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[Discussion] Waterproof PVC case for the HD2

I'm on holiday at the seaside, with my (at times utterly annoying) girlfriend, and when I get to escape for a couple hours of snorkeling around the coast I miss the opportunity to record videos, and maybe a GPS track of my swimming path, other than obviously having the possibility to make and receive calls, which can be a very useful thing while being alone in the aquatic wilderness.
Anyway, I tried the banal search for "waterproof hd2" on google, and the best I came up with is a "Dry Case" container, no more than a PVC bag with a waterproof sealing, and complimentary waterproof stereo jack and a nice vacuum pump plug to make the device stay put inside the case. Cost, 40USD for two sheets of plastic and some more components of plastic yet. Since there are apparently no waterproof tight "hard cases" (and otrageously expensive at that) like the ones they make for some portable compact cameras, I thought I might as well search for supercheap chinese alternatives on ebay, and there are several alternatives of which this one looks best (or least bad) to me. None of them have a waterproof stereo jack plug (but who's going to listen to music underwater anyway, let alone talk at the phone in the same condition), nor the vacuum pump plug, which instead is a very useful addition in my opinion (yet on the other side, the PVC sheet has more strain by being repeatedly sucked against the device surface and adapting to its borders).
I know the usual reasonable arguments like "why entrusting your multihundred euros device to a couple dollars case", but after all it was HTC itself the first to sell a phone which shipped at 630euro here in italy on the release date (sums up to ~800USD), WITHOUT any lanyard hook, and I am efficiently entrusting the freefall safety of this phone to a virtually zero cost hack with a normal lanyard and some adhesive tape under the metal cover (it saved me from at least 2 falls, both at elbow -thus deadly- height).
I am going to buy such a case anyway, since a couple of euros are not going to kill my finances, and will obviously test it with a nokia 3310 first to make sure, and then with a cheap digital camera, yet I'd like to have your opinions or experiences on this matter, before I can produce them myself, as it will take at least a month before I get my case shipped from China, and maybe a year before I can actually test it in a proper seaside vacation, since this one will be over in a week, and I won't be going elsewhere sea-ish before 2011.

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The waterproof case came in today, more than 3 weeks later, but I got lucky as the standard shipping time from china to italy is 1 month.
Bottom line: TOO TIGHT!
I cannot even fit in the HD2, I pushed it as I could through the first sealing closure, but when it got to the second sealing closure it stopped, and I fear to either tear the plastic, or excercise too much strngth and have the HD2 be bulleted far away blowing to pieces.
Curious, as the description says it's 15x9cm, while even including the sealed borders, the width of the thing is 8cm.
I thought that the phone in there would have been to instable, on the contrary! Bah. Let's see in the seller will give me a refund or something, I couldn't even fit my Coolpix S52 in there.
EDIT: won by the curiosity, I pushed away, and the HD2 finally fitted inside. If it wasn't a 2 minutes long procedure each way, the tight fit would be a pro. Anyway, the transparent window thought for the camera lens is too low and partially covers the objective, so only half of the viewport is actually visible, being the other half dark. Overall, still useless, and I somewhat scratched the screen protector while forcing the way out.

Wait... How will you use your phone underwater?

Wdave said:
Wait... How will you use your phone underwater?
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the touch screen works perfectly even with the plastic on it.
The phone underwater? Isn't it cool to track your swimming path with GPS, record videos and take pictures, and be able to make emergency calls should it be needed? And tons of other stuff, too.

I'd be surprised if you get a gps fix with even a thin layer of salt water above your telephone.

you cant get GPS signal inside water, I watched a YouTube video on a waterproof Garmin device when it was put in the water, it lost all GPS satellites

hello ,
i have a otterbox 1900 , it s full waterproof and Shockproof .
i sell it with VTT support : http://htc-touch-hd.forumactif.biz/...tt-moto-otterbox-etanche-resistant-t27426.htm
the normal price for it is 120 euros , i sell it for 60 without shipping .
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Lindenia said:
I'd be surprised if you get a gps fix with even a thin layer of salt water above your telephone.
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azlan96 said:
you cant get GPS signal inside water, I watched a YouTube video on a waterproof Garmin device when it was put in the water, it lost all GPS satellites
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this changes things, as GPS was one of the main reasons to bring the phone with me while at sea. I mean, not the only one, as recording underwater videos still rocks, and GSM signal should be available underwater too (I don't do scuba, just your ordinary 4-5m occasional dives while holding my breath). Anyway, I'd be snorkeling on top on the water most of the time.
Anyway, I'll look into it more.
voileuxcool said:
hello ,
i have a otterbox 1900 , it s full waterproof and Shockproof .
i sell it with VTT support : http://htc-touch-hd.forumactif.biz/...tt-moto-otterbox-etanche-resistant-t27426.htm
the normal price for it is 120 euros , i sell it for 60 without shipping .
mail : [email protected]
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that's an interesting price indeed, even if I wouldn't be able to quite use the phone at its best with that. I am not the extreme bike-hike kind of guy, so the phone wouldn't be really in the risk of being dropped, I just would like to be able to use GSM, GPS (ok maybe not that one in light of what it's bene said here) and especially camera while underwater. Portability is not a big issue and the bulky size of the otterbox is not the matter, but I am not too sure otterbox can work up to 10mt underwater, rather than being just "splashes or 10cm waterproof", and what's more important, the back is not transparent so I woudln't be able to record videos
Would it have been otherwise, you would have found a potential buyer

With a huge delay of about 42 days, the last one of the waterproof cases I ordered arrived, it's the last one linked from the first post, and it finally keep its promises regarding the sizes, it's indeed very large, and the transparent rear window is perfect to have the HD2 record the video; you can use the phone with a protective film and the waterproof case on it, just make sure the case plastic is well adhered on the proximity sensor or it will trigger it (I have S2U2 set to turn off display on proximity active).
I will be testing the case at home leaving it underwater for some time, and after that I will probably publish a review on my website

Interested
I, too, am pursuing a similar case primarily for canoeing. I own the Otterbox Defender case which serves its purpose very well but is not waterproof. Currently, I have to move it in and out of my larger dry bag when I want to use it. I found the otterbox 1900 for $25, but it will not allow me to shoot video without removing the case. You are not the only one out there looking for a solution. I look forward to reading your results.

Thanks for stirring up this surprisingly lazy thread, I would imagine shooting videos underwater or carelessly at the seaside would be of more interest to a lot of people
Anyway I tested the second case, and DAM, water came inside
This is my test setup:
put a piece of toilet paper inside the pouch
close the pouch seals
fill a bucket with water
station the case at the bottom of the bucket with a weight on it to keep it down
wait at least 24hrs, the more the better
take out the case and check the toilet paper for moisture
The very first case stayed succesfully underwater for 3 days and no water whatsoeger came in (but it was too small for the hd2 anyway, so doesn't matter), while I decided to test the second one in harder conditions: closed the seals without folding them in and close the velcro... water almost filled the case. I was disappointed, this shouldn't have happened as the velcro is there just for conveniency and has no sealing capabilities; so I tested again, more careful to close the seals (which are somewhat harder to fit than in the first case) and then closed the velcro... stayed under for alittle more than a day, but a few drops of water came in... contacted the seller, got a refund. I bought another identical case with the promise that they will check it before shipping, chinese sellers are the best

Solution
I look forward to hearing the solution if a suitable one is found. Good luck.

I'd love a good case for canoeing as well. let us know if you find anything, and thanks for sharing so far!

I have the second case STILL on the way, anyway I checked better the first one, and it actually works :-|
I apparently asked for a refund on a working item... anyway it IS hard to make working, as the sealing lines must be thoroughly pressed and you've got to make sure there is nothing left open especially on the extremities. A simple way to check if you closed it well is to leave it slightly bulgind with air inside, and try to squeeze it, if you cannot hear air flowing out it's fine to go. In fact, after checking no air cameout, I sent it under the bucket for another test run for 2-3 days, and no water came in.
I suppose the most delicate moment is when you take the phone OUT of the case, as the water drops still hanging around the rims may wet it.
If me and my gf last long enough for me to go at hers at the beautiful seaside of southern Italy, I should be testing it snorkeling this next summer

i use some general transparent plastic bag. it does its job very well, put the hd2 in, tie the plastic up, and ready to go!!
one thing
-the touch screen don't work underwater
-there is no signal underwater
-water is very good cooler, the batt cover get cool as soon as you use the hd2 underwater

a13x4nd3r said:
i use some general transparent plastic bag. it does its job very well, put the hd2 in, tie the plastic up, and ready to go!!
one thing
-the touch screen don't work underwater
-there is no signal underwater
-water is very good cooler, the batt cover get cool as soon as you use the hd2 underwater
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heh's that's surely bold of you
I mean, that works as long as the plastic bag has no holes, I just would be scared of it being teared apart on the rocks or random garbage floating around when you're snorkeling.
Regarding the touch screen, I never tried it myself, yet the screen does work when inside the thik waterproof case I bought, and in several occasions I got to using the touchscreen with very wet fingers, effectively activating it with a thin layer of water under my skin, so well, if actually the touchscreen doesn't work underwater, that's going to be a huge problem as I need that mostly to shoot videos

ephestione said:
heh's that's surely bold of you
I mean, that works as long as the plastic bag has no holes, I just would be scared of it being teared apart on the rocks or random garbage floating around when you're snorkeling.
Regarding the touch screen, I never tried it myself, yet the screen does work when inside the thik waterproof case I bought, and in several occasions I got to using the touchscreen with very wet fingers, effectively activating it with a thin layer of water under my skin, so well, if actually the touchscreen doesn't work underwater, that's going to be a huge problem as I need that mostly to shoot videos
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just be brave and optimistic, if you are to scared you can just double or triple the plastic bag, as the plastic bag is transparent.
i havent been to beach since i have my hd2, i just try it at bathub in my home, the touch screen don't work at all, so if you want to stop recording you have to pull the phone up and press the stop button

thanks alexander, your input has been dramatically useful, really.
It's so obvious that I never actually thought of it, it's the cheapest of the solutions ever, and especially for me since my mother keeps stacking tons of transparent food plastic bags wherver she finds available space
Obviously with a simple plastic bag you don't get a re-useable case, as untightening the knot everytime makes it prone to get teared, and you don't get a lanyard because I don't see how you could attach one on a plastic bag in a satisfasctory safe manner, yet it's free VS paid, and you can't beat that

A word of warning with taking stuff in "sealed" containers into water. Those little free dives you do down 5-6 feet are one of the larger changes in pressure your container will experience so testing it in 6" water in a bath is nothing like the pressure it will experience at 6'.
Secondly, most "sealed" containers are fine at static pressures but fail when they encounter dynamic pressures such as when you jump from the back of a boat or off a jetty so be careful to make entry to the water as gently as possible unless the container is rated for depths greater than 3 atmospheres, (100')...
Yes, I'm a diver...

If you go to most large discount stores (Wal-Mart in my case)...look for a vacuum food sealer.
The kit comes with different sized bags (which can also be cut down to various sizes) and a countertop vacuum sealer unit.
Place your phone in one of the bags and cut it to size leaving a good 2" of room around each side, then just vacuum seal it. The phone works perfect and the bags are meant for freezer storage...so they are pretty thick and the unit makes an air tight seal
If you want, you can even punch a hole in one (or two) of the outside corners (outside the seal of course) and attach a string (or lanyard..shoelace..whatever) so you can wear your phone around your neck.
We have a swimming pool in our back yard and I have used my phone in the pool using these. I usually always do this to my HD2 and my wifes Vibrant when we are in the back yard with a lot of people (never know when a kid is going to go under, or a drunk friend is going to try and push you in)
I got the idea when we went to SeaWorld and saw a kiosk where they were charging people $15.00 to do this to their phones.
As the poster above me says to be a diver...im not going to argue with him at all, our pool only goes to 4-1/2 feet deep. so I would probably listen to him about the depth preasure information...but if you are just hanging out on the beach or in very shallow water, its a great way to keep your phone dry and still be able to use it.
Cheers

N4 glass cracking because of heat (or temperature change)?

I saw some post on some Android blog saying someones nexus 4 cracked because of temperature change. That was ridiculous for me, cuz many other phones have gorilla glass 2 on their displays which gets hot and nothing happens. What can be different in glass between front and back of the device?
Also this guy said it cracked while charging:
Hating or true?
Tell me what you think please.

People drop them and then use this as a handy excuse to try and get a new phone.

Same point of view as me

yeah i dont think so, sounds like a scam. it would take some serious heat to crack the glass.

Phaha, idiot dropped it look at the cracking... cant believe some people would be cheeky to claim it was the phones fault they dropped it, **** happens but dont try and run it down like this... Glad this Nexus is doing well, so well that people have to BS issues haha! Only the speaker really is a fault but whether its software or hardware is yet to be know .
Still waiting to be able to order mine .

How much would it need to warm up? Like 110*C? Strange as hell.
If it was temperature change it would have to be from Quadrant to snow in Ojmiakon, right?

i think the back glass isnt gorilla glass

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I saw some post on some Android blog saying someones nexus 4 cracked because of temperature change.
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An extreme enough temperature change could do that, but there would likely have to be a pre-exisiting defect of some sort. Doesn't take much, a small pit, or the glass back not being aligned properly around the camera lens. That said, I've only ever experienced that with a car windshield or two, not my N4.

vladnosferatu said:
i think the back glass isnt gorilla glass
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I hear people in this forum and many blog sites say it is. But didn't Phil from androidcentral confirm from LG that it is not gorilla glass. He went to where this and the optimus G were made and LG said that it is not gorilla glass on the back, its not glass.

That's interesting. But even if it's not gg it shouldn't break because of heat, right?
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Not if its not real or close to real glass, if its not as good as dispersing heat away from the which I assume is the battery overheating from recharge. Then yes it could possibly crack. However I charge using the included cable and never felt the screen get hot. I think it cracking from heat is real possibility depending what the composition on the back really is.

I keep hearing BS complaints about this phone. I have had 0 problems, no yellow tint, glass doesn't crack or scratch, no software or signal issues. I seriously think people just make **** up in their head or they don't actually own a N4 that are saying these things. I was one of the first to get this phone and its the best phone in quality and performance that I have used. I've had a int. HTC one x, brother has s3, sister has iPhone 5 and I had a gnex before the one x. This phone us ridiculous for $299
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I trust the guy at Droid Life. Wasn't some random dude, it was the main guy at the site. And it's freaked me out enough that when I'm at my parent's house, I'm not putting my bare phone on their granite countertop.
However, I do think it had to have been more than a gently placing the phone on the stone countertop. It HAD to be.

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That's interesting. But even if it's not gg it shouldn't break because of heat, right?
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I think if the phone got hot enough to break the glass it would not have survived it. The most components will take serious damage from the heat also, not only the glass.
It MIGHT be that a rapid temperature change from hot to cold or vice versa could cause the glass to crack. To crack, not to shatter like the one in die video.

dwd3885 said:
I trust the guy at Droid Life. Wasn't some random dude, it was the main guy at the site. And it's freaked me out enough that when I'm at my parent's house, I'm not putting my bare phone on their granite countertop.
However, I do think it had to have been more than a gently placing the phone on the stone countertop. It HAD to be.
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Yes, because site admins are always right about everything all the time. This whole heat shock stuff is nonsense. The phone doesn't get that hot, and room-temperature isn't that cold. At worst, Kellex had a defective phone. The glass either had a manufacturing problem or it was seated improperly. More likely, he broke it, since he also broke an Optimus G, which has been out longer than the Nexus 4 and hasn't had a big issue with this.
Look at THIS THREAD, if the glass has enough flex to creak, then it's got enough flex to handle any heat stress that doesn't involve you sticking your phone in boiling water after keeping the phone in your fridge.
As for some LG guy claiming the back isn't glass, I'm skeptical of that too. It might not be a proprietary Corning formula, but it's not plastic either, which means it's almost certainly SOME kind of glass.

I took a look at some photos on ifixit and think it might be a round of bad batteries. They have a fault and expand when they are rapid charged and is pushing against the glass causing it to crack. It be cool if one of those guys could open the phone and check the battery.
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Mash87 said:
It MIGHT be that a rapid temperature change from hot to cold or vice versa could cause the glass to crack. To crack, not to shatter like the one in die video.
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Just theorizing and repeating myself here, but there would have to be an internal defect in the glass, a microscopic chip, or the glass would have to be fitted poorly around the camera lens. The cut out for the lens is rounded, but it's still a weak spot so far as glass is concerned. Would likely need the perfect storm of events to make it happen.

vladnosferatu said:
i think the back glass isnt gorilla glass
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The back is gorilla glass
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silver91342 said:
I took a look at some photos on ifixit and think it might be a round of bad batteries. They have a fault and expand when they are rapid charged and is pushing against the glass causing it to crack. It be cool if one of those guys could open the phone and check the battery.
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Good theory.. Scares me a bit..
If they truly did cracks o easily I'm sure they are doing what they can to get Google to replace them..But if they refuse I guess opening it up to show the battery will be a good way to get momentum on the internet in case it really is happening.
But for all we know they dropped the phones and are just trying to get replacements.

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jmejiaa said:
Good theory.. Scares me a bit..
If they truly did cracks o easily I'm sure they are doing what they can to get Google to replace them..But if they refuse I guess opening it up to show the battery will be a good way to get momentum on the internet in case it really is happening.
But for all we know they dropped the phones and are just trying to get replacements.
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There was another post where someone showed a cracked back on both the LG and the Nexus, they said it was where they were placing the phone onto a cold stone work surface causing a temperature difference. Although if the surface isn't smooth and they drop it with some force and a small raised area of stone meets the glass it would crack it and explain it.
If the phone got as hot as they claimed in that video the safety fuse in the battery should have cut it dead to avoid an explosion, but the phone appears to be working just fine.
The backs are breaking that much we know, then again so do the fronts break on all phones if treated badly. Glass can crack and break, what is hard to ever know from posts here is if the breakage is just in line with other devices and typical, or it is happening statistically more often on the Nexus 4. Of course people will complain of broken phones/glass, but no one is going to post here and complain the glass hasn't become cracked!
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[Q] Is my Xperia Z not waterproof/water resistant?

Just bought it a week ago and wanted to test it underwater capabilities. With all lids closed tightly, seems like my phone still acts like a ballast tank rather than a submarine...
Edit: I wasn't clear enough on this: I tested the phone under 10cm deep, calm, cold water (in a small bucket) for 15 seconds. Results are: http://imgur.com/a/p5c3q#5
I'm thinking that it's taking water from the second microphone hole which is on the back of the phone, then it gets vaporized (very slowly, takes about 2-3 hours) by the heat. Water vapor can be seen condensing on the internal side of the back camera's glass cover...
I contacted with Sony Turkey and they informed me that the getting water inside the phone is actually a "customer error" and it also breaks the warranty. Great Quality Assurance and Great Customer Care. Way to go Sony...
Even though I assume that there was water in the phone, it kept working and still going on. Atleast Sony engineers do their job good.
Good thing that I also contacted the importer of the phone and he promised me atleast a replacement or a full refund.
Are there anybody else got a faulty phone too or am I the unluckiest XZ owner on Earth?

Search and thy shall find the answer.

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Search and thy shall find the answer.
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I did. Are you sure that you got my problem? I'm telling that water easily gets inside my phone and I'm asking if other people has this kind of problem too.
Thank you for your reply though.

canerpense said:
I did. Are you sure that you got my problem? I'm telling that water easily gets inside my phone and I'm asking if other people has this kind of problem too.
Thank you for your reply though.
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Left my phone in the sink for a while submerged in water and nothing happened besides the usual lower volume which came back to it's normal volume after 45 minutes or so.
Edit: not encouraging you guys to try, just giving info here.
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The Z is NOT water proofed.... it carries the IP55 and IP57 certification. Google what that actually means, its somewhat resistant to water and dust. Read your manual/google it.
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It looks like condensation in the camera area, isn't that considered to be normal?
But of course if you get water in your phone it's your fault, you know how much companies would lose if they didn't said that. Each time people got water in their phones they would be able to trade it in without a problem.

This happens if you put XZ in hot water!

Are you papers at the ports pink?? If its not, it's normal and your warranty is least likely to be voided. If yes then your phone's warranty will be voided
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Guys, give him some credit... that's actually very strange. I've never seen so much water/steam gathering inside the phone. Does it happen when you put it in hot water ? In this case it might be ok, but otherwise it shouldn't really happen - not like that. I'm not getting this on mine, no mattery if I just wash it with cold water or take it to the shower...

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@Utacka
I do know that it's not waterproof but Sony is making tons of ads saying that it should sit under at a maximum of 1 meter deep, calm, cold water for max. 30 minutes and should keep on working.
I dipped the phone into 10cm deep, calm and cold water for 10 seconds and it still gets water inside.
@Dsteppa
How can it be my fault if all the papers under the lids are white?
Evidence: http://imgur.com/a/p5c3q#2
@BR4DOKYBrazil
I'm quite sure that the water temp. was under 30 degrees celcius.
@xukaiteo
No, they are white, please look at the new SS.
@Akiainavas
Finally someone really understood me! And it was in cold water, I'm not mad enough to put it in boiling water. I know the adhesive under the glass starts to dissolve after reaching a certain temperature.

canerpense said:
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@Utacka
I do know that it's not waterproof but Sony is making tons of ads saying that it should sit under at a maximum of 1 meter deep, calm, cold water for max. 30 minutes and should keep on working.
I dipped the phone into 10cm deep, calm and cold water for 10 seconds and it still gets water inside.
@Dsteppa
How can it be my fault if all the papers under the lids are white?
Evidence: http://imgur.com/a/p5c3q#2
@BR4DOKYBrazil
I'm quite sure that the water temp. was under 30 degrees celcius.
@xukaiteo
No, they are white, please look at the new SS.
@Akiainavas
Finally someone really understood me! And it was in cold water, I'm not mad enough to put it in boiling water. I know the adhesive under the glass starts to dissolve after reaching a certain temperature.
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Hey don't blame me, I'm just saying how these people think.
I don't know how long you got your phone, but if you're not comfortable with it, try to exchange it ASAP!
Contact the source from where you bought the phone.

It's not normal. Change it as soon as possible!
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Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion).
Test duration: at least 3 minutes/Water volume: 12.5 litres per minute/Pressure: 30 kPa at distance of 3 m

As babylonbwoy said, and I'll say that too: replace your phone as soon as possible. This shouldn't be happening.

Thanks everyone for their thoughts. Today I finally managed to get a refund... :good:

canerpense said:
Thanks everyone for their thoughts. Today I finally managed to get a refund... :good:
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I have already taken pictures inside a pool, in the shower with my wife, also washed the phone many times.
But TODAY (July 3rd) water got inside the phone by somehow! The camera lens got covered and the screen near the power button got a bit white!
In one hour the phone got completely DEAD! I have tried to recharge it and the phone blinks a red light and vibrates three times, and it keeps in this cycle forever.
Very strange. I think I lost my phone...

ov3r said:
I have already taken pictures inside a pool, in the shower with my wife, also washed the phone many times.
But TODAY (July 3rd) water got inside the phone by somehow! The camera lens got covered and the screen near the power button got a bit white!
In one hour the phone got completely DEAD! I have tried to recharge it and the phone blinks a red light and vibrates three times, and it keeps in this cycle forever.
Very strange. I think I lost my phone...
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Sorry to hear that your phone is dead. I don't recommend powering the phone while there is water in it as water might damage the ccomponents.
Do not use hair drier to dry your phone, it might damage the glue between phone's screen and body. Place your phone in a bag of rice and seal the bag, wait for 6+ hours. Rice slowly captures the humidity in the air and thus humidity in the phone, hopefully allowing your phone to work again.

I have the same problem, I bought the Xperia Z in Switzerland and I went to the swimming pool with it and I have take pictures, I've made videos underwater, etc. etc. and the phone was ok, no problem at all. Now I came to Portugal in holidays and I took the phone to the beach to take some pictures with my friends. When I was on the water, I picked the phone from my pocket and it was completely turned off. I thought it should be the battery that was empty and I came to the towel. 15 minutes after, the water started evaporating and the phone was full of steam inside. I've opened all the lids of the phone, so that he could dry faster. I've seen the white paper under the lid and it was white, a few minuts after it was already red. I am in Portugal without phone, and I don't know if they will accept my phone to the warranty. I will never buy Sony Ericsson again, each time that I buy Sony Ericsson, I get a problem like this one... Every time the same!

Are u sure the flaps where closed all the way?
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nedbull said:
I have the same problem, I bought the Xperia Z in Switzerland and I went to the swimming pool with it and I have take pictures, I've made videos underwater, etc. etc. and the phone was ok, no problem at all. Now I came to Portugal in holidays and I took the phone to the beach to take some pictures with my friends. When I was on the water, I picked the phone from my pocket and it was completely turned off. I thought it should be the battery that was empty and I came to the towel. 15 minutes after, the water started evaporating and the phone was full of steam inside. I've opened all the lids of the phone, so that he could dry faster. I've seen the white paper under the lid and it was white, a few minuts after it was already red. I am in Portugal without phone, and I don't know if they will accept my phone to the warranty. I will never buy Sony Ericsson again, each time that I buy Sony Ericsson, I get a problem like this one... Every time the same!
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So, you've placed the phone in at least 2 situations that the manual tells you specifically not to and it's somehow Sony's fault that it's now broken?
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No, that's your fault. Also, as the water ingress indicators are now red, it's a 99% certainty that your warranty is void.
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So, you've placed the phone in at least 2 situations that the manual tells you specifically not to and it's somehow Sony's fault that it's now broken?
No, that's your fault. Also, as the water ingress indicators are now red, it's a 99% certainty that your warranty is void.
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Hi,
as there is already been mentioned here, the phone is water resistant, so that I can go to the swimming pool with it, and that's why I bought it cause I don't like Sony... If Sony makes its marketing campaign saying the phone is waterproof and then I buy a phone these and I can not take it to the water, it's my fault? If the indicators are red is because the phone was not well manufactured.
Is there any way to make the indicators became white again?

[Q] Xperia Z Design Flaw?

Hello everyone.
I've had to send my Xperia Z a week ago for repairs, due to water damage.
Under the further inspection, all the water indicators placed within the ports of the phone were white, not red.
As such, I believe that the cause of the water damage is most probably caused by a design flaw of the Xperia Z in general.
As I understand, the glass back panel of the Xperia Z is removed through a heating process that weakens the adhesive between the back panel and the chassis of the phone.
Thus, I believe that due to heat issues with the Xperia Z, the adhesive used to seal phone is weakened in that area (top left hand corner, beside the back camera lens), possibly compromising the phone's ability to repel water.
I've seen display sets of the Xperia Z phones, and I've also noticed the issue on those sets.
Here's the link that shows the problem in detail: http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/127732
Have any of you noticed the same issue, especially when your phone gets heated up? (I've posted up a similar thread on another forum)

It's not a design flaw, all major parts of all phones stick together with just glue. If it wasn't glue then how for example would people be able to replace a broken screen?

Dsteppa said:
It's not a design flaw, all major parts of all phones stick together with just glue. If it wasn't glue then how for example would people be able to replace a broken screen?
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I'm not saying that the glue is a design flaw (if there even is a design flaw), but rather, the way the phone was designed is what causes one corner of the back panel to flex upwards (probably due to heat issues).
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i agree. whenever my XZ gets hot the headphone jack flap pops open. the heats causing something to distort in the frame.

Have this issue too.

Yes. I believe Sony overlooked the amount of heat generated from the phone. The phone should be able to withstand the heat generated by itself and not deform in any way.
Others are seeing the same problem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304680

Imagine how it's going to be in 1.5 years when your phone has been used thoroughly (including the flaps), gone through 1000 heat cycles and has been dropped a couple of times.......
If I would have the Z, I wouldn't feel comfortable putting it underwater in 1.5 years.
I'm happy with my ZL

It appears as though this problem isn't an isolated incident on my end. It might be good if this issue could be brought to the attention of other Xperia Z owners who might be unaware.
I wonder if Sony is aware of this issue...

The real question is that if the water that cames from back could go to the ports from inside...

Honestly, in regards to the question of whether or not water could get through the back to the ports, I don't think so.
I noticed one day that there was condensation covering the back camera. I was immediately worried, as I didn't know what happened. I thought maybe it was because it was humid outside and it formed within the phone.
The next day, I dunked it in a cup of water. All was fine, no problems. This was about 2 weeks ago.
Then, last weekend, I took the phone in the pool with me and took some pictures and video. I submerged it completely.
Yesterday, I put it in another cup of water to demonstrate it's certification to a friend.
The device still works to this day. So, I'm not sure whether or not the water will effect anything besides the camera. The camera also hasn't fogged up at all, which leaves me to wonder if it somehow fixed itself or if the adhesive got hot again and then was pressed together while in my pocket. Nonetheless, it still works. I will just make sure to be a little cautious. I don't want to lose such a beautiful device.

Same here
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Honestly, in regards to the question of whether or not water could get through the back to the ports, I don't think so.
I noticed one day that there was condensation covering the back camera. I was immediately worried, as I didn't know what happened. I thought maybe it was because it was humid outside and it formed within the phone.
The next day, I dunked it in a cup of water. All was fine, no problems. This was about 2 weeks ago.
Then, last weekend, I took the phone in the pool with me and took some pictures and video. I submerged it completely.
Yesterday, I put it in another cup of water to demonstrate it's certification to a friend.
The device still works to this day. So, I'm not sure whether or not the water will effect anything besides the camera. The camera also hasn't fogged up at all, which leaves me to wonder if it somehow fixed itself or if the adhesive got hot again and then was pressed together while in my pocket. Nonetheless, it still works. I will just make sure to be a little cautious. I don't want to lose such a beautiful device.
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I also had camera lens covered by condensation half an hour after washing my Xperia Z. All the flaps are still white, so I thought it could be because I whashed it at the shower hot water instead natural temperature water at the sink. So I washed it on cold water to test. It seems to be ok at the moment, but 30, 40 minutes later camera lens were condensed again. I decided to keep my phone away from water, and when cleaning it with a towel I noticed the back glass cover was a litte lifted on the left side, not enough to see it, but I can fell it when firmly pressing it. I hope they use a stronger glue on Z1 or why not, screws!

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I also had camera lens covered by condensation half an hour after washing my Xperia Z. All the flaps are still white, so I thought it could be because I whashed it at the shower hot water instead natural temperature water at the sink. So I washed it on cold water to test. It seems to be ok at the moment, but 30, 40 minutes later camera lens were condensed again. I decided to keep my phone away from water, and when cleaning it with a towel I noticed the back glass cover was a litte lifted on the left side, not enough to see it, but I can fell it when firmly pressing it. I hope they use a stronger glue on Z1 or why not, screws!
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Lol a good method of securing the frame would be ideal, as this IS a water resistant device... But overall they did I nice job, I just think they should have paid a little more attention to the heating of the device in strenuous situations. The fact that the device gets hot enough that the adhesive begins coming off or getting lose is a huge problem for Sony.
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back panel lift and dead camera
This issue is very real... My z now has a broken camera and Sony refuse to acknowledge the issue exists so no warranty.
in reading their documentation the phone is not waterproof as claimed in adverts. So be very careful of it.
hopefully the module i have ordered should sort it..
fingers crossed.

Samsung Galaxy S9 Uneven Oleophobic Coating

The oleophobic coating on the screen of my S9 seems to be incomplete and uneven. I put my palm all over the screen and you can see the distinct boundary where the coating is missing. Is anyone else having this problem?
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It does seem like a manufacturing defect. I would get it changed right away.

I returned mine after a couple of days, the warranty covered it so I'm waiting for a new batch of s9+ to arrive so I can get a new one...

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I returned it to the T-Mo store tonight and they gave me a new one and a shipping label to send back my defective one. The Samsung rep just happened to be in the store at the time and at first he said he'd seen all the weird defects, then when I showed him mine he admitted that was a new one to him, lol.

miodrag.cutura said:
I returned mine after a couple of days, the warranty covered it so I'm waiting for a new batch of s9+ to arrive so I can get a new one...
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Did yours have a bad/incomplete coating too?

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Did yours have a bad/incomplete coating too?
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Ooooohhhh it so did... Sadly, I did not make a photo, but it was terrible. Two thick straight lines stretching from the middle of the left bezel all the way down to the middle of the bottom bezel. Not even the front desk of the service point knew what the oleophobic coating was (don't ask), luckily i had some connections so, they acted on it really fast. A funny thing happened after the replacement was approved. No store had it, so I had to wait another week for a new batch of s9+

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Did yours have a bad/incomplete coating too?
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Just wanted to give a heads up, I am returning my second S9+ unit, oleophobic issues are even worse on this one!
Check out the video, i posted it on yt. It is in my profile as my personal url, too
https://youtu.be/qtDf53wcgmc

miodrag.cutura said:
Just wanted to give a heads up, I am returning my second S9+ unit, oleophobic issues are even worse on this one!
Check out the video, i posted it on yt. It is in my profile as my personal url, too
https://youtu.be/qtDf53wcgmc
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Noticed this too, and just wondering if you ever got one that never got this problem? As you say/imply in your YouTube comment, it's actually not obvious at all in real-world use - the coating seems to only be affected on the sides and not the actual screen. However, I'm wondering whether the coating will continue "peeling" into the actual screen over time?

Those who got the units with this issue, where was your phone made?
The quick way to do is to download this app from play store. All the info will be on first page itself.
App Link : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo&hl=en
I have seen this happen on other phones, couple of moto phones, one xiaomi phone. Never on Samsung. But because it has happened to me in past, I always check it on every new phone as one of the items on checklist. That is unacceptable defect. I wonder if this is coming from one specific factory or totally random issue. Thankfully, my unit is perfect.

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The oleophobic coating on the screen of my S9 seems to be incomplete and uneven. I put my palm all over the screen and you can see the distinct boundary where the coating is missing. Is anyone else having this problem?
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Washed it with soap or had it in water with chlorine? Like a pool, if so... that's getting rid of your coating.

Funkym0nkey said:
Those who got the units with this issue, where was your phone made?
The quick way to do is to download this app from play store. All the info will be on first page itself.
App Link : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo&hl=en
I have seen this happen on other phones, couple of moto phones, one xiaomi phone. Never on Samsung. But because it has happened to me in past, I always check it on every new phone as one of the items on checklist. That is unacceptable defect. I wonder if this is coming from one specific factory or totally random issue. Thankfully, my unit is perfect.
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For me, I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when it was brand new, but who knows. It's actually really hard to see in most lighting conditions, and even then, it's only noticeable if you're actively looking for it. And even if it's present, for it to show up more obviously, you really need to rub some oil/water/fingerprint on those specific areas for it to show up more clearly. I'm sure most people have this to some extent, but >90% of people wouldn't notice it.

My phone doesn't have it, tried to return it but they said "Samsung Galaxy S9 isn't supposed to have it". Have I been tricked???

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For me, I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when it was brand new, but who knows. It's actually really hard to see in most lighting conditions, and even then, it's only noticeable if you're actively looking for it. And even if it's present, for it to show up more obviously, you really need to rub some oil/water/fingerprint on those specific areas for it to show up more clearly. I'm sure most people have this to some extent, but >90% of people wouldn't notice it.
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You will only notice it when you get some skin oil or fingerprints on the screen.
I have had this happen on my 2 previous phones. Moto X and Mi 4i. Here is the picture i quickly found in my google photos.
As you can see, the oleophobic coating is missing from the middle part of the screen. This is a defect. It probably happened because some sheet of plastic flew and got stuck on the top glass in factory when the screen underwent the oleophobic coating process or some chemical spilled on the screen in factory and this went unnoticed during QC as it will be hard to detect this without actually touching screen with bare hands. (WIth some skin oil )
At the end of the day, this is unacceptable defect if you have it. The oleophobic coating is sensitive to heat and chlorinated water, but chlorinated water will take long time and multiple exposures to it to cause this damage. It wont happen with single dip in chlorinated water.
My suggestion is to get your phones replaced or at least screen replaced under warranty if you are out of return period.

Funkym0nkey said:
You will only notice it when you get some skin oil or fingerprints on the screen.
I have had this happen on my 2 previous phones. Moto X and Mi 4i. Here is the picture i quickly found in my google photos.
As you can see, the oleophobic coating is missing from the middle part of the screen. This is a defect. It probably happened because some sheet of plastic flew and got stuck on the top glass in factory when the screen underwent the oleophobic coating process or some chemical spilled on the screen in factory and this went unnoticed during QC as it will be hard to detect this without actually touching screen with bare hands. (WIth some skin oil )
At the end of the day, this is unacceptable defect if you have it. The oleophobic coating is sensitive to heat and chlorinated water, but chlorinated water will take long time and multiple exposures to it to cause this damage. It wont happen with single dip in chlorinated water.
My suggestion is to get your phones replaced or at least screen replaced under warranty if you are out of return period.
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The original poster (I think) and I only notice this on the sides of the phone (where it curves), and not on the actual part of the screen where pixels light up. I've seen one person replace his S9 several times (and even got the store manager I think to open like 5-6 phones at a store) and all of them had it to some extent. Because it's only at the sides, a lot of cases would actually (mostly) cover this up, so again, it explains why most people wouldn't notice it.

ssj100 said:
Noticed this too, and just wondering if you ever got one that never got this problem? As you say/imply in your YouTube comment, it's actually not obvious at all in real-world use - the coating seems to only be affected on the sides and not the actual screen. However, I'm wondering whether the coating will continue "peeling" into the actual screen over time?
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The third one is ok for now. But hey, now I hate Samsung anyway, so this pretty much no longer matters. I am waiting for smudges to keep sticking and will return this one at some point, I'd say... Btw, this one was made in Vietnam.

miodrag.cutura said:
The third one is ok for now. But hey, now I hate Samsung anyway, so this pretty much no longer matters. I am waiting for smudges to keep sticking and will return this one at some point, I'd say... Btw, this one was made in Vietnam.
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Thanks for the feedback. I think we're some of the unlucky ones, otherwise we'd hear more about this oleophobic issue - not many posts on it? I'm not getting mine exchanged, as this is purely cosmetic (and rather minor), and I'd probably run the risk of coming across another "defect", if not the same one. The rest of the phone is functioning very well for me. And that's the keyword - it's actually "functioning" well, which is all that really matters when push comes to shove.
How do you mean you're "waiting for smudges to keep sticking"?

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Thanks for the feedback. I think we're some of the unlucky ones, otherwise we'd hear more about this oleophobic issue - not many posts on it? I'm not getting mine exchanged, as this is purely cosmetic (and rather minor), and I'd probably run the risk of coming across another "defect", if not the same one. The rest of the phone is functioning very well for me. And that's the keyword - it's actually "functioning" well, which is all that really matters when push comes to shove.
How do you mean you're "waiting for smudges to keep sticking"?
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Definitely should've written 'waiting for the smudges to stick' Because that's basically what happens when the oleophobic coating is messed up. They stick really hard to the glass and it is much more difficult to clean it up.

So if your screen shows residue from normal use, it would qualify for a warranty exchange? That seems a bit unrealistic when many other factors come into play. Use of skin lotion, body sweat are couple first thought of. My whole screen shows signs of use, and has since day one. It's never been exposed to chlorine or any other chemical.

Hi guys, try this out for checking. Tried mine and noticed I still have an even coating. My device is made from Vietnam.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm almost glad my phone was made in China.