is there a way to get s-off for the htc vivid?
Nope and atm its not needed
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Search, people, search!!!
I've seen this question at least twice in the past 24 hours, and this isn't a fast moving forum!
Doktor is right; it's not available and is not (yet) needed. Certain people have S-Off just because of either the way their phone happened to come from the factory, or because they just have developer devices.
Aus_Azn said:
Search, people, search!!!
I've seen this question at least twice in the past 24 hours, and this isn't a fast moving forum!
Doktor is right; it's not available and is not (yet) needed. Certain people have S-Off just because of either the way their phone happened to come from the factory, or because they just have developer devices.
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It is unreal... The laziness is ridiculous
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Can we have a sticky with FAQs like this? search functions are rarely perfect for me (even though in one case, the answer is actually on the first page)
:facepalm: There already is one. No one bothers to read so I hardly even work on it.
Also search functions are pretty good, you just have to you know read, and refine your search if it comes up wrong.
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:facepalm: There already is one.
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Oh the irony... LOL :what:
Anyhow, I wish people would stop saying that we don't need it... With s-off, we would not be stuck waiting for carrier signed hboot images; as soon as one carrier released it or someone received a leak, we would all be able to use it. Right now, each user is stuck waiting for their carrier. So, all the Canadian users are stuck on GB for now for example.
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Oh the irony... LOL :what:
Anyhow, I wish people would stop saying that we don't need it... With s-off, we would not be stuck waiting for carrier signed hboot images; as soon as one carrier released it or someone received a leak, we would all be able to use it. Right now, each user is stuck waiting for their carrier. So, all the Canadian users are stuck on GB for now for example.
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As far as I understand it the firmware from onr will not work with the other. Irregardless of s-off, the radio for ics I think was change so you would still need your carriers updated radio.
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I can't comment on whether there was a change of radio from GB to ICS in the releases so far. However, I can tell you that Rogers and Bell in Canada use the same frequencies and protocols as US AT&T. I have an AT&T SIM that I use when travelling in the US and my Raider works fine. So I infer that either the radios are identical (att vs Bell, not GB vs ICS) or compatible. With S-Off, I would be up and running.
Also, if I understand correctly, with S-off, we would be free to mix and match, so I could try the ATT ICS Rom, with the Bell GB radio. Anyhow, all wishful thinking for now.
MM
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For those interested in s-off ;-) you may want to take a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1573491
OP there indicates he is beta testing an s-off tool on pur device. You may want to express your thatnks and support there...
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Looks like they're close to releasing it too. Been actively following that thread cuz I'm dying to install some wicked custom ics roms on my raider and my wife's. . Super stoked for this.
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once s-off is done then yes will be able to flash roms from other htc devices to the vivid.as s-off lets you flash different radios instead having to use the radios the roms come with
Will s-off allow us to install kernels from recovery (so we don't need to fastboot from the computer each time)? Or do we just need a recovery capable of this?
Yes it let's you flash kernels in recovery
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The beta is out!
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Mad Medik said:
For those interested in s-off ;-) you may want to take a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1573491
OP there indicates he is beta testing an s-off tool on pur device. You may want to express your thatnks and support there...
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The thread magically disappeared.
Related
Didn't see it posted up but here it is
http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
On the first page, wwe en source
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Awesome, we should get root soon!
Here's the kicker, sources ain't worth a Damn unless the bootloader is unlocked, and otherwise you'll just be able to do emulation only... I'm trying the htc bootloader unlocker one last time
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8125Omnimax said:
Here's the kicker, sources ain't worth a Damn unless the bootloader is unlocked, and otherwise you'll just be able to do emulation only... I'm trying the htc bootloader unlocker one last time
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Any luck?
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Any luck?
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We will see now
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Tried it but it didn't go through, and didn't give me an error code this time...
Tried three times same result
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Usuallyyoull get an error code at this screen, now it leaves the fields blank
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Usuallyyoull get an error code at this screen, now it leaves the fields blank
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Iiiiinteresting...
Time to try, myself.
Would a vivid with an unlocked boot loader help? Or we wouldn't be able to work backwards...
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Hopefully this sparks something. This forum is looking like a ghost town . I suppose there isn't much to talk about without root, but I wonder how many people that would've contributed to the Vivid have already moved on.
slapshot30 said:
Hopefully this sparks something. This forum is looking like a ghost town . I suppose there isn't much to talk about without root, but I wonder how many people that would've contributed to the Vivid have already moved on.
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The only things I plan to use permaroot for is permanently killing the bloatware (including CIQ), AdFree, Nandroid backup, using an international Raider stock ROM and SetCPU underclocking for battery life.
Hmm, come to think about it, that's actually a reasonably long list.
Blah, HTCdev, Y U NO WORK? Maybe the removal of the message could be heralding that something is coming...
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Hopefully this sparks something. This forum is looking like a ghost town . I suppose there isn't much to talk about without root, but I wonder how many people that would've contributed to the Vivid have already moved on.
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Your probably right a bunch have moved on, I would love a vivid but will wait till we can root.
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Aus_Azn said:
The only things I plan to use permaroot for is permanently killing the bloatware (including CIQ), AdFree, Nandroid backup, using an international Raider stock ROM and SetCPU underclocking for battery life.
Hmm, come to think about it, that's actually a reasonably long list.
Blah, HTCdev, Y U NO WORK? Maybe the removal of the message could be heralding that something is coming...
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In AT&T's letter to Al Franken they mentioned CIQ was disabled on the Vivid and skyrocket because of performance issues when activated, even though it's dormant, and I still want it out. Having the source allows us to tinker with the rom ahead of time so we can build roms before bootloader unlock takes place
You figure most roms are tested via emulation before they are made flashable, these forums will be picking up real shortly, Therefore a bootloader unlock is not far away especially since they released source on the vivid.
I am currently "experimenting" with source. I hope to release a rom after the bootloader unlock and a stable method of permanent root has surfaced on AT&T Vivid Hardware.
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Cool to release it so soon. It might be their way of saying "it's AT$T, not us" to unlocked bootloader.
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Cool to release it so soon. It might be their way of saying "it's AT$T, not us" to unlocked bootloader.
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So Soon?
They were supposed the release it a month and half ago.... on 11/6 same day the Vivid went on sale.
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So Soon?
They were supposed the release it a month and half ago.... on 11/6 same day the Vivid went on sale.
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Nope, because obviously AT&T said no.
Longcat14 said:
Nope, because obviously AT&T said no.
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AT&T has no say so in GPL....releasing source code does NOT guarantee anything. they HAVE to release source code as mandated in GPL.
Exactly
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The way it seems to be portrayed on that other dev site, GSLeon is making some pretty good progress; his last post was a few days ago saying that results are coming "in a few days".
Let's hope he's not trolling.
I have an AT&T HTC Vivid that I've rooted, S-Off, Unlocked, and love the phone, but would like 4G.
I tried flashing the Amaze radio.img, but it appeared to do absolutely nothing. I can't even validate it loaded the radio. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1798610
It's been done on other devices, as pointed out in that thread, so I believe it's possible.
There's also this thread, which makes total sense to me (the reasons it can work): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548553
So, I will donate $100 USD to the first dev that can get this working.
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If this needs to be posted somewhere else, I apologize in advance.
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I have an AT&T HTC Vivid that I've rooted, S-Off, Unlocked, and love the phone, but would like 4G.
I tried flashing the Amaze radio.img, but it appeared to do absolutely nothing. I can't even validate it loaded the radio. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1798610
It's been done on other devices, as pointed out in that thread, so I believe it's possible.
There's also this thread, which makes total sense to me (the reasons it can work): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548553
So, I will donate $100 USD to the first dev that can get this working.
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If this needs to be posted somewhere else, I apologize in advance. asdfasd
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Good luck to any dev that takes this challenge...from what I read from the second thread I'm convinced its possible...but its gonna take a lot of hacking...
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I don't even use T-Mobile but if a dev manages to do it ill throw in another $10 on top of the ops money...
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Awesome! Maybe we can get a greater following and get this done.
Doesn't AT&T have LTE?
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Doesn't AT&T have LTE?
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You mean T-Mobile? I basically want to use the AT&T 4G LTE phone on T-Mobile's HSPA+, since AT&T's 4G LTE uses the 1700MHz frequency needed for TMO's HSPA+. TMO isn't slated to get LTE until next year some time.
Oh my bad.
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cougar694u said:
I have an AT&T HTC Vivid that I've rooted, S-Off, Unlocked, and love the phone, but would like 4G.
I tried flashing the Amaze radio.img, but it appeared to do absolutely nothing. I can't even validate it loaded the radio. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1798610
It's been done on other devices, as pointed out in that thread, so I believe it's possible.
There's also this thread, which makes total sense to me (the reasons it can work): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548553
So, I will donate $100 USD to the first dev that can get this working.
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If this needs to be posted somewhere else, I apologize in advance.
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I started the first thread mentioned above. However I gave up, sent the Vivid back and got a HTC Amaze 4G. Now it works perfect in Tmobile 4G.
Since I didn't get a single response, mods please close this thread. I've sold the phone and moved on
I can get the HTC One with Vodafone Branding for 360 Euro .. I haven't had a branded device before,
what are the downsides besides no OTA from HTC?
Is there a way to unbrand the phone?
You can root mate to get rid of branded bloatware. If not though your limited to carrier pushed out updates and if they do the cid way again regardless of if your rooted or not your stuffed
Shouldn't stop you getting it though. Hopefully HTC won't do the cid way again
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You can root mate to get rid of branded bloatware. If not though your limited to carrier pushed out updates and if they do the cid way again regardless of if your rooted or not your stuffed
Shouldn't stop you getting it though. Hopefully HTC won't do the cid way again
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They always do the cid way if there is carrier bloat. Because it's the carrier pushing out the software not HTC
Just hope for s-off or supercid
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How likely will there be supercid or s-off?
For 360 it is a good deal, so I would be ready to take a small risk haha
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How likely will there be supercid or s-off?
For 360 it is a good deal, so I would be ready to take a small risk haha
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We won't know until the device is released, more people have a chance to try
And those who already have a device that are working on it will remain quiet until it's released
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I heard that with previous devices like the One S or One X+ there have been problems with getting s-off on bloated phones and changing the cid ..
voltron2k11 said:
I heard that with previous devices like the One S or One X+ there have been problems with getting s-off on bloated phones and changing the cid ..
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There's always an exploit, they just haven't found it yet
We can only hope
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the One X was just left to eat dust.. while its cousins and brothers "The EVO 4G LTE, DNA etc" got s-off days or a few months after release
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the One X was just left to eat dust.. while its cousins and brothers "The EVO 4G LTE, DNA etc" got s-off days or a few months after release
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The devices with sd cards are easier to exploit to begin with, especially the Qualcomm ones
They also recently found a common exploit with the Qualcomm processors
Since the one will have a Qualcomm processor we can hope a similar exploit is found
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Thanks for the info .. I guess I will just go for it
It's a great phone even when I can't get it exploited.
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Thanks for the info .. I guess I will just go for it
It's a great phone even when I can't get it exploited.
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My suggestion to all is to never buy a phone (besides a nexus) that you aren't happy to have with the stock software, just in case
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That is how I felt about it, but it's a bargain for a great phone with already awesome software
I can wait for custom roms or go without
hey I'm new to HTC phones so whats the difference with bootloader unlock, s-off, and supercid?
ross1998 said:
hey I'm new to HTC phones so whats the difference with bootloader unlock, s-off, and supercid?
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unlocking the bootloader let's you mess with the /system, flashing kernel & recovery partition(using a PC only). Setting the phone to S-Off let's you flash kernels, baseband/radio, recovery, hboot(through your phone directly), Super CID I'd like to know also. This CID thing just came out on the One series so no idea what is it.
CID is HTC's way to differentiate between carrier and regional devices, also that's how they push updates and they started CIDs a while ago...
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http://androidspin.com/2013/06/01/htc-one-gets-updated-to-android-4-2-2-still-uses-sense-5-0/
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International only. We should get it in, oh, 3 months...
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http://androidspin.com/2013/06/01/htc-one-gets-updated-to-android-4-2-2-still-uses-sense-5-0/
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It's not an ota it is a leaked ruu. Ota for international is probably a week out and for us a month or so.
No lock screen widgets...failure
looking forward to this
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No lock screen widgets...failure
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I really think they are use less at least we have the eqs that are aosp like. Samsung has some fugly ones
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dandan2980 said:
I really think they are use less at least we have the eqs that are aosp like. Samsung has some fugly ones
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I was just looking forward to some album art on a lock screen widget for the google Music app really..Ah well,hopefully they fixed the productivity lock screen for us..That damn thing seems to only put new messages up when ever it feels like it.
Knowing Sprint we won't get this update for 6 months after it is officially released internationally. Android handset manufacturers need to take a cue from Apple and tell them that they have no say in updates other than makeing sure they are compatible with the radios on a particular device for their network. If Apple can do it so can they, or does apple hold a patent on that.
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Robert542 said:
Knowing Sprint we won't get this update for 6 months after it is officially released internationally. Android handset manufacturers need to take a cue from Apple and tell them that they have no say in updates other than makeing sure they are compatible with the radios on a particular device for their network. If Apple can do it so can they, or does apple hold a patent on that.
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Yeah because "knowing" sprint is the thing to say when they have been the fastest US carrier to release updates... Damn you sprint for being semi quick about it.
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Htc evo lte got 4.1.2 way before the at&t one X. I still don't know if it got it. Sprint has been pretty good with the htc updates.
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BrianBaker said:
Yeah because "knowing" sprint is the thing to say when they have been the fastest US carrier to release updates... Damn you sprint for being semi quick about it.
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My point is that the carriers hold up updates period. Doesn't matter which carrier it is. Sprint may be faster than other carriers I won't deny that, but they still delay them for what ever reason. I am not hating on sprint alone, they are all guilty of it. I realize they need to test the software on their particular network but that doesn't always justify the length of delay. But thanks for playing.
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Just a heads up I downloaded the android revolution 4.2.2 that was released in the International ONE forum and it has a sprint folder in it with sprint libs,etc so you guys may want to check it out. It also has t-mobile and at&t folder too so i guess he's for one fully compatible zip. Dev is a beast. Also the zip is about 1 GB...all the separate carrier stuff bumped it up a bit.
Try at your own risk.....
EDIT...I checked out his install script and he got the right partition numbers for flashing on the sprint one.
I wouldn't say the carriers "hold" the updates. Lots of testing is needed to insure a good product on their network.
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Just a heads up I downloaded the android revolution 4.2.2 that was released in the International ONE forum and it has a sprint folder in it with sprint libs,etc so you guys may want to check it out. It also has t-mobile and at&t folder too so i guess he's for one fully compatible zip. Dev is a beast. Also the zip is about 1 GB...all the separate carrier stuff bumped it up a bit.
Try at your own risk.....
EDIT...I checked out his install script and he got the right partition numbers for flashing on the sprint one.
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Have you tried flashing it yet? If so run into any issues?
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david279 said:
Just a heads up I downloaded the android revolution 4.2.2 that was released in the International ONE forum and it has a sprint folder in it with sprint libs,etc so you guys may want to check it out. It also has t-mobile and at&t folder too so i guess he's for one fully compatible zip. Dev is a beast. Also the zip is about 1 GB...all the separate carrier stuff bumped it up a bit.
Try at your own risk.....
EDIT...I checked out his install script and he got the right partition numbers for flashing on the sprint one.
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doesnt work
in the sprint folders are all old files from our current base
Ah Ok. Well guess he tried.
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Robert542 said:
My point is that the carriers hold up updates period. Doesn't matter which carrier it is. Sprint may be faster than other carriers I won't deny that, but they still delay them for what ever reason. I am not hating on sprint alone, they are all guilty of it. I realize they need to test the software on their particular network but that doesn't always justify the length of delay. But thanks for playing.
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Keep in mind several factors:
A. HTC might not even push their updates to American carriers until they're done with international versions, due to customizations carriers require here.
B. Different modems and signal bands require additional development and testing time.
C. The testing of a device is actually quite lengthy, because the last thing a carrier (and HTC) wants is some incompatibility causing interference with towers or something. This is why the FCC checks these devices btw.
My friend on T-Mobile is getting the update OTA right now as I type this... c'mon Sprint!
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Knowing Sprint we won't get this update for 6 months after it is officially released internationally. Android handset manufacturers need to take a cue from Apple and tell them that they have no say in updates other than makeing sure they are compatible with the radios on a particular device for their network. If Apple can do it so can they, or does apple hold a patent on that.
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Would you like to place a wager on that?
I know it's CDMA and everything, but does that make a difference? And If it makes a huge difference and I'm just being stupid, please explain why? I want to flash ARHD to my One, but I can't since it doesn't work on Sprint!
It's not hard to make a rom for it but because of the hardware differences, it's impossible to make a cross flashable Rom for cdma and gsm.
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Even for the One, which is the same across all carriers?
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Even for the One, which is the same across all carriers?
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The One is the across all carriers, EXCEPT SPRINT. CDMA and GSM are completely different pieces of hardware, so one ROM cannot address both chips.
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I know it's CDMA and everything, but does that make a difference? And If it makes a huge difference and I'm just being stupid, please explain why? I want to flash ARHD to my One, but I can't since it doesn't work on Sprint!
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I was actually happy to leave CDMA carrier like Sprint and start using GSM phone which are more widely used and have far more development due to the fact they have the same hardware as their international counterparts
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On of top that Sprint has such inconsistent and spotty service in many parts of the country. Some parts of the country Sprint compatible networks are all but absent.
There's a reason why Sprint subscribers can get such great price and package deals for their phones & data plans... Becausr they cannot hold onto customers who get lured in by the great deals, then as soon as they leave their comfortable metropolitan areas, they have zero signal in some random small town, where the average AT&T and Verizon customers have at least some phone service.
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It's not hard to make a rom for it but because of the hardware differences, it's impossible to make a cross flashable Rom for cdma and gsm.
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Using Aroma it is quite easy to do this. There were many ROMs in the EVO 3D forums that had one flash-able zip for GSM and CDMA phones. You just selected in Aroma. I believe Trick Droid for the One in the International forum is also like this.
And it is not harder to make ROMs for the Sprint version. It is just a matter of DEVs. There are more developers for the GSM version and some are more actively developing and therefore there are more ROMs available. Also they have a 4.2.2 kernel as is for their phone and there has not been one released for the Sprint version. Once there is a 4.2.2 Kernel available for the Sprint variant you'll see lots of movement.
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Using Aroma it is quite easy to do this. There were many ROMs in the EVO 3D forums that had one flash-able zip for GSM and CDMA phones. You just selected in Aroma. I believe Trick Droid for the One in the International forum is also like this.
And it is not harder to make ROMs for the Sprint version. It is just a matter of DEVs. There are more developers for the GSM version and some are more actively developing and therefore there are more ROMs available. Also they have a 4.2.2 kernel as is for their phone and there has not been one released for the Sprint version. Once there is a 4.2.2 Kernel available for the Sprint variant you'll see lots of movement.
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Ahh, gotcha! Thanks!
Now I just get to sit here and wait for ARHD to work on Sprint. Maybe when 4.2.2 is released officially on Sprint, right? So then they can get the kernel?
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Ahh, gotcha! Thanks!
Now I just get to sit here and wait for ARHD to work on Sprint. Maybe when 4.2.2 is released officially on Sprint, right? So then they can get the kernel?
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I think once we get a SPrint 4.2.2 kernel/firmware there will be more crossover, mostly the difference in the the variants is at the kernel level.
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Once there is a 4.2.2 Kernel available for the Sprint variant you'll see lots of movement.
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I agree; I think people are waiting too. It's hard to invest a lot of time into developing a ROM when we'll get a 4.2 release "soon". Sometimes one can just diff to see what's different and incorporate the new features into an already made custom ROM (or vice versa), but it's easier and more stable to start over.
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Now question. Since we have gsm capabilities. If we unlocked our devices in 90 days would we not be able to flash gsm roms?
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Now question. Since we have gsm capabilities. If we unlocked our devices in 90 days would we not be able to flash gsm roms?
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Short answer is no.
I believe the Sprint phones are Hardware rev 0004 which means they would need a kernel for our specific hardware. It's mostly a kernel thing.