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Might be getting a Raider, anything negative I should know? Pluses?

Might be upgrading from an Atrix to a Raider in the next few days.
Any known issues with the Raider?
(like the Sensation's screen dust issue, etc.)
Biggest complaints?
What about this phone makes you recommend it? (..that is if you do even recommend it lol)

Wond3r said:
Any known issues with the Raider?
(like the Sensation's screen dust issue, etc.)
Biggest complaints?
What about this phone makes you recommend it? (..that is if you do even recommend it lol)
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Not really. The only thing I get on occasion is that my LCD's colors will randomly wash out for 5 minutes or so for no good reason. Still readable, but just washed out.
Development community is not exceptionally large and neither AOSP nor Sense 4 has been ported. Likewise, whatever carrier you're on probably has better phones on offer nowadays.
It's a fine phone, sure. But if you're in the market to get a phone now, you're much better off getting the One X( or the One XL if you need/want LTE connectivity). And of course, there is the forthcoming SGS3. (Read: I don't currently recommend this phone.)

Aus_Azn said:
Not really. The only thing I get on occasion is that my LCD's colors will randomly wash out for 5 minutes or so for no good reason. Still readable, but just washed out.
Development community is not exceptionally large and neither AOSP nor Sense 4 has been ported. Likewise, whatever carrier you're on probably has better phones on offer nowadays.
It's a fine phone, sure. But if you're in the market to get a phone now, you're much better off getting the One X( or the One XL if you need/want LTE connectivity). And of course, there is the forthcoming SGS3. (Read: I don't currently recommend this phone.)
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I notice the Android development section seems pretty small, even compared to the Atrix.
As far as better phones from my carrier- there are better ones but this would be buying from someone used for a great price. I am not trying to re-new my contract with my carrier right now

It's a great device
Headphones might disconnect with any type of movements even a deep breath otherwise I'm happy with it
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using XDA

Wond3r said:
I notice the Android development section seems pretty small, even compared to the Atrix.
As far as better phones from my carrier- there are better ones but this would be buying from someone used for a great price. I am not trying to re-new my contract with my carrier right now
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This device's dev section has been through its trials and tribulations. Coupled with some ham-fisted modding, I think it's not going to grow any larger than it is now.
I did not know that you were going to get the device second-hand. I was just under the presumption that you were going to walk into a store and pick up the device new, as I would not have been able to recommend this over a new A-grade offering.
In this case, it's a fine phone. Unlike my OG SGS, the phone holds a charge, has a beautiful UI, and I really didn't feel bad about not having root or S-Off. Sure, I rooted and S-Off-ed, but I didn't find it especially necessary. Even specwise, it's not far off of the current generation of devices, really only lacking due to the Snapdragon S3 (vs any of the other offerings of today) and the screen (at a "measly" qHD instead of 720p).
I haven't really had any problems besides the screen thing, nor have I had the headphone issue that come at me bro has.
My basic verdict is this: If you're a tinkerer/flashaholic, you might want to look at an SGS2 instead. If you like a phone that works right out of the box, look no further.

Aus_Azn said:
This device's dev section has been through its trials and tribulations. Coupled with some ham-fisted modding, I think it's not going to grow any larger than it is now.
I did not know that you were going to get the device second-hand. I was just under the presumption that you were going to walk into a store and pick up the device new, as I would not have been able to recommend this over a new A-grade offering.
In this case, it's a fine phone. Unlike my OG SGS, the phone holds a charge, has a beautiful UI, and I really didn't feel bad about not having root or S-Off. Sure, I rooted and S-Off-ed, but I didn't find it especially necessary. Even specwise, it's not far off of the current generation of devices, really only lacking due to the Snapdragon S3 (vs any of the other offerings of today) and the screen (at a "measly" qHD instead of 720p).
I haven't really had any problems besides the screen thing, nor have I had the headphone issue that come at me bro has.
My basic verdict is this: If you're a tinkerer/flashaholic, you might want to look at an SGS2 instead. If you like a phone that works right out of the box, look no further.
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I should have mentioned I would not be getting it brand new in the original post.
I had a SGS2 at the same time as my Atrix, I ended up selling it (great device though, also the resolution of the qhd of the atrix was nicer).
It seems like there isnt too much to complain about this phone.
Will it be getting ICS soon? I would look forward to that.
How about sense 3.5 (or at least just the amaze 3.5 camera) I dont want to flash one of these non-official ICS because I havent seen any for any device that is very stable and wont require me flashing every new version for it to be stable.
I do like to mod the phone but if like you mention the phone performs well without the need of a custom ROM, I would just keep the official ROM on it. I would like to root for titanium backup and setcpu control though.

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Will it be getting ICS soon? I would look forward to that.
How about sense 3.5 (or at least just the amaze 3.5 camera) I dont want to flash one of these non-official ICS because I havent seen any for any device that is very stable and wont require me flashing every new version for it to be stable.
I do like to mod the phone but if like you mention the phone performs well without the need of a custom ROM, I would just keep the official ROM on it. I would like to root for titanium backup and setcpu control though.
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If you're talking Raider, I'm presuming you're either Canadian, European, or South Korean.
AFAIK, South Korea's ICS has been CANCELLED. As for Europe and Canada's, nobody has heard a peep from the carriers or HTC. Safe to say, no.
The "non-official ICS" builds you see here ARE official HTC ICS Sense 3.6 builds; they're just built for the identical Telstra Velocity or AT&T Vivid, which have the exact same internals and function interchangeably (LTE support included). Provided that you S-Off (which instantly and irrevocably voids the warranty, as you have to interact with the circuit board), it's very easy to put ICS on in fully functioning capability.
Sense 3.5 can be found in GB ROMs like HoliRaider, which only need your bootloader to be unlocked, and a recovery to be flashed.
Rooting is ezmode. Just HTCdev unlock your bootloader, flash a recovery, and use the zergrush exploit. Search the forums for anything you don't understand.

Aus_Azn said:
If you're talking Raider, I'm presuming you're either Canadian, European, or South Korean.
AFAIK, South Korea's ICS has been CANCELLED. As for Europe and Canada's, nobody has heard a peep from the carriers or HTC. Safe to say, no.
The "non-official ICS" builds you see here ARE official HTC ICS Sense 3.6 builds; they're just built for the identical Telstra Velocity or AT&T Vivid, which have the exact same internals and function interchangeably (LTE support included). Provided that you S-Off (which instantly and irrevocably voids the warranty, as you have to interact with the circuit board), it's very easy to put ICS on in fully functioning capability.
Sense 3.5 can be found in GB ROMs like HoliRaider, which only need your bootloader to be unlocked, and a recovery to be flashed.
Rooting is ezmode. Just HTCdev unlock your bootloader, flash a recovery, and use the zergrush exploit. Search the forums for anything you don't understand.
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Canadian.
Thanks a bunch for all the help.
I did not know S-OFF immediately voids the warranty. I guess if I do pick it up the first thing I can do is call HTC to see what warranty is remaining on it. If the warranty is up or just about finished than it wont make a difference.
Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty?
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It looks like Nottach's ICS can be flashed even with s-on? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586613&highlight=s-on

Wond3r said:
Canadian.
Thanks a bunch for all the help.
I did not know S-OFF immediately voids the warranty. I guess if I do pick it up the first thing I can do is call HTC to see what warranty is remaining on it. If the warranty is up or just about finished than it wont make a difference.
Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty?
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It looks like Nottach's ICS can be flashed even with s-on? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586613&highlight=s-on
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S-Off itself does not. The process to do it does, as you have to remove a panel on the back that is screwed in with a screw that has a "void" sticker on it. Of course, there are ways to circumnavigate that issue, but it's still pretty much void (they could probably tell if the screw has been used before; the black paint on it comes off really easily).
Unlocking the bootloader IIRC "limits" the amount of support that HTC can offer, but I don't think it voids the warranty outright. Might be wrong, though.
No, it can't, not for a phone other than a Telstra Velocity or AT&T Vivid. The essential thing to install ICS in the first place, is the HBOOT, which has to be ICS compatible. Other regions' Holidays don't have an updated HBOOT, and it cannot be flashed to a device from elsewhere without S-Off, as a RUU must match the model's CID. What S-Off allows you to do is to overwrite the CID with the "superCID", which then permits the flashing of any region's RUU, and the flashing of a new ICS HBOOT. At that point, then you're home free to install anything.

If I was currently in the market for a new phone, I would be waiting for the SGS 3's actual release so I could go hold one in my hand to see if it's as huge as it appears. Then I'd wait a week or so and see how the dev community is looking for it. If I hated the SGS 3 (which I'm guessing I will) then I'd go for the One X. Obviously, just my opinion.
I really do like my Vivid and the community support seems to be making a positive sweep, but there are little details of owning this phone that have me miffed. Nothing directly related to the phone itself, though.

just a heads up !!
at&t's onex's bootloader unlock is not supported by htc and as of now they say that it never will !!
htc doesn't take name for this and blames at&t for keeping the bootloader locked !
so an at&t htc onex (xl) is obviously not a developer's material !!
read more here : http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_talks_about_the_one_x_bootloader_at_t_is_to_blame-news-4211.php
and here : http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/05/att-htc-one-x-locked-bootloader/
this really sucks !

aaki_rocker said:
just a heads up !!
at&t's onex's bootloader unlock is not supported by htc and as of now they say that it never will !!
htc doesn't take name for this and blames at&t for keeping the bootloader locked !
so an at&t htc onex (xl) is obviously not a developer's material !!
read more here : http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_talks_about_the_one_x_bootloader_at_t_is_to_blame-news-4211.php
and here : http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/05/att-htc-one-x-locked-bootloader/
this really sucks !
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Well, damn there you go. This is the same thing that happened with the Vivid after its release. The Vivid and the SGS2 were released "fairly" close to each other and most jumped ship from the Vivid once it was determined the BL was locked and went with the SGS 2. I guess the One X (or any other future HTC on AT&T) is most likely destined for dev abandonment from the beginning.

Jirv311 said:
Well, damn there you go. This is the same thing that happened with the Vivid after its release. The Vivid and the SGS2 were released "fairly" close to each other and most jumped ship from the Vivid once it was determined the BL was locked and went with the SGS 2. I guess the One X (or any other future HTC on AT&T) is most likely destined for dev abandonment from the beginning.
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This is why I plan to switch to Verizon at some point. Verizon has had LTE in both my area of residence and work for a while now. AT&T? Zippo.

Just my input, I came from the inspire and bought this one outright. I wanted qHD and in my situation it will be awhile till my upgrade. Also I am still in return policy if the oneX is that much better. So far I love it (two weeks in). Screen is very nice, not sure how much better 720p will be. One very important observation is the roms I've used for the vivid so far are of very high quality, so not a lot, but quality over quantity I guess. I'm on darkraider now and I'm loving it, there's tons of customization built in. The word on the locked bootloader of the oneX has me thinking I'm gonna stick with the vivid. Also when it came to s-off I was very careful and got the sticker back on completely intact. I've never had an issue with an HTC phone so knock on wood I feel pretty safe with this one. Other than that battery life for me has been great, usually 50% at the end of the day with moderate usage, and it's very fast especially with ics, not overclocked. Overall I'm very happy with it and very sure I'm gonna keep it.
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using XDA

Aus_Azn said:
This is why I plan to switch to Verizon at some point. Verizon has had LTE in both my area of residence and work for a while now. AT&T? Zippo.
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I hear ya there. I've thought about Verizon mainly because my company would probably pick up the cost for me.

Mine will be here tomorrow. Also coming from Inspire. Got it 56$ shipped from Att (plus the 36$ upgrade fee that's added to my bill). I myself will never own anything but HTC.

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So what phones are everyone going to be coming from? I'm happy to say I won't be using my Nexus S 4G anymore. The thing was great for the time, but it's definitely showing its age now. Actually being able to take advantage of Network Vision now is gonna be great as well.

will be coming over from the evo lte.

EVO 3D. It is a solid phone but ready for something new.
Biggest worry with this phone is going to be the camera and how hard will it be to get working on ASOP or CM ROMS. This was the biggest frustration with the 3D. Finally they got the camera working but without 3D which I am fine with.

srb7215 said:
EVO 3D. It is a solid phone but ready for something new.
Biggest worry with this phone is going to be the camera and how hard will it be to get working on ASOP or CM ROMS. This was the biggest frustration with the 3D. Finally they got the camera working but without 3D which I am fine with.
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The camera on the 3D was difficult to get working because of the drivers needed because there were two cameras. If there is only one I think it would have been more straightforward as Sensation never had quite that difficulty.
Hopefully this means devs will not have as much problem with getting the camera to work on Non-Sense based ROMs.

I'll be coming from my good ole GNex. I always try to buy a new phone every year around my birthday. GNex was last year, Evo3D before that, and OG Evo before that.

Coming from EVO 3D. My battery barely lasts 1/2 a day without actually using it. It will literally be at 20% from fully charged within approximately 4-5 hours without using the phone. At all. For anything. It wasn't as bad when it was new, but it was never good to begin with. It also heats up quite a bit which was really nice when it was cold. Now that Spring has arrived, I really don't want hot pants. I know the HTC One's battery ain't great, but it's gotta be better than the EVO 3D. I know I could just get a new battery or look for which one of my 200 apps I've installed causing the drain, but then I saw the HTC One...
Anyone else keep checking their pre-order progress? I click on my Newegg Wireless (Simplicity LLC) confirmation email for my Black 32GB like 4 times a day to check on the status.

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The camera on the 3D was difficult to get working because of the drivers needed because there were two cameras. If there is only one I think it would have been more straightforward as Sensation never had quite that difficulty.
Hopefully this means devs will not have as much problem with getting the camera to work on Non-Sense based ROMs.
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Yeah, this is what I am hoping for. When the One first was announced, I was reluctant to go that way because the camera seemed like it might be a hindrance again.
I have heard people say that HTC is going to try and release code quicker which should help as well.

to recoup some cost of buying fullprice >.> i sold my e4gt on glyde for about 170. I'm thinking i underpriced it cuz it sold in a matter of hours

If I can somehow talk myself into buying off contract and pay the full price I'll be coming from the EVO 4G LTE. Still mulling over it; $549 is a lot of dinero.

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to recoup some cost of buying fullprice >.> i sold my e4gt on glyde for about 170. I'm thinking i underpriced it cuz it sold in a matter of hours
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I had a G-NEX for a few months before switching over to my Fiancee's account on Sprint (Figured I would cut down on monthly costs) and at the time the only monetarily valuable phone was the iPhone 5... I've been patiently waiting for something to come out and so I finally sold that and Pre-Ordered yesterday.
Right now I am using my fiancee's EVO Design 4g and I am going crazy with how slow it is. I just installed Evolvr Rom with an older kernel and overclocked it to 2ghz... hopefully that will hold me over until this comes out next week, but my fingers are still crossed for early delivery.

Coming from the EVO 4G LTE :good:

Will be switching from my trusty Samsung Epic 4G! I'm so excited to finally get rid of that darned physical keyboard...

Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.

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Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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You don't have to worry about pulling the battery if you no boot or bootloop. There is a hardware key combination that phones with non-removable batteries use to force reset. This is hardwired in not software.

Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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No big deal with the non removable battery. Iirc power and volume up and down simulate a battery pull at least on the Evo lte.
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Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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I had the same worry. Similar experiences with the SD Card. Forget to dealt the right file in the bootloader menu it was very easy just to pull the sd card and delete the file.
But I also think this is where the industry is going and I like the look of the phone too much to go to Samsung. Just can't enjoy TouchWiz. While i tend to have CM or ASOP running, I do enjoy Sense as well. Nice to have options. So I figure it is time to learn a new way of doing things.

So, I checked with Best Buy and, while they won't match the pre-order price at Sprint (full device price, not upgrade price), they will match at release date. With that being said, think Sprint will retain the existing price at least 1 or 2 days after it's released? I'd hate to spend the inflated BB price to lock in the pre-order only to be unable to get that $150 refund.

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Getting One tomorrow (can't wait) and i will, of course be rooting it and flashing a customer rom. However I can only find topics the AT &T and Sprint version in the main forum index page. I live in the UK, and please forgive if this is stupid question, but is there a developed for the UK version?

[Q] Was it worth the swap?

Right, so I had the HTC One X, and it developed a camera fault, where the camera did not work at all!
Phone my carrier, and they said they would send me a new one. Called me back, said they didn't have any in stock, so they offered the HTC One silver instead. Bare in mind I only had the HTC One X since last September (2012).
I made a quick search while I was on the phone, and thought this looks cool.
So I haven't really done my research on it as of yet. So thought, what better way than ask you guys for your thoughts on the phone?
Is it worth swapping these phones? What are the advantages? And the most important question, how is the battery life compared?

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Right, so I had the HTC One X, and it developed a camera fault, where the camera did not work at all!
Phone my carrier, and they said they would send me a new one. Called me back, said they didn't have any in stock, so they offered the HTC One silver instead. Bare in mind I only had the HTC One X since last September (2012).
I made a quick search while I was on the phone, and thought this looks cool.
So I haven't really done my research on it as of yet. So thought, what better way than ask you guys for your thoughts on the phone?
Is it worth swapping these phones? What are the advantages? And the most important question, how is the battery life compared?
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YES YES YES and YES!!!!!!!
You are very lucky to be offered a One as a replacement for the HOX!!!
Battery is good and its better than the HOX in almost every way
Also this thread will be closed as comparison threads are not allowed lol!!!

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Switching from the S5...

Ok so..
Its been about 12 days since I have had this phone. I thought I could be patient enough with it to maybe wait for a root (if developers are even still working on it.)
Turns out I am not so patient.. I would rather switch to a company like HTC who is kind enough to give tools to their customers who want the option to do what they want with their own ****ing cell phone that they purchased. :highfive:
Anyway..
My question is: Is anyone familiar with the return policy? I am pretty sure that it is 14 days and I can trade it back in hopefully for an M8, but if someone that has experience or knowledge with this can shed some more light I would be very grateful.
Second question would be do you guys think the HTC One M8 is the best option for me right now? Ill be going through at&t and I want to be able to root and flash roms. Preferably some of the more popular ones like AOKP or Pac-Man etc..

PunchLick said:
Ok so..
Its been about 12 days since I have had this phone. I thought I could be patient enough with it to maybe wait for a root (if developers are even still working on it.)
Turns out I am not so patient.. I would rather switch to a company like HTC who is kind enough to give tools to their customers who want the option to do what they want with their own ****ing cell phone that they purchased. :highfive:
Anyway..
My question is: Is anyone familiar with the return policy? I am pretty sure that it is 14 days and I can trade it back in hopefully for an M8, but if someone that has experience or knowledge with this can shed some more light I would be very grateful.
Second question would be do you guys think the HTC One M8 is the best option for me right now? Ill be going through at&t and I want to be able to root and flash roms. Preferably some of the more popular ones like AOKP or Pac-Man etc..
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just go do it. why do you need to ask about it when you already know the terms. simply call them or go to the store.

Later.

I am not sure about the terms, that's why I posted on these forums asking. That's why I said "I'm pretty sure" and asked if someone who knew for sure could give me more details. :good:

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I am not sure about the terms, that's why I posted on these forums asking. That's why I said "I'm pretty sure" and asked if someone who knew for sure could give me more details. :good:
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what's the point of posting anything here. whats the point of even sharing your thoughts of switching. if you made your decision, just go and do it. why ask us when you can ask AT&T? just leave man

Because I bought it on launch day and I am not sure how many days you get before you can return the phone. A lot of people are switching too or getting the TMO version, so I think a topic like this could become helpful to others as well.
Not sure why you are being rude, if you aren't going to help or say anything worth reading just stop typing. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings in showing that I think owning a locked down device isn't for me anymore.. it's still a great phone. I just thought I would be more patient or enjoy stock more, but I was wrong.

PunchLick said:
I am not sure about the terms, that's why I posted on these forums asking. That's why I said "I'm pretty sure" and asked if someone who knew for sure could give me more details. :good:
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14 days from purchase to return and a $35 restocking fee are basically the terms.
Personally, I wouldn't switch. I think the S5 is a superior device even without root (for now). but you gotta do what's best for you. Good luck.

peaster3 said:
14 days from purchase to return and a $35 restocking fee are basically the terms.
Personally, I wouldn't switch. I think the S5 is a superior device even without root (for now). but you gotta do what's best for you. Good luck.
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Thank you for a real reply and for the information, its really appreciated.
I think the S5 is a superior device too, but I really need root for certain apps. Not to mention flashing roms can be pretty fun.
Also sooo much bloat I just want to remove, not a big deal, but prefer a clean device.

Pretty sure mine will be going back in the next few days as well. I love the camera and the water resistance is great, but for the price, with the ehh battery life I've been getting and some annoying software stuff, it can't do anything that my international Note II can't.
In the future if/when someone can find an exploit and get root, I would definitely give it another shot.

hlb3 said:
Pretty sure mine will be going back in the next few days as well. I love the camera and the water resistance is great, but for the price, with the ehh battery life I've been getting and some annoying software stuff, it can't do anything that my international Note II can't.
In the future if/when someone can find an exploit and get root, I would definitely give it another shot.
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Yea I completely agree. The cons just outweigh the pros for me personally in this situation!

The bloat you can disable until root comes out
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Daxxer2007 said:
The bloat you can disable since root won't come out
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Ftfy

I'm enjoying all these people giving up its really quite amusing. I had a backflip and an atrix your puny 12 day wait has nothing on the wait for those phones to have root.

cyberace1985 said:
I'm enjoying all these people giving up its really quite amusing. I had a backflip and an atrix your puny 12 day wait has nothing on the wait for those phones to have root.
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Well the reason for the rush is I can return it for something that already has root and more development. I'd rather get more enjoyment now rather than hope and wait. Although if the return policy stated like 2 months or something, I'd honestly probably still wait those 2 months because I do enjoy this phone.
It's also the principal of the situation too though. I'm not ALL FOR companies that sell overpriced phones that, when bought, are just so locked down that i don't even feel like it's actually fully mine.

I've got a week to decide, I may stop in to have a look at the competition.

I've been seeing a lot of people posting that they aren't getting that great of battery life. I'm getting about 36 hours uptime with about 6 hours screen. Is that better or worse than what you guys are seeing? TIA.
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Josborne6 said:
I've been seeing a lot of people posting that they aren't getting that great of battery life. I'm getting about 36 hours uptime with about 6 hours screen. Is that better or worse than what you guys are seeing? TIA.
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There only seems to be a handful complaining, even on other forums people are getting crazy good battery life. Heck I can have on screen time of 4-5+ hours, tons of email, text, phone calls etc, all sync is on, gps is on etc.... and still have plenty life left at the end of the day, actually as I type this in similar situation I have 22% life left and been off the charger for 33 hours, and even browsing I still have 4 tabs open. First phone where the thought of not having enough battery doesn't even occur to me, going to be nice on trips lol.
Far as the OP, do what you have to do, though I don't know why you'd think root would've been available by now on this phone, this isn't the old days where people could crack same day. I liked the M8 but couldn't put up with the camera and bulkiness plus no water proofing.

I have the M8. If you like flashing and customizing it is a no brainer. I myself am running stock and still enjoy the device.
My wife has a S5. It's pretty and white and shimmers like nail polish. Perfect phone for a beautiful girl.
Also as far as the discussion of superiority of either device. It's an opinionated one. Each excels at their own intended goals.
If the camera of the M8 is scaring you, just ask yourself . " will I be on assignment for national geographic where I will need to take epic photos on the go?"
If you answered no, then this camera should be good enough for your personal use.
It seems like you're just asking for that little push for you to make the trade.
I am giving you that "push". Everything will be okay in HTC land....be free...
Oh yeah. Have fun with the raised speaker grills. The gamble on receiving two variations of the LCD screen and ... Yeah that's about it.
HTC UltimEight ?

It really depends on where you bought the device. Typical return policy would be 14 days. Some vendors do not charge a restocking fees on returns but "I heard" AT&T can charge you. This was forwarded to me from the sales rep. I got my S5 at Target and returned it. I was not charged with a restocking fee by them or At&t that I am aware of.
I got myself the M8 since I wanted root.

Jooosty said:
I have the M8. If you like flashing and customizing it is a no brainer. I myself am running stock and still enjoy the device.
My wife has a S5. It's pretty and white and shimmers like nail polish. Perfect phone for a beautiful girl.
Also as far as the discussion of superiority of either device. It's an opinionated one. Each excels at their own intended goals.
If the camera of the M8 is scaring you, just ask yourself . " will I be on assignment for national geographic where I will need to take epic photos on the go?"
If you answered no, then this camera should be good enough for your personal use.
It seems like you're just asking for that little push for you to make the trade.
I am giving you that "push". Everything will be okay in HTC land....be free...
Oh yeah. Have fun with the raised speaker grills. The gamble on receiving two variations of the LCD screen and ... Yeah that's about it.
HTC UltimEight ?
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I have both, a gunmetal grey m8 and shimmery white tmo s5 sim unlocked for ATT, The m8 is great if you like to mod/customize, you can run Sense, GPE, or AOSP (cm is already being worked on)...The s5 (ATT) obviously is locked down....both phones are very nice it just depends if you need the ability to customize.

Need Advice - Urgent

Hi all,
I've been looking out for a pre-owned M7 & came across one seller who has a 3UK M7 that's on 4.4.3.
Before committing, I wanted to ask -
Can this phone be de-branded? He gets the 3UK logo when it boots up.
Also can I flash any custom ROMs ?
Any limitations using a 3UK device? No S-Off, no updates, etc?
Thanks,
Jude

judebrent87 said:
Hi all,
I've been looking out for a pre-owned M7 & came across one seller who has a 3UK M7 that's on 4.4.3.
Before committing, I wanted to ask -
Can this phone be de-branded? He gets the 3UK logo when it boots up.
Also can I flash any custom ROMs ?
Any limitations using a 3UK device? No S-Off, no updates, etc?
Thanks,
Jude
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Hi you have posted in the wrong thread you should move your question here http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one/help
I have a HTC One on 3UK And you can get an unlock code from Three for free, stock 4.4.3 on 3UK has problems the signal drops all the time it's horrible you want to avoid that version at all costs but first you want to unlock the bootloader can be done at HTC dev then try and get S-OFF, then Upgrade to the latest firmware and install a rom of your choice

liam_davenport said:
Hi you have posted in the wrong thread you should move your question here http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one/help
I have a HTC One on 3UK And you can get an unlock code from Three for free, stock 4.4.3 on 3UK has problems the signal drops all the time it's horrible you want to avoid that version at all costs but first you want to unlock the bootloader can be done at HTC dev then try and get S-OFF, then Upgrade to the latest firmware and install a rom of your choice
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Thanks for your reply, how do I move to the thread you suggested?
It's also network unlocked, just that I want to unlock boot loader and achieve S-Off. I've been out of touch, hence asked for advise. Any negative getting this phone, is it different hardware wise compared to the AT&T, T-Mobile variants?
Lastly, I'm aware & have been informed by the seller about a slight pink tint that occurs, is that software or hardware?
Thanks,
Jude

judebrent87 said:
Thanks for your reply, how do I move to the thread you suggested?
It's also network unlocked, just that I want to unlock boot loader and achieve S-Off. I've been out of touch, hence asked for advise. Any negative getting this phone, is it different hardware wise compared to the AT&T, T-Mobile variants?
Lastly, I'm aware & have been informed by the seller about a slight pink tint that occurs, is that software or hardware?
Thanks,
Jude
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No problem and to be honest i don't know how to move a post lol
Right 3UK is an international version so it's GSM only so no CDMA I don't know alot about US carriers so i can't help you there sorry but you might need to install an older rom to get S-OFF all info is in the threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158151
I have the pink tint too Unfortunately it's a hardware problem but you can return to HTC for free repair, it happens when the phone gets really hot, when gaming or using while charging, Ask the seller to take a picture might not even be that bad i've only got a small area in this middle i don't really care the camera isn't that great anyway's, if you can get an M8 go for it

liam_davenport said:
No problem and to be honest i don't know how to move a post lol
Right 3UK is an international version so it's GSM only so no CDMA I don't know alot about US carriers so i can't help you there sorry but you might need to install an older rom to get S-OFF all info is in the threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158151
I have the pink tint too Unfortunately it's a hardware problem but you can return to HTC for free repair, it happens when the phone gets really hot, when gaming or using while charging, Ask the seller to take a picture might not even be that bad i've only got a small area in this middle i don't really care the camera isn't that great anyway's, if you can get an M8 go for it
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I have 2 more deals one for the M8 & the other being the Galaxy S5. What would you suggest? Which is a better phone on the whole?

judebrent87 said:
I have 2 more deals one for the M8 & the other being the Galaxy S5. What would you suggest? Which is a better phone on the whole?
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Nice To be honest its down to personal preference there both great devices, if you can test them both see which you like best, i prefer HTC over Samsung, Sense is great if you wanted to stay stock, the build quality is amazing on the M8 as for the battery life and alot of nice Roms for it but to the S5 touchwiz is awful laggy and bloated with unwanted features and feels cheap in the hand, I've not really used the S5 so can't say much about it, If you want my opinion I'd get the M8, but if it really come's down to it the M7 is still a great device, Development is still ongoing so alot of roms, kernals ect It will get android L when it's released mines still going on strong

liam_davenport said:
Nice To be honest its down to personal preference there both great devices, if you can test them both see which you like best, i prefer HTC over Samsung, Sense is great if you wanted to stay stock, the build quality is amazing on the M8 as for the battery life and alot of nice Roms for it but to the S5 touchwiz is awful laggy and bloated with unwanted features and feels cheap in the hand, I've not really used the S5 so can't say much about it, If you want my opinion I'd get the M8, but if it really come's down to it the M7 is still a great device, Development is still ongoing so alot of roms, kernals ect It will get android L when it's released mines still going on strong
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I did research and came to the conclusion - the M7 is almighty. I am just scared about the Pink tint! Now that you've told me, I can de-brand, S-off and flash custom ROMs as well as get Android L, only concern is the camera, although I am not a heavy camera user. I use it only occasionally! You think it's an issue for less to moderate usage?
Thanks

judebrent87 said:
I did research and came to the conclusion - the M7 is almighty. I am just scared about the Pink tint! Now that you've told me, I can de-brand, S-off and flash custom ROMs as well as get Android L, only concern is the camera, although I am not a heavy camera user. I use it only occasionally! You think it's an issue for less to moderate usage?
Thanks
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Well like i said get the seller to take a picture with the camera and send you then you can judge if it too bad or not noticeable i don't really use the camera just snapchat and mines not noticeable but i've seen some bad ones, where will you be using the phone?

liam_davenport said:
Well like i said get the seller to take a picture with the camera and send you then you can judge if it too bad or not noticeable i don't really use the camera just snapchat and mines not noticeable but i've seen some bad ones, where will you be using the phone?
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I've done that, it's clear. He says it comes on occasionally when used in low light conditions. I would be meeting him in person tomorrow and checking out the phone, etc.
Anything I should keep an eye out for. Any specifics to look out for where the camera's concerned?
Cheers,
Jude