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Anyone cancel their plan and recieve google ETF? This IS the cheapest way to get a N1

Okay first off, this is a thread also to show all the people who bombarded me with smart comments about how i WILL definitely recieve a $200 ETF from T-Mobile for cancelling my plan for my nexus...I did not.
This isn't a mean thread either, I just wanted to let everyone know that this did work, So here i am even after being told that I would NEVER come back to say if it worked or not, because i was scared of the "flaming."
So here I am waiting for Google to charge me the $150 ETF, but it still hasn't happened and it has been over 2 months since i cancelled my T Mobile account.
So here I am (Lucky or maybe just waiting) with my nexus which now only has cost $212 without a contract
Order with T mobile contract for $179
Taxes and all that stuff brought it to $212
T MOBILE ETF $0
Google ETF 150??
Final price $212 (for now)
So has anyone cancelled and recieved the ETF yet? I cancelled and the T Mobile rep said to just hand the nexus back over to the fedex guy so maybe T mobile screwed up something but in the end im sure google knows that that phone is in use right now? But also this was close to the time when the nexus store was Closing or they ran out of phones so maybe that confused something? Or most likely, I am just waiting and will recieve it someday.

sassyness77 is pretty smart
someone loves sassyness77!
and it's his girlfriend <3

Nobody else likes you, because you're taking stuff at someone else's expense. When you cancelled T-Mobile, they charged back the commission that Google used to subsidize your phone. Google is out a few hundred bucks right now. You seem to think it's all okay because YOU didn't have to pay what you owe. That makes you a parasite, an unrepentant one at that since you seem happy to brag about getting away with it (for now at least).
This isn't howardforums, if you want to brag about exploiting companies, go there for a receptive audience.

Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.

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Nobody else likes you, because you're taking stuff at someone else's expense. When you cancelled T-Mobile, they charged back the commission that Google used to subsidize your phone. Google is out a few hundred bucks right now. You seem to think it's all okay because YOU didn't have to pay what you owe. That makes you a parasite, an unrepentant one at that since you seem happy to brag about getting away with it (for now at least).
This isn't howardforums, if you want to brag about exploiting companies, go there for a receptive audience.
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wtf you talking about. what do you think googles ERF is for? if google feels the loss they will charge them for it ... @OP
id wait 4 months before celebrating...thats when they will realize tmos not paying the subsidy

sassyness77 said:
Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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Not sure how, but you're confusing dishonesty for intelligence. Parasite was the appropriate term, as what you did amounts to stealing and fraud.

sassyness77 said:
Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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If you do not like the term, don't be a parasite. You KNOW a Nexus One doesn't cost what you paid for it. You KNOW someone had to take that loss. It doesn't matter if they never charge you back, that's just your feeble attempt at justifying yourself. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few ways to dodge the charge (most of which are more clever than what you're taking pride in). I didn't do any of them because...wait for it...I'm not a parasite.
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wtf you talking about. what do you think googles ERF is for? if google feels the loss they will charge them for it ... @OP
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I am fully aware of what the ERF is for, apparently you don't, so I'll break it down for you.
1) HTC makes, sells and delivers a N1 to Google, HTC charges Google somewhere around, but probably somewhat less than, $530.
2) T-Mobile pays Google a commission for every 2 year contract signed over a N1. New activations pay more than upgrades, which is why the N1 costs more when upgrading your plan.
3) Google takes this commission, and gives it to you by subsidizing the phone down to as low as $180. That $350 difference comes from T-Mobile paying Google.
4) You buy the phone, and pay for the service. Google either gets paid immediately (and receives a chargeback if you cancel or downgrade) or doesn't get a check until you've had the service for 120 days (not sure which, since I'm not privy to the specifics of their agreement, but it's one or the other, probably the former as that's the general way the US cellphone market works).
5) T-Mobile, like most US carriers, uses a billing system which will automatically apply sales commissions on activations, and chargebacks on cancellations. As such, the moment you cancel, T-Mobile's systems take back their money.
6) This leaves Google out the amount of your subsidy ($250-$350), which is essentially the cost of the phone, minus what you paid for it($180-$280). Whether or not they (rightfully) charge you for that loss is irrelevant to the fact they took a material loss.
Welcome to how the real world works. For more info, go to college, or get a job.

ATnTdude said:
I am fully aware of what the ERF is for, apparently you don't, so I'll break it down for you.
1) HTC makes, sells and delivers a N1 to Google, HTC charges Google somewhere around, but probably somewhat less than, $530.
2) T-Mobile pays Google a commission for every 2 year contract signed over a N1. New activations pay more than upgrades, which is why the N1 costs more when upgrading your plan.
3) Google takes this commission, and gives it to you by subsidizing the phone down to as low as $180. That $350 difference comes from T-Mobile paying Google.
4) You buy the phone, and pay for the service. Google either gets paid immediately (and receives a chargeback if you cancel or downgrade) or doesn't get a check until you've had the service for 120 days (not sure which, since I'm not privy to the specifics of their agreement, but it's one or the other, probably the former as that's the general way the US cellphone market works).
5) T-Mobile, like most US carriers, uses a billing system which will automatically apply sales commissions on activations, and chargebacks on cancellations. As such, the moment you cancel, T-Mobile's systems take back their money.
6) This leaves Google out the amount of your subsidy ($250-$350), which is essentially the cost of the phone, minus what you paid for it($180-$280). Whether or not they (rightfully) charge you for that loss is irrelevant to the fact they took a material loss.
Welcome to how the real world works. For more info, go to college, or get a job.
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Google changed their ERF because they felt they could take the loss vs customer backlash who would be forced to pay $750 for the nexus if they werent satisfied with Tmobile. It used to be $350, now its $150. Thats called business.
You do not know the deal that tmobile and google made with each other for the specific subsidy amounts. Tmobile pays google once the 120 days of service are up
FYI i have a B.S.S.E and a minor in business. Its not being a parasite for using valid methods to get a phone for cheap. I dont think you have any understand how business works but you just like to throw around things everyone already knows and thinks it helps your argument...but it doesnt

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You do not know the deal that tmobile and google made with each other for the specific subsidy amounts. Tmobile pays google once the 120 days of service are up
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The "subsidy" is obvious, $250 to $350, because the subsidy is what YOU get. I never said what the "commission" is, and acknowledged I cannot know when the payment is sent, or the exact amount. Try to use the correct word when arguing with people.
...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.

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...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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Perfectly stated.....
This thread is going to turn into nothing but flaming... @Op, you knew that starting the thread.... Why? Why do it? Just to brag and wait for how many different ways people can call you out on "ripping off a nexus one?".....
I'm not hear to discuss the issue of getting an n1 for cheap, just to call you out on posting a thread KNOWING you'll get nothing but negative responses..... A lot of that going on on XDA lately and it's kinda sad.....

ATnTdude said:
The "subsidy" is obvious, $250 to $350, because the subsidy is what YOU get. I never said what the "commission" is, and acknowledged I cannot know when the payment is sent, or the exact amount. Try to use the correct word when arguing with people.
...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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The last part of that statement WAS to tell you when google got their payment.
Tmobile does NOT give google the payment if you cancel your contract. Thats when google steps in and gets their "commission" from you instead of tmo
When you buy the phone from google, you pay google 179. When you have been with tmobile for 120 days, tmobile pays google the rest of the money at their agreed upon rate (between 150-350, we dont know) if you cancel, google takes 150 to take their material losses.
Tmobile isnt footing anything, google is. and google makes sure they dont take a loss from this kind of situation. Note the phone's hardware costs $175, so the immediate material loss is already paid for when you buy the phone.

Congrats, you ripped someone off.
Your mistake was thinking anyone here would care. If you wanted "ZOMG DEWD GRATS BRAH!!!!!11one!!1" you're in the wrong forum.

Yadda yadda, someone is a db.. Let's just wave our hands until the Mods see and close this thread..

Due to the nature of the thread, I will close it down.

Memo confirms Iphone5 coming to Sprint?

I know this post has nothing to do with the EVO Supersonic but this is where I hang soo....
source:http://www.examiner.com/technology-...irms-sprint-iphone-5-points-to-october-launch
I hope this puts Sprint in the black. Sprint in July reported its 15th consecutive quarterly loss.
Oh reference for above
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-19/sprint-said-in-talks-about-clearwire-buyout.html?
EVO with CM7 ~Nightly
Bootloader: duh.
Kernel: Savaged Zen 2.2.1

Leaked cases seem to indicate a 4"+ display.

Please stop posting about the ****ing iphone in the evo forum. Nobody cares.

thegregbradley said:
Please stop posting about the ****ing iphone in the evo forum. Nobody cares.
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I hate to say it but I agree. This is an Evo forum, not a Sprint general forum.
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to the children in here
do you guys have to be d**kwads? or is it just something hardwired into your brain? this is interesting stuff. iphone coming to sprint is epic. I care and so does a lot of people. this would bring tons of buisness to our phone carrier. more business equals more money, more money equals more cell towers, more cell towers equals better reception, better reception equals really awesome 4G. So all in all stop with the whole android and iphone war its old, stupid and childish. they are both really badass smartphones. please grow the f**k up.

jaquaslife said:
do you guys have to be d**kwads? or is it just something hardwired into your brain? this is interesting stuff. iphone coming to sprint is epic. I care and so does a lot of people. this would bring tons of buisness to our phone carrier. more business equals more money, more money equals more cell towers, more cell towers equals better reception, better reception equals really awesome 4G. So all in all stop with the whole android and iphone war its old, stupid and childish. they are both really badass smartphones. please grow the f**k up.
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While I won't mind having an iPhone along with my EVO. IPhone doesn't mean more money. It's been stated that after the last 4 years anyone who wanted an iPhone switched carriers and has an iPhone. It will create some more money, but when all carriers have the same phone customers will look at the network, sadly sprint right now doesn't have the best network.
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read that also and am contemplating getting one to check it out if i don't like it could always sell it

There are those who are totally in love with their precious Apple iphone, they swear by it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. What's even worse is they actually go out and spend the $200-300 to buy their product. It should most definitely be the other way around, Apple should be paying me to use their phone. To sum it all up, I wouldn't touch an iphone with a 10ft pole..... Thanks
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spider2346 said:
There are those who are totally in love with their precious Apple iphone, they swear by it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. What's even worse is they actually go out and spend the $200-300 to buy their product. It should most definitely be the other way around, Apple should be paying me to use their phone. To sum it all up, I wouldn't touch an iphone with a 10ft pole..... Thanks
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true but dont android fanboys do the same thing?

jaquaslife said:
true but dont android fanboys do the same thing?
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Yes they do. Lol
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jaquaslife said:
true but dont android fanboys do the same thing?
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Comedy
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Hey yea I was looking for a Sprint general but could not find one. EVO folk seem to understand more than the rest so I posted here.

lithid-cm said:
It's been stated that after the last 4 years anyone who wanted an iPhone switched carriers and has an iPhone.
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Just because it's been stated doesn't mean its true; I, along with many other people I know on sprint & t-mo, are waiting for the iPhone to come to their respective carrier.
Reception in their hometown, plan pricing, and applicable employee discounts clearly override the desire to switch carriers and pay more just to have an iPhone, especially since there are comparable phones to choose from.
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jaquaslife said:
do you guys have to be d**kwads? or is it just something hardwired into your brain? this is interesting stuff. iphone coming to sprint is epic. I care and so does a lot of people. this would bring tons of buisness to our phone carrier. more business equals more money, more money equals more cell towers, more cell towers equals better reception, better reception equals really awesome 4G. So all in all stop with the whole android and iphone war its old, stupid and childish. they are both really badass smartphones. please grow the f**k up.
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Thank you!
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bjb_nyj101 said:
Just because it's been stated doesn't mean its true; I, along with many other people I know on sprint & t-mo, are waiting for the iPhone to come to their respective carrier.
Reception in their hometown, plan pricing, and applicable employee discounts clearly override the desire to switch carriers and pay more just to have an iPhone, especially since there are comparable phones to choose from.
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True, not everyone leaves their carrier over a phone.

There's two benefits IMO.
1. Some people love the iPhone but would love the iPhone with Sprint's cheaper family plan pricing even better.
2. Hate it or love it, there's not many dumb phone users who'd impulsively upgrade to the $10 premium data fee for an Android or WP7 phone but would for the iPhone.

jaquaslife said:
true but dont android fanboys do the same thing?
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No we just don't like Apple.
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jaquaslife said:
do you guys have to be d**kwads? or is it just something hardwired into your brain? this is interesting stuff. iphone coming to sprint is epic. I care and so does a lot of people. this would bring tons of buisness to our phone carrier. more business equals more money, more money equals more cell towers, more cell towers equals better reception, better reception equals really awesome 4G. So all in all stop with the whole android and iphone war its old, stupid and childish. they are both really badass smartphones. please grow the f**k up.
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Yeah.....sprint need a sudden influx of people sucking on an already collapsed straw of bandwidth.
Or maybe you are right. They are just waiting on more customers to justify flipping the switch on decent service.

newter55 said:
Yeah.....sprint need a sudden influx of people sucking on an already collapsed straw of bandwidth.
Or maybe you are right. They are just waiting on more customers to justify flipping the switch on decent service.
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More customers means more money more money means more money capable of being put into the network.

jaquaslife said:
do you guys have to be d**kwads? or is it just something hardwired into your brain? this is interesting stuff. iphone coming to sprint is epic. I care and so does a lot of people. this would bring tons of buisness to our phone carrier. more business equals more money, more money equals more cell towers, more cell towers equals better reception, better reception equals really awesome 4G. So all in all stop with the whole android and iphone war its old, stupid and childish. they are both really badass smartphones. please grow the f**k up.
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How would this bring tons of business to you carrier? Do you not know the track record of the iPhone? The only thing Sprint has going for it is good android devices and unlimited plan. Let's all guess which of those will disappear if iPhone comes to Sprint. At&t and Verizon has both lost one of these two.....Sprint customers will get the iPhone when Verizon buys them after at&t and t- mobile deal goes through. Wecome to big red.
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Class Action Lawsuit Against LG/ATT

My wife and I both purchased the LG Thrill with promises from ATT store clerks of the android updates, in September. Now I don't know about you others, but we are pretty pissed off with ATT & LG. In most states, the law says that even a verbal contract IS a binding contract! I believe then, that those two companies are in breach of contract then. Besides, we all know the store clerks fib to make a sale/commission. That's ATT's problem. Their employees represent the company and speak for the company and clearly they've lied to hundreds of us.
We propose we start a nationwide class action lawsuit against both or one or the other, LG and ATT.
Think about it, hundreds of lied to customers.... it's an easy win for us in any court. Refunded contracts? And monthly payments?
Let me know what you think, please. We are serious about doing this. We need just basics to get it rolling. Name, contact info, purchase details, and the lies you were told. Message me for more details! Peace brothers and sisters.
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Most companies DO NOT allow reps to make a promise on behalf of the company unless written documentation is provided with the promise from the company. Due to those stipulations you don't really have a case against AT&T but you do have a case against the rep who did make the claim.
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I appreciate your comments. I think I would have to disagree though. I am a military veteran and now work in the oilfield and I can honestly say that once you put on that company uniform and your clock starts ticking, you are the company.
That's why some people in the spotlight resign once a bad image begins developing on them, to save face with whom they work for and represent.
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I am a going by what is law. Think about it for a minute. Someone could infiltrate a workplace make promises and then quit. Now the company should be held liable for all those promises? A company can seriously get screwed by that scenario. This is why you hear that line "Get it in writing".
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Tidbits said:
I am a going by what is law. Think about it for a minute. Someone could infiltrate a workplace make promises and then quit. Now the company should be held liable for all those promises? A company can seriously get screwed by that scenario. This is why you hear that line "Get it in writing".
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Didn't Google get it in writing? Plus, I was also told gb was coming in a couple weeks when I purchased my phone back in September.
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lastdeadmouse said:
Didn't Google get it in writing? Plus, I was also told gb was coming in a couple weeks when I purchased my phone back in September.
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Nope Google didn't get it in writing, and neither did you. If you listened to the CES. There was no start date stated, and they just "founded" a team to set guidelines.
I say go ahead and sue it doesn't matter to me much, but you CAN'T base your lawsuit based on what a rep said especially when they are NOT authorized to make a promise for the company without having it in writing from the company.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qlyG7cc8bA
there's the link. Honestly everyone expects since the release of this information that it would happen with the start of ICS devices. Current devices probably would get GB or ICS and that's it. Google does say devices from this point forward will receive updates in a "timely" way... Though they haven't even set those guidelines yet... Then it will be a question of what is timely? Kind of like that word "Soon" it could mean now til the end of the world if you know what I mean.

Am I the point of just waiting for an announcement for Nexus to hit at&t. Although I love the phone for its build and specs the updates on any android device (besides Nexus) is a big letdown and Google isn't doing anything about it. It should not take no more then 2 months to release an update for any phone if a team is dedicated to build it.

why not?
i think a lawsuit would be good even if we wouldnt win. i will give my information up ic you were serious, pm me when you are ready. either way i dont see how this could hurt anything, this phone really sucks with froyo and i feel like i wasted my upgrade, yeah ive been pissed for a while

AT&T contracts do not allow class action lawsuit. But it does say on lg site for the thrill that is is upgradable to gingerbread.

If that is true, we as consumers can still sue, independently if so. However, since the lawsuit would be on the basis of "breaching contract", then any clause they have prohibiting class action would be null and void, so to speak. I have studied contract law some years back and know a little about this. Did a corporate executive ever personally sign your contract? No. That's one key element in contract; a meeting of the minds. A computer cannot represent a person like this in contract. There are four simple basics in contract. ATT has violated their end of it, whether by neglect or false advertising or false promises. A rep of ATT is the face of the company. So what if they get fired for lieing to the customer and it causes a major lawsuit, their bad, their bad for lying to get a deal made.

I guess LG and AT&T failed to give us GB...
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If that is true, we as consumers can still sue, independently if so. However, since the lawsuit would be on the basis of "breaching contract", then any clause they have prohibiting class action would be null and void, so to speak. I have studied contract law some years back and know a little about this. Did a corporate executive ever personally sign your contract? No. That's one key element in contract; a meeting of the minds. A computer cannot represent a person like this in contract. There are four simple basics in contract. ATT has violated their end of it, whether by neglect or false advertising or false promises. A rep of ATT is the face of the company. So what if they get fired for lieing to the customer and it causes a major lawsuit, their bad, their bad for lying to get a deal made.
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Say I worked for you and you gave me no authorization to make any form of promise. I promised on your companies behalf that the first 100 people to private message me would get a $1,000,000. Would you honor it? Easy answer would be no you would not. It's the same thing when I was recruited into the USN. I didn't get any written documentation that I would be stationed here in the pacific at Pearl Harbor. The Navy recruiter is no longer a recruiter and in the Navy because he made a whole bunch of promises that he was not authorized to make for people that he wasn't authorized to make.
I have been down this road before and I am telling you now there is no "breach" of contract if a rep was not authorized.
As for the "meeting of minds" part of the contract. You don't have to be face to face for that to be honored.
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We need to do something to get this update on track. At least a solid date!!!

I will join to make a point to at&t.
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I m piss off with att and lg too. I was wondering is there anything we can do to make lg release the source code for xda community? Since, the phone use b/c it used lunix code. I think it would be faster than sue freaking att.
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count me in
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count me in as well. this is my first android phone and honestly when i went to buy it, i didnt know anything about any froyo or ics or gb. i just bought it. they didnt tell me anything, but after getting it, i read in a huge number of places how the gb was supposed to b released shortly after release date. count me in anyway....just for that +1

Class action lawsuits benefit one person. The lawyers. By all means put strain on a company to get some assholes paid to represent you. I'll continue to wait (not so) patiently or move on to another phone.

And the other thing is the vast majority of Thrill or really any phone owners don't really care that much about updates as long as their phone is working okay.

@donavo same here my first Android phone and I regret it only because its filled with
bugs and crashes because of froyo and at&t had said it would be updated within the month so I didn't return it for the galaxy s2 what a mistake that was..
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anyone else flip phones on craigslist?

lol i do.
yesterday i needed some quick cash because of a move im doing and i was short on my energy bill...
so i put my sprint galaxy nexus on craigslist for sale/ trade.
last week i got it new in the box for 150. a deal to me for sure.
i got a bunch of crap offers but eventually someone offered me their epic 4g touch and 100 cash for the gnex.
so we met up at a sprint store and called customer care because the store cannot do active phone swaps and we both went home happy.
right away i listed the phone on craigslist, within a few hours i got a few offers, mostly junk but one was or seemed to be worth while.
a white iphone 4 8gb, with case and charger, even trade. so telling her i was interested i posted the white iphone up on craigslist also forsale/trade before i even had it. i got many offers, a few low balls (lol even 50 dollars with the excuse that its outdated and old and the new iphone will be out this month lol), then a 225.00 offer, a 200 dollar offer, you get the idea. i entertained them all, but one of the guys ended up changing their minds and made a even better offer, he retracted his 200 dollar offer and said he would trade me his mint condition epic 4g touch with case,charger and 100 cash... BINGO lol, i quickly accepted.
how could i loose, i met up with the girl at 615pm to do the swap for my epic touch for her iphone 4, after thats done i wait for the guy who comes at 7 and we call sprint all over again and do another swap, it all works out and i leave with another 100 in cash and the same phone i came in with lol.
so i was tainted with a apple phone for about 10 mins... Lol it wasn't that bad but the screen was hard to adjust to.
anyone else flip on craigs? needless to say i have my epic back up on CL for hopefully another trade or sale.
i already got my epic touch running jellybean and honestly its not too much different then my gnex minus the lte which i dont have yet and the HD screen which is noticeable to me.

Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".

alpha-niner64 said:
Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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lol immoral?
im using a public website that is made for buying,selling, and bartering.
thats exactly what im doing.
im not "abusing" or misusing anything, and its not a mega corporation where im scamming their return policies.
its a buy sell and trade website..
thats exactly what im doing.
in fact there are reality tv shows based on this same thing, that where they use outlets like craigslist, people do it with everything under the sun, from tvs, to cars.
im not ripping anyone off or telling people things that they arent.
im giving people what they want and im getting what i want.
exactly what the website is for.

When you start to talk about morality, you instantly are entering into a subjective paradigm in the philosophical/metaphysical sense. However, I do agree you're in a way taking advantage of peoples lack of knowledge on the tech you're trading. Is this immoral? Depends on how you define it. If both parties are happy and walk away from the deal feeling like their was an equitable exchange, then I personally don't think so. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Now, if you intentionally mislead the other party into believing they're getting a much better offer than they realize for your profit then yes this is, to me, immoral, but I don't think your doing this. It is the reason I believe the majority of advertisements and those working in the field are in some sense immoral, but this is getting off topic.
In short, I haven't done it and for me the amount of time and effort isn't worth the small return.

I didn't mean to imply you're ripping anyone off. I just find it interesting how one can make a buck nowadays. I stress the kind of part because I read about the iphone part and it boggles my mind how people are willing to pay so much for so little. I get that if the needs are met then it's fine. However it boggles me further how people can conclude the iphone 4 and the galaxy s2 phone is of equal value. Galaxy s2 clearly has better specs plus MIUI more than makes up for the iOS experience. I get that not everyone is gifted with our passion which is why I use the term "immoral" for someone who knowingly barters with this information in hand. But I do agree with l3lessed that if the girl is happy then that's what matters. Then I conclude that while the ends justifies the means this time, I wouldn't make a habit of this kind of business.
That said: I'm sure you can many people in the MP that has "flipped phone".

alpha-niner64 said:
I didn't mean to imply you're ripping anyone off. I just find it interesting how one can make a buck nowadays. I stress the kind of part because I read about the iphone part and it boggles my mind how people are willing to pay so much for so little. I get that if the needs are met then it's fine. However it boggles me further how people can conclude the iphone 4 and the galaxy s2 phone is of equal value. Galaxy s2 clearly has better specs plus MIUI more than makes up for the iOS experience. I get that not everyone is gifted with our passion which is why I use the term "immoral" for someone who knowingly barters with this information in hand. But I do agree with l3lessed that if the girl is happy then that's what matters. Then I conclude that while the ends justifies the means this time, I wouldn't make a habit of this kind of business.
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Ahh I see.
I was just short this month and this way its legal Lol
Everyone was happy. In fact all the deals I did were brought to me, made by the other party.
I agree the iPhone to me isn't worth much but as everyone can see they have a huge faithful following, enough so to dump more premium phones (in our eyes) in order to have one.
Locally regular iPhone 4 non s versions are still selling more than galaxy s2s.
Its mind boggling to me actually.
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I flip phones all the time. If i find a great deal then i will most definitely snatch it up. One thing I never do is low ball. I always offer them a fair price that's low enough for me to make a profit, yet sits well with conscience. Business on Craigslist is easy money if you can negotiate.
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I can't see the immorality in his actions. He's entertaining offers from others and not misrepresenting his goods. If anything, I'm impressed by the fact that youre arranging Craigslist deals in advance and juggling it all. You should get into stocks or futures or something and make real money with your talents.

It's not immoral, nothing wrong with it.
I have done that once or twice, it's how I get "new phones for free" but honestly it takes too much time/effort/driving and to me is not really worth it. I do it like once a year to upgrade my phone but that's about it. It's not a bad way to get a decent device though, just be willing to put up with all the BS that goes along with it.
I actually prefer the MP here for the most part, except for a few items that are overpriced here that I want to buy or underpriced (compared to local prices) that I want to sell.

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guthrien said:
I can't see the immorality in his actions. He's entertaining offers from others and not misrepresenting his goods. If anything, I'm impressed by the fact that youre arranging Craigslist deals in advance and juggling it all. You should get into stocks or futures or something and make real money with your talents.
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If I only knew where to begin.
I'm stuck at a dead end job for the last 8 years and live check to check.
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I apologize I thought I was in the off topic section.
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Damn, that's a really good idea. Never though of that. ;p

KayxGee1 said:
I flip phones all the time. If i find a great deal then i will most definitely snatch it up. One thing I never do is low ball. I always offer them a fair price that's low enough for me to make a profit, yet sits well with conscience. Business on Craigslist is easy money if you can negotiate.
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Exactly.
Low ballers make me sick,but that's just a part of Craigslist.
Its not hard to do,but can be time consuming and irritating when you run into tire kickers and people who bs.
Throughout all the years I've used Craigslist for everything under the sun, from TVs,to fish tanks,to cars,refrigerators and probably other things I can't recall. But I've never have had one bad experience, never been robbed or put into any bad situations.
You just have to be smart and smell a bad situation before it happens.
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intheb0x said:
Exactly.
Low ballers make me sick,but that's just a part of Craigslist.
Its not hard to do,but can be time consuming and irritating when you run into tire kickers and people who bs.
Throughout all the years I've used Craigslist for everything under the sun, from TVs,to fish tanks,to cars,refrigerators and probably other things I can't recall. But I've never have had one bad experience, never been robbed or put into any bad situations.
You just have to be smart and smell a bad situation before it happens.
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I've never been robbed either. Just very nice people looking to buy and sell items.
If they want quick cash and I'm willing to buy, so be it. I take the time to relist the item and sit on it for a few days, a week, hell I've sat on an item for 3 months! It's all about time and effort. Here in NJ, there are really good deals. Business is just business.
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Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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So you feel the same about people that flip houses, cars, etc? Essentially you hate capitalism? Supply & demand, etc?

I made money on craigslist this pass week. I just sold my GS3 for $400 (which I bought new for $440 on eBAY) and with the money I bought a white EVO LTE in mint condition for $225 which I sold on Ebay for $340 ($300 after fees and ship).
I list it on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900703 but the memebers here are to cheap to even recognize a good deal.

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I made money on craigslist this pass week. I just sold my GS3 for $400 (which I bought new for $440 on eBAY) and with the money I bought a white EVO LTE in mint condition for $225 which I sold on Ebay for $340 ($300 after fees and ship).
I list it on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900703 but the memebers here are to cheap to even recognize a good deal.
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Very nice.
I made some additional moves on Craigs list recently which I didn't post about.
I traded my gs2 for a white 16gb 4s which in return i traded for a new in the box black evo lte.
Sad to say I'm surprised that the resale value on these phones aren't higher, because the lte is not too much different than the gs3...
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I have for years!
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I think it depends on your local community. For me craigslist is a massive headache full of flakes and people wanting msrp for 2 year old used tech.
I can't even tell you how many times I've relied to ads and been ignored.
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Selling While Financed?

Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?

No but I know att has a spot when you view your stuff online to view what you owe to own it
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If you financed through Google, you can sell it as the IMEI doesn't show up as financed and the phone is unlocked. Carrier phone IMEI should show up as financed like my T-Mobile phones. I sold my 3A without any issues.
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Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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Is that even allowed without informing the poor bastard that bought it that he's locked out? That is a weird question. Why do you ask it?

No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.

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I'm almost certain that is fraud. You don't own it to sell it!

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No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.
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Isn't that illegal? You don't own it to sell it!
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People sell their houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view

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People sell they're houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view
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That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.

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That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.
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Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!

m+a+r+k said:
Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!
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not true you can sell it just like you can with a car and have someone take over payments. as long as you pay your monthly dues you'll be good.

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I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.

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I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.
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That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.

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That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.
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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.

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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.
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I wasn't sure about the Verizon line/account restrictions. Of course you are not one to stiff a friend or stranger for that matter. But that's not the point really, or at least I don't think the OP was referring to a private sale like what you did. Private sales are just that, private. But selling a financed phone, car, home or bicycle where the purchaser can have it repossessed unbeknownst to him or her then that is illegal. I'm not an attorney but that would be a case to bring if you can find the person who stiffed you. Thus Swappa will not allow a financed device on their selling site and eBay I'm not sure of. I doubt they check but Paypal might have an issue if reported. Bottom line, don't sell a financed device without full disclosure and a signature to prove it.