. It's not entirely unreachable, but it's very uncomfortable. Then again, most users here probably have hands smaller than mine, so your mileage may vary.
I'll be toying with ROMs tomorrow, but quick glance tells me the ICS roms aren't as stable as I'd prefer, so I'll hold off on those for a bit.
So yeah, if I had to compare the two right now:
i717: LTE, NFC, more comfortable Capacitive button layout
n7000: FM Radio, Cheaper New (unless ordering 32GB model), better Emulator performance
Both handle movies amazingly well. While the n7000 definitely has more ROM options now, that'll fix itself in time, and what's currently available for the i717 is good quality. ICS should follow shortly.
I'm thinking of buying a cheap tablet for my parents and cannot figure out if I should keep the TP or switch to a new chinese quad-core tablet or buy another TP.
What I don't like about the TP is that it is getting slow, especially when browsing but even simple things like app menu. I'm on OAT LNT 1222 (4.1.2) so it should be the fastest one around, no overclocking. The case is also starting to crack, I only get about 16h of standby with WiFi on, no GPS (not that I use it) and no HDMI. A bit heavy as well compared to the newer tablets. A nice plus though is the IPS screen and generally good responsiveness on the touchscreen.
I've seen some offers for quad core chinese tablets at around 170-200$ (dx) but the last ones I've seen a year ago were really terrible: crap screen, crap touch, battery life around 3-4h and very laggy. Not to mention the form factor of a brick with fullsize ethernet and usb. Generally not updateable from GB, but that was more than one year ago.
Or maybe I should jump straight to N7? That's already a bit more expensive and I'm pretty happy with the TP. My parents also don't need any other feature than basic browsing and gallery.
If the N7 size is acceptable, have you looked at the HP Slate 7? $170 from HP's website.
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For basic browsing and gallery, I would definitely stick with the TP. It does those things fine, so given your use case, I personally would think going out and buying something else unnecessary. However, if they plan on doing more with it, I would say N7. It is a little bit more money, but after some poor experiences with Chinese hardware in general I wouldn't buy a Chinese tablet. The $50 differential isn't worth the drop in build quality for me.
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I'm thinking of buying a cheap tablet for my parents and cannot figure out if I should keep the TP or switch to a new chinese quad-core tablet or buy another TP.
What I don't like about the TP is that it is getting slow, especially when browsing but even simple things like app menu. I'm on OAT LNT 1222 (4.1.2) so it should be the fastest one around, no overclocking. The case is also starting to crack, I only get about 16h of standby with WiFi on, no GPS (not that I use it) and no HDMI. A bit heavy as well compared to the newer tablets. A nice plus though is the IPS screen and generally good responsiveness on the touchscreen.
I've seen some offers for quad core chinese tablets at around 170-200$ (dx) but the last ones I've seen a year ago were really terrible: crap screen, crap touch, battery life around 3-4h and very laggy. Not to mention the form factor of a brick with fullsize ethernet and usb. Generally not updateable from GB, but that was more than one year ago.
Or maybe I should jump straight to N7? That's already a bit more expensive and I'm pretty happy with the TP. My parents also don't need any other feature than basic browsing and gallery.
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I like the tp, if only for the dual booting, webos & android.
AFAIK, the tp doesn't have the hardware for either gps or hdmi.
would also stay away from No Name China Models, yes they are cheaper & seem to have more features yet there is always something that doesn't work properly on these Tablets...go over to 'Tablet Republic' and check out reviews on some of these newer & older models and you will see....just from my short experience with two of these Chinese models i will never go that route again...plus returning one of these if there is a problem is a nightmare.
Personally i would suggest HP of-course & then Asus/ Acer or Samsung.
If it just for your parents I would suggest iPad Mini ( around $300 Now ) in stead of TP. Because what they need is easy to use and a great experience.I think iPad Mini is competent for this. Not suggest TP which is used for "playing" as a toy not just for browsing or reading, right
Just stay away from No Name China Models like sando7 said. Even lots of Chinese would not pay money for that.
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I'm thinking of buying a cheap tablet for my parents and cannot figure out if I should keep the TP or switch to a new chinese quad-core tablet or buy another TP.
What I don't like about the TP is that it is getting slow, especially when browsing but even simple things like app menu. I'm on OAT LNT 1222 (4.1.2) so it should be the fastest one around, no overclocking. The case is also starting to crack, I only get about 16h of standby with WiFi on, no GPS (not that I use it) and no HDMI. A bit heavy as well compared to the newer tablets. A nice plus though is the IPS screen and generally good responsiveness on the touchscreen.
I've seen some offers for quad core chinese tablets at around 170-200$ (dx) but the last ones I've seen a year ago were really terrible: crap screen, crap touch, battery life around 3-4h and very laggy. Not to mention the form factor of a brick with fullsize ethernet and usb. Generally not updateable from GB, but that was more than one year ago.
Or maybe I should jump straight to N7? That's already a bit more expensive and I'm pretty happy with the TP. My parents also don't need any other feature than basic browsing and gallery.
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How do you figure that OAT LNT 1222 should be the fastest ROM for the TouchPad? Maybe you should try a different ROM. Or start from scratch and re-flash the ROM. That could clean some stuff up. As for a tablet for your parents, like others have said, dont buy a chinese tablet. You wont find much, if any, support for them around here. Probably no ROMs or anything. If you hold out longer, it is rumored that the nexus 7 will drop in price this summer. Probably after Google I/O next week.
http://bgr.com/2013/04/03/nexus-77-release-date-reuters-411955/
Here is the Onda V972 and Antutu benchmark. This is based on the current best chipset that the Chinese tablets seem to utilize (A31).
If you like the iPad mini this is also a good option. Onda V813 and the Antutu benchmark
Onda is the same company that makes Archos and is trying very hard to become a reputable brand (at least among the cheap tabs )
Unfortunately the ROM's are not very well optimized and cause lag and some issues. The foremost example would be poor WiFi performance. The Onda models do not have Bluetooth, and the sound quality is frequently reported to be poor (quiet and crackles).
I intend to get one for testing in the near future, I've never had a Chinese tab before.
a new N7 will probably be announced next week
Basic internet peddling and a few basic games and emails... HP Touchpad all the way.
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Current CM9 (latest nightly) and CM10 ( http://goo.im/devs/jcsullins/cmtouc...L-tenderloin-FOR_LIMITED_TESTING_ONLY_CAM.zip ) have MUCH improved standby time.
I'd suggest doing a fresh install of CM10 from the link above ( see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147284 ) and see
how well it works.
Switch to cyanogenmod immediately! I'm on official 9 nightlys and it's awesome. Don't waste your money.
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Chinese Tablets
Iv'e used the TP for quite a long time. I also checked some of the Chinese tablets and bought one (NOVO 7 VENUS).
After i got that, i did not even feel like touching the TP.
Its Quad Core, 1GB DDR3 RAM, 1280x800 IPS screen with ALPS touch control.
Its for 135 bucks.
For that price, this is a must have. Dont buy another TP. Buy this.
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Iv'e used the TP for quite a long time. I also checked some of the Chinese tablets and bought one (NOVO 7 VENUS).
After i got that, i did not even feel like touching the TP.
Its Quad Core, 1GB DDR3 RAM, 1280x800 IPS screen with ALPS touch control.
Its for 135 bucks.
For that price, this is a must have. Dont buy another TP. Buy this.
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What a terrible suggestion! Ainol make terrible tablets, they have no communities and lack cyanogenmod support (unless you use plenty of patches to get the A10 chip working with it) they're too much hassle, feel very cheap, and preform terribly.
HPTP > anything from Ainol
If there is any chinese tablet I would recommend to you, it would be the Hyundai T7. Its has a quad core Samsung exynos processor!
at 1280*800 IPS Screen, a front 0.3mp camera, and a rear 2mp camera. It supports USB OTG. It also out preforms the Nexus 7 in benchmarks. Its only $148.49!
http://www.pandawill.com/hyundai-t7-quad-core-tablet-pc.html
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What a terrible suggestion! Ainol make terrible tablets, they have no communities and lack cyanogenmod support (unless you use plenty of patches to get the A10 chip working with it) they're too much hassle, feel very cheap, and preform terribly.
HPTP > anything from Ainol
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Have you ever checked the Slatedroid forum? Stop talking crap.
Ainol's tablets are one of the best for the price.
If I wanted to buy a 10 inch tablet, I would buy Cube U30GT2. It has quad-core CPU, 2 gigs of memory, high-PPI display, huge battery, cameras, etc, etc, etc. TP is good, but it's outdated.
I've actually been debating this for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Because it is this disdain for 4:3 Android tablets (lol), I've either been looking at Chinese tablets or an iPad. The Chinese tablet that has my eye right now is the Freelander PD800HD, with the high res 9.7" screen, Exynos 5250, 2GB RAM, and 16GB storage. I love my TP but right now, it will either be that or an iPad.
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Have you ever checked the Slatedroid forum? Stop talking crap.
Ainol's tablets are one of the best for the price.
If I wanted to buy a 10 inch tablet, I would buy Cube U30GT2. It has quad-core CPU, 2 gigs of memory, high-PPI display, huge battery, cameras, etc, etc, etc. TP is good, but it's outdated.
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Have you owned one? And this is XDA not slatedroid
I've had my TP for a while now and it still does everything I need it to do really but I've been getting the itch to upgrade here recently. More so after Amazon's trade in offer.
I've looked at a few of the Chinese tablets but none of them seem to have a dev community at all which puts a damper on my enthusiasm. Unless manufacturer updates for these tabs is a bunch quicker than their US mainstream brethren, I don't think I could deal. I like updates too much.
Heck, with the recent price cuts to the B&N Nook HD and HD+ (1080p screen amazingly enough) I may just go that route instead of a high powered Chinese tab.