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ManualNooter

I love this! I listened to all the "experts" on he board and ran CM7 on the SD since getting my Nook. I couldn't run it EMMC because I have to have NC Stock to read my books(my young daughter loves the interactive ones). I hated CM7! Not the OS itself just the fact that A: it saw sluggish and frustrating to use and B: my battery went down faster than Paris Hilton at Bike Week. The first I can see was simply a result of running an OS from the SD card, can't be avoided. The other, well, I guess full blown android just takes more battery. So for months I have barely used it as anything but a reader at all.
Then last week I decided to try ManualNooter just to see what all the fuss was about. WOW what a difference! THIS Is what I should have been using all along. I can run any app, use any launcher, use the OC/UN Kernal, and still get great battery life and do all of this from the on board memory without being tied to an SD card and I still get to use all my books. Perfect!
So for any of you who find tourself hating your grindy, sluggish SD card CM7, give this a try! You don't even have to wipe your data, it's painless and easy! Thanks whoever developed this thing!
Note this is not a bash on CM which in itself is a great OS i just think it's crap running from an SD or at least it was for me! But i loved it when it wasn't driving me to drinking and making me punch things.

I think if you had tried one of the recent nightly's you would have liked CM7 better - battery life to me seems about the same as stock. The quality of your SD card makes a huge difference on running CM7 from it. Basically if your SD card is Sandisk then it will run fairly well, if other brand then will be laggy. Most manufacturers work on fast large write speed, but Sandisk has fast small write speed which is what you need to run an OS from it.
Having said all that, manual Nooter is nice, I just prefer CM7, but I don't need the interactive books.

You fail to mention what brand your sd card and what version of cm7 you were using. Sandisk + latest nightly should fix your problems.
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koopakid08 said:
You fail to mention what brand your sd card and what version of cm7 you were using. Sandisk + latest nightly should fix your problems.
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I was using my original SD from my Evo if that helps. Didn't look at the brand. It shipped with my Evo, which was bought in Jan of this year if that helps.
edit: Just had a look it's a Samsung 8gb that came with the Evo. And I was using the latest stable.
In the end, I fail to see how CM7 is better than what I have now. Maybe that's just my ignorance but Im not seeing the advantage. So far I haven't found anything that CM7 will do that Nook Stock rooted isn't. Can you mention a few things? I'd be interested to know, but as it stands everything works even Netflix, so for now at least I'm good. Haven't noticed anything not working.

Landara said:
I was using my original SD from my Evo if that helps. Didn't look at the brand. It shipped with my Evo, which was bought in Jan of this year if that helps.
edit: Just had a look it's a Samsung 8gb that came with the Evo. And I was using the latest stable.
In the end, I fail to see how CM7 is better than what I have now. Maybe that's just my ignorance but Im not seeing the advantage. So far I haven't found anything that CM7 will do that Nook Stock rooted isn't. Can you mention a few things? I'd be interested to know, but as it stands everything works even Netflix, so for now at least I'm good. Haven't noticed anything not working.
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Better performance, tablet optimized full android experience, gingerbread compared to froyo, i believe stock also does not have Bluetooth support, new updates nightly, list goes on for awhile but I personally have no love for stock so my opinion might be a little one-sided.
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Landara said:
I was using my original SD from my Evo if that helps. Didn't look at the brand. It shipped with my Evo, which was bought in Jan of this year if that helps.
edit: Just had a look it's a Samsung 8gb that came with the Evo. And I was using the latest stable.
In the end, I fail to see how CM7 is better than what I have now. Maybe that's just my ignorance but Im not seeing the advantage. So far I haven't found anything that CM7 will do that Nook Stock rooted isn't. Can you mention a few things? I'd be interested to know, but as it stands everything works even Netflix, so for now at least I'm good. Haven't noticed anything not working.
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I run CM7 off an SD card (sandisk class 4) and it's smooth as silk - note that the latest nightlies are light years ahead of "stable". It's just able to get more out of the nook than rooted stock is and battery life is every bit as good if not better. What can it do that stock can't? Technically probably nothing, it just does it better.
Now, having said all that, I still love rooted stock. If you want a reader on steroids, then rooted stock is fantastic - and there are still some things about the stock reader app I like better than any of the other reader apps. If you want what amounts to full function 7" tablet, then CM7 is probably better for you. It kind of depends on your tastes. I have one of each in the house and can't say anything bad about either one.

doncaruana said:
I run CM7 off an SD card (sandisk class 4) and it's smooth as silk - note that the latest nightlies are light years ahead of "stable". It's just able to get more out of the nook than rooted stock is and battery life is every bit as good if not better. What can it do that stock can't? Technically probably nothing, it just does it better.
Now, having said all that, I still love rooted stock. If you want a reader on steroids, then rooted stock is fantastic - and there are still some things about the stock reader app I like better than any of the other reader apps. If you want what amounts to full function 7" tablet, then CM7 is probably better for you. It kind of depends on your tastes. I have one of each in the house and can't say anything bad about either one.
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Maybe I will try CM7 now again. After all I can still use the CM7 SD card concept since my rooted ROM is actually on EMMC. I never tried one of the nightlies. Maybe I should.

Landara,
I'm with you on this. I had been running CM7 and MIUI off the emmc than decided I wanted to try the stock 1.3 software. I found that really liked the clean lines and simplicity of the stock UI but missed the ability to install market apps so I kept 1.3 on the emmc and set up a CM7 sd card. Used a Patriot Class 6 card and it ran ok when I first booted up but as I added apps it slowed down to a snails pace. I decided to install ManualNooter (which does work with 1.3 for those that have wondered). This ran great! Smooth as silk with market access but I still couldn't side-load apps so I flashed MiniRooter right on top, which now enables installation of non-market apps. Overclocked to 1.2 and man....does this thing fly. In my opinion, this is the best setup for me.

tsg2513 said:
Landara,
I'm with you on this. I had been running CM7 and MIUI off the emmc than decided I wanted to try the stock 1.3 software. I found that really liked the clean lines and simplicity of the stock UI but missed the ability to install market apps so I kept 1.3 on the emmc and set up a CM7 sd card. Used a Patriot Class 6 card and it ran ok when I first booted up but as I added apps it slowed down to a snails pace. I decided to install ManualNooter (which does work with 1.3 for those that have wondered). This ran great! Smooth as silk with market access but I still couldn't side-load apps so I flashed MiniRooter right on top, which now enables installation of non-market apps. Overclocked to 1.2 and man....does this thing fly. In my opinion, this is the best setup for me.
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FYI there is an app called Nook Color Tools created here by the XDA cooks which allows you to do several good things one of which is sideload apps provided you move them to a certain folder. It also allows you to change keyboards.

tsg2513 said:
Landara,
I'm with you on this. I had been running CM7 and MIUI off the emmc than decided I wanted to try the stock 1.3 software. I found that really liked the clean lines and simplicity of the stock UI but missed the ability to install market apps so I kept 1.3 on the emmc and set up a CM7 sd card. Used a Patriot Class 6 card and it ran ok when I first booted up but as I added apps it slowed down to a snails pace. I decided to install ManualNooter (which does work with 1.3 for those that have wondered). This ran great! Smooth as silk with market access but I still couldn't side-load apps so I flashed MiniRooter right on top, which now enables installation of non-market apps. Overclocked to 1.2 and man....does this thing fly. In my opinion, this is the best setup for me.
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Manual Nooter comes with Nook Color Tools, so you can choose non market from there and side load away.
From what I've read, the only thing you can't do when you use MN on 1.3 is move apps to SD. It can cause corruption of app, but I'm sure that will be fixed soon.
I was rooted with MN 1.2 (LOVED IT), and occasionally ran cm7 nightlies off SD(Sandisk 8gb class4). Just got zapped with the 1.3 update, so I'm waiting a few days to see what happens to MN, before rerooting.
I agree with OP Manual Nooter is way better for me, battery, + Netflix, Nook Reader, and no hang.

Good Stable ROM for Wife?

Hey,
So I know there are a bunch of ROMs around for the Nook Color, but I was curious if anyone had a recommendation for a stable one for my wife's Nook Color? I was looking at Phiremod (both CM7 and MIUI Versions), MIUI, and CM7. So far the problem I am running into with all of them is the screen resolution/density as well as the sleep of death. What is a good stable ROM I can run on there? I don't need bells and whistles.... just something stable that can run android apps (including the Nook and Kindle Apps). Thanks.
-Eric

I'm on nightly 212 (CM7.1 stable will work just as well) and it has.been.by far the most stable ROM I've ever used for any device. I'm running it from the SD Card, and I would surely recommend it.
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I agree.. but be sure to notice in several other posts.. the brand and type of microSD card DOES matter.. Use a Sandisk class 2 or 4.
Before I got a Sandisk, it wasn't very stable. Afterwards.. like a rock.

efaden said:
Hey,
a recommendation for a stable one for my wife's Nook Color? I was looking at Phiremod (both CM7 and MIUI Versions), MIUI, and CM7.
-Eric
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I have had my Wife's NookColor on MiUi for more than a month. Not one single hang or freeze.
Recovery CWM 3.2.0.1
ROM MIUI v 1.9.23 from MIUI.US
Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111
Nook Color Tweaks Dalingrins NookColor Tweaks Audio Setup very useful.
Swype Beta Installer
From the Market:-
zMooth Lite to replace the included "Button Savor" App. Which I leave minimized, because it is difficult to hack out.
Titanium Backup
Rom Manager
Opera Mobile Browser
Replacement Apps from Market for Notes, Pictures, Music, Performance, Synchronizing of Stuff, document Editors, Kindel, Google Books etc.
Interface Launcher has Widgets, Folders and customize-able task-bar.
I had a little trouble during the first setup stage while familiarizing with "Button Savior". In particular the x key means hide the virtual keys, which get in the way of the keyboard. These Buttons serve as virtual "Android Buttons" The virtual buttons slide in from the right edge of the screen. They include all the usual Android Buttons. on, Back Button, Search Button, etc. Actually re-started re-flashed once I got the hang of it. and had no problems. Getting past the stage of entering data into the first few fields was the only frustration. After one installs zMooth you can ignore Button Savior and let it remain minimized, or kill it with a automated task killer.
The Rom has Working Bluetooth with an add-on to Astro File Manager, and also most of the other file managers.
I must have 25 apps of which I use 10 quite often. So far no problems with resolution etc.
Updated Market, and Cloned the whole thing with nandroid backup so that my wife's and my Nooks are identical. Only problem with this is that the Market thinks the two devices are one. It all works, but anything I download from Web Based Market via Web, goes to both devices.
If you know how to redo the Market initialization steps, to trigger a new signature creation step for each device I would be grateful.

I like running CM7 from the EMMC -- I find it's the fastest and most stable. I tried MIUI but I had issues with it and missed my app drawer. I use to run CM7 from the sd card and find running it straight from memory is more reliable.
She's going to love having a tablet! So much more than ereader... love my Nook!

EMMC CM7 had been the best in my experience as will.
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markusrow said:
I have had my Wife's NookColor on MiUi for more than a month. Not one single hang or freeze.
Recovery CWM 3.2.0.1
ROM MIUI v 1.9.23 from MIUI.US
Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111
Nook Color Tweaks Dalingrins NookColor Tweaks Audio Setup very useful.
Swype Beta Installer
From the Market:-
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Thanks for the info.
Just a question, what exactly does Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111, does on the device?
As i installed yesterday the CM7, after being on Manual Nooter, and i was wondering what are the benefits of Dalingrin, and if i have any implications if i install this through recovery...

Fekish said:
Thanks for the info.
Just a question, what exactly does Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111, does on the device?
As i installed yesterday the CM7, after being on Manual Nooter, and i was wondering what are the benefits of Dalingrin, and if i have any implications if i install this through recovery...
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You are most welcome.
All ROMs include / require a Kernel (foundation layer - a Linux kernel). This is the software that is specifically tied to the particular hardware and bridges between the hardware and the body of the ROM. Current CM7.1 and MIUI both include / use Dalingrin's Kernel, which is in turn derived from B&N's kernel. MIUI is a branch of CM7.1 with work in creating a consistent and pleasing interface and removing aspects not required for this platform. The Dalingrin Kernel link is included so that you can follow what Dalingrin offers / updates in the future and flash it independently of the ROM if you wish to do so. Also Dalingrin and CyanogenMod developers deserve credit and thanks for the work in developing CM7 which MIUI have leveraged for their ROM.
The implication is that you can change / update Kernels for the NOOKColor (independently with care), (i.e. flash kernel over the delivered ROM Kernel,) and Dalingrin's Tweaks App works with the Rom and you can donate to Dalingrin by purchasing his App. Enable Under Volting save battery, and Over Clocking improve performance. Also as stated before, very very useful for setting the Audio gains in the best possible combination.

FYI, Dalingrin's kernel is included in the nightlies (has been for a while), so if you installed CM7 it's already there. It opens up a lot of features as well as the ability to Overclock for extra performance. It seems like most everyone has OC'd up to the max allowed by default which is 1.2ghz I think. It definitely makes the Nook a lot snappier with little trade-off.

Another vote for CM7.1 stable on eMMC. Solid as a rock.

davidr415 said:
I agree.. but be sure to notice in several other posts.. the brand and type of microSD card DOES matter.. Use a Sandisk class 2 or 4.
Before I got a Sandisk, it wasn't very stable. Afterwards.. like a rock.
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Did I miss something? I was always under the impression that you should not use anything less than a Class 6 SD card, especially if your running the ROM from the SD instead of EMMC.
Class 2/4 are too slow...

nismopc said:
Did I miss something? I was always under the impression that you should not use anything less than a Class 6 SD card, especially if your running the ROM from the SD instead of EMMC.
Class 2/4 are too slow...
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When using the SD to run the OS off of, the random access speed is what makes the difference. There were tests down before, but iirc the Sandisk cards showed the best random-access speed despite having a slower class (which measures sequential writes).

ponyboy82 said:
When using the SD to run the OS off of, the random access speed is what makes the difference. There were tests down before, but iirc the Sandisk cards showed the best random-access speed despite having a slower class (which measures sequential writes).
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Not to get off topic, but does that apply to higher class Sandisk as well? Basically, a Class 6 Sandisk will outperform a Class 2/4 Sandisk in the Nook? I can't recall seeing the tests, this is why I ask.

You have received a lot of good advice here and I'm just going to throw my two cents' worth in.
I am a 53 year old woman who has tried every rom out there. I have settled on the Miui rom. #1 because it just looks nicer to my eyes than CM7. Fonts and icons are larger and 'prettier.' #2 because this rom has the most zip on my nook.
Right now I'm running 1.9.23. A week ago I restored my Nook to stock, installed Miui and installed my apps from the market - not from a backup and I have had zero freezes or SODs. I run over 150 apps, use launcher pro, with Facebook, gmail, calendar and pulse news reader updating frequently.
I also went into the spare parts app and set my wifi to sleep never.
Everyone has their favorite, but Miui wins my vote hands down.
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nismopc said:
Not to get off topic, but does that apply to higher class Sandisk as well? Basically, a Class 6 Sandisk will outperform a Class 2/4 Sandisk in the Nook? I can't recall seeing the tests, this is why I ask.
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I think this is the test I was thinking of... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102704
If I'm reading it correctly, the class doesn't seem to make a huge difference. I would think higher classes would be faster for at least some operations though.

nismopc said:
Not to get off topic, but does that apply to higher class Sandisk as well? Basically, a Class 6 Sandisk will outperform a Class 2/4 Sandisk in the Nook? I can't recall seeing the tests, this is why I ask.
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Check my sig for the links to see what the deal is.
Basically, class 2 or 4 SanDisk is what you want, 8 gig minimum, with better performance gains the higher the capacity of card. 16 gig performs better then 8, and 32 better then 16.
The reason is the level of attention manufacturers pay to small block read/write data pathways physically inside the card itself. Running android from the sdcard doesn't matter so much about large-block file transfer, it's all the small writes to and from memory that are important.
That kinda ties in with what I was gonna say to the OP, though, consider this:
I just bought my lady a Nook Color for her birthday, and set it up with the latest stable cm7 (7.1.0) and had it set to the internal memory. I figured, what the heck...she's not gonna do anything else with it.
Wrong move. Putting the finishing touches on it the night before I her birthday, I saw a problem with the screen, I pressed the app drawer icon and a wave of liquid flowed halfway across the screen. As the night wore on over the next hour or so, it got worse and started to become unresponsive.
Obvious hardware failure.
I spent the rest of the night setting up one of my good SanDisk memory cards with her installation on it, and wrote everything (pictures, icons, etc...) to the memory card and nothing to internal memory.
Now she has all her apps, custom icons I made for her, boot screens, albums of pictures from the time we spent together and so forth all on the MicroSd card.
When B&N opened the morning of her birthday, I took it back and exchanged it for a new one. Popped the memory card in, and it was good to go.
Now if her Nook Color ever fails her again (which is very infrequent, was just a bad one out of the factory) all she has to do is pop out her memory card and put it in another one, and it's like nothing ever happened.
Using verygreens installer, and the latest release of CM7, it's a seamless, fantastic setup. Honestly, i'll never install to internal memory again. I never did on my Nook Color, and given what happened there I can't see a reason to ever do so again.
From a dev standpoint, leaving the Nook Color stock on emmc has many advantages, and from a user standpoint the same can be said but for different reasons.
To each their own, but I spent a lot of time figuring out how to make it run well from the MicroSD card, and why some things didn't work as well.
The bonus is you don't void your warranty, and the stock Nook Color software will format any MicroSD card you put in it once it's booted, regardless of what the partition table on the card itself is like.
Just my .02 cents, best of luck with the Nook Color for your wife.
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If you do make an sd-card install and restore the emmc to stock, then keep this in mind:
I used to recommend the app "sd speed increase" made by a member here at xda, because it helped considerably with running from the sd-card.
Not anymore. The newest version of cm7 stable incorporates that fix into the build, and trying to run the app over it actually presents a decrease in performance.
CM7.1.0 is pretty optimized for sd-installs, in addition to running fantastically on internal memory (from what I hear anyways, i'll never know!)

Thanks for the info all. I just installed CM7 Stable on hers... seems to be running nicely.

k8108 said:
You have received a lot of good advice here and I'm just going to throw my two cents' worth in.
Right now I'm running 1.9.23. A week ago I restored my Nook to stock, installed Miui and installed my apps from the market - not from a backup and I have had zero freezes or SODs. I run over 150 apps, use launcher pro, with Facebook, gmail, calendar and pulse news reader updating frequently.
I also went into the spare parts app and set my wifi to sleep never.
Everyone has their favorite, but Miui wins my vote hands down.
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Currently MIUI gets my vote.
MIUI 1.9.23 with a clean install and app load was a huge improvement.
Cyanogen is constantly moving forward. I will try it from time to time, using Nandroid backup and restore to flip back - update - then see what I am missing.
It is a pitty that the two cannot coexist in a complementary way. No winners no loosers. I don't think that MIUI makes its features and customizations available so cannot be incorporated (on a selective merit basis) back into Cyanogen. They are not open like Cyanogen. So in the end Cyaongen may well win base on its support from community.

efaden said:
Thanks for the info all. I just installed CM7 Stable on hers... seems to be running nicely.
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Awesome. By the way, despite the name, the nightlies are often very stable these days. I forget when the fixes were put in, but there have been a bunch of improvements including better battery life while sleeping since one of the main "stable" milestone builds. If you find some issues, it may be worth trying a nightly.
Also, you should backup your rom using Rom Manager and/or apps using nandroid or titanium backup. That has saved my butt a few times.
Good luck!

A few posts down is one titled [GUIDE] CM7.1... I followed that one from a factory restored firmware 1.0.0 and am more than pleased. I would give that a shot if I were you. Seems very stable and you shouldn't have to worry about upgrading for a while.
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[Q] Nook HD+ best rom for me, help!

I'm new to this but I understand the root & flash process.
I just need some help selecting & locating a rom for my nook hd.
I don't like the Barnes & noble os as it seems a little laggy.
Therefore I'd like to replace if with a proper android rom but I get confused with what the difference between stock & cm10 is.
I just want a stable android rom that's fast for browsing & will play netflix well.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks

Stock ROM is the default Barnes & Noble operating system, the one you're using now. The term "stock" is used to describe this ROM, as it's the default ROM that comes installed with the Nook.
There are other ROMs available, so that you can customise your Nook. The one I would recommend, so that you can comfortably just use Android on a daily basis without worrying about anything else is CyanogenMod 10.1.3 (stable). This is a stable ROM, and ready for daily use without worrying about anything else. That's CyanogenMod (CM) 10.1.3. Do NOT install CyanogenMod 10.2, as this is a nightly version and not ready for daily use. You can install CM10.2 if you desire, but don't expect it to be perfect; there may be few issues and problems here and there.
Installing CyanogenMod 10.1.3 runs Android version 4.2.2, so that's Jelly Bean. CM10.2 runs Android 4.3 (however, this isn't stable yet). Here's a beginners guide to installing CyanogenMod for your Nook: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317500
All the best, if you require any assistance, feel free to reply back.

For what it's worth, performance on my Nook HD+ with CyanogenMod 10.1.3 is absolute garbage. 10x worse than stock B&N ROM, everything lags to hell and back. Even scrolling the damn app menu lags, and I'm constantly seeing "<Insert App Name Here> isn't responding. Do you want to close it?" Everything, even the system idle process. I don't know what to advise as there seems to be no general consensus as to what's the best ROM, everything's under development, the only ROM listed under Original Android Development (which I'm hoping is as close as possible to stock) doesn't work.

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For what it's worth, performance on my Nook HD+ with CyanogenMod 10.1.3 is absolute garbage. 10x worse than stock B&N ROM, everything lags to hell and back. Even scrolling the damn app menu lags, and I'm constantly seeing "<Insert App Name Here> isn't responding. Do you want to close it?" Everything, even the system idle process. I don't know what to advise as there seems to be no general consensus as to what's the best ROM, everything's under development, the only ROM listed under Original Android Development (which I'm hoping is as close as possible to stock) doesn't work.
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My experience wasn't like that at all. While I wouldn't say it was blistering, it did seem on par or better than the Stock ROM. swiping was just a smidge laggy using Nova Prime.
I went on to Carbon and while it has a very nice feature set, it seems a good bit LAGGIER than the previous ROMs. I've been told that SlimBean runs nicely though, so I'm going to play with Carbon a little more but likely go on to that one when I decide to flash again.

I should expand a bit on my experience.
Performance was great the first half day, very speedy, better than stock ROM. By the end of the day it got a little slower than stock, a day or two later it was already pretty bad, noticeably slower, a week later absolutely terrible. It's as if performance degrades with time. I've tried reflashing it and now it sucks from the very beginning. If you find yourself trying CyanogenMod 10.1.3 stable and it still works great a week later, let me know--maybe I need to send mine in for a warranty swap.

rpop said:
I should expand a bit on my experience.
Performance was great the first half day, very speedy, better than stock ROM. By the end of the day it got a little slower than stock, a day or two later it was already pretty bad, noticeably slower, a week later absolutely terrible. It's as if performance degrades with time. I've tried reflashing it and now it sucks from the very beginning. If you find yourself trying CyanogenMod 10.1.3 stable and it still works great a week later, let me know--maybe I need to send mine in for a warranty swap.
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Hi, I have been running 10.2 nightly for awhile now and have my tablet running several hours a day surfing Web, watching movies, reading, etc. and I have not had any of the lag or slowdown that you mention. I have had no random reboots or any trouble, I think it performs better than stock rom.
I am very happy with this setup.
So I hope this helps you some.
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rpop said:
I should expand a bit on my experience.
Performance was great the first half day, very speedy, better than stock ROM. By the end of the day it got a little slower than stock, a day or two later it was already pretty bad, noticeably slower, a week later absolutely terrible. It's as if performance degrades with time. I've tried reflashing it and now it sucks from the very beginning. If you find yourself trying CyanogenMod 10.1.3 stable and it still works great a week later, let me know--maybe I need to send mine in for a warranty swap.
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It is not CM10.1.3, it is your device being hit with the need for trim. Your stock would act the same way. Read in the CM10.2 thread.
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Oh my god, you're right! I have to admit I noticed the TRIM issue when I first installed CyanogenMod (hard to miss, it's at the top in big red letters ). I realized it's a perfect match for the performance degradation I'd been seeing, but I dismissed it as a possible cause out of a naive belief that there's no way a manufacturer could ship something that crippled. I thought surely it would have been caught during testing. I also didn't want to read a 100+ page thread to figure out exactly what the issue is when the search was broken. I've taken a few hours and caught up on the thread now... I guess if it looks like cheese, and smells like cheese... it's gotta be cheese.
I've got MAG2GA & 0x000015 memory chips, looks like my only option is to brick it and do a warranty swap I'm curious as to how the other people above reported good experiences; are you guys purposely installing builds with TRIM enabled because you know have good memory chips? Seems to me almost every ROM around here has it purposely disabled. Either that or you've barely used the internal flash memory.
I guess the first recommendation for Kido44 would be to figure out what kind of memory you have, so you know if you can install a kernel with TRIM enabled. The degradation in performance without it is so bad, I want to fling it at the wall. I guess it might not be noticeable right away for you if all you're planning on doing is some light web browsing and Netflix viewing, but you'll run into it at some point and weep. I suspect you're already getting there if the stock ROM is starting to lag a little bit.
As always, thanks to leapinlar for pointing me in the right direction

I've been happy with CM 10.1 for a while, ran really stable without any major hiccups, but the lag got so bad due to the lack of trim that I decided to take the plunge and risk installing 10.2 Milestone 1 with a trim-enabled kernel. I also have a bad emmc chip but I'm willing to risk it.
It's not what I'd recommend for everyone, but that's my experience.

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I've been happy with CM 10.1 for a while, ran really stable without any major hiccups, but the lag got so bad due to the lack of trim that I decided to take the plunge and risk installing 10.2 Milestone 1 with a trim-enabled kernel. I also have a bad emmc chip but I'm willing to risk it.
It's not what I'd recommend for everyone, but that's my experience.
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Carbon B11 + cm10.1.3 kernel has been working well on my HD+ for a while. It's almost as fast as the trimmed cm10.2 but without the fault risk.

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Carbon B11 + cm10.1.3 kernel has been working well on my HD+ for a while. It's almost as fast as the trimmed cm10.2 but without the fault risk.
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Not sure I understand. Won't it get slow eventually because of the lack of trim?

Sure, but it was still usable after several weeks.

I like Slimrom for the most part and observedly better than CM 10.1.3 on my nook hd+. Seems faster and more responsive, and if you use Puffin browser, it seems like it's 2x faster compared to stock browser (that's just my imo, ymmv). Anyway, I've tested only 3 roms so far, slim, cm, and carbon, so my question is, are there any roms that you guys recommended on the hd+ that can maybe compare with slim? Slim doesn't seem to be officially supported.

Installing 3rd party ROM is really necessary?

My NOOK HD+ currently runs stock ROM and so far I don't encounter any issues. I was wondering how the improvement is if installing CM10.X or CyanogenMod 10.X on my NOOK. They are almost the same, a little better or huge difference? Thanks for any feedback or suggestion.

If you are happy with stock than just stick with it. It's not a HUGE improvement but the UI does seem smoother and apps seem to open a bit snappier. A lot more options open up with mods/ exposed framework/ more app options in the play store. It's kind of subjective though. I sometimes miss the Stock launcher but I'm happy with all the optional mods and stuff.
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If you are happy with stock than just stick with it. It's not a HUGE improvement but the UI does seem smoother and apps seem to open a bit snappier. A lot more options open up with mods/ exposed framework/ more app options in the play store. It's kind of subjective though. I sometimes miss the Stock launcher but I'm happy with all the optional mods and stuff.
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Thank you for your feedback.
In fact, I am interested in installing the CM10.3 on my NOOK HD+. However, I was told by a BN agent that the unit will definitely lose the warranty if I go for it. If it is not a huge improvement, is it worthy of taking the risk?

If you do an SD install I don't see it voiding your warranty. That way you can try it out, but I think you would.get better performance with an EMMC install. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
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Emmc is definitely better performance wise over SD but SD lets you use both with no issues. So it is worth it to try that one first and see if you like it.
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I got mine with the intent of keeping it stock. It took me about two minutes of frustration in the Play Store to change my mind.

I much rather prefer CyanogenMod 10.1.3 , stable. Although version 2.10 + of stock ROM isn't bad either, since it now bundles Google Play Store by default. When Nook's initially released, they didn't have Google Play, so I installed CyanogenMod; and after that, I've stuck with it.
I believe my father (the person I gave the Nook to) prefers CyanogenMod too; as he now gets the full Android experience. On newer Nooks, I believe performance isn't as good as stock; but this varies for different models, most people report greater performance on CM. Using CyanogenMod 10.1.3 also updates you to 4.2.2 Jelly Bean, whereas stock ROM uses Android 4.0.4 ICS.
It's true however, that if you install CyanogenMod your warranty is void. Of course, you could still go ahead and install CM, but when you want a warranty on your Nook, just reinstall stock ROM; or others have suggested, you could install CM on an SD card. Also as stated, CM on SD card isn't as great performance, if it was installed on your internal storage (EMMC).
It's completely your choice, but if you're happy/more than satisfied with stock ROM, I'd stay with it. If you want more from your tablet, and are willing to forsake your current interface on your tablet, you could install CyanogenMod.
All I can is, it's completely your choice, haha. All the best.

I think it also depends on whether you use other Android devices. Two friends bought Nook HD+'s, - one of them has another Android device - so I put CM10.1 on it. The other person isn't as tech savvy, and doesn't use any other Android devices, so I left it at stock.

I primarily use the Nook HD+ for watching movies and TV episodes using Netflix. I tried CM 10.1 but the audio lagged noticeably behind the video so I went back to stock which doesn't have the Netflix audio lag issue. Just my experience. Your experience may differ.
Most other apps under CM 10.1 ran very well.

What got me to flip to CyanogenMod was that there's no way to tell stock Nook OS to permit the installation of 3rd-party apps the way there is in vanilla Android—and I had bought a lot of games through the Humble Indie Bundle.
So I installed CyanogenMod 10.1 and never looked back. Haven't regretted it, either. The tablet is altogether more useful and versatile as a vanilla Android device. Haven't noticed any lag problems with Netflix or any other online video either.

If you can do everything you want with stock, you should probably just leave it.
But if you are going to do it I too would recommend 10.1.3, 10.2 is not as smooth in my opinion
and a few less things work properly.
Netflix runs perfectly on my HD+ with 10.1.3 (non official mid july build)

Robotech_Master said:
What got me to flip to CyanogenMod was that there's no way to tell stock Nook OS to permit the installation of 3rd-party apps the way there is in vanilla Android—and I had bought a lot of games through the Humble Indie Bundle.
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There is a way to permit installation of 3rd party apps. Go to my HD/HD+ CWM thread linked in my signature and make a bootable CWM SD and flash my enable unknown sources zip.
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There is a way to permit installation of 3rd party apps. Go to my HD/HD+ CWM thread linked in my signature and make a bootable CWM SD and flash my enable unknown sources zip.
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Nice to know, but if I was going to go to that much trouble I'd just enable stock Android anyway. After having used Android a while already, the Nook launcher drove me nuts.

Installing custom software opens up a lot of customization to your nook, it gives you the opportunity to make the device your own in the sense of modifying it however you wish for your own convenience.
I suggest you do not touch the internal emmc, the Nook has the amazing advantage of booting from the SD card which I use. If you use a bootable SD card you'll keep your warranty(I think) while having the freedom of CM on your device, best of both worlds.
I've been using SD card 10.1 for a while now on a class 4 sdcard, it's very functional and there is small to almost no lag while using it. You might experience some lag while opening an app because it's being loaded from the sdcard into the ram, although it happens for a couple of seconds before getting backt o speed.

[Q] Nook HD+ still worth buying in 2015?

Hello,
Nice to see an active community for the Nook HD+. I'm seeing them here in the UK for £70-80 refurbished and wondered if it's still worth buying one? I'm most specifically looking for a tablet that can comfortably display sheet music in portrait orientation (I will never get an iPad, it's Android all the way for me). The Nook HD+ still seems to be one of the only larger screened Android tabs with a comfortable display ratio for portrait, aside from the Nexus 9, but that is way expensive for my budget.
Anyone comment on the above? I'm particularly interested if you have used a Nook HD+ to display sheet music successfully. Also, anyone think there is a better large screen tab for under £100 at the moment? Obviously the cons of the Nook HD+ are the propriety charger, lack of cameras (thought that really isn't an issue for me) and lack of GPS and the other things taken for granted on other tabs. But I can't seem to find anything under £100 that comes close to the Nook's display. 9" full HD is pretty impressive for that price. Everything else I've seen has really poor resolution, or a smaller screen (or both).

The large circa 2000x1200 display of the nook is good so I think you have the best value for your use, as the other weakness ie procesor and graphics accellertion won't effect your music.
I use my look for web reading, comics and pdf manual reading and its excellant for that.

Just be aware that the Nook OS is 3 generations behind and likely won't support many recently written apps. To make it fully functional you'll have to install a custom ROM. If you do that it's probably the best value in an Android tablet.
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lmacmil said:
Just be aware that the Nook OS is 3 generations behind and likely won't support many recently written apps. To make it fully functional you'll have to install a custom ROM. If you do that it's probably the best value in an Android tablet.
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Yup, definitely wouldn't consider it without CM11, but I can't find anything else that comes close to matching the screen size and quality for £80. My finger is hovering over the payment button... [emoji2]

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If you do that it's probably the best value in an Android tablet.
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+1.
The Nook HD+ running CM11 is my favorite amongst all my tablets which include the Google Nexus and Samsung Note. Prior to the HD+my favorite tablet was the Nook Tablet running CM10/11. It's too bad that BN got out of the tablet hardware business.

digixmax said:
+1.
The Nook HD+ running CM11 is my favorite amongst all my tablets which include the Google Nexus and Samsung Note. Prior to the HD+my favorite tablet was the Nook Tablet running CM10/11. It's too bad that BN got out of the tablet hardware business.
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Great, you've sold me.
Next question is, which is the most stable, CM10 final stable build, CM11 (and if so, the latest nightly or the M12 snapshot) or SlimKat? I use SlimKat on my Galaxy S4 and love it's layout and features. I've posted a question on the SlimKat thread here, as 9.0 is the latest stable but the build for the Nook seems to be 8.12...

Oops, just realised the above post might come across as a "which ROM is better" request which are (quite rightly) frowned upon in these parts. It's more which is the most stable. My sense from reading here is that it's CM11...

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Oops, just realised the above post might come across as a "which ROM is better" request which are (quite rightly) frowned upon in these parts. It's more which is the most stable. My sense from reading here is that it's CM11...
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The most stable is CM10.1.3.
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It's more which is the most stable. My sense from reading here is that it's CM11...
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Here are some data points for you. My wife has the HD+ and runs 10.1.3. She mostly surfs the web and watches movies but will occasionally look at Yelp or Facebook and run a few other apps. I have an HD which was running 10.2.1 until yesterday. I had no issues on 10.2.1. Yesterday I installed CM11 snapshot M12. I have only used email, Chrome, FB and a weather app. So far, so good. The only hiccup installing CM11 was that I couldn't backup to or install from the external SD card. Had to do both from internal storage but other than that it went smoothly.

Thanks guys. I'm think gonna start on CM11 M12, prefer to be on KitKat. I saw a YouTube video saying bluetooth causes lag on CM11, is this still the case? And is there the same problem on CM11?

Personally, a custom CM10.2.1 (Android 4.3) build by @Jon Lee has been exceptionally stable for me with F2FS for /data and /cache partitions. No lag, no bugs, extreme stability and exceptional battery life.
Link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58382663&postcount=148

Can anyone give me a summary as to why F2FS is better than Ext4? I'd never heard of F2FS before I started looking on here for Nook HD+ advice.

gordonthegopher said:
Great, you've sold me.
Next question is, which is the most stable, CM10 final stable build, CM11 (and if so, the latest nightly or the M12 snapshot) or SlimKat? I use SlimKat on my Galaxy S4 and love it's layout and features. I've posted a question on the SlimKat thread here, as 9.0 is the latest stable but the build for the Nook seems to be 8.12...
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I've been running CM11 (snapshot builds) for nearly a year now, it's been very stable for my use of the tablet -- email, news and web surfing, occasional Hulu/Netflix streaming.
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gordonthegopher said:
Can anyone give me a summary as to why F2FS is better than Ext4? I'd never heard of F2FS before I started looking on here for Nook HD+ advice.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2697069

Well, I've gone for the latest M12 snapshot of CM11 with ext4 and ART. Haven't played too much so far, but very happy with the Nook HD+ overall. The screen is fantastic! Perfect for my main usage as a sheet music display (we make so many tweaks in rehearsals I was ripping through paper in no time! 9" 3:2 is just about big enough to read in portrait mode and this way we only have to print right before a gig. Savin' me some trees!)
Thanks for everybody's advice.