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Since Project Butter was announced as groundbreaking for Android devices, it would be good to know what the community thinks about it as the official JB ROMs have launched.
Please provide your input as a casual user and your day-to-day experience, and also as a more techie user or a developer.
The intent is to provide Samsung, if they still lurk on XDA, feedback on how they can improve future development to make Android really smooth, even though the UI is not treated with priority, as it is on iOS.
As far as I am concerned, I didn't notice any difference from ICS to JB on a stock ROM; essentially, Project Butter doesn't exist for my device. The device still stutters where it did on ICS.
4.1.2 JB LSZ Ultimate 5.2 ROM, KSO Modem, Phil's LSZ kernel, Carrier: AT&T (US)
incisivekeith said:
As far as I am concerned, I didn't notice any difference from ICS to JB on a stock ROM; essentially, Project Butter doesn't exist for my device. The device still stutters where it did on ICS.
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I would agree with your assessment. I think that the stock JB is very stable, however there is no noticeable difference in speed compared with, say, LRQ.
When I press "contacts" or "phone" button, there is still a lag. My understanding of project butter (rightly or wrongly) was that these kind of lags are supposed to be almost eliminated.
Interestingly, when my wife's galaxy S was running slimbean 3.0, it was close to what I expected "project butter" to deliver. However I reverted her SGS back to ICS due to stability issues.
edit- I'm on LM5
edit 2 - Interesting that 90 people have viewed this thread so far, and nobody has disagreed with Incisivekeith's review. Perhaps we can conclude that "project butter" is not included in LSZ or LM5.
To my mind, Project Butter means an entirely GPU accelerated UI. That is what explain this "buttery" feeling when you drag down the notification bar, when you scroll in the browser, etc..
It is certainly activated in our JB roms, because if it was not the case, the rom would be much more laggier, and touch wiz would be the pain it has ever been since the Galaxy S.
However, I'm sure our PB is a far less efficient one than used in the nexii phones. You can easily tell, there are still some lag in the appearance of the notification bar (when opening an app, laoding something..), and the whole feeling is absolutely not like any Apple device (that I despise, of course ).
I have none of the technical skills to give a more detailed answer, but I remain amazed by the fact our devices are not free of any lag, in spite of their double core, big GPU, 1gb RAM etc...
To realize project butter you need a high speed camera. If you running heavily skinned OS has TW you will tend to see some lags. Remember Our note is almost year and half old....
Project Butter and How it Works
Galaxtus said:
To realize project butter you need a high speed camera. If you running heavily skinned OS has TW you will tend to see some lags. Remember Our note is almost year and half old....
Project Butter and How it Works
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Thanks for the link !
But we don't have the choice, i don't think any android AOSP/AOKP rom includes project butter, am I wrong ? These roms feel more laggy than any touchwiz rom, though they also feel lighter. And it's a shame (I blame samsung) because they are innovative and functionnal.
AW: Is Project Butter effective on the Galaxy Note?
As far as I understand, pb is not an acceleration for the hole system, but an acceleration for gui: no micro-lags in launcher, scrolling in Browser and apps. And it does really better, than ics for me. Just compare xda app on both systems and you'll understand what I mean
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crash-petard said:
Thanks for the link !
But we don't have the choice, i don't think any android AOSP/AOKP rom includes project butter, am I wrong ? These roms feel more laggy than any touchwiz rom, though they also feel lighter. And it's a shame (I blame samsung) because they are innovative and functionnal.
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I tend to disagree on the part which states that these AOSP/AOKP ROMs feel more laggy than TW ROMs. As of today, I run Asylum ROM 25/02 which includes major improvements concerning the overall UI experience. It is snappy and smooth. I do explicitly avoid the term "buttery smooth" as it is misleading.
They are not finished products, that's for sure-but being heavily developed. :thumbup:
Any TW ROM running 4.1.2 won't be "buttery smooth" neither, whereas the leaked 4.2.1 ROM for the S3 already showed improvement and thus where helpful to update the Mali blobs for CM10.1, which are successfully implemented. They do work nicely!
If permitted to ask: when did you last try out an AOSP/CM ROM?
Side note: if you blame Samsung, you're always right! I fully agree.
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To realize project butter you need a high speed camera.
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I'd like to step in here, and this is entirely wrong: Project Butter was not included in jb for viewing in high speed cameras: it was mainly to reduce lag and stutteriness in Android to make the experience amazing for common, general public. Not for professional photographers.
Personally, when my one v is over clocked to 1.5 GHz and above ( and using a jelly bean ROM), the effect is mind blowing. I'd say the device comes near smooth as an iOS device, if not smoother. There are absolutely no lags and waits, and the device performs like a breeze.
Have you ever used a nexus device? That's the best implementation of a device blessed with project butter combined with the blessing of great developers of Google. I have not seen a nexus 4 lag ever. EVER.
Personally, I don't get what's it with galaxy note. I can't understand what's wrong with it to lag so much, I mean, sometimes it lags more than my one v which is a 1ghz single core processor ( I'm not talking about over clocking here).
I think only a professional dev can put light on this.
Sent from my One V
AA1973 said:
I tend to disagree on the part which states that these AOSP/AOKP ROMs feel more laggy than TW ROMs. As of today, I run Asylum ROM 25/02 which includes major improvements concerning the overall UI experience. It is snappy and smooth. I do explicitly avoid the term "buttery smooth" as it is misleading.
They are not finished products, that's for sure-but being heavily developed. :thumbup:
Any TW ROM running 4.1.2 won't be "buttery smooth" neither, whereas the leaked 4.2.1 ROM already showed improvement and thus where helpful to update the Mali blobs for CM10.1, which are successfully implemented. They do work nicely!
If permitted to ask: when did you last try out an AOSP/CM ROM?
Side note: if you blame Samsung, you're always right! I fully agree.
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I totally agree with you, and the fact that an incredible amount of great work is put in AOSP roms remains undeniable. As I said, I blame Samsung, and my respect for developers is unbounded.
My last try was for beerbong's paranoid android v2.99, and I've tried almost any rom in the original dev section. Still, it's been a long time since I have tried, so i'll have a look ! Of course, there are other things that make me stick to stock, SPen integration mostly (looks like there is still no way to use palm rejection in CM roms).
Anyway, I'm glad to see JB leaks help CM developers, I thought the only workaround required kernel sources.
@soham_sss
I see I'm not the only one wondering what could prevent the note from being smooth...
For me, JB is very smooth. Don't forget, that our GNote has just that little Mali GPU which has to drive this huge 1280x800px (Macbooks of 2011 have this resolution ) screen. Based on that fact, JB is buttery smooth.
I suggest to set all animation times in the developer options of your phone to 0.5 (don't forget to reboot, to get the new speeds everywhere in the OS). It makes the Note feel much quicker and more responsive.
When you are there, also try "Force GPU rendering". Every app compiled with the 2.3 SDK has the GPU rendering flag set to off, this option forces it on. I haven't found any apps that don't like this setting and crash. Also, when you google for this, you won't find any apps neither that refuse to work.
I'm very happy with JB. It's smooth and the CPU doesn't have to render anything anymore. Nice!
As I'm thorough, I tried Asylum ROM, as advised. :silly: One thing immediately stroke me : the notification bar is not smooth. It just isn't, there's a discomfort that should not be as if it was still CPU run. And I don't think I'm picky, it's a raw feeling. The rest of the rom is, indeed, pretty snappy (the browser appear much much lighter), but I really need this element of my UI to be impeccable as it come to smoothness, just like the home screens transitions.
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For me, JB is very smooth. Don't forget, that our GNote has just that little Adreno GPU which has to drive this huge 1280x800px (Macbooks of 2011 have this resolution ) screen. Based on that fact, JB is buttery smooth.
I suggest to set all animation times in the developer options of your phone to 0.5 (don't forget to reboot, to get the new speeds everywhere in the OS). It makes the Note feel much quicker and more responsive.
When you are there, also try "Force GPU rendering". Every app compiled with the 2.3 SDK has the GPU rendering flag set to off, this option forces it on. I haven't found any apps that don't like this setting and crash. Also, when you google for this, you won't find any apps neither that refuse to work.
I'm very happy with JB. It's smooth and the CPU doesn't have to render anything anymore. Nice!
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I was not aware that the Note uses Adreno? I thought it was Mali
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As I'm thorough, I tried Asylum ROM, as advised. :silly: One thing immediately stroke me : the notification bar is not smooth. It just isn't, there's a discomfort that should not be as if it was still CPU run. And I don't think I'm picky, it's a raw feeling. The rest of the rom is, indeed, pretty snappy (the browser appear much much lighter), but I really need this element of my UI to be impeccable as it come to smoothness, just like the home screens transitions.
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+1 couldnt agree more.
Ive always had nit picks with my android devices (mainly samsung, some HTC's in the past) and have always experienced some sort of lag, with stock and custom ROMs.
But, correct me if im wrong, I believe this is down to the overlay put on by these companies, they cram the devices with ridiculous amounts of bloatware and eye candy and I feel that has an effect on the overall smoothness.
Ive yet to own a pure AOSP device (such as the nexus's) but i cant recall many people complaining about them.
But I prefer the looks of TW / Sense over AOSP (and ive tried lots of AOSP ROMs) so I accept that bit of lag for the overall look and functionality of things.
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I was not aware that the Note uses Adreno? I thought it was Mali
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Oops. I will change that. Nevertheless: That GPU just isn't the fastest anymore.
And that AOSP is faster, is just normal when you don't unbloat your phone. It's the same with every other Android phone out there. Also AOSP doesn't offer multiwindow, I bet many people aren't really aware of the technical difficulties this brings with it. And therefore this phone is very smooth.
Also try tinkering with the build.prop a little.
windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec
persist.sys.use_dithering
persist.sys.use_16bpp_alpha
can help a lot with the "lag".
But I don't have any lag, so I'm not changing anything. Another thing to maybe consider: Do you have a corrupt install?
The point of this thread is to discuss whether Project Butter is effective on the Note or not, WITHOUT any modifications.
4.1.2 JB LSZ Ultimate 5.2 ROM, KSO Modem, Phil's LSZ kernel, Carrier: AT&T (US)
It isn't since AFAIK Samsung doesn't release source code for Exynos.
If those on a TW JB ROM could download and install "Epic Citadel"(preferred via WiFi as it is a 150mb package) and play the demo. I bet it won't get beyond the 40fps in high quality..
I didn't advise to install Asylum and don't quite get the point of the notification bar. As long as Samsung fails to deliver "proper+sources" we won't get the real "butter" experience.
Apparently the leaked S3 ROM based on 4.2.1 went into a better direction as some Mali blobs could be used, but close to nothing from the 4.1.2 ROMs...
@incisivekeith It may be "project better", but not project butter.
All we need is the official source code and then everyone will be happy n_n
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soham_sss said:
I'd like to step in here, and this is entirely wrong: Project Butter was not included in jb for viewing in high speed cameras: it was mainly to reduce lag and stutteriness in Android to make the experience amazing for common, general public. Not for professional photographers.
Personally, when my one v is over clocked to 1.5 GHz and above ( and using a jelly bean ROM), the effect is mind blowing. I'd say the device comes near smooth as an iOS device, if not smoother. There are absolutely no lags and waits, and the device performs like a breeze.
Have you ever used a nexus device? That's the best implementation of a device blessed with project butter combined with the blessing of great developers of Google. I have not seen a nexus 4 lag ever. EVER.
Personally, I don't get what's it with galaxy note. I can't understand what's wrong with it to lag so much, I mean, sometimes it lags more than my one v which is a 1ghz single core processor ( I'm not talking about over clocking here).
I think only a professional dev can put light on this.
Sent from my One V
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First of all this is not one v thread or an iOS speed competition. Different devices get different sources to work with. So it doesnt mean that one v is superior. I am happy that at least cm team is giving us nice smooth, fast and daily ROM. TW is for noobs. I don't care about other devices or bull**** until I choose them personally. High speed camera was just for fun...
Cheers from Hell.... :sly:
once you remove bloatedstuff, like automated test, and about 30 others, own risk, reboot, flush cache/dalvik, you will notice considerable improvement, most of the time, but yeah it still stutters sometime.
damn endless tweaking, dont forget some to disable some triggers on boot fo apps you only need on demand.
all own risk buddies
The title says it all!
I wanted to hear about you guys about how satisfied are you with your Optimus 4x HD ! Say if it matched your initial expectations, long term satisfaction, if you still feel its fresh and not obsolete, how happy are you with LG's support to the phone and if you regret or not having bought it. Oh , and if you feel your battery performance is as good as in the first days !
Bring the debate on !
Hey . I really feel its a better device than it was at the beggining. Everything is more smooth and faster. I prefer official cm sources over p880-dev but the strength goes from those second and there is future. Even if official sources gives fluidity etc i hope p880-dev sources will be fixed from all bugs if it is possible.
I agree. There was a period when Android 4.3 came out until early Android 4.4 (until Demetris got in charge of CM) that I was very desperate and I was thinking of replacing my p880 with something else.
The thing is, now it becomes better and better by the day. Especially with Official CM. It has got to a point that CM11 is smoother and generally better than stock.
Now that we're getting M builds (reference: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55447963 ) I expect that we can finally have something even more stable and reliable than ever!
I think I could keep using this phone until we stop getting official CM support (or until it breaks )
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I agree. There was a period when Android 4.3 came out until early Android 4.4 (until Demetris got in charge of CM) that I was very desperate and I was thinking of replacing my p880 with something else.
The thing is, now it becomes better and better by the day. Especially with Official CM. It has got to a point that CM11 is smoother and generally better than stock.
Now that we're getting M builds (reference: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55447963 ) I expect that we can finally have something even more stable and reliable than ever!
I think I could keep using this phone until we stop getting official CM support (or until it breaks )
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Really? I've been feeling exactly the opposite, but I'm using slim bean 4.2.2 because of the battery drain ive experiencied with other roms... What are you using now ? (rom , kernel , special apps )
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Really? I've been feeling exactly the opposite, but I'm using slim bean 4.2.2 because of the battery drain ive experiencied with other roms... What are you using now ? (rom , kernel , special apps )
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Oh yeah, battery drain is definitely higher on everything 4.2+
I'm using what my signature says, but I don't mind charging my phone a lot. It usually makes throughout a whole day (barely). Sometimes it doesn't.
I'm not using any special apps for the time being. I used to use Tegra Overclock, but since I stopped using iodak/cyodak, I don't really need it.
If battery is something that you're really concerned about, stay on 4.2. Otherwise, if you're willing to sacrifice some of that in order to get performance, features and the latest version of android, Official CM is worth checking out!
For me it is another time the community is great.
2 years ago, the stock LG was crap, locked bootloader etc...
Now, CM11 is starting to work correctly (i mean, all the bugs are fixed, and we could enjoy a really different experience), OmniRom, and a lot of others.
I'm simply angry LG did not support / open source everything they could after 6 / 8 months. The smartphone is not updated after this time, and some spent hours of hacks to make it supported.
Kudos Demetris, Lauffenstepenwolf, Adam77 and others.
Graveen said:
For me it is another time the community is great.
2 years ago, the stock LG was crap, locked bootloader etc...
Now, CM11 is starting to work correctly (i mean, all the bugs are fixed, and we could enjoy a really different experience), OmniRom, and a lot of others.
I'm simply angry LG did not support / open source everything they could after 6 / 8 months. The smartphone is not updated after this time, and some spent hours of hacks to make it supported.
Kudos Demetris, Lauffenstepenwolf, Adam77 and others.
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Totally agree with you. The official support of our phone was crap, without the development of our great developers I think I would have ditched this phone long ago. After 1.5 yrs of using the phone, I think custom rom is the major force that keep 4x users, while official JB just drive them away.
I am satisfied, but the device is nearing end of its life cycle for me. I knew if i chose this device, I'd choose good hardware for lackluster official software support, so I hoped for an active devs to bring us latest android builds bugfree, and that's what they did, to everyones delight ;p
Flashed device 1/2 hour after I purchased it. Original LG ROM was awfull. Worked fine on cm10, works even better on the new cm11 snapshot. Thanks @Demetris I'll gonna keep p880 as long as it will work
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im no so happy because battery life terrible, gps is terrible, camra like 5 mpx
The battery is really bad, the phone is not as smooth as is should be, APN not very good...
I use it since 2 years, and at the end of the year i will change it !
Probably for a Nexus 5, or Xperia Z1, Moto X (2013) or OnePlus One
But thanks to this amazing community :victory:
Yeah same here, terrible battery, constant lags, touchscreen accuracy issues and a lot of little things that ultimately add up to make for an awful experience all around.
Can't wait for the OnePlus One to get officially released without the need of an invitiation so I can leave this pile of trash and regret behind.
Now to be fair to the devs, ROMs have improved a great deal recently but no piece of software in this world can save this phone.
Only good thing is that you can use it as a hand-warmer in the winter since it always gets so hot.
Apart from battery life, and ultra weak camera, i like the phone...design is good, screen is good, performs well for me.
But battery and camera are MAJOR flaws. i will change this phone as soon as i can.
I have had my Optimus 4X for almost 2 years (will be 2 years at end Oct)
Initial Expectations
Yes it did meet them when I bought the phone. It was fast had an awesome screen removable battery and removable storage.
It has also been brilliant at streaming media to/from compatible devices and plays most types of media files
2 years later does it meet expectations? The phone does what I need it to do but sometimes is a bit frustrating when it wants to pause/freeze so no it is not quite meeting my expectations atm
Long Term Satisfaction
After LG dropped software support and concentrated on their G2 and G3 I'll admit I did feel my device was feeling a little obsolete!! But I have a Galaxy S and S2 running KitKat and will be installing custom ROMs on my LG soon to bring it back up to date and give it a new lease of life
It's quite rugged taking a few drops with little or just bezel chips
Camera - Takes good quality pictures and video
Battery life isn't anywhere near as good - it's been rinsing the battery especially during gaming.
Bad bits
LG support, yes I have had to send it back at LG's expense but the lack of software support doesn't fill me with confidence!!
Camera takes a whilst to get ready to shoot
Phone can warm up a fair bit espec during some games
There have been times I have almost regretted buying it but having a think about it - No I don't regret it
its ****,
- some plastic lost here and there, power button 50% unresponsive, and 60C when watching videos
but i love it. yeah, this thing has a soul
My 4X looks like new after 1,5 years use. Screen have no any scratch but battery life is shorter about 40%. I always carry it in my pocket without any case. I think that was the best choice for this amount of money.
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Yo estoy muy muy contento con el 4x. Uso la rom de Zaiben que es perfecta para mi. Saludos
For me it is still a nice device.
Even battery works like others of my friends.
(but I use profiles either with pure 2G for telephony and battery saving or 3G-only for surfing)
We have newest ROM state and still 4-5 cores are state-of-the-art and only LTE is missing.
Camera ist working OK, but not high-end
and GPS sometimes great and sometimes bit "curious".
Overall , I am still happy and will wait for bigger differences to newest phones in the market until I will switch.
So, lets hope for further support on our custom-side ... :fingers-crossed:
After 2 years still looks like new device, very satisfied, I am playing with ROMs (MoKee, Beanstalk, Vanir, Nameless, ATM on ZAIBEN RC16), for the time 2 years ago on my opinion best buy device!
Looking forward on new Beanstalk ! :victory::fingers-crossed:
It's okay, just that it gets lagging and heats up very fast.
Using Vanir nightlies and battery drains fast. Looks like time for a replacement battery =(
Hi there,
This thread is an experiment, so far no "best ROM" threads were allowed on XDA. They've all led to flaming and mindless fanboyism. So to keep this clean, here's what a good post would look like:
[Name of the rom you're talking about, preferably link to the thread]
[How long have you been using it, with what kernel, how you use your phone]
[Pros of the ROM, features you use ( etc. Active Display, Locksreen Notifications)]
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[Few words from you, overall experience]
[Eventually, comparison with other ROM you used]
BTW: No need to use brackets, they're there to show you the layout. KEEP POSTS CLOSE TO THE LAYOUT !
MOST IMPORTANT THING : Things like " this rom sucks !!! it lags like hell !! battery drain !! Oh god it's so bad" are NOT a good criticism ! GOOD criticism would be "CPU keeps being stuck at low frequency sometimes, there's no trace of it in logs, I've checked my wakelocks but battery is still poor" . If you say " This rom is unstable" say what bugs you encoutered ! If you say "it has many great features ", say what features you use !
The point of this thread is to let other users know what to expect of each ROM, let them see differences between them. Not to make them confused because everyone says "XYZ is the best !! flash itt !!! "
Seriously guys... Don't write anything like this... just don't.
Be good users and thread is here to stay, be reckless and it will be prohibited once more ! Also, our device ROMs only !
So lemme start
Official Cyanogenmod 11 nightlies
I've been using it for around month now, with stock kernel, updating daily with every nightlie.
Pros:
-The most stable ROM for me. It has much less freezes and lags then other. Basically my phone dislikes p880-dev based ROMs, I believe it is faulty, other user report no such problems as mine.
-No CPU cores freezing at minimum frequiency ( again , problem that seems to affect me and only me :/ )
-Fast unlock times
-Demetris is doing hell of job, nearly every nightly updates kernel for our device with serious tweaks and fixes !
-For me, not even a single bug found !
Cons:
-Not the most feature rich, but has the basics
-No crazy optimization (Linaro, -O3, custom toolchains etc) but this is a minor thing, not really noticable
So I've been using this because my phone is somehow very unstable ( something is wrong with it ) and this ROM gives me stability to use it as a daily driver.
Alright, my turn
I'm running SlimKat
I've been running it for..... dunno... as soon as we had CM11 up and running properly
Am running my own kernel (none of the official (released) ones, though )
Pros
Beautiful UI (Dark Slim, reduced density,...)
Nice features (like SlimPie or heads-up)
Not resource hungry (Low RAM usage from framework)
Good performance
Grouper blobs
Cons
Some bugs here and there (But AFAIK they're all my own fault )
Now, a general info about this thread:
We are from now on allowing ROM comparison threads (at least for now, we are going to revisit this decision sometime later). But, comments like "xyzROM sux, abcROM iz da best!!!" are of no use, and can/will be considered spamming. I guess we're all mature enough to have a normal conversation without insulting other devs.
So please, let's keep it fact based
Greetings from Spain.
The best stock, Zaiden. Fast, stable, everything works fine, perfectly.
I've spent a week with nameless, well overall, although sometimes it freezes and gave lag, but fine. I think with the CM kernel v.10 Iodak do better, I think.
Today I put the CM11 nightly, 29/09, and was pleasantly surprised, very well. Super fast at all.
I am very new to the rom and although I have to use Google Translate, I learn a lot in this forum.
greetings
For me Beanstalk and Liquid Smooth's KitKat versions have performed the better, for Beanstalk i used the Werewolf Kernel since it's the one i normally use when i flash custom roms and has always given me the least issues with a good performance, but has its crashes as usual and camera wasn't recording at all. Recently i flashed Liquid Smooth and am working with its stock kernel, it performs very good, i don't play big graphics games i think (Clash of Clans and Tiny Death Star aren't exactly the most demanding games for android) but it hasn't crashed, no crazy reboots, apps don't error and fail close and also has a regular battery life which is hard to come by when flashing custom ROMs normally.
Just started using the Lego Rom. It's really nice. Also, "Your phone is now bricked" made me laugh
I really like the kernel tweak tool. I've been playing around with the settings to see how much on screen time I can squeeze out of my battery still on stock kernel. I'm thinking of trying out Wolf's kernel eventually.
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I want to try lego but it hasnt been updated for 3 months.
Sent from my Optimus 4X HD
Try it, it's pretty sweet. I think wolf said he would be back to continue it's development, and that he's just busy. The only thing that I found doesn't work, is taking a snapshot, and when you turn the phone on it's side, sometimes the messeges screen gets messed up, but other than that, everything works for me
Without tweaking the kernel, I got 3 hours of on screen time. I had wi-fi on the whole time, browsed reddit, and was messeging a lot.
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It is better zaiben or magic rom for life battery?
I'm on Mahdi (1 Dec 2014) stock kernel
Pros:
- LED Notifications (best feature for any ROM)
- Pretty close to stock with features like OmniSwitch witch I dont use
- Battery friendly (~3h on-screen, wifi on most of the time, 2g mode, gps on most of the time) and most of the time fluid
Cons:
- Sometimes it hangs when loading/using apps (if they are updating it gets even worse)
- Sometimes it needs a day to unlock (screen doesnt wake up)
Is there a solid comparison of the 3 main OS's, what's the preference and why?
(I've looked and can't really find one)
I'm on Lollipop right now and kind of miss KitKat for some reason.
KK I think was simpler somehow letting it run a bit cleaner without so much background noise yet just as functional as LP and MM, it feels like Sony put more effort into catering KK for the Z3 than LP or MM.
LP seems the most refined and polished, and does have more optimizations, I'm getting great antutu scores with it using slim 4.1 with some additional tweaks.
MM still haven't tried the latest and greatest, still seems like too much work to get it to where I would like it with these half baked releases and problems and functional losses I keep reading about.
I get that with each release most of us get excited (myself included) to try the latest and greatest thinking it's going to be an improvement, but what has actually improved and what has been lost? KK was stable with a few extra audio features had good start-up times and seemed snappier even though Antutu tells me LP is better and then there's Marshmallow...
What's your opinion? Any good threads I missed covering this topic?
scutterflux said:
Is there a solid comparison of the 3 main OS's, what's the preference and why?
(I've looked and can't really find one)
I'm on Lollipop right now and kind of miss KitKat for some reason.
KK I think was simpler somehow letting it run a bit cleaner without so much background noise yet just as functional as LP and MM, it feels like Sony put more effort into catering KK for the Z3 than LP or MM.
LP seems the most refined and polished, and does have more optimizations, I'm getting great antutu scores with it using slim 4.1 with some additional tweaks.
MM still haven't tried the latest and greatest, still seems like too much work to get it to where I would like it with these half baked releases and problems and functional losses I keep reading about.
I get that with each release most of us get excited (myself included) to try the latest and greatest thinking it's going to be an improvement, but what has actually improved and what has been lost? KK was stable with a few extra audio features had good start-up times and seemed snappier even though Antutu tells me LP is better and then there's Marshmallow...
What's your opinion? Any good threads I missed covering this topic?
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I kind of miss KitKat too and I did go back for a while, the reason I came back to MM Concept is because KitKat isn't perfect either. The notifications are miles better on LP and MM.
I agree that KitKat was simpler and Android 4.4.4 is probably my favorite version.
Antuntu and other benchmarks don't mean anything for daily use unless you play 3d games. There are videos on you tube showing that kitkat is faster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx06yJMVT-U
Faster boot on kitkat was due to Dalvik, since Android 5.0 default runtime is ART. But I don't see why is that important, we don't boot our phone 10 times per day, do we?
I don't think there is a discussion on the forums about this, I would like to se it too but I think that people just jump to latest and greatest software...
Month ago I had Xperia Play wit GingerBread, now I have Z3C wit LP. I've tried LP and MM deeper. It's a big difference from GB. KK is much closer to GB, more "classic Android". Lolipop has much better SystemUI and almost all modifications is for LP. For KK there is only few mods for sound and that's all. I like KK cause backward compatibility too. On newer Android many older games like FIFA 12 are unplayable.
Time for Marshmallow will come in future. Today I don't see any advantage to use Android 6. There are no apps or games requiring it. Almost all apps want max 4.4. Speed or multitasking is in my opinion the same in all of the three versions - honestly Z3C has too much power that few percent in terms of performance is useless. The only reason to use MM is Xperia X camera framework in SLIMM 1.9 ROM (but this version is too buggy) - on the other hand, for Lolipop there are Z5 camera files.
Generaly the best from these three is (in my opinion) Lolipop. It looks nice, it's "reskined" Kittkat with some new and better features, has biggest fan support, it's stable, fast and complete - all features working as they should and nothing is missing. Almost all Xposed modules are compatible or has version that is compatible with Lolipop. Marhsmallow breaks the classic - some features are on different places, are little bit different at all and some of them aren't there completely (stamina - in latest build is only "something" like stamina; Dualshock 3 support and so on). There is to much to improve. Kittkat is for old school users, which want better compatibility with older apps or want to play SHIELD games, cause they don't run on Lolipop or Marshmallow in my case.
I just installed KK for a go, and it's pretty snappy, I don't miss lockscreen notifications from LP because I don't use them. All the functions I use are still there and with Xperia Xposed all the UI tweaks I like are still available. I'm not sure I'll notice an improvement in battery life because it was still pretty good on LP but I'll watch for that as most reports tend to favour KK in this department. I was thinking about what you (Miicheall) said about gaming, and there's this game I've been wanting to try for awhile (Army of Darkness Defence) and could never get it to work on LP, so I just installed it on KK and hey what do you know it works!
I have to correct myself - SHIELD games like Half-Life 2 or Portal are playable on Lollipop - on MM not. Many games working on KK but on higher version not. So good luck and have fun
KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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LP Is very stable, battery is great if you decide to take effort and install greenify and limit app permissions and wakelocks. Marshmallow honestly at this point is not that good with most users reporting the Doze feature being somewhat useless
You're having a laugh LP was the worst OS update by Google for some time, it's been beset with nothing but trouble.
I know this is not the norm according to reports but monitoring battery usage with 3c toolbox LP in idle is drawing less ma than KK in idle, both are set up with stamina... same settings with sync, gps, and lte off, about 50% brightness... Go figure. I'm using both with Moly82'm debloated versions for comparison so that could have something to do with it. LP shows about 100 more apps when booting VS moly82's KK version too so that isn't factoring in as an advantage with battery life.
I'm also liking the ability for 32-bit audio output in lollipop which is wonderful and does make an audible improvement with Neutron, Camera mods for lollipop are better as far as I can tell, however now I can't play that Army of Darkness game.
I tried some MM versions and I hate the swipe for app search feature and the mods and tweaks I like aren't there yet so I will continue to wait on that, but it does seem like the smoothest version of all.
They are all giving me problems with the stock email attachment feature, is there something wrong with an update or something?
I held onto KK as long as possible until my phone had to be sent in for warranty due to a speaker failure. The Sony repair center loaded the latest version of LP onto my phone and it was actually bug free (unlike the early versions). However, it never had the battery life of KK. When using the phone, it had the same rate of battery drain as KK, but when idle, it seemed to drain twice as fast as KK. It seemed like Stamina mode in LP only gave me the equivalent battery life of KK without Stamina mode. SO, with KK, I could get 2 days of usage without stamina, and nearly 4 days with it. Both of those numbers were cut in half with LP.
I put up with it for as long as I could though until about two weeks ago. I finally flashed KK onto my phone again and WOW, it is refreshing to no longer worry about my battery throughout the day. Plus, the pull down notification menu in KK is way better! It's so annoying to have to swipe down twice in LP/MM/N. Plus, ticker style notifications are far less intrusive than the banner style in LP/MM/N. Finally, I just like the black background with white text that is displayed in the pull down menu. It seems so much cleaner to me than the grayish-green that LP/MM/N uses.
The one thing I miss about LP is the banner notification for phone calls when you're using the device. KK takes over the whole screen and is very intrusive. I downloaded an app that tries to mimic this LP feature, but it only works 80% of the time. I still plan to stick with KK until I upgrade to a new device in 2017.
techguyone said:
KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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Which are the sd card restrictions you mentioned?! I'm using my sd card without problems on Kitkat (for a week now) and I do only care about the mass storage mode,a feature that is provided on both KK and MM versions.
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Which are the sd card restrictions you mentioned?! I'm using my sd card without problems on Kitkat (for a week now) and I do only care about the mass storage mode,a feature that is provided on both KK and MM versions.
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Only system apps can write to the external SD card for some reason in KitKat unless you're rooted.
I definitely think KK has the best battery and is the most stable, but I wish there were more (or any, really) camera mods for it. You have to be on at least LP for there to be any decent mods, although I do think KK has the smoothest image stabilization for video recording. However, image quality takes a big hit.
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Hadn't mentioned that, guess I don't need this one. Kitkat still runs smoothly by the way.
So given that there are camera mods only for LP and MM - which OS has given you the best battery performance in your experience?
Isn't it worth upgrading to MM just to be sure to have all latest security patches?
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So given that there are camera mods only for LP and MM - which OS has given you the best battery performance in your experience?
Isn't it worth upgrading to MM just to be sure to have all latest security patches?
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For me MM is the way to go, just flash any of custom stock based MM roms and run slimcore debloat, I'm having great battery performance lasting me whole day (i get 4-6h of sof with 70% of that beeing youtube) and it seems like the most fluid and eye pleasing experience, and for camera mods, I would only suggest unlocked camera, others are kinda gimmicky, but best and only way to find out what suits you is to try it yourself, you can see that in this thread only we have a lot of divided opinions.
Good luck
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All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.
jdd1996 said:
All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.
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I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?
glofern97 said:
I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?
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Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society
Please, can anyone who's installed this ROM report on whether or not manual camera controls (technically referred to as camera2 API) are available on this ROM either while using a 3rd party camera app (like Manual Camera, Open Camera, etc) or the LOS camera.
I'm considering going from MIUI 12.5 on Redmi 9A to this ROM.
Thanks.
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Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society
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I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?
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I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?
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I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
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I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
forum.xda-developers.com
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It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!
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It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!
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I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negated ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
If we do lsmod on the terminal with root. This phone has wmt_chrdev_wifi - wmt_drv which are actually Linux generic conventional names for wifi chips/drivers -- This obfuscated wifi chip/driver name could actually be a
" MT6631 wifi chip " OR " WCN685x " or " mt7615 " either way this chipset could be from 2012-2013, so they placed a 2012 piece on a 2020 phone. The fact that simple commands dont work
mt6357_accdet is actually the name of the IC controller for LED screen and battery.
If we do getprop | grep baseband
The RADIO for SIM CARD, is called LCSH_QOMP1_MT6762_SP (LWCTG_6177M_G)
But everything is so obfuscated and hidden, closed source.
Either way other Older Wifi Chipsets are 2-8 times better than this one. 2014 wifi chip with monitor mode - mt7612 - 5 times stronger. You know why they placed an older chip without mon mode on a new phone? Cuz they know it can get dangerous, but thats not the right approach with us. They messed up big time. They're winning enemies. Witchcraft. They have no idea what HACKING - PROGRAMMING truly means, or how far it can go, once we hack existence and the Soul, we program reality further than the physical and the visual, we're gonna be on the real domain.
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I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negative ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
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Interesting way to look at it. Seeing phones as a political strategy of customer control and profiting out of their data. I hadn't thought this way, but makes sense lol After all, Chinese government is all about limiting and controlling people...
It seems your use case is different than mine. I bought this phone only because I was needing a dual-chip phone for my daily usage (Galaxy S6 is single chip), and it was on a promotion. I had heard good things of Xiaomi from friends who bought their phones, although they hadn't bought this one model specifically. I would really like to use a custom ROM, but the unofficial ones aren't "bulletproof" for this device, as users have reported some bugs. It's safer to stay in the stock ROM side for the time being
I looked up on this Project Treble. Interesting stuff. They are trying to abstract away the firmware code if I understand it correctly. Does that mean that there's hope for MediaTek devices to get support in the future and work smoothly with A13 custom ROMs?
jdd1996 said:
Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone ....
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I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.
MaverickNextDoor said:
I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.
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I did some testing yesterday on another phone I have here, a Samsung Galaxy S4, which has 2GB RAM and runs on Lineage OS 18 (A11). It shouldn't be a surprise that this Galaxy S4 does way better multitasking than Redmi 9A.
I compared the usage of RAM for Android System in the Memory Usage settings app, and it turns out that they are roughly using the same amount of RAM. MIUI's use is around 600 MB, whereas Lineage OS is around 500 MB. That is, only 100 MB of difference. From that, one can assume that it's rather the processor usage that sucks: MIUI is probably using more CPU resources to run its "good-looking", yet heavy interface, whereas LineageOS doesn't, since its interface is simpler.
The downside of those older phones is that their battery drains out way faster. Redmi 9A's battery lasts for a whole day with Wi-Fi turned on. That's one upside of this phone
Lets hope for easier kernel installs, low sized and performance optimized roms in the future. I suggest waiting, for Android 14-15. When the projects and batches are out patched, improved, tested, we can then cater. Yes the phone boots at least haha. 2Gb ram, Helio 25 ! arm32_binder64 - A64 bits !
Maksieku.Tech said:
WHAT WORKS?:
-Wi-Fi - vendor q needed
-BlueTooth - vendor q needed
-RIL
-GPS
-- WHAT DOESN'T WORK? --
Smoothness, thats it
if there are more bugs please report themOfficial LineageOS Site: lineageos.orgH O W T O C L E A N I N S T A L L
1. Use Reccomended recovery (OrangeFox)
2. Wipe Cache & Dalvik data
3. and Format Data
4. Flash vendor Q
5. Flash ROM
6. Reboot
(optional) 7. After Configuring (or turning on the OS) install GAPPS in recovery.
Hope it works
DOWNLOAD LINKS:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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wich gapps i need to install
AlphaJF972 said:
wich gapps i need to install
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I used BiTGapps, works perfectly
Maksieku.Tech said:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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Where I can get device tree sources to build it from source?
Want to fix some bugs and rebuild for vendor R