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Saw this on the cingular forums. Looks like it will be on the 19th.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060613/nytu118.html?.v=56
I think they just said an update.. Is it an entirely new rom?
thats good news, too bad i sold my phone for a dopod S300 (htc startrek) smartphone...
Thanks for the info bro.. Nice to see finally the official one coming out this month...
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Saw this on the cingular forums. Looks like it will be on the 19th.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060613/nytu118.html?.v=56
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Looks like they may change the pricing to force DirectPush users to purchase a special plan al la BB. That sucks.
I mean, come on, DirectPush is not like BB where Cingular has to host servers to support it .... DirectPush requried *no* support from Cingular at all and as such they should not expect a premium for it's usage, IMHO. But, business is business.
I can understand (although I don't agree with) the idea of charging more for a "PDA" plan than a data plan from a "not-so-smart" handset - Let's face it, the data usage on a device used to check email regularly is going to use the network far more than a WAP browser.
(Of course, as "dumb" handsets gain more features, and the data services get faster, that rationale may start to fall apart)
What I think is unconscionable is to take two devices that offer the exact same email capabilities (at least with regard to data transport), operate at the same speed, etc. (i.e., the 2125 and 8125) and charge different rates for each of them... Is the idea to punish an 8125 user for going with a bigger form factor (which is why many people may choose that device), or for using additional PPC-specific software that doesn't touch the EDGE network?
If they want to start tiering the services and restricting ports to those that don't pay the higher fees, that would be one thing - but charging differently based on which handset you're using??? give me a #[email protected]$! break!
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I can understand (although I don't agree with) the idea of charging more for a "PDA" plan than a data plan from a "not-so-smart" handset - Let's face it, the data usage on a device used to check email regularly is going to use the network far more than a WAP browser.
(Of course, as "dumb" handsets gain more features, and the data services get faster, that rationale may start to fall apart)
What I think is unconscionable is to take two devices that offer the exact same email capabilities (at least with regard to data transport), operate at the same speed, etc. (i.e., the 2125 and 8125) and charge different rates for each of them... Is the idea to punish an 8125 user for going with a bigger form factor (which is why many people may choose that device), or for using additional PPC-specific software that doesn't touch the EDGE network?
If they want to start tiering the services and restricting ports to those that don't pay the higher fees, that would be one thing - but charging differently based on which handset you're using??? give me a #[email protected]$! break!
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I agree with all of the above. It will be interesting to see how they "detect" DP users. Perhaps they will block the heartbeat ports by default and open them for DP "subscribers".
Extra features from other ROMs?
So, I wonder if the new ROM will be interesting enough to warrant an upgrade away from the other ROM's that are out there?
I haven't upgraded myself yet (I'm dangerously close to doing so), but features like the "turbo" button / overclocking thing would sure be nice sometimes.
TTFN
I guess a question that should be asked is what happens to those already paying for the PDA Data Connect. Will we have to pay more? No one has said for sure and my call to Cingular CS was a waste of time.
Yay for T-Mobile and completely unlimited data + hotspot for $30/mo.
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It will be interesting to see how they "detect" DP users. Perhaps they will block the heartbeat ports by default and open them for DP "subscribers".
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Or maybe create a dedicated APN for heartbeat users (a la Blackberry)
my 8125 is still running on my attwireless plan, and my 'data plan' is mmode unlimited. I'm willing to bet that when dp comes out I'll be able to use it without any problems. I could be wrong, but they seemingly don't care about attw users, so I'm thinking that I'll be able to slip under the radar.
Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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Push Mail is available with any of the AKU 2.0 ROMs.
As for leaving an app running all day...well, if you're runing Exchange Server on your PC that's probably all you're running on that PC.
That said there are a few ISPs that offer Exchange email, mail2web.com and 1and1.com are the two that come to mind right away.
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Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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The release of this is targeted more at corporations running exchange than your day to day pc user. Exchange server is a very expensive piece of enterprise software that people spend years learning how to use. If you were able to set up an exchange server on your home pc in a few hours with no prior knowledge, I'd bow to you. In any case, its a great thing for those of us with a company with exchange, direct push is awesome.
Blocking DirectPush
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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DP is a non-http/80 port. They could very well block it because they are the service provider, and they can decide to provide the servce, or deny it.
I'm very much on the boat of being pissed for paying more for a larger phone. Hell, the phone itself is more, why do I have to pay more to use it? Wonder if this is an issue, say I've got a 2125, give me the cheaper data plan, how would they know the device is different? The only, I repeat ONLY way they could tell is if they implemented an IMEI check every time a DP protocol was initiated. I would imagine this would be wasted bandwidth, and cingular wouldn't give a rats ass other than they wanna make the money where it can be made - that said if you can shell out a few more pesos for the bigger, better phone, then cingular comes along with their bigger better **** to ram you with... flippin' corporate america... when's it gonna stop.
RE: the t-mo user, yeah, t-mo, horray, don't work hardly anywhere I am, and the voice quality blows - unfortunately here in the Bay Area, I need my phone to have better service. I'd rather go with MetroPCS before t-mo... horrible phone cust svc, horrible support, horrible CS people, plain poor network for where I am. I don't like to dog networks, but man, T-MO is a long way from being 'acceptable' for Cali's Bay Area.
I'll tell you what my friends... just wait until Metro offers u/l web browsing and data for $5/mo on their a-la-carte plans... maybe then the big dicks of Verizon, Sprint, and Cingular will come off their high horses and help us little people out with a reasonable u/l data plan, like $20 flat fee, don't care what device you have - u/l text, data, pix. That'd be the day.
t-mobile's service is horrible EVERYWHERE, and my friend just quit them for that reason today. i have cingular, and i really like cingular. i haven't had a dropped call in well over 5 months now (the original issue was related to a weather program plugin for my 8125), and i have $20 unlimited internet/1500 txt/50mms. i'm not really caring about 3g at all now...
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Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
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Cingular could easily block the port and charge for it if it wished to do so.
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I'm very much on the boat of being pissed for paying more for a larger phone. Hell, the phone itself is more, why do I have to pay more to use it? Wonder if this is an issue, say I've got a 2125, give me the cheaper data plan, how would they know the device is different?
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The device type can be checked every time it is powered on and registers on a tower. If a carrier really does want to tie service cost to a device it can.
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RE: the t-mo user, yeah, t-mo, horray, don't work hardly anywhere I am, and the voice quality blows - unfortunately here in the Bay Area, I need my phone to have better service. I'd rather go with MetroPCS before t-mo... horrible phone cust svc, horrible support, horrible CS people, plain poor network for where I am. I don't like to dog networks, but man, T-MO is a long way from being 'acceptable' for Cali's Bay Area.
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Wow, I'm suprised to see a Bay Area person NOT like T-Mobile. I'm also in the Bay Area and coverage is fantastic. Dropped calls simply aren't an issue. Get EDGE coverage everywhere and CS has been pretty top notch when calling in with an esoteric combination of unsupported devices and getting them to work. Cingular's not bad, but there are plenty of places in SF where the T-Mobile line gets a crystal clear connection, but the Cingular line has issues holding the connection to a Cingular tower. When that happens I just force it to roam on the T-Mobile tower.
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stormj said:
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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DP is a non-http/80 port.
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Actually, over-the-air Activesync runs over port 80
I am NOT one of the iPhone people, however, I did see a commercial for the iPhone and the key feature was actually viewing a list of your voicemail messages so that you can decide which message to listen to and which one to skip over, and not waste your time on. Has anyone got their hands on this and been able to make it Wizard compatible? Of all the "features" on the iPhone, this one is the only one I'd truly want or even use.
Please if you have heard anything about this application, and whether anyone can HTC-ify it, please post and let me know...or if there is an individual 3rd party app out there the is very similar, I'd sure appreciate a linky.
Thanks.
as far as i know this feature depends on the provider. it's a special service that AT&T offers for the iphone.
T-Mobile (germany) had to implement it in their infrastructure to have the iphone show the messages in the mailbox.
so, it's not only a tool and i guess it won't work with providers, that don't have the rights to sell iPhones.
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as far as i know this feature depends on the provider. it's a special service that AT&T offers for the iphone.
T-Mobile (germany) had to implement it in their infrastructure to have the iphone show the messages in the mailbox.
so, it's not only a tool and i guess it won't work with providers, that don't have the rights to sell iPhones.
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Well now, THAT sucks!!!
I am NOT going to AT&T or buying a stupid iPhone...but damn, I wish I had that feature with Tmo!!
akashastrega said:
Well now, THAT sucks!!!
I am NOT going to AT&T or buying a stupid iPhone...but damn, I wish I had that feature with Tmo!!
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I hear you on that one... I really liked that feature when I saw it on TV and was wondering the same thing myself but I doubted it as soon as I thought of it and now it is proving to impossible... Sadly...
GotVoice.com also has this service. You link to your v-mails via their site. Sorry, no stand-alone app, plus I think you have to pay for the service and/or to have an account.
Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
yep get used droid, you can use its camera, gps, download textfree/pinger and get text messaging
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Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
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ADude said:
Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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If you want something radical try, www alwaysinnovating.com/products/minibook.htm
There is also the samsung galaxy pmps, www linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-Galaxy-Player-4-and-5/
Also look at Archos, but their smaller units tend to be resistive touch screens so check the descriptions well.
And finally a google search for 'android pmp camera' should turn up a couple hits.
-Zhin
Check out the archos 43 here
http://www.amazon.com/Archos-43-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B0042RRTOC
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ADude said:
I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
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This is my thinking on the matter, too and is the reason why I still use a cheap Chinese Windows Mobile 2G clone phone through T-mobile. However, I've noticed that Phone companies are starting to roll out small data plans for about $10.00 a month. That might be enough to get me to finally buy a smart phone, given that I'd mostly use WiFi for data.
Once tethering plans become affordable I'll probably go with that, but I'm talking $15.00 a month on top for data & tethering, and who knows when (or if) prices will ever reach that level (especially with AT&T swallowing up T-Mobile... yaaay, go duopoly!)
Samsung is making one galaxy player I think its going to be called
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Too bad reviews say it is terrible
I would say simply wait for the Samsung Galaxy Player to actually be released, hopefully this spring.
JLCollier2005 said:
Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
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I am now looking into this, there are lots of Droids on ebay.
I assume that "BAD ESN" only matters if you are going to use it as a cell phone, and for Wifi use, it would not matter ?
Also, I noticed in the completed listings that some with cracked screens sold for just as much as ones without flaws. Why is this ? Is there some easy way to get the screen fixed ? (Just curious on this one.)
If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
This......can't be true........where did you learn of this?
Not surprising
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Could you please link a source for this information? Thanks!
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apDroid said:
Could you please link a source for this information? Thanks!
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+1: source please
P3droid announced it. When i get time ill link
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Here is the link from MyDroidWorld: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
Here is the entire post:
Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers
Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers
Background
I don't believe that I need to introduce myself, but if I do my name is P3Droid. I am a phone enthusiast and have been working in the Android platform for 17 months. I have been very lucky in my short time on the Android platform. I think more than anything I have been lucky enough to be in the right places at the right times. The day I first saw and played with the Droid (OG) I thought “that is the ugliest damn phone I've ever played with”. Then I was asked back into the store by my friend (nameless) to get some time with the Android platform and he began to explain to me how open the phone was and how a “smart” person could do anything they wanted to the phone. That turned what I thought was an ugly phone into the sexiest beast ever. I guess that was approximately October of 2009, and I was excited about the possibilities and dove right in without checking the depth of the water.
I spent much of the year on an open phone and an open platform, and sometime in July I picked up a Droid X. I soon found a great bunch of friends and we formed Team Black Hat. Really wanting to break the bootloader, we spent more hours working on it than we did our 9 – 5 jobs. Eventually we came to the conclusion (with help from some unique resources), that we were not going to accomplish our objective. Every so often we still pluck away at it, but we have moved on to other things that will help people enjoy their Droid phones.
Fast forward to October 2010. I'm still in love with the concept of android, and I've done more than my share of developing, themeing, creating ROMS and even hacking. *Having been involved in so many things and having developed some unique contacts, I have been privy to information that is not disseminated to the masses. Some of this information I was asked to sit on. Some information I sat on because I felt it was best to do so for our entire community. You have probably seen me rant on occasion about what I thought the community was doing wrong and causing itself future pain. Each of those days I had received even more disheartening information. So where does this leave me? It leaves me with a difficult choice to make. What to tell, how much to tell, and do I want to give information out that could possible be slightly wrong. I've worked very hard to verify things through multiple sources, when possible, and some other information comes from sources so reliable that I take them at their word.
This brings me up to today. I've tossed and turned regarding how to say this, and how to express all of the information and my feelings in regards to this information. I guess the solution is to just let you all decide for yourselves what you think and what you want to do.
One Shoe Falls
Beginning in July, we (TBH), began hearing things about Motorola working on ways to make rooting the device more difficult. This was going to be done via Google through the kernel. No big deal we thought, the community always finds a way. When Froyo was released and there was no root for some time we became a bit concerned but soon there was a process and even 1-clicks. This was good news and bad news to me, because it simply meant that they would go back to the drawing board and improve upon what they had done.
During this time there were still little rumors here and there about security of devices, and other such things but nothing solid and concrete. Until November.
The Other Shoe Falls
Beginning in October, the information began coming in faster and it had more of a dire ring to it. It was also coming in from multiple sources. I began to rant a little at the state of our community, and that we were the cause of our own woes. So what did I hear?
1. New devices would present challenges for the community that would most likely be insurmountable, and that Motorola specifically – would be impossible to hack the bootloader. Considering we never hacked the previous 3G phones, this was less than encouraging.
2.Locked bootloaders, and phones were not a Motorola-only issue, that the major manufacturers and carriers had agreed this was the best course of action.(see new HTC devices)
3. The driving forces for device lock down was theft of service by rooted users, the return of non-defective devices due to consumer fraud, and the use of non-approved firmware on the networks.
I think I posted my first angry message and tweet about being a responsible community soon after getting this information. I knew the hand writing was on the wall, and we would not be able to stop what was coming, but maybe we could convince them we were not all thieves and cut throats.
Moving along, December marked a low point for me. The information started to firm up, and I was able to verify it through multiple channels. This information made the previous information look like a day in the park. So what was new?
1. Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids.
2. Manufacturers who supply Verizon were baking into the roms new security features:
a. one security feature would identify any phone using a tether program to circumvent paying for tethering services. (check your gingerbread DroidX/Droid2 people and try wireless tether)
b. a second security feature would allow the phone to identify itself to the network if rooted.
c. security item number 2 would be used to track, throttle, even possibly restrict full data usage of these rooted phones.
The Rubber Meets the Road
So, I wish I had more time to have added this to the original post, but writing something like this takes a lot of time and effort to put all the information into context and provide some form of linear progression.
Lets get on with the story. March of this year was a monumental month for me. The information was unsettling and I felt as if we had a gigantic bulls-eye on our backs.
This is what I have heard:
1. The way that they were able to track rooted users is based on pushing updates to phones, and then tracking which meid's did not take the update. There is more to it than this but that is the simple version.
2. More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program.
1. What I was not told is what the carriers intended to do with this information.
3. In new builds the tracking would be built into the firmware and that if a person removed the tracking from the firmware then the phone would not be verified on the network (i.e. your phone could not make phone calls or access data).
4. Google is working with carriers and manufacturers to secure phones, and although Google is not working to end hacking, it is working to secure the kernel so that no future applications can maliciously use exploits to steal end-user information. But in order to gain this level of security this may mean limited chances to root the device. (This item I've been told but not yet able to verify through multiple sources – so take it for what you want)
5. Verizon has successfully used its new programs to throttle data on test devices in accordance with the guidelines of the program.
6. The push is to lock down the devices as tight as can be, but also offer un-lockable devices (Think Nexus S).
The question I've asked is why? Why do all this; why go through so much trouble. The answer I get is a very logical one and one I understand even if I don't like it. It is about the money. With LTE arriving and the higher charges for data and tethering, carriers feel they must bottle up the ability of users to root their device and access this data, circumventing the expensive tethering charges.
What I would like to leave you with is that this is not an initiative unique to Verizon or Motorola, this is industry wide and encompassing many manufacturers.
So what does all this mean? You will need to make your own conjectures about what to think of all of this. But, I think that the rooting, hacking, and modding community - as we know it - is living on borrowed time.
In the final analysis of all this I guess I'll leave you with my feelings:
I will take what comes and turn it into a better brighter day, that is all I can do because I do not control the world.
Disclaimers:
I am intentionally not including any names of sources as they do not want to lose their jobs.
This information is being presented to you as I have received and verified it. *
I only deal with information pertaining to US carriers and have no specific knowledge concerning foreign carriers.
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I saw that on Droid Life yesterday and got sad. I am in between contracts now and am debating on getting the Thunderbolt which is wide open for root or waiting for the Bionic, which if it is like the Atrix, might not be rootable at all. Now with this info i am even more lost on which one to get
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I saw that on Droid Life yesterday and got sad. I am in between contracts now and am debating on getting the Thunderbolt which is wide open for root or waiting for the Bionic, which if it is like the Atrix, might not be rootable at all. Now with this info i am even more lost on which one to get
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Dont get discouraged. Ive been on android since the og droid. These posts come out all the time. The thing they will attack is tethers. Which is understandable being that they are stealing.
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What concerns me more is that can they or will they differentiate between a rooted phone custom ROM and rooted phone with the person tethering.
I am provided with a paid tethered phone from work with unlimited data plan. I do not use my personal phone to tether. I like the option of having custom ROMs so that I can have the most optimized phone available and not one slowed or battery life lost to bloatware or bugs in the kernal/radio.
Looks like it'll be the lg g2x for me. Or the Xperia arc if it's released in the U.S. with t-mobile's bands. After the merger, who knows
+1 same here man.
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What concerns me more is that can they or will they differentiate between a rooted phone custom ROM and rooted phone with the person tethering.
I am provided with a paid tethered phone from work with unlimited data plan. I do not use my personal phone to tether. I like the option of having custom ROMs so that I can have the most optimized phone available and not one slowed or battery life lost to bloatware or bugs in the kernal/radio.
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This is horrible.
I find it hard to believe that the industry is spending all this time and money on something that is much easier to control from functionality that already exists. Take AT&T for example. They have tiered data plans. Really it doesn't matter if you tether because the more data you use, the more they charge. And that is what this is ultimately about. Money. If a phone company wants me to stop using tether, rather than putting time and effort into the phone, just limit the data. If I owned Verizon, this would totally be the route I would take my business. Forget spending money on locking down the customer. Offer a superior network at a premium price and let the customer go wild. You want to tether 15 devices? Go right ahead, I don't care how many devices you use, but you are limited to 3GB of data for a month and you will be charged exponentially more for each GB over that allotment. Is it really that hard to figure out?
piperat said:
Dont get discouraged. Ive been on android since the og droid. These posts come out all the time. The thing they will attack is tethers. Which is understandable being that they are stealing.
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No its not stealing im paying,for unlimited data which I should be able to use how I want. Tethering or not. I dont download torrents and **** over cell data or anything just use it for gendral browsing and email same stuff I would do on the phone just on a larger screen.
U know how much a txt message costs to send but its 20 bucks a month for unlimited txting....its a ripoff look it up.
Just my 2cents
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You pay for unlimited data to your phone. If you want unlimited data on anything else you should pay the fee they ask for. Its their company they can charge what they want and for whatever they want. You signed the deal. They didnt force you to. If you dont like what they charge for their services find another company that will give you a better deal.
thorpe24 said:
No its not stealing im paying,for unlimited data which I should be able to use how I want. Tethering or not. I dont download torrents and **** over cell data or anything just use it for gendral browsing and email same stuff I would do on the phone just on a larger screen.
U know how much a txt message costs to send but its 20 bucks a month for unlimited txting....its a ripoff look it up.
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Is this limited to Motorola and Verizon only or all Verizon phones and devices?
nubsors said:
I find it hard to believe that the industry is spending all this time and money on something that is much easier to control from functionality that already exists. Take AT&T for example. They have tiered data plans. Really it doesn't matter if you tether because the more data you use, the more they charge. And that is what this is ultimately about. Money. If a phone company wants me to stop using tether, rather than putting time and effort into the phone, just limit the data. If I owned Verizon, this would totally be the route I would take my business. Forget spending money on locking down the customer. Offer a superior network at a premium price and let the customer go wild. You want to tether 15 devices? Go right ahead, I don't care how many devices you use, but you are limited to 3GB of data for a month and you will be charged exponentially more for each GB over that allotment. Is it really that hard to figure out?
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From what I read a while back, Verizon is going to tiered data plans, along with a handful of other carriers... I believe it was on xda, phandroid or android central that I had read multiple news articles about this...
piperat said:
You pay for unlimited data to your phone. If you want unlimited data on anything else you should pay the fee they ask for. Its their company they can charge what they want and for whatever they want. You signed the deal. They didnt force you to. If you dont like what they charge for their services find another company that will give you a better deal.
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Technically the data is still running to your phone, so it shouldn't matter. Plus I remember with 2.1 or something like that tethering was "suppose" to be free...
But this argument could go either way really... I see the view point from both sides and I think with a tiered data plan (over XX amount of gb of usage) should be enacted. Also maybe throttle the people downloading torrents or large amounts of data, and offer the tethering fee to unlock the full network speed to those people that download mass amounts of data and use tethering as their only or main source of internet (basically just a little rework of the system they have in place now). I mean I like to be able to tether when I'm on a roadtrip or don't have access to internet (mainly at work there is a dead spot for the wifi due to the radiology classes being inbetween our wifi antenna and the break room. This is caused by the lead lining in their walls). I don't download anything other than what little data I would be using on my phone normally to check some forums, facebook and the occasional email when I want to view those on a bigger screen due to eye and neck strain while eating my lunch. In all honesty, when you break it down, I use A TON less of data while I'm tethering than when I would use my phone as intended due to the tons of apps I run constantly with the constant updates. Now I know that is not the case for the majority of the people that use free tethering, but like the saying goes, why let a few bad apples ruin in for the rest (which is why I stated the throttling of large amounts of data being downloaded such as torrents...my cable internet provider already does this, so it can't be hard for them to implement).
This is not an attack on you personally if it came out that way, jsut a bunch of my scattered thoughts as I've running off of an average 1-2 hours of sleep per night for the past week and I have to be up for work in about 4 hours. And that's also my excuse if this sounds like complete gibberish. lol
racereddy20 said:
Is this limited to Motorola and Verizon only or all Verizon phones and devices?
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It says in the article...
piperat said:
You pay for unlimited data to your phone. If you want unlimited data on anything else you should pay the fee they ask for. Its their company they can charge what they want and for whatever they want. You signed the deal. They didnt force you to. If you dont like what they charge for their services find another company that will give you a better deal.
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Sure, it's their company and, therefore, their say, but the problem is that there are only 4 big telcos, soon to be 3 (AT&T-Mo, Verizon, and Sprint), and they're all in on it together. They all know that they can screw the consumer by charging extra for everything. Sprint's not as bad as the other 3, but they're not innocent either.
This is the same as how ISPs can theoretically do whatever they want as long as they tell us, but in practice it works out quite badly for the end user because you have about one or two choices of ISP where you live.
I'm not necessarily saying tethering should be free. But I'm DEFINITELY saying it's not worth $30 extra. A $5-10 add-on is all I see it worth being.
I think this will end up like the Iphone jailbreak.
Supreme Court said that the Purchaser OWNS the hardware and can do whatever the hell they want to it...F-Off Apple!
I think the same would happen...
i remember some time ago, someone developed an app or program to install on the phone that tricks t-mo into how much usage you actually use. He had a screenshot of over 10GB of data used without being throttled. I searched but cant find and wonder if anyone knows where it is or can link me and does it work?
I don't think anyone here will/should aid you openly in circumventing TMO's data usage regulations--
this was a thread posted on XDA with many replies and views. I dont think T-Mobile should throttle my unlimited plan either
I do remember that thread but just use Google, found a few diffrent places with step by step how to
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When I was back in the states for a month, I brought my T-MO account out of suspension. I was under the impression I had an unlimited account (as that is what was listed on the website). It turns out that it was limited to 5GB. Well, I didn't find that out until half-way through the month when I got a text saying they were going to throttle my speeds. I wasn't too happy about it, and I called customer service to complain and find out what my options were. My only option was to switch to another plan that required a new 2 year contract and then pay an extra obscene amount to get data past the 5GB point. I wasn't pleased when I hung up the phone.
Lo and behold, next time I need to use the internet with my laptop (my only internet access was through tethering), I found my speeds were not throttled. I guess T-MO uses software on the phone to actually do the throttling rather than something network-side. By the end of the month, I had used 8GB (which I didn't feel bad about considering my plan was advertised as unlimited).
Anyway, moral of the story: CM7 doesn't seem to be affected by throttling with T-Mobile US (as of June/July 2011).
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Anyway, moral of the story: CM7 doesn't seem to be affected by throttling with T-Mobile US (as of June/July 2011).
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That is over 9000% wrong.
If you didn't know about the fine print that is your own fault and while it may be a little misleading it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
Been on T Mo for years. They implemented this what, a year ago. I'm well aware of it and am trying to hook someone up. First post attacked me as if it wasn't on this site somewhere when in fact it is or was for a while. I know how things work around here.... somewhat ...lol
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I wasn't attacking you on being incorrect about the thread. I remember it also. I was commenting on what I perceived (correct me if wrong) was an app to cheat TMO out of it's ability to throttle speeds above 5gb.
I am totally against that policy, but respect their right to do it. I also find the ads misleading.
But, if the app does that, then it is, to me, like finding a way to make free long distance calls when your company charges for them.
An ethical question, if not illegal procedure.
So, my comment was saying I didn't think someone would help you do that.
Again, if I am wrong on the purpose of the app, sorry. If not, I stand by my opinion.
evilkorn said:
That is over 9000% wrong.
If you didn't know about the fine print that is your own fault and while it may be a little misleading it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
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When I ordered the plan, they listed it as unlimited. When I viewed it on the site, it didn't have a data counter near it, it just said unlimited. So there wasn't even a way to see how close to the 5GBs I was getting. And I am not going to read through 30 pages of fine print just because they want people to think they have an unlimited plan (which as you state, is unlimited, just at a slower speed).
If they had let me know I had a 5GB cap before my speeds would be throttled, I would've totally changed my habits to prevent me from ever reaching that (I had downloaded an ubuntu ISO for a friend while we were out and about - definitely could've waited until I got to an area with wifi, had I known). I had no intention to go over, but when they try and mask what their plans are, how are we supposed to know unless we are lawyers and are able to understand their fine print.
Now that I know what my limits are, I won't ever reach them again. But do I feel bad for hitting their limits and then being able to go over them because I was running CM since they do their best to keep that information hidden? Absolutely not!
evilkorn said:
it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
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FYI: You just defined limited.
I live in a big city, so I'm never going to hit my 5GB or 2 or whatever it is this week, mostly because the 3G speeds are horrible here and WiFi is everywhere.
My complaint is that T-Mobile implemented a fundamental change to a service that is locked into a contract and they won't let you out of it.
Joe USer said:
FYI: You just defined limited.
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It's a speed limit, not a data limit. Unlimited data is unlimited.
from what i been searching around the internet, it all points to editing the services.jar to achieve this.
i havent found anything about an app to do something like this yet, so i wouldnt be so sure if there is.
but something like this in general would be nice to have just to get alittle more speed than was intended for
update: guess this is the page you were looking for OP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052064
it was ment for the g2x so it might not play so nicely with our N1s, but yeah if you really wanna look into doing this google is your friend! lol
htc g2
Buck Shot said:
i remember some time ago, someone developed an app or program to install on the phone that tricks t-mo into how much usage you actually use. He had a screenshot of over 10GB of data used without being throttled. I searched but cant find and wonder if anyone knows where it is or can link me and does it work?
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I use to have a htc g2 with a $50 dollar prepaid plan witch only give me 100mb 4g data speed
after I root my phone I also flash the HBOOT from the European phone htc dezire z after I did this I use all 4g I want and tmobile does not detect my data usage but this only works with wap.voicestream.com apn not epc you have to delete all default apn and create a new one with wap apn
now this seems to work only on htc g2 because I upgrade my phone to sensation 4g I root this phone flash radios,roms use different apn nothing works on this phone tmobile detect my 4g data use.....