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Firm(er) release date, 10-6 (!?)

As much as I hate to spread about another speculative release date avega1027 said on page 11 of another thread:
"Well for the people that are waiting for the release it looks like it would be comming out 10-06-07, per http://mobilitytoday.com/news/att_re...es_change.html "
and FTA: "Our sources are telling us that some new Windows Mobile devices are on their way! Just got a new update this morning, the AT&T 8925 aka Tilt is has passed certification and it being released on October 5.
Also Blackjack WM6 will be ready on the 1st of Oct.
Motorola Q9 is now slated for launch 11/15 but we think this will be changing soon. Blackjack 2 is slated for an 11/12 release.."
Supposedly, mobility today's David Ciccone is usually a pretty credible source so maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel at last! Since it was so far down on another thread I figured i'd give it some attention. Thanks avega1027!
Who knows if it's right, but I'm excited to hear something from someone with sources rather than hearsay from an AT&T employee.

I have already given up on all these dates. I will just wait and not get excited about any more rumor dates.

Yeah, I agree... I'm getting really frustrated not to have any iron-clad word on it. But, since this was the first decent lead I've seen in quite a while I figured it's noteworthy.

already a thread for this and wasting space....

Froyo for Milestone OFFICIALLY HAS A GO!

We're pleased to announce that Milestone will receive a free upgrade to Android 2.2
(FroYo) in Europe with an initial roll-out
beginning at the end of this year. For
other software updates please check our software update site:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
Source: http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope

LOL....end of 2010?...silly....
ginggerbread 2.3 phone is everywhere at that time..lol

I can be wrong but beginning of the end of the year means Q4 (quater 4, the last three months of the year), that would be the beginning of October, wouldn't it? . But it doesn't matter now. Motorola doesn't care about the European market and they think they can mock us. Let them think that way. They probably do not give damn about 100 people not buying their phones now, but if the number of customers steadily goes down they will be like "OMFG WHY THEY ARE NOT BUYING OUR GREAT PRODUCTS??!?!?!". I think Milestone was the only GOOD phone ever released by Motorola, but after that signed bootloader and this delayed 2.2 release I'm saying "No, thanks" and I'm going to get something from HTC or muster up some money and buy Nexus One now.

Please discuss in existing thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730882&page=4

Any update on froyo from b&n?

The rumor was end of January. Has anyone heard a new timeframe?
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Im not sure where everyone is getting the January Time line from, I remember Originally seeing the time frame as being set at "near the end of Q1" which would mean late March or early April. I don't recall any official source saying January.

Granted this is still not official, but the nice lady at the nook kiosk in B&N told me June when I asked her. She also told me it was capable of playing 450p video but not 780P haha.

therealguppy said:
Im not sure where everyone is getting the January Time line from, I remember Originally seeing the time frame as being set at "near the end of Q1" which would mean late March or early April. I don't recall any official source saying January.
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If you search Engaget for "Nook Color" you will find an article saying the 2.2 update w/ B&N market was due out in January. This story ran mid December and was also reported by numerous other tech related sites. I started a thread a few days ago asking the same question but got no solid answers on the time frame for release.

And if you do a little more searching, you'll find out the original article has been thoroughly debunked and everybody else "monkey-posted" from the original incorrect source.
Q1 2011 is all B&N has ever indicated.

Searching this forum for "froyo" would have turned up this thread from less than a week ago.
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Good things coming to Bionic Owners?

From Droid-LIfe the VP of Product at Motorola (recently moved over from Google) recently made some statements that they know we got screwed. Here is the excerpt.
Punit Soni has only been the VP of Product at Motorola for a few weeks and already has taken to Google+ to interact personally with current customers to try to fix some of the company’s past mistakes. One of the topics he is actively involved in includes the DROID Bionic and the fact that it still has not received its Ice Cream Sandwich update. As you all know, Motorola previously promised to the world that the update would be here in “early Q3,” however, we are now days away from the end of Q3 and the update is no where in sight.
Soni admits that Bionic owners have “gotten a raw deal” thus far and that a new plan is being formed, but also wants it to be clear that with the new Motorola team at the top, they are doing everything they can to eliminate situations like this from ever happening:
"We have a plan for Bionic. I am currently solidifying things to ensure we can publish it, commit and follow up. I think you guys have gotten a raw deal and we could do way better. But you are one of the top few things I worry about when I look at Upgrades."
The Google+ thread of his that we have linked below continues on for quite some time and is filled with Soni’s responses to all sorts of customers. One comment of his that stood out was the thought that his team now knows to “take your complaints seriously” and that in the future, they will be transparent and stand next to upgrade timelines:
" Again..I totally understand how you feel. And this should never happen. I am not going to throw out the argument “we just got here”. We are taking responsibility for this. And we will engage with you, listen carefully to your concerns and most importantly, try to FIX things.
So we are doing that. My team knows to take your complaints seriously, we are working hard to update the Upgrades timeline pages to reflect the right data, and then we WILL stand next to those timings and will meet them. As far as what is in our control, we will be transparent and we will commit to your happiness."
Link to the Droid-Life article, mods if I'm not allowed to link other sites let me know I apologize if so.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/2...raw-deal-new-motorola-will-try-to-fix-things/

Yea, I saw this. To really make up for it. Just skip ICS and surprise us with Jelly Bean. I would love Motorola forever if they did that.

PuttsMoBilesiCit said:
Yea, I saw this. To really make up for it. Just skip ICS and surprise us with Jelly Bean. I would love Motorola forever if they did that.
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Well, making it right would probably be one of two things: either some type of subsidy toward the purchase of a new device, or Jelly Bean. Either way, it's better than nothing!
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At this stage, a subsidy for a new phone would be what I want. Over a year and no ICS OTA. Time to get better hardware running JB, than wait for Verizon to maybe send it out.

I can't make up my mind if I would rather want an update to JB or having our bootloader officially unlocked as a form of compensation.

this whole ics thing on the bionic bums me out. I love the phone, bought ALL the accessories like lapdock, hd dock, standard doc and every case you can imagine, then this! Moto, there is still time to prevent us from being thrown under the bus. you know what to do, NOW DO IT!

How much of the no ICS is Motorola and how much is Verizon? I'd bet Verizon has a big hand it. They want you to buy a new phone and a new 2 yr contract. Motorola gets paid no matter what and will keep developing phones.

All I have to say is that it better be Jelly Bean. A credit of $100? Big deal, that $100 is a credit towards a different Motorola. I don't want another Motorola again after this experience. Next will be either a Samsung or HTC.

Fyi apparently Bionic owners won't get the credit of $100.
http://easternmorningherald.com/motorola-droid-bionic-ics-update-delays-cause-frustration/1219910/
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Well despite the delays I still love my Bionic, even if ICS is not yet officially available. Regardless the lack of a $100 rebate is not the end of the world for me. I'll probably get a Samsung when the time to upgrade comes along. Oh well..

I think it is soon time to leave Motorola for a while. Maybe I will return in the future

Get Razor HD MAXX Dev

When will that be out early 2013?

jpeckinp said:
How much of the no ICS is Motorola and how much is Verizon? I'd bet Verizon has a big hand it. They want you to buy a new phone and a new 2 yr contract. Motorola gets paid no matter what and will keep developing phones.
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Not to mention that VZW is trying very hard to get people to dump there unlimited data plans. If they have one and are on the Bionic with JB and the 1.2Ghz bump why would they need to upgrade?

mikemikemikexxx said:
Fyi apparently Bionic owners won't get the credit of $100.
http://easternmorningherald.com/motorola-droid-bionic-ics-update-delays-cause-frustration/1219910/
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Is that because the Bionic is "supposed to" receive ICS "at some point"??? or for some other reason? (the article doesn't clearly explain)

KidJoe said:
Is that because the Bionic is "supposed to" receive ICS "at some point"??? or for some other reason? (the article doesn't clearly explain)
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The dude said that you would get the $100 if you don't receive Jelly Bean...so I suppose that means we get both?

You obviously did not read my post on page 1 and as of an hour ago we are 100% getting ics. I got a soak test email
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mikemikemikexxx said:
You obviously did not read my post on page 1 and as of an hour ago we are 100% getting ics. I got a soak test email
Sent from my DROID BIONIC using xda app-developers app
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I got invite for soak too! cool!

soak test emails
KidJoe said:
I got invite for soak too! cool!
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I'm new to putting root and custom rom on a phone but I was curious as how one Is able to receive those emails for soak tests.

You need to be a member of the motorola owners forum and sign up for their feedback network.
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No Lollipop for Turbo?

I've been a long time reader of this forum, since blackberry pearl was the newest hottest phone, but until now have yet to register. I got my turbo a week after release, and i love it...i read all these articles who's getting lollipop and when....If motorola is updating all their old phones from 2012, and us with their flagship phone have yet to get it, and there releasing phones this month with 5.0 on them to INDIA of all places, guys Turbo prolly isnt going to see it for awhile if ever...This phone IMO was like verizons ellipsis tablet, released with one update and no further information lol yeah we all want a bug free OS, but to do a 3 year old phone and not your flagship phone?
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NMichael114 said:
I've been a long time reader of this forum, since blackberry pearl was the newest hottest phone, but until now have yet to register. I got my turbo a week after release, and i love it...i read all these articles who's getting lollipop and when....If motorola is updating all their old phones from 2012, and us with their flagship phone have yet to get it, and there releasing phones this month with 5.0 on them to INDIA of all places, guys Turbo prolly isnt going to see it for awhile if ever...This phone IMO was like verizons ellipsis tablet, released with one update and no further information lol yeah we all want a bug free OS, but to do a 3 year old phone and not your flagship phone?
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What the hell do u mean, INDIA of all places? O.O
Motorola gets a really good share of profits only cuz of its sales of Moto G and Moto E in India! And please oh please... I hope u are not being racist!
And there are so many threads discussing this man.. If u said you actually having been reading XDA regularly u would have known better not to clutter the General Forum... What can people at XDA do about this? How can posting here help? Only Motorola can help, contact their customer care or through social media for your answer!!

NMichael114 said:
I've been a long time reader of this forum, since blackberry pearl was the newest hottest phone, but until now have yet to register. I got my turbo a week after release, and i love it...i read all these articles who's getting lollipop and when....If motorola is updating all their old phones from 2012, and us with their flagship phone have yet to get it, and there releasing phones this month with 5.0 on them to INDIA of all places, guys Turbo prolly isnt going to see it for awhile if ever...This phone IMO was like verizons ellipsis tablet, released with one update and no further information lol yeah we all want a bug free OS, but to do a 3 year old phone and not your flagship phone?
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These threads are tiring.
In that VoLTE is natively supported in 5.1, did you not consider that may be why there was a hold up, because Verizon wanted that?
I'll bet you 1,000.00 dollars we get Lollipop. Are you game? Post your paypal if so. I could use the money from an easily won bet
Edit: And yeah, that India comment was misplaced.

Yeah looks like its confirmed that the 5.1 HD Voice does mean it works with Verzion VoLTE (I wasn't sure based on the screenshot they had). Seems very possible when Motorola learned about this they held off on their 5.01 or whatever with HD Voice added in to just release the version with the code in it already. Which is a good thing. Because had they released 5.0.1 or whatever a couple of weeks ago, you would have people whining for 5.1. Hopefully this means it will hit the Turbo in a short time.

I made a post about the Nexus 6 coming to Verizon with 5.1 already on it and suggested that the DT might be jumping straight to 5.1 around the time the Nexus 6 drops on Verizon. My hit or miss post doesn't seem so irrelevant now. lol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3041938

GreaterLesser said:
I made a post about the Nexus 6 coming to Verizon with 5.1 already on it and suggested that the DT might be jumping straight to 5.1 around the time the Nexus 6 drops on Verizon. My hit or miss post doesn't seem so irrelevant now. lol
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Indeed.

Congrats on your first post FAIL. How could you think the turbo wouldn't get another update that's ludicrous.
sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080

bigv5150 said:
Congrats on your first post FAIL. How could you think the turbo wouldn't get another update that's ludicrous.
sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
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Agreed. The phone is still fairly new and considered a current flagship phone for Motorola (Next to the Nexus 6 but that's Google's baby as well so I don't think it can count as Motorola's flagship entirely). Getting back to my point, saying that a flagship phone is not going to get an update to "the latest and greatest in android" is just asking for someone to talk badly about you and even more so a cry for attention. Which is something we don't need.

What I mean by India is a third world country of all places before here where it launched. I hope I am wrong but like my tablet I went into Verizon was was talked to by a salesman to go with this newest device it's a flagship device so I did and the updates are where? I left the Galaxy line with no issues great reception speedy updates... My tablet was the same thing a verizon exclusive updated once and forgotten.
What I'm saying is why update stuff that's old when after two years most people upgrade? My flagship store, I'm there daily to make sure it's running good, clean and people want to come back the old store has a customer base like the old phones they update them when it's time to update them things.

NMichael114 said:
What I mean by India is a third world country of all places before here where it launched. I hope I am wrong but like my tablet I went into Verizon was was talked to by a salesman to go with this newest device it's a flagship device so I did and the updates are where? I left the Galaxy line with no issues great reception speedy updates... My tablet was the same thing a verizon exclusive updated once and forgotten.
What I'm saying is why update stuff that's old when after two years most people upgrade? My flagship store, I'm there daily to make sure it's running good, clean and people want to come back the old store has a customer base like the old phones they update them when it's time to update them things.
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Don't worry about it. It's just kinda tense here sometimes, and we're all kinda surly and curmudgeonly because we seem to be kept in the dark regarding just about everything related to this device. Everyone has or had certain expectations from it and the support that we were expecting by Motorola and/or Verizon, and it's nowhere near as exciting as we'd hoped.

NMichael114 said:
What I mean by India is a third world country of all places... .
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I am not sure what your concept of India is, but its a highly developing country... most of the worlds best mathematicians, physicists, etc are indian. Its not like the genies and gypsies you read about in Disney books
Edit: Some* not most

diabl0w said:
I am not sure what your concept of India is, but its a highly developing country... most of the worlds best mathematicians, physicists, etc are indian. Its not like the genies and gypsies you read about in Disney books
Edit: Some* not most
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Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. I was offended by the "third world country" comment and I'm an Italian American! ?
Not much of an apology...

Anyway I gave up wanting lollipop I am hoping Verizon and Motorola scrap the droid and unlock the bootloader

NMichael114 said:
What I mean by India is a third world country of all places before here where it launched. I hope I am wrong but like my tablet I went into Verizon was was talked to by a salesman to go with this newest device it's a flagship device so I did and the updates are where? I left the Galaxy line with no issues great reception speedy updates... My tablet was the same thing a verizon exclusive updated once and forgotten.
What I'm saying is why update stuff that's old when after two years most people upgrade? My flagship store, I'm there daily to make sure it's running good, clean and people want to come back the old store has a customer base like the old phones they update them when it's time to update them things.
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Seriously!?! INDIA is one of the powerful economies right now...!! Third world country? Seriously? Watch your words man... I am not saying this just cus I am an INDIAN n I m proud of it, but just being born in a country doesn't give you the rights to think less of other places.... Country's and states are just imaginary lines that MAN drew on a piece of paper... We are all born equal, nothing gives u the right to enjoy something more n for someone else to do less, just cus they are born somewhere else... OK to make things clear, giving examples from the tech world itself...
1) Sundar Pichai, is an Indian businessman and a Senior Vice President at Google, where he oversees Android, Chrome, and Google Apps.
2) Punit Soni- the Guy who's Google Plus account people used to Flood asking for Motorola Updates? VP at Motorola.
3)One in every 3 Apple engineers is Indian
4)36% of scientists at NASA are Indians
U can google any of that to check for its credibility... I just wanted to prove India or Indians are no less... Please broaden ur mindset!

Gundabolu SC said:
Seriously!?! INDIA is one of the powerful economies right now...!! Third world country? Seriously? Watch your words man... I am not saying this just cus I am an INDIAN n I m proud of it, but just being born in a country doesn't give you the rights to think less of other places.... Country's and states are just imaginary lines that MAN drew on a piece of paper... We are all born equal, nothing gives u the right to enjoy something more n for someone else to do less, just cus they are born somewhere else... OK to make things clear, giving examples from the tech world itself...
1) Sundar Pichai, is an Indian businessman and a Senior Vice President at Google, where he oversees Android, Chrome, and Google Apps.
2) Punit Soni- the Guy who's Google Plus account people used to Flood asking for Motorola Updates? VP at Motorola.
3)One in every 3 Apple engineers is Indian
4)36% of scientists at NASA are Indians
U can google any of that to check for its credibility... I just wanted to prove India or Indians are no less... Please broaden ur mindset!
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Are you saying you are better than someone else. Those are some pretty bold brags about your superiority as a race?

johnbravado said:
Are you saying you are better than someone else. Those are some pretty bold brags about your superiority as a race?
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I did not get that hint at all from his post, John.

johnbravado said:
Are you saying you are better than someone else. Those are some pretty bold brags about your superiority as a race?
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If you had actually read n comprehend what I wrote you'd have a different opinion.

johnbravado said:
Are you saying you are better than someone else. Those are some pretty bold brags about your superiority as a race?
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I take things wrong all the time, and I too did not get that from his reply.
I'd say he said we are all on equal footing. Though I might question some Indian coding I've seen

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If you had actually read n comprehend what I wrote you'd have a different opinion.
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So now I am ignorant compared to your vast Indian intellect? I can't read or comprehend english?

It's obvious we will get lollipop and now that 5.1 was released looks like that's what Motorola was waiting for and or the nexus 6 coming soon to vzw. Patience is a virtue and now that we have about 5 months now without lollipop then let's keep waiting. Better having a less bugs version than getting a rushed update of 5.0.1 or 5.0.2