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GL Benchmark
CNET UK said:
To see how it stacks up against the competition, I booted up my benchmark test and hit go. On the Geekbench test, it returned a frankly astonishing score of 1,975, putting it just below the powerhouse Galaxy Note 2 and far above the S3. It did similarly well on the CF-Bench test, where it managed to achieve 13,207, again well clear of the S3.
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CNET UK said:
Processor and battery: Though the Nexus 4's data speeds might not be blazingly fast, the 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core CPU makes its internal speed swift and smooth. Graphics-intense games like Riptide GP and Asphalt 7 played extremely well, launching and running with no stalls or hiccups. The games both displayed high frame rates with high-resolution graphics.
Because of the phone's ultrafast CPU, gameplay was crisp, smooth, and fast.
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In addition, average start time for the handset was about 23 seconds, and it took about 1.82 seconds to launch the camera. Browsing on Chrome was a lot smoother on this device than on the Optimus G for some reason. For instance, scrolling down Web pages was executed much more swiftly.
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The GLbenchmarks scores look promising as you would expect. Quallcomm also has a record of drastically improving 3D performance over time with driver updates, let's hope they do the same with the Adreno 320.
Antutu however doesn't seem like it's a good way to measure the Performance of highend smartphones anymore.
The 3D and 2D scores are totally useless as the test are completely Vsync limited meaning that all new Smartphones score the same.
I also doesn't seem right that the Tegra 3 has a higher CPU score at the same clockspeed.
It's about time someone develops a decent benchmark suite for android.

This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.

Ace42 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
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HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why

Any quadrant scores please?

Ace42 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
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Im pretty sure the Gnex and NexusS had SGX's cards

Anyone have the sunspider scores compared to the iphone5? thanks!

yahyoh said:
HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
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You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...

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rkantos said:
You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
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No it doesn't?
EDIT: Oh, you probably meant iPad 3

BatteryCro said:
No it doesn't?
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Im certain he was referring to the iPad 3 that was referenced for comparison.

yahyoh said:
HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
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If we could normalize the iPad3's ridiculous resolution then it would win in every tests--Andantech showed that the Nexus 4 is between the iPad 2 & iPad 3 in terms of power(GPU).
BennyJr said:
Im pretty sure the Gnex and NexusS had SGX's cards
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Yes that's correct(including every Galaxy S1 phone aka Hummingbird chips). Though I meant to say that no Android phone has a *modern* SGX model like the 544/543.
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You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
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Yeah if the iPad has a logical resolution then the scores would be different.

Damn that total disappoint benchmarks compared to Exynos 4412 in note 2
my old s2 get 1350ms in sunspider with stock cpu speed + cm10
Edit : WTF my s2 get 1500 point in vellamo

I guess I'm slow. Can someone explain to me how it is that the Nexus 4 and Optimus g are getting such different scores? The only thing I can figure is the kernel needs refining on the Nexus.

estallings15 said:
I guess I'm slow. Can someone explain to me how it is that the Nexus 4 and Optimus g are getting such different scores? The only thing I can figure is the kernel needs refining on the Nexus.
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Only thing that can explain it is the hardware is throttled back.

yahyoh said:
Damn that total disappoint benchmarks compared to Exynos 4412 in note 2
my old s2 get 1350ms in sunspider with stock cpu speed + cm10
Edit : WTF my s2 get 1500 point in vellamo
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My Galaxy S2 got 1960 in Vellamo
and 1200ms in Sunspider running CM10 and Siyah Kernel,
but I wouldn't be too concerned we already know that the S4 pro is a beast, and what's more important is real world performance,
I guess there will be Android 4.2.1 when the device arrives that will improve Javascript perfomance.

Venekor said:
Only thing that can explain it is the hardware is throttled back.
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or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:

yahyoh said:
or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
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This

yahyoh said:
or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
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Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking. Bring on that source code!

i remember something when i first saw gnex benchmarks i said WTF this crap then after i bought it and flashed CM9 then CM10 or AOKP with Franco or trinty kernel and damn , u feel the phone then worked with full power

Most likely overheating (thermal throttling). Google should have stayed with dual core.

Galaxy S5 with QHD and Snapdragon 805 announced

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.

Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.

Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now

I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...

ShadowLea said:
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?

Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.

jodvova said:
Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.

3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.

That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.

This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!

The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.

Apoxx said:
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.

BarryH_GEG said:
So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
Enviado do meu Galaxy S5

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.

To Snapdragon 805 or to Exynos 5433 (updated)

We have two models (chipset wise):
1- SM-N910S running Qualcomm Snapdragon 805
(Quad-core Krait 450 CPU at up to 2.7 GHz per core/Adreno 420 GPU/4G LTE Advanced/28 nm HPm)
2- SM-N910C running Exynos 5433
(big.LITTLE HMP: Quad-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A53 & 1.9GHz quad-core Cortex-A57 /Mali-T760 GPU/20nm)
Which one do you think is better, and why?
============== Update (2014-09-26) ==============
It's seems -contrary to earlier beliefs- that SM-N910S is not a snapdragon 805 version but an Exynos 5433 version with LTE-A!
Please don't rely on the model number, and make sure to check the online product description or box backside (if you buying physically) for the chipset informtion before buying
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Lets see first whether Exynos is really a 64bit a57+a53 combo and then we vote as there is no evidence yet in the wild. On the contrary, well known people from Sammobile , Anandtech and XDA believe that its a a15+ a7 combo!
Edit: Its A57+A53!

Are we using the best fastest chip in US? Thats all I want.

Exynos will be better in benchmarks cause it has better gpu & cpu and propably will support 64bit for Android L update. On the other hand it only supports LTE cat 4, when Snapdragon 805 supports LTE cat 6. Snapdragon will be better for devs.

Definitely Snapdragon, there is a huge amount of developer support for it across multiple different phones here on XDA. The dev forum for the Note 3 is more than 5x the size of the exynos forum for the Note 3. There is still no AOSP/Cyanogenmod for the exynos Note 3. I see a lot of posts in the Note 3 forums about various things saying, "So when is this coming to my exynos version?" and rarely does it ever.

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Octa-Cores that work simultaneously
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:good:

Qualcomm Snapdragon of course. The Exynos versions always end up being orphans in terms of developer enhancements. There are never many custom ROMs or anything other development for Exynos because there are comparatively few Exynos handsets out there and few developers own them.
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I'm big on the whole emulator thing.i read somewhere someone claimed samsung fixed whatever driver problem they had in previous exynos chips. Couple that with great benchmark scores and it's looking good, based on the past it seems the snap dragon has some sort of finicky driver issues that developers have to work around. But then again, benchmarks can utilize more than 2 cores, and on paper, the snap dragon is clocked much higher although with less cores.

Is there any official info which region will get exynos and who will get snapdragon?

darkkain said:
Is there any official info which region will get exynos and who will get snapdragon?
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darkkain said:
Is there any official info which region will get exynos and who will get snapdragon?
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I think European countries will get Snapdragon and other countries will get Exynos.
(Like Galaxy Note 3's Region Lock)
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20nm is better than 28nm. better and battery friendly ..:good:

darkkain said:
Is there any official info which region will get exynos and who will get snapdragon?
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exynos goes to Europe... Snapdragon to the USA...

Galaxy Tab S is exynos for Europe and snap for USA. Maybe will be the same this time.
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Which model will Outside of the Europe & USA Get ?
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dilgit said:
exynos goes to Europe... Snapdragon to the USA...
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They switched to 805 for Europe.

AndreiLux said:
They switched to 805 for Europe.
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So who gets Exynos, Asia? Still don't know what I'm aiming for, Exynos or Snapdragon, but it's good to know who gets what.

I not sure how true Samsung Store Malaysia told me Malaysia is 100% getting the S805 which same as Note 3 also Snapdragon chipset.
Please this be true, I only want S805 and all users at hotter Malaysia forum lowyat seems all vote for S805 also.

well according to this website: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4912030/1/rv/samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/
the exynos version got a 50k+ antutu score, far above any existing soc, while on geekbench 3 the exynos version also scores much higher than s5 (snapdragon 801), like 20-25% higher. But they couldn't finish the test for the sd 805 version, which is a bit strange...
however, it is difficult to imagine how the snapdragon 805 version can manage to achieve paired performance as above if it is really true, as 805 and 801 soc are basically the same architecture, and the performance gain can only come from the higher clock (2.7 vs 2.5 ghz) so nowhere near a 20% increase, and this we already saw from the benchmarks for s5 lte-a version which features a 805 soc.
ps: another interesting tidbit from the preview above... the instructions set for the exynos version is still armv7, basically means it is still a 32bit architecture, as opposed to the 64bit many believe (hope) it would be which should mean the instruction set should be armv8...

alexcarterkarsus said:
well according to this website: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4912030/1/rv/samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/
the exynos version got a 50k+ antutu score, far above any existing soc, while on geekbench 3 the exynos version also scores much higher than s5 (snapdragon 801), like 20-25% higher. But they couldn't finish the test for the sd 805 version, which is a bit strange...
however, it is difficult to imagine how the snapdragon 805 version can manage to achieve paired performance as above if it is really true, as 805 and 801 soc are basically the same architecture, and the performance gain can only come from the higher clock (2.7 vs 2.5 ghz) so nowhere near a 20% increase, and this we already saw from the benchmarks for s5 lte-a version which features a 805 soc.
ps: another interesting tidbit from the preview above... the instructions set for the exynos version is still armv7, basically means it is still a 32bit architecture, as opposed to the 64bit many believe (hope) it would be which should mean the instruction set should be armv8...
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Forget Antutu!! Don't trust that much.
Check this beauty:
It literally demolishes Qualcomm.. nvidia Shield Tablet scores around 1100 and 3500.
The single-core performance is very near to A7 (obviously multi-core is way higher). Along with 20nm, this is turning out to be very enticing.

Video Reviews

Video reviews, now organized by date.
03/09/2014 - Marques Brownlee - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Impressions!
03/09/2014 - Btekt - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 hands on - IFA 2014
26/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing
27/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 In Depth Part 1: Fingerprint
28/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Front Facing Wide-Angle 2K
29/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Adaptive Fast Charging
30/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Benchmarks - (Thanks @emix)
30/09/2014 - Android Authority - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing and First Impressions!
01/10/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 + 128GB micro SDXC SanDisk Test
02/10/2014 - Android Authority - Samsung Galaxy Note 4: S Pen
02/10/2014 - TacticalMissions - Galaxy Note 4 Ultra Slow Motion, 4K, 16 Megapixel Camera Test (Thanks @TacticalMission)
03/10/2014 - Android Authority - Multitasking
03/10/2014 - UNDERkg - All the Galaxy Note 4 side by side
04/10/2014 - GSMArena - Hands on
05/10/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - S-View Cover
05/10/2014 - Android Authority - Full Review
06/10/2014 - MsBlackoreanlady - One week after
07/10/2014 - ThePapiGfunk - Gaming On The NEW Samsung Galaxy Note 4! [HD]
07/10/2014 - Danny Winget - Nice review (thanks again Emix)
11/10/2014 - PhoneArena - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review
11/10/2014 - DetroidBORG - Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Unboxing & Review
15/10/2014 - PocketNow - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review: The Best of What's Big
17/10/2014 - Btekt - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 speed sketching!
17/10/2014 - MobileTechReview - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review
17/10/2014 - Flossy Carter - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing
23/10/2014 - Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing and First Impressions!
24/10/2014 - Well, not exactly a review (nor english) but we can see the Dual SIM slots here

Wow! The fingerprint works pretty good. I was worried about it. That is the only feature i likes on Apple devices. But this is very good now.

JoganJani said:
Wow! The fingerprint works pretty good. I was worried about it. That is the only feature i likes on Apple devices. But this is very good now.
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Agreed, seems better than on Galaxy S5. But, well... would be even better if we could just rest the finger on it instead of scrolling (like on iPhone) but still pretty neat.

joelteixeira said:
Agreed, seems better than on Galaxy S5. But, well... would be even better if we could just rest the finger on it instead of scrolling (like on iPhone) but still pretty neat.
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I guess if samsung copied that idea apple would try to sue, so samsung were left to try something else.

RCJ89 said:
I guess if samsung copied that idea apple would try to sue, so samsung were left to try something else.
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It's possible RCJ89 but I don't know for sure if Apple could sue for this... Motorola Atrix had fingerprint sensors years ago and I think that the improvement on the way it "reads" it's a natural evolution. But anyway, they sue for everything.

joelteixeira said:
It's possible RCJ89 but I don't know for sure if Apple could sue for this... Motorola Atrix had fingerprint sensors years ago and I think that the improvement on the way it "reads" it's a natural evolution. But anyway, they sue for everything.
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Apple is sue master (seuing machine ; ). They can sue for anything. I saw they were sueing for mere scrolling effect. They sew for icon pattern, Search feature etc.
If apple's sell is down...or competition is hard, then apple fires from sue machin.
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ipsuvedi said:
Apple is sue master (seuing machine ; ). They can sue for anything. I saw they were sueing for mere scrolling effect. They sew for icon pattern, Search feature etc.
If apple's sell is down...or competition is hard, then apple fires from sue machin.
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True fact! They not even know the meaning of innovation anymore. :\

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Thanks Emix, updating the original post with this new video.

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Why does the Note 3 destroy the Note 4 in several of these benchmarks??

Low FPS on -screen is expected, but off-screen? There's something wrong

gabrielgon said:
Low FPS on -screen is expected, but off-screen? There's something wrong
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The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).

Toss3 said:
The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).
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Hope you're right! Gotta wait and see, but this lack of information even after S. Korea's release is killing me.

New video on first post guys. 128GB MicroSD Card :good:

Toss3 said:
The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).
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DelBoy, who has an enynos version, posted the score of 16.239 on 3D Mark, which is less then the 17~18k from S5 (S801) and far behind the 19k from S5 "Prime" (S805).
What now? Maybe we should start considering that the 5433 isn't that great, at least for gaming.

gabrielgon said:
DelBoy, who has an enynos version, posted the score of 16.239 on 3D Mark, which is less then the 17~18k from S5 (S801) and far behind the 19k from S5 "Prime" (S805).
What now? Maybe we should start considering that the 5433 isn't that great, at least for gaming.
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I know, thought the Mali T760 would have been a lot faster (could still be due to unoptimised drivers (the results aren't consistent)), but still the CPU is what matters when it comes to a smooth performing phone.
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Some reviews of LG G3 were stating that SD801 (GPU) was not the optimal driver for running the whole system in QHD! I wonder now what will they will say with Note 4 Exynos GPU which is weaker than SD801 , it is at Note 3 SD800 level instead of SD805 level

SAVVAS. said:
Some reviews of LG G3 were stating that SD801 (GPU) was not the optimal driver for running the whole system in QHD! I wonder now what will they will say with Note 4 Exynos GPU which is weaker than SD801 , it is at Note 3 SD800 level instead of SD805 level
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I had a Tegra 3 device (LG 4X HD) and they had this same optimization bla bla which NEVER came. The phone was fast for the time (2012), but not so good for gaming.
I wouldn't say the GPU is weaker than S801, but it's starting to look like less powerful than S805 for sure.
Do you think after unlocking to 64-bit would increase the GPU performance or this is just a long shot?

I think Samsung intentionally kept the GPU down, probably they will go all out in Exynos 7420. Otherwise can't explain why the kept the memory bandwidth so low. 760 can have upto 16 cores, at 10 core count it should be on par with K1.

gabrielgon said:
Do you think after unlocking to 64-bit would increase the GPU performance or this is just a long shot?
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The performance may go up but that's for CPU I don't know or expect GPU improvement other than possible future update of GPU drivers.
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CLARiiON said:
I think Samsung intentionally kept the GPU down, probably they will go all out in Exynos 7420. Otherwise can't explain why the kept the memory bandwidth so low. 760 can have upto 16 cores, at 10 core count it should be on par with K1.
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Hey man , that scores you have posted are nowhere near from what I have seen from 2 members here in XDA. And the scores that I found show that it is close to Adreno 330 levels. Samusung should have at least match it close to Adreni 420.

New Mi3 in 2015?

I just want to know if it makes sense to buy this device in 2015? I always buy midrangers and don't like shelling out more money. So, what are your thoughts on this? With Lollipop supporting 64-bit does waiting for Moto G 2015 makes sense?

I think yes . It' s very fast and good
Wysłane z mojego MI 3W przy użyciu Tapatalka

With Lollipop supporting 64-bit do you think I should wait for Moto G 2015?

whyzee said:
With Lollipop supporting 64-bit do you think I should wait for Moto G 2015?
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I have a Mi3 and i'm very glad with it, bought it in February.
But if it was now, i'd probably go to the Mi4i, It comes with MIUI V6 based on Android L and it's a Snapdragon 615 (64bit)

JBolho said:
I have a Mi3 and i'm very glad with it, bought it in February.
But if it was now, i'd probably go to the Mi4i, It comes with MIUI V6 based on Android L and it's a Snapdragon 615 (64bit)
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Right. But SD800 >> SD615.

whyzee said:
Right. But SD800 >> SD615.
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The 800's CPU, on paper and benchmarks, yes. (Antutu on my Mi3, running latest beta MIUI V6 is on the 43k mark)
The GPU is not that different on actual performance, but the 615 is much more energy efficient.
The 800 (as well as the 801 and the 805), are beasts but warm up pretty quickly and Qualcomm's MP-Decision hotplug does not take very long to cap the CPU to half the speed, because the SoC goes very near the 60ºC mark in no time under heavy load.
If you read the news, that's why the 810 is a flop, they pushed the Krait architecture beyond what it can do, and they turned a mobile SoC into an instant frying pan.
Of course, you can always ditch MIUI, go to a Custom Rom along with some custom kernel, ditch MP-decision too, and go with manual frequencies... but then again, if you risk too much heating, the SIM card slot fries (because it's the only place on the Mi3 that expels heat more rapidly), the touch screen begins to take damage and after a while you'll be replacing it, and in the end it will render your phone useless.
Don't get me wrong, i love Krait based Snadragon's, especially the 800 and the 801, but the new 615 and alike, are made with smaller architecture and are much more energy efficient, which means, more battery friendly, and can sustain heavy loads for longer time, because they don't heat up as much, or as faster as their predecessors.
It's not the paper sheet specs that count in the end, it's the day-to-day real performance and behaviour that shows whether a specific SoC is really that good or not.
The PC world learned this some 10 to 15 years ago, when Intel lauched the Pentium 4's with ridiculously high frequencies, everyone was mind-blown to see those speeds right of the shelf, but everyone pretty much realized that those CPU's were pretty much useless in no time, unless you had expensive custom cooling on your setup. Qualcomm made the same mistake.

JBolho said:
The 800's CPU, on paper and benchmarks, yes. (Antutu on my Mi3, running latest beta MIUI V6 is on the 43k mark)
The GPU is not that different on actual performance, but the 615 is much more energy efficient.
The 800 (as well as the 801 and the 805), are beasts but warm up pretty quickly and Qualcomm's MP-Decision hotplug does not take very long to cap the CPU to half the speed, because the SoC goes very near the 60ºC mark in no time under heavy load.
If you read the news, that's why the 810 is a flop, they pushed the Krait architecture beyond what it can do, and they turned a mobile SoC into an instant frying pan.
Of course, you can always ditch MIUI, go to a Custom Rom along with some custom kernel, ditch MP-decision too, and go with manual frequencies... but then again, if you risk too much heating, the SIM card slot fries (because it's the only place on the Mi3 that expels heat more rapidly), the touch screen begins to take damage and after a while you'll be replacing it, and in the end it will render your phone useless.
Don't get me wrong, i love Krait based Snadragon's, especially the 800 and the 801, but the new 615 and alike, are made with smaller architecture and are much more energy efficient, which means, more battery friendly, and can sustain heavy loads for longer time, because they don't heat up as much, or as faster as their predecessors.
It's not the paper sheet specs that count in the end, it's the day-to-day real performance and behaviour that shows whether a specific SoC is really that good or not.
The PC world learned this some 10 to 15 years ago, when Intel lauched the Pentium 4's with ridiculously high frequencies, everyone was mind-blown to see those speeds right of the shelf, but everyone pretty much realized that those CPU's were pretty much useless in no time, unless you had expensive custom cooling on your setup. Qualcomm made the same mistake.
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IMO SD800 is the better option. Here's a couple of reasons why:
* big.little is relatively new tech and needs more time to mature. It might look good on both performance and battery life fronts on paper maybe, but is there really any one phone in the market currently that beats current SD80X in both performance and battery life? (GSMArena's reviews suggest that Xperia Z3C is the recent gen phone that scores solidly on both counts and it runs on a SD801. One other phone with a better battery is the OnePlus One which also runs on the same chip.). The funniest thing that I find about SD615 is that big.little is supposed to bring two architechtures together as it was demoed using Cortex A-15 & A-7 clusters, but both clusters of SD615 are A-53 (A53 = 64bit A7).
* Both SD80x and SD615 are build on the same 28nm process. The HPM process also supports ultra-low modes which LP doesn't. More here: http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
* SD80x can give you both performance (on >2Ghz) and battery life (when underclocked) though not at the same time.
* Finally the Adreno 405 on SD615 is less powerful that the Adreno 330 on SD80x.
These are just a few reasons that came to mind. I am sure that I can find many more reasons if I looked around a bit more.

If you flash roms, go for moto G. If not, go for Mi4i

whyzee said:
IMO SD800 is the better option. Here's a couple of reasons why:
* big.little is relatively new tech and needs more time to mature. It might look good on both performance and battery life fronts on paper maybe, but is there really any one phone in the market currently that beats current SD80X in both performance and battery life? (GSMArena's reviews suggest that Xperia Z3C is the recent gen phone that scores solidly on both counts and it runs on a SD801. One other phone with a better battery is the OnePlus One which also runs on the same chip.). The funniest thing that I find about SD615 is that big.little is supposed to bring two architechtures together as it was demoed using Cortex A-15 & A-7 clusters, but both clusters of SD615 are A-53 (A53 = 64bit A7).
* Both SD80x and SD615 are build on the same 28nm process. The HPM process also supports ultra-low modes which LP doesn't. More here: http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
* SD80x can give you both performance (on >2Ghz) and battery life (when underclocked) though not at the same time.
* Finally the Adreno 405 on SD615 is less powerful that the Adreno 330 on SD80x.
These are just a few reasons that came to mind. I am sure that I can find many more reasons if I looked around a bit more.
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Sorry about the architecture comparison, i had the idea that the newer 615's and alike were not 28nm.
Still, does the 615 heat up as much, or faster than the 800 on the Mi3? I'd like to know more about that, because what i was saying was, the 800's are more powerful, but they heat up fast, so in some heavy tasks, they get capped pretty fast...
So unless you put it in "performance", the CPU and GPU will be put on lower freqs in just a few minutes of gaming for example...

JBolho said:
Sorry about the architecture comparison, i had the idea that the newer 615's and alike were not 28nm.
Still, does the 615 heat up as much, or faster than the 800 on the Mi3? I'd like to know more about that, because what i was saying was, the 800's are more powerful, but they heat up fast, so in some heavy tasks, they get capped pretty fast...
So unless you put it in "performance", the CPU and GPU will be put on lower freqs in just a few minutes of gaming for example...
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No probs. Here's a cpu frequency graph of Mi3 on MIUIv6 running at 100% load for 5 minutes.
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You can see that throttling is not as bad as earliest SD800 in Nexus 5 and Note 3. This is because the 8274AB is actually the 3g version of 8974AB v3 a.k.a. SD801. More info here and here.
Bonus: Mi4i also suffers from overheating back. Video here

If anyone is wondering, I did get the Mi3 and it totally rocks!