Even if you guys opted for the 8gb I think usb otg is native on ics and I'm pretty sure it's the same on JB. Or am I wrong ?
It is native since Honeycomb, the issue (I believe) is knowing if enough power is going to the micro usb to power a flash drive. Err...right guys?
Correct in that the power needs to be at the port to support it, but also code that enables read write and file management paths for apps and the device to see on the N7.
Seems based on the manual and the cloud intent of the device, it might not be supported by design.
What about powering sd cards via the otg, does it require 5v as well or can you get away with 3.3v?
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Anandtech updates..
Anandtech's mini-review was updated regarding OTG support, though the quote is extremely vague:
"Update: I've had many emails and questions about whether USB-OTG (On The Go) is supported on the Nexus 7, and didn't touch on it when I originally hit publish becuause I wasn't entirely sure. I've now confirmed that USB-OTG is supported on the Nexus 7, and works on the current Android 4.1 non-final build that has been sampled. That's encouraging, and I'll test it myself when I get home and to my miniUSB OTG adapter."
I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer before we know the extent of OTG support - why he couldn't have said WHAT device(s) he tested is beyond me. Either way, I wouldn't hold my breath as Google has had a long standing interest in pushing us towards the cloud.
According to the guide book on Play, it supports OTG for input devices...no mention of storage. Still, it may work without mods, but even if not I'm sure it will be done relatively quickly.
The main thing is, the guide does confirm that you can use devices without power, and recommends using a powered hub for plugging in multiple devices, to "avoid draining your device's battery." So...even if you can't plug in a flash drive out of the box, this will probably be a software solution, instead of a hardware one.
Just waiting for some kind of confirmation for MHL now...
People seem to have taken the Anandtech post to heart, but the manual already lists USB input support. My guess is with the small battery, the power probably only supports 3.3V so will not be reliable for portable storage.
Not long to find out
There's thousands of nexuses floating around out there, just waiting to be tested...I really hope it does. Movies on flash drives ftw.
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rushless said:
People seem to have taken the Anandtech post to heart, but the manual already lists USB input support. My guess is with the small battery, the power probably only supports 3.3V so will not be reliable for portable storage.
Not long to find out
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For starters... see this thread.
I realize that 3.3v isn't going to power an external HDD (or even an SSD, I guess), but my question is is 3.3v enough power to read from a full size SD card like this:
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in a USB reader plugged into a cable consisting of a Micro USB male at one end and a Type-A female at the other end like this:
See the other linked thread if these references make no sense.
SD cards are cheap (even fast Class 10 and faster UHS-1 SD Cards). I just don't know if all of them can be read at 3.3v?
Whatever the Galaxy Nexus is at, it can run USB drives up to 32GB (highest i've tested) but it can't run any form of hard drive.
neok44 said:
Whatever the Galaxy Nexus is at, it can run USB drives up to 32GB (highest i've tested)....
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You mean USB flash/thumb/jump drives like this, right?
neok44 said:
...but it can't run any form of hard drive.
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I wonder if it could run an SSD external? Hmm.... <scratches head>
SoonerLater said:
SD cards are cheap (even fast Class 10 and faster UHS-1 SD Cards). I just don't know if all of them can be read at 3.3v?
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Nothing (or close to nothing) will work on 3.3V directly since USB devices expect 5V. You'd need a powered hub on the way.
See the KF OTG thread to see the challenge of making it work.
There's also the question of current available, not just voltage. SD cards are actually power hungry compared to input devices, if there's not enough current available from the port they either won't work at all or won't work properly.
SoonerLater said:
You mean USB flash/thumb/jump drives like this, right?
I wonder if it could run an SSD external? Hmm.... <scratches head>
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yes like that. i've tested up to 32GB flash drives, as well as a usb-microsd reader up to 16GB.
if i had an SSD i'd test. My Asus Transformer can run my 1TB hard drive though.
gkpm said:
Nothing (or close to nothing) will work on 3.3V directly since USB devices expect 5V. You'd need a powered hub on the way.
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OK, but see...
All SD card families initially use a 3.3-volt electrical interface. On command, SDHC and SDXC cards switch to 1.8-volt operation
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Source: Wikipedia. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that a USB reader/writer doesn't require 5v, but at least the card doesn't. Many of the readers are so tiny, I can't imagine a voltage transformer circuit being in one, but if they're getting 5v and stepping it down to 3.3v or 1.8v, it could only be done with a transformer -- unless an SD card can tolerate working at 5v even though it only needs 3.3v or 1.8v. Hmmm.... The mystery deepens.
gkpm said:
There's also the question of current available, not just voltage. SD cards are actually power hungry compared to input devices, if there's not enough current available from the port they either won't work at all or won't work properly.
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I understand your point about current, but can't find anything (yet) which specifies how many watts or amps a typical SD card reader/writer needs.
We should see an update at Anandtech this weekend and know the scoop.
If it works, I will get a 16gb and retire my View.
Via Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review) :
Update 2: I've asked for further clarification about what USB-OTG functionality is supported. Using a mouse and keyboard will be supported, and I saw Google using an ethernet to USB adapter over USB-OTG as well. Unfortunately I found out that mounting USB storage will not be supported natively. In addition MHL is not supported.
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Until the USB host thing is overcome, there are some alternatives to access external storage, including:
1. Use Wifi Explorer app on the Nexus to push/pull files between it and a computer on the same Wifi environment.
2. Get a Seagate Satellite. It's a battery-powered 500gb USB 3.0 hard drive with its own on-board Linux server and Wifi hotspot. Mine lasts about 6 hours on battery with three kids using it to stream three different movies at the same time. New ones are going for about $140 on ebay now; about $160 on Amazon.
ap3604 said:
Via Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review) :
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Not natively....but rooted with the Stickmount app? Could possibly still work.
Nospin said:
Not natively....but rooted with the Stickmount app? Could possibly still work.
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Yeah, they need to test stickmount. USBOTG doesn't natively on the galaxy nexus either, if I am remembering correctly. The app makes it simple enough.
There is already a thread discussing USB-OTG, please continue all further discussion there.
Related
After reading some experiences on my other thread about how some USB devices work perfectly, and some only allow you to see and copy your material I am starting this thread so that people that need to buy external storage but are afraid it may not work.
So some people that already have the Nexus7 have been able to have Full USB support. Some have not been so lucky.
Here is how to have full usb support:
Step 1) Root your Nexus
Step 2) Download and set up the app Stickmount
Step 3) buy a usb drive and a USB-OTG cable (plenty of threads on where to buy
Step 4) Post your results in this thread using the forum below.
Nexus7 16GB or 8GB
USB device: (Manufacturer, model, size, etc. Whether it is USBdrive, Harddrive, or sdcard)
USB-OTG cord: (Brand, purchased from, relevant thread)
Could you see the files in the Nexus7 native file explorer?: Yes or No
Could you see them with any other explorer? Yes or no
If yes which one: (App name)
Do the files open normally from the explorer? (Can you click on a song and have it open automatically in your default music player? How about pics? Movies? apks?): Yes or no
If no: What happened? Was there an error? Did you find a workaround?
This should help us buy the right brands so we don't waste our money.
NOTE TO THE MODS:
This is not a thread requesting deals, or a thread discussing how to host USB
This thread is just for the effectiveness of each device.
This thread should ONLY have posts with the above format and replies that are designed to help fix any problems with that device.
If you want to discuss anything about the Nexus7's ability to host, or about it's host development, etc please post in this general thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736825
Please only post in this thread if you have a review of your experiences, or if you have a method to fix someone's problematic experiences (though that could be handled through PM and then the OP of that review could update their post.
Let's keep this as a neat organized reference. If you want to thank anyone in this thread, just hit the thanks button, no need to post.
I have 16 gig nexus 7
I can play videos browse files etc using File Manager HD ( free in market)
cable is just cheap generic Micro USB Host Mode OTG Cable from Amazon £2.99 that I had brought for my Galaxy Note
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aftermarket-Product-T-Flash-GT-i9100-GT-N7000/dp/B005FUNQXS/ref=?ie=UTF8&m=ADSCLDKL0FHCQ
Card is a sandisk 16gb micro sd card inserted in the supplied sandisk reader, card is formatted fat32
update
Just checked
pictures & video open fine with default app or giving choice of app by just clicking on them
Updated.
Nexus7 16GB
USB device: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MXON98/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
USB-OTG cord: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
Could you see the files in the Nexus7 native file explorer?: no native explorer
Could you see them with any other explorer? Yes
If yes which one: Es file explorer
Do the files open normally from the explorer? (Can you click on a song and have it open automatically in your default music player? How about pics? Movies? apks?): Yes but most video files only worked on vplayer. Tried MX player but it would only open mkv, and wouldn't give me sound. But the picture quality seemed better.
Everything works perfectly
Off to test out controllers
Nexus7 8GB I/O
USB device: 16gb sandisc class 2 microSD card (FAT32) inside sandisk sd card reader
USB-OTG cord: generic from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0081CRXGI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
Could you see the files in the Nexus7 native file explorer?: unaware there is a native file explorer
Could you see them with any other explorer? Yes
If yes which one: Root Explorer
Do the files open normally from the explorer? Yes (tried video and audio so far)
adiliyo said:
Could you see the files in the Nexus7 native file explorer?: unaware there is a native file explorer
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Looks like JB doesn't have one, come to think of it has any version ?
flub said:
Looks like JB doesn't have one, come to think of it has any version ?
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Sorry never owned a nexus
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just checking, did the posters above use the otg cable without rooting and it worked?
testaccount said:
just checking, did the posters above use the otg cable without rooting and it worked?
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Refer to step 1 in the OP
Now there needs to be a case made that allows for the USB drive to be tucked away so we don't need to worry about it.
cg.voabc said:
Now there needs to be a case made that allows for the USB drive to be tucked away so we don't need to worry about it.
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This is true, but this is not the thread to discuss that, as stated in the IO, please keep all posts related to the review of USB-OTG setups.
flub said:
I have 16 gig nexus 7
I can play videos browse files etc using File Manager HD ( free in market)
cable is just cheap generic Micro USB Host Mode OTG Cable from Amazon £2.99 that I had brought for my Galaxy Note
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aftermarket-Product-T-Flash-GT-i9100-GT-N7000/dp/B005FUNQXS/ref=?ie=UTF8&m=ADSCLDKL0FHCQ
Card is a sandisk 16gb micro sd card inserted in the supplied sandisk reader, card is formatted fat32
update
Just checked
pictures & video open fine with default app or giving choice of app by just clicking on them
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Do we need to use a specific kernel? Also under file manager, what label is it under? I cant seem to find anything
Just tested my setup with a WD passport and it doesn't look like it has enough power to spin the drive up, but personally I don't really want to carry a hard drive around, uSD and flash drives are okay with me
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Up m4v playing with super video ROM micro SD card
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DONNY TRUMP said:
Do we need to use a specific kernel? Also under file manager, what label is it under? I cant seem to find anything
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1) no, just root
2) read op. Also read description for stickmount.
3) READ OP this thread is for review, questions go in the other thread.
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Anyone order this one?
dx.com/p/micro-usb-on-the-go-host-otg-adapter-pair-50774?item=1
I just bought this one but haven't tested yet(I still don't have my N7). Anyone know if this would work? I am considering cancelling my order from dx.com and purchasing another adapter that is confirmed works.
Censura_Umbra said:
1) no, just root
2) read op. Also read description for stickmount.
3) READ OP this thread is for review, questions go in the other thread.
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So if someone says "yeah I got it to work" I should open up the other thread and ask that person that posted his results on this thread how he got it to work since im having trouble? OMG yeah that makes sense. why didn't i think of that. unbelievable.
Edit time: I got it working, set up is as follows:
Nexus 7 8gb
Generic USB OTG cable from ebay $2.50 (US Seller) I believe Amazon has them for cheaper
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20078495618...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_981wt_1037
Kingston 16gb micro Flash $10
http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-datatraveler-micro-16gb-usb-2-0-flash-drive-blue/227277954.html
and downloaded Stickmount. Once it worked I could open the files with Astro. Made a shortcut/widget to that folder, once plugged in, just click and browse. Makes it much easier.
Only thing is that cable ships from hong Kong. Its going to take weeks to get to you. Anyone know of a retailer that sales them?
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DONNY TRUMP said:
So if someone says "yeah I got it to work" I should open up the other thread and ask that person that posted his results on this thread how he got it to work since im having trouble? OMG yeah that makes sense. why didn't i think of that. unbelievable.
Edit time: I got it working, set up is as follows:
Nexus 7 8gb
Generic USB OTG cable from ebay $2.50 (US Seller) I believe Amazon has them for cheaper
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20078495618...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_981wt_1037
Kingston 16gb micro Flash $10
http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-datatraveler-micro-16gb-usb-2-0-flash-drive-blue/227277954.html
and downloaded Stickmount. Once it worked I could open the files with Astro. Made a shortcut/widget to that folder, once plugged in, just click and browse. Makes it much easier.
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No, you can pm them. Only reason is so that the mods don't close this thread for being too similar to the other thread.
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feelinfroggy23 said:
Only thing is that cable ships from hong Kong. Its going to take weeks to get to you. Anyone know of a retailer that sales them?
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huh? What cable? I just gave you an ebay link that ships from Brooklyn, NY. I ordered it go to me in 2 days. Ebay has a bunch of US sellers selling these cables all of which ship from the US, but keep an eye on the "should reach to you by this date" thing. I noticed some said 11-20 business days while others said a couple days from the order date. Only thing that sucks is that US sellers are usually at least 2x the price of hong kongers which in this case means $3 instead of $1.50 lol
I may try this one. How can they ship a 95 cent item free from Hong Kong? I like this one because it looks real small (would just keep it attached to the flash drive).
Okay, so I had a cable from a LONG LONG time ago and I know I got it on amazon but I don't remember where. What I'm posting for is I just formatted a micro SD Card to NTFS and loaded a movie on it and it plays AMAZING from the USB. I used stickmount after root, obviously, but I'm most impressed with flash NTFS support!! Looking now for a 128 GB USB stick if anyone has one to recommend.
Since Nexus 7 will support otg, I wonder if there is any flash drive will directly mount on micro-USB port. I know Kingston have micro data traveler which is really small, but it only has regular USB and still need a adapter to connect, so if there is a flash drive with micro usb, then we can expand the memory of N7 easily without adding too much volume
wanghaojie630 said:
Since Nexus 7 will support otg, I wonder if there is any flash drive will directly mount on micro-USB port. I know Kingston have micro data traveler which is really small, but it only has regular USB and still need a adapter to connect, so if there is a flash drive with micro usb, then we can expand the memory of N7 easily without adding too much volume
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This is all you need! Its cheap, it works.
the answer is right now NO . There has been no flash drive or external storage that will plug directly into the micro usb port.. I am working on making one with a flat printed circuit cable.will post a thread with pics if am able to get it working should be not much thicker then the micro sd card. IF IF IF ..
Posted this i found in a similar thread:
www dot mobilefun dot co dot uk
/mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3-p35462.htm
Its not exactly what you asked and is totally untested with the N7. I'v asked them to maybe test it, failing that i'll take a punt on buying one and let ya'll know how it worked out.
i had the same thought so i bought these two
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-M...Accessories&hash=item2a1ff4f02c#ht_500wt_1199
and
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruze...1342550864&sr=1-1&keywords=sandisk+cruzer+fit
sure its not a true plug in micro usb drive, but ill be able to plug it in and not have it hanging on a cable
erica_renee said:
the answer is right now NO . There has been no flash drive or external storage that will plug directly into the micro usb port.. I am working on making one with a flat printed circuit cable.will post a thread with pics if am able to get it working should be not much thicker then the micro sd card. IF IF IF ..
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Very nice that you're working on this issue. I read somewhere that Google had disabled the ability to mount a drive in the Jelly Beanie o.s.
Saildog said:
Very nice that you're working on this issue. I read somewhere that Google had disabled the ability to mount a drive in the Jelly Beanie o.s.
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its not disabled in JB its just disabled in the N7 specifically but root will take care of that
Unless the N7 is different to other android devices I've seen, the musb port doesn't provide any power, without which it can't read the external media. That's why a powered usb hub is used, in which case a micro usb drive is moot.
Ipads actually push a bit of power through their dock port which is cool, but of.course what u can do with it is limited.
It would be a cool mod to open up an android device and patch power into the musb port. Maybe i'll try next tine i have one open for some reason.
forexamplejohn said:
Unless the N7 is different to other android devices I've seen, the musb port doesn't provide any power, without which it can't read the external media. That's why a powered usb hub is used, in which case a micro usb drive is moot.
Ipads actually push a bit of power through their dock port which is cool, but of.course what u can do with it is limited.
It would be a cool mod to open up an android device and patch power into the musb port. Maybe i'll try next tine i have one open for some reason.
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So you mean simply using a OTG adapter wont work?
forexamplejohn said:
Unless the N7 is different to other android devices I've seen, the musb port doesn't provide any power, without which it can't read the external media. That's why a powered usb hub is used, in which case a micro usb drive is moot.
Ipads actually push a bit of power through their dock port which is cool, but of.course what u can do with it is limited.
It would be a cool mod to open up an android device and patch power into the musb port. Maybe i'll try next tine i have one open for some reason.
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This is incorrect
I do not need a powered usb hub on either my Nexus 7 or my Galaxy Nexus. This OTG cable works fine for both devices: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
Also, you must be rooted and have stickmount: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.stickmount
Power is supplied to the micro usb port since it works and also, the usb flash drive lights up
Well in this case I am extremely happy to be incorrect then.
I've got a CM9 hp touchpad and a rooted ics razr maxx that i use otg with, but they only work with powered hubs.
While on the what works topic- mhl hdmi adapter?
cronikslacker said:
This is incorrect
I do not need a powered usb hub on either my Nexus 7 or my Galaxy Nexus. This OTG cable works fine for both devices:
Also, you must be rooted and have stickmount:
Power is supplied to the micro usb port since it works and also, the usb flash drive lights up
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Works fine on rooted N7
I rooted my Google I/O devices the day after the conference. Just on a whim, I plugged in my usb micro A to usb A port and plugged in a thumb drive. While it is true that the device will not automount the storage partitions, is certainly shows up in /dev/block/sda (device) and /dev/block/sda1 (first partition). I could run the mount command, "mount -t vfat /dev/block/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive" and it mounted just fine. Nothing to it really, I suppose it'd be easy to add something similar to this:
# USB storage device
dev_mount usbdisk /mnt/usbdisk auto /devices/platform/s3c_otghcd/usb
In the /etc/vold.fstab and make it automount.
That might not be the exact line but I guarantee the port supplies power and has the USB mass storage driver working just fine.
Just ordered this....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280871297265?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Oddly this a quarter of the price anybody else is selling these for.
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LonPete67 said:
Just ordered this....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280871297265?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Oddly this a quarter of the price anybody else is selling these for.
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That's the closest thing I've been able to find but its still quite bulky. I would be afraid of tweaking it and breaking the drive or worse the port itself. Hopefully we will see something like this soon with a micro-b end.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-32GB-Flash-Drive/dp/B00812F7O8/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_0
It would be great to see one with a triangle shaped housing to reduce the chance of snagging it on something. I could use one for my GNex as well. It would be a perfect solution for nexus owners... or Google could just put a microSD slot on their nexus devices... until then hopefully someone will decide to cash in on (IMO) the only flaw with nexus devices.
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LonPete67 said:
Just ordered this....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280871297265?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Oddly this a quarter of the price anybody else is selling these for.
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Close but I think what we are all looking for is something more like this: http://imgur.com/B8fBq
doctor3d said:
Close but I think what we are all looking for is something more like this: http://imgur.com/B8fBq
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Man that would be perfect. I've looked all over for that if some one finds a link to buy post it here.
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J-Force dual usb flash drive
doctor3d said:
Close but I think what we are all looking for is something more like this:
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Would be awesome if it somehow spread out closer to the tablet for support, to avoid breaking the port.
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bizarre that such an item is not on the market, simply idea, simple to make, they should be all over the place
Is this what you're looking for?
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SanDisk Class 10 MicroUSB Flash Drive 128GB OTG
Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
Catch22! said:
The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Working towards a price point goal causes these things to happen. How popular and it seems hack friendly may end up with an application or hardware hack to achieve external memory cards.
Then of course you have the whole cloud behind you. This is a point that Google is trying to push us with this device, use it for your day-to-day things and let us (google) store it all for you on our computers. I've been using cloud services for my Music and Videos for a number of months now, I would find it hard to return to just what I had on my own media after that convenience (for me, maybe not every but for me it's a boon).
Who knows, exciting times.
Putting a positive spin on it, for those using this as an EReader every gram of weight pared off makes long reading sessions better, not adding those 10-15 grams of interface will help there... ok, ok, it's a long stretch.
Purchased the 16GB version and after installing all my games (Max Payne, GTA, Nova3, etc) I still have about 8 GB left. No issues with storage here, especially since I use the cloud for all my music (Saves about 4 or so GB). Couldn't be happier with this device after owning a Transformer and GTab 2 7". Home run in my book.
I wish they sold 8gb at the store, I'd got 8gb version than 16gb version.
16 GB would be handy, but I realized I rarely use any space since everything I do is available to stream and where I don't have WiFi access either I tether to Galaxy Nexus or just use Galaxy Nexus...
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Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.
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Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.
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This.
While I agree that an external SD card would be useful, the lack of one is not the end of the world. 16GB should be more then enough space to hold movies/music/games for a long trip (even without Wi-Fi). Once you get to a place with Internet, you can replace your current content with more. And by using the OTG USB trick, you can still attach external sources of data. I wouldn't want to keep it plugged in for long periods of time personally, but you can delete/move/copy things back and forth to "reload" more content on your tablet.
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If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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They are already barely breaking even as it is selling a $199 quad core tablet. Adding anything more, and this price would not be possible. If there's a a better $200 tablet, please show it to me. Look at all those people that paid $200 for a Kindle, and what they got for the money.
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... Once you get to a place with Internet ...
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This is what it's coming down to. I am already always connected through WiFi hotspot in my phone while I'm in transit. At home and work I have WiFi. As a result I've move to the cloud. Pandora, Sony Music Unlimited (Which is fantastic) and my ISPs movie service, Google Movies and Sony Movies filling in my video needs.
I understand that everyone is not me and some people can't turn their phones into hotspots, or don't have the data allowance, but we are moving that way.
The device can do a card I would say, the original version before Google cut it down from $250 to $199 had the card, HDMI and rear camera and more memory. Despite that cut down the circuit board in the Nexus 7 is still labelled as a ME370T, check the iFixit to see.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/3
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This part is probably the difference, right side missing. Only left ear to the middle usb, seems it would need middle usb to the right card slot so the entire strip goes over the bottom of the tablet. The frame (grey part with the stamp 120504 in this picture) looks to have space and the mounting reinforcement for a card slot on the right bottom, the extra needed wires seem to be in the ribbon, logically it would seem that function would go to the same part of the MB as the USB... maybe.
I am so glad I got the 8gb instead of the 16gb. I dont need or want the storage and with USB on the go I *would* be set either way. I much prefer the low cost. The days of hoarding data (Movies, TV Shows, Music) is a thing of the past for me. Its kind of like thumb drives, I used to always carry one with me on my key chain and I realized a year ago that this practice was already outdated thanks to dropbox.
And what a relief too, I dont have to wonder if my music folders are all named correctly or if they all have the album art. Its all taken care of by netflix, pandora, picasa and google music.
Google posted the specs of this device long before we bought it. The told us what would be included and what would be excluded. Based on this list it seemed that this was a perfect device for me. Thats why I purchased one. I am glad I did. My Ipad2 can collect dust now.
Mine has been all loaded up since Tuesday and it is actually only 5GB +/- not 8. Still a home run for me.....
What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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Nothing yet apart from THAT email!
RBFesquire said:
What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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Nothing yet apart from THAT email!
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I agree...
After downloading most of my Zinio magazines, Kindle books, Nook books, several games and my Play store books and magazines, I still have over 11GB free. Do the Play purchases stay on your device or are they pulled from the "Cloud" when you want to access them?
Yes, a Micro-SD card slot would have been nice. Yes, 3G would have been nice also. But, unfortunately, Asus had to make a cuts as they are making this thing cheaply. It is, after all, a budget tablet and for that I think it is pretty impressive.
What's the obsession with being a data pack rat? Internal storage is meant as temporary storage to consume new media then replace with newer.I have the same amount of storage on my smartphone with a ton of dancing video recordings and have set to even use half.
As much as I would of liked a SD card, I never use the space on it. When I had my 16 ans 32gb iPhones I never filled more then 8gb, same with my skyrocket and galaxy note and a 32gb card I have inside. I think Google saved me money by not adding it since I would of bought a extra card just to do it.
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What if you could add more storage to any Android device with a tiny adapter?
A MicroSD to Micro USB adapter. This indiegogo project aims to receive funding for the creation of a tiny adapter -- the worlds first of it's kind so you no longer have to worry about running out of space for your favourite videos, music or photos. All we need is your support to help fund the creation of this adapter.
http://www.indiegogo.com/microsdtomicrousb
The adapter is so small it can happily sit with your keys as a keyring; store the whole of your favourite TV series, music collection and more in the palm of your hands.
Support the project and be the first to receive the adapter. If the project doesn't get funded, your receive a full refund, nothing to lose.
Lot of discussion at the Nexus 7 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764017
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Just a random thought - they should make it bendable, so the card could be behind the tabet and only a small portion would be below the frame.
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Just a random thought - they should make it bendable, so the card could be behind the tabet and only a small portion would be below the frame.
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Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
Contributed for $16.
This looks like it will be really great! Good luck!
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Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
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Call me crazy, but wouldn't one be able to do that with wired extension leads? I don't know a whole lot but it seems fairly simple to this 16 year old.
Will this work? I know it's not micro sd though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051D3KMG/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
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Great Idea, I just sent you guys another $32 plus $10 for shipping. I hope you get enough support to complete this project.
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Great Idea, I just sent you guys another $32 plus $10 for shipping. I hope you get enough support to complete this project.
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Thank you for the support, We are having a really unexpected positive feedback about the project, specially internationally. We are on the right track, we just need some more support and spread out the word as much as we can. :good:
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Will this work? I know it's not micro sd though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051D3KMG/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
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No, it won't. It isn't for micro usb port. It works only with Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Maturola said:
Thank you for the support, We are having a really unexpected positive feedback about the project, specially internationally. We are on the right track, we just need some more support and spread out the word as much as we can. :good:
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Yes, spread the word folks. I've tweeted, facebooked and google+'d the crap outta this and will continue to do so. I'm surprised you are only at the amount you are. It seems to me that this would be more popular.
Well I'll keep plugging this until every Android user i have contact with sees it.
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Yes, spread the word folks. I've tweeted, facebooked and google+'d the crap outta this and will continue to do so. I'm surprised you are only at the amount you are. It seems to me that this would be more popular.
Well I'll keep plugging this until every Android user i have contact with sees it.
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Thanks, make sure to use your "custom" link to share, we are tracking referral, and if we are funded, the person with more referral will get a Nexus 7 32GB (More details at the website if interested).
We have a very large amount of visitors, many are interested but are holding up. Maybe to see if the project is going to get closer to its goal, or maybe they just want to wait for a more complete, retail ready from. I hope they realized that without the initial push we can't get there. All i can do is support, answer questions and spread the word as much as I can.
We have the Nexus 10 on order already, so we will be testing as soon as we get it. We are also prototyping a Build in storage option (A.K.A Micro USB Flash drive). :good:
So I already planned to do this with a microsd card adapter and an OTG cable for about half the price. That way I can connect a few devices at once too... Any reason I should spring for this instead?
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So I already planned to do this with a microsd card adapter and an OTG cable for about half the price. That way I can connect a few devices at once too... Any reason I should spring for this instead?
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Hey Manaox,
Functional they are the same, depending on the quality of the OTG cable, speed should be the same (there are some cases reported that some really inexpensive OTG cables degrade the speed a bit), if you don't mind the size and having the "cable" hanging around, that is a perfect way to do it. that;s exactly what I did before I decide to design a better solution.
Personally, I hate that "tail" on my device, I rather have something smaller, that I can maybe have on my keyring or in a pocket on my case and i can easily plug and play. But there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable + MicroSD-USB adapter (or Flash drive).
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No, it won't. It isn't for micro usb port. It works only with Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Shouldn't have tried to see that on my phone, thought it was micro usb.
Maturola said:
Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
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What you really need to work on, besides keeping the size down, is some sort of clamp mechanism, as a strain-relief for the actual USB port (especially the pathetic shallow and sloppy port on the N7). Without that strain relief, expect to see a LOT of complaints about breaking the USB port.
Might also want to consider an "L" shape that runs along the edge rather than straight out. It'll be a bit trickier to manufacture but would make it far less prone to "snapping off" and it'll be less clunky looking if it doesn't protrude out as far.
Finally, if you're making it device specific for the N7, a ribbon cable (or hard cable) that does a 180 to the back would be ideal. The actual reader portion could mount in the middle of the speaker/Asus logo area. A few was to make this mounting work, from velcro to double-sided tape to semi-permanent plates mounted to the back with a clip or magnet, etc.
Actually, the more I think about it, a rigid cable sheath in the shape of a "C" would be ideal, if it was a tight fit (almost a clip) to the chassis. A lot of the torque that would be applied to the USB port would be absorbed/prevented by the reader portion resting snugly on the back.
Croak said:
What you really need to work on, besides keeping the size down,
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There is a lot that need to be worked if you want a quality product. Durability, packaging, signal integrity manufacturability.. many more
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Finally, if you're making it device specific for the N7...
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We don;t want to make a Nexus 7 specific, we want to make it so it will work with as many android devices as possible, with or without a case (which doesn't allow to make flush to the edge)
I made myself one, much cheaper and easier, cost me about £3 total and 10 minutes to solder up.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33978463
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alias_neo said:
I made myself one, much cheaper and easier, cost me about £3 total and 10 minutes to solder up.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33978463
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Sweet! Looks easy!
great idea but here is something that will probably work fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1MR0ES0806
for $10 its worth a test
Leoisright said:
great idea but here is something that will probably work fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1MR0ES0806
for $10 its worth a test
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That will not fit on your Nexus 10, that is NOT a micro USB device...
EDIT: I stand corrected, I can see the MicroUSB on the side, besides the size, it should do the job. for that size of device I would much rather use a OTG cable, but it comes down to preferences
Hi all!
Can anyone tell me if there is there such as thing like a Plex server but for documents? Where I can view my PDFs, word docs, sheets etc from anywhere?
I want to keep my files locally I don't want to upload anything to the cloud. I would like it to set it up just like plex. I want to be able to organize in a similar way, and to be able to view them on click.
TY!
Not sure if that actually applies to your needs, could be overkill, but how about Next Cloud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextcloud
https://alternativeto.net/software/nextcloud/about/
Most people probably use a provider for it but you could also run it yourself. If you want to try it beforehand, tab.digital offers accounts with 8GB for free:
https://tab.digital/
Even though I'd like to set it up myself in the long run and keep files locally only, just like you said, DIY comes with two nagging disadvantages:
1. You need to keep a server running (with permanent connection to the outside world)
2. You and only you are responsible for setting it up and keeping it up to date.
Hey Sigmund! TY so much for answering
I am going to give this a go. I did see a post on reddit and someone also mentioning NextCloud.
I was hoping for something for like an installer and done but I will give it a go. Well, let me try it first on tab.digital
Big thanks really! Much appreciated
Ken
Do you want to use documents inside a local network or over the internet ?
karandpr said:
Do you want to use documents inside a local network or over the internet ?
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Hey!
Both
If something like Plex existed for docs, that would be awesome
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installer
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Well, yes, of course:
https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients
However, this would be just a client and as such you still need a server, either your own or an "official" one like from tabdigital
Speaking of tabdigital, there are other providers with free plans:
https://nextcloud.com/sign-up/
Due to the addictive nature of next cloud, I don't think it matters much for the beginning where you get started (for me, greedy as I am, the 8GB was way too intriguing) - in the end you end up with more
Perhaps something else like OwnCloud could work for you as well but I cannot say much about it (it lost out in my personal shoot out, don't remember exactly why but I think it was something regarding open source).
Here be even more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_synchronization_software
For simple mirroring syncthing might be good enough (for example to keep shadow copies of your files on your router's USB-stick):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncthing
(since you mentioned plex, I guess that wouldn't be good enough for you)
PS: Oh, and let us know how you like it!
Edit: Oi! Forgot one thing - as for "office" like word etc, it can get kinda complicated because often it's only available in paid accounts.
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Both
If something like Plex existed for docs, that would be awesome
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You can get a cloud host like digital ocean / linode /ovh and setup a basic FTP server. (it's 5-6$ a month for 40GB )
Then use something like Fx Explorer or file explorer to download and upload files.
Or Just get a pair of external hard drives.
They work with far fewer hassles and are much more robust.
As long as you maintain them regularly.
Thank you both for your replies.
Seems the closest I will find is NextCloud: I played around with it for a bit and it seems that it could do the trick in the end
@KenPino Welcome
karandpr said:
it's 5-6$ a month for 40GB
Or Just get a pair of external hard drives.
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Hmm, I have currently 80GB for about 60€/a (5€/month) for Next Cloud.
Pro: I don't have to take care of it myself
Contra: It does only Next Cloud.
Alternative: Own little server at home... Since you mentioned external drives, may I ask if and how you would do it? Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Hmm, I have currently 80GB for about 60€/a (5€/month) for Next Cloud.
Pro: I don't have to take care of it myself
Contra: It does only Next Cloud.
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The problem is data centers are either very easy to maintain or very hard. Suddenly you can have a data center being sold off to big vendor or just shutting down.
Sometimes countries create laws that make running a data center a hassle. And they would rather bailout than maintain.
IMO , if you have data > 20 GB, then local backups are the safest way to go.
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Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Alternative: Own little server at home... Since you mentioned external drives, may I ask if and how you would do it? Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Memes apart. Storage is cheap.
SD cards, USB drives. and few external drives.
The important stuff is backed up on 2+ storage options.
SD cards can be used on phones and PC.
Got 2x 256 GB USB drives which act as storage bridge docs and media.
For 2TB+ external drives, I have a cable but I usually use the USB OTG as a medium of transfer. I would not like my phone's USB slot to be fried.
Most PCs are equipped with office suites but I have LibreOffice portable inside the drive for editing.
Oh, and I have one USB drive which is also a portable Linux drive (Linux mint) so I have an operating system for x86 machines.
Phones & Tabs should have a doc reader/office suite and stuff like that,
Cloud and network solutions are good IF you have or travel in places with good connectivity.
Portable storage is convenient for everything else. And you retain ownership of files.
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Memes apart. Storage is cheap.
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Cloud and network solutions are good IF you have or travel in places with good connectivity.
Portable storage is convenient for everything else. And you retain ownership of files.
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Oh, I see. Got it wrong there:
(indeed, memes are fun!)
I thought you meant having such network services like nextcloud running on external drives but you meant backups in general.
Yeah, I am covered: Syncthing puts stuff to my computer when charging (mostly fotos), Vorta puts this and other things (like ~) elsewhere. And finally I put those once a month on an external SSD (but SATA not USB).
If something needs to go back to the phone than it goes via a USB-OTG or syncthing.
Quite frankly, I despised online storage for the longest time but it does have it merits sometimes, and NextCloud seemed to be the best choice.
Next step, my own server at my own home... just need to figure out something cheap, efficient but powerful enough. Neither router nor raspberry would be good enough, so probably some ITX with AM4, should be possible to stay within 15-25W.
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Oh, I see. Got it wrong there:
(indeed, memes are fun!)
I thought you meant having such network services like nextcloud running on external drives but you meant backups in general.
Yeah, I am covered: Syncthing puts stuff to my computer when charging (mostly fotos), Vorta puts this and other things (like ~) elsewhere. And finally I put those once a month on an external SSD (but SATA not USB).
If something needs to go back to the phone than it goes via a USB-OTG or syncthing.
Quite frankly, I despised online storage for the longest time but it does have it merits sometimes, and NextCloud seemed to be the best choice.
Next step, my own server at my own home... just need to figure out something cheap, efficient but powerful enough. Neither router nor raspberry would be good enough, so probably some ITX with AM4, should be possible to stay within 15-25W.
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I have toyed with creating a portable system with Raspberry Pi or an old android phone. But the battery is the issue in both cases.
File servers don't take much space or resources. A raspi should be able to service at the very least 100 concurrent users.
I have an old laptop which I will be tinkering around to see if it works as some sort of backup device.
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old laptop
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Dang! That's a good idea, except for lacking big drives...
https://www.instructables.com/Using-a-full-sized-HDD-in-a-Laptop/
OK, this is maybe not a good idea but I was pretty surprised to find someone actually doing it.
Still, I really like the laptop idea! Convenient, easy and with builtin screen! Gotta check for any small laptops with passive cooling and 2.5" drive.
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Dang! That's a good idea, except for lacking big drives...
https://www.instructables.com/Using-a-full-sized-HDD-in-a-Laptop/
OK, this is maybe not a good idea but I was pretty surprised to find someone actually doing it.
Still, I really like the laptop idea! Convenient, easy and with builtin screen! Gotta check for any small laptops with passive cooling and 2.5" drive.
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You can get laptop or desktop caddies.
I had a system like this(or worse.), a PATA caddy + power unit.
Man this makes want to hack around right now