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Three questions regarding root and the OTA

So, I got my Moto X on Verizon today. The OTA started downloading already. Luckily, I turned off all data before it could finish downloading (it's at 8% now). Obviously, I can't connect to data 'cause it will automatically start to download.
I want to root though. I know I'm supposed to use PwnMyMoto. However, I know that the OTA breaks root. I've read around all the posts--and I can't seem to find a conclusive way to keep root on the OTA after gaining it; each post I read says something different.
Additional piece of info: I don't care about anything regarding custom ROMs or the bootloader. I intend to keep the stock ROM, but use Xposed.
So, my three questions:
1) Is it okay to root even though the download of the OTA has started?
2) What is the conclusive way to keep root for the OTA?
3) After rooting, how would I go about returning everything back to stock? (I plan on using this phone for a next week or so, then returning it--this is because of the price drops and MotoMaker for Verizon coming out soon; at this stage, I just want to know if this phone is right for me).
Thanks for all the help in advance.

Just boot into Recovery and wipe data\cache and dalvick this will reset your phone. Then resetup your phone, the OTA will come back up, tell the OTA to REMIND you about it, not download it. Then use pwnmymoto to get root, and then just freeze the OTA downloader (MotorolaOTA.apk). Continue to use your phone, customize it with xposed etc etc. When you want to return it, use RSDLite and flash the stock FXZ file to it its totally back to stock again out of the box.

Am I too late?
I have the update on my phone, but would want to root it. I have the moto x on verizon it's not the developers edition.

No need to wipe data. You can root while the download goes then install ROM toolbox and delete the update from your cache and freeze the moto updater.apk and updater.apk to stop the notification. As for.rooting the update I think jcase said install pwnmymoto but don't run it then update. But IMO its not worth it cause if anything gets messed up you get updated and loose the opportunity to root.
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enigmaco said:
I have the update on my phone, but would want to root it. I have the moto x on verizon it's not the developers edition.
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If you installed the update your SOL. If its just downloaded your OK to root.

I ended up not accepting the update. I'm not going to either. If by the time I return this phone I deem it worthy of a replacement for my GNexus--then I'll worry about root and the OTA. This is awesome stuff.

shane1 said:
No need to wipe data. You can root while the download goes then install ROM toolbox and delete the update from your cache and freeze the moto updater.apk and updater.apk to stop the notification. As for.rooting the update I think jcase said install pwnmymoto but don't run it then update. But IMO its not worth it cause if anything gets messed up you get updated and loose the opportunity to root.
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If you installed the update your SOL. If its just downloaded your OK to root.
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Had a feeling oh well missed the boat again.

[Q] some questions - rooted VZW dev ed. xt1060

Hi,
Have my dev ed xt1060 rooted and running 4.4.2 stock rom with xposed
This morning when I turned on the phone it downloaded the OTA update which I am assuming is kk, 4.4.4
The update has not been applied yet as I don't want to lose root... I had a bad experience with Samsung and the whole Knox bs and that is why I moved over to the MOTO X dev ed.
If I do update the phone, will I lose root? Will it be hard to get root back??
Is there a way to save the update for later if I want to do that??
Just don't want to get screwed again like I did with knox.... once bitten twice shy, right?
Thanks!
drumrjoe

You need to be on stock recovery and system changes undone as well. In other words Xposed needs to be uninstalled and other changes undone. All original system apps need to be there... Etc. If you've done much to the phone, it's best to flash stock 4.4.2 again, take the Ota and yes...flash custom recovery and root again.
Or.... Wait for flashable files for your model and flash in fastboot. Done.
Personally, I always wait and flash the files with fastboot.
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This guide has a return to stock section if you need help....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
Do not flash firmware older that 4.4.2....or you will more than likely brick.

Thanks for the help!!
I've got this icon on the upper left of my screen to start the system update... Is there a way to remove that without updating yet??
Is there a way to save the update for a later date, when I have backup up everything and also to make room??
Thanks!
dj

[Q&A] MoFo IMG AT&T XT1097 (root, tether, xposed)

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Thanks for understanding and for helping to keep XDA neat and tidy!

My /data directory is empty. Can I assume I don't need to follow the steps to delete the two folders?

busybox
Any chance on getting busybox baked in as well?

AlwaysHere said:
Any chance on getting busybox baked in as well?
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Do you know anyone with an XT1095? If so it is really easy to do and they can make a nandroid of their system and just restore it when they are done.

JulesJam said:
Do you know anyone with an XT1095? If so it is really easy to do and they can make a nandroid of their system and just restore it when they are done.
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Sadly I don't know anyone around that has one. Looks like I'll have to wait until it's released somewhere on here. Thanks JulesJam.

Newbie questions
I've received my Moto X yesterday (bought a used one on Amazon). Unfortunately I haven't ask the seller which exact model of MotoX it was and it turned out that it is AT&T one and bootloader can't be unlocked.
Tried to go through all topics connected to MotoX but still have a couple of questions. If this this is wrong topic please tell my where to post.
1. Using MoFO, should I be able to install debloated firmwares (without AT&T bloatware) on my phone? I don't need root but I wan't pure stock Android without carrier-specific apps.
2. If I use MoFo and don't like it, can I go back to official stock and receive OTA updates?
3. Do we have any hope that someday (say, in one year) someone (like Sunshine) finds a way to unlock bootloader? Is that hardware-impossible or just such an exploit wasn't found yet?
4. Assuming that such exploit probably will need KitKat, will I be able to downgrade to 4.4.4 later if I update 5.0.2 OTA now?

qyron said:
1. Using MoFO, should I be able to install debloated firmwares (without AT&T bloatware) on my phone? I don't need root but I wan't pure stock Android without carrier-specific apps.
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Yes but to make it you have to either use another device with an unlocked bootloader like a Nexus 9 or a Moto X 2013, or if you know someone with an XT1095 they can make it for you. Or if you know linux you can make it.
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qyron said:
I've received my Moto X yesterday (bought a used one on Amazon). Unfortunately I haven't ask the seller which exact model of MotoX it was and it turned out that it is AT&T one and bootloader can't be unlocked.
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Can you return and buy an XT1095 instead? That is what I would do.
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qyron said:
2. If I use MoFo and don't like it, can I go back to official stock and receive OTA updates?
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Yes read my noob guide in the General forum (it is linked to in the OP of the MoFo thread).
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qyron said:
3. Do we have any hope that someday (say, in one year) someone (like Sunshine) finds a way to unlock bootloader? Is that hardware-impossible or just such an exploit wasn't found yet?
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I don't have any hope. No one is working on it. jcase and beaups aren't interested in motorola phones anymore and they were the only ones pretty much working on it who have the skillz needed to do it.
And maiko1 hasn't been responding to questions about MoFo via the forum or by email. He hasn't been on XDA since 5/27/15 so I don't know what is going on. It is like he abandoned MoFo. Maybe he is sick or in the hospital and can't respond, idk, but he hasn't been responding to anyone in awhile. When 5.1 drops, the copy of MoFo you have now won't work on it. He would need to update the MoFo site and I worry that he isn't interested anymore.
If you have the ability to return the XT1097 and get an XT1095, that is what I would do.
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qyron said:
4. Assuming that such exploit probably will need KitKat, will I be able to downgrade to 4.4.4 later if I update 5.0.2 OTA now?
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There is no reason to think that the exploit will be found on KK. jcase and beaups looked for one and didn't find one and gave up.
And no, you will never be able to downgrade your bootloader to 4.4.4 once you upgrade to 5.0.2.

JulesJam said:
Yes but to make it you have to either use another device with an unlocked bootloader like a Nexus 9 or a Moto X 2013, or if you know someone with an XT1095 they can make it for you. Or if you know linux you can make it.
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Can you return and buy an XT1095 instead? That is what I would do.
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Yes read my noob guide in the General forum (it is linked to in the OP of the MoFo thread).
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I don't have any hope. No one is working on it. jcase and beaups aren't interested in motorola phones anymore and they were the only ones pretty much working on it who have the skillz needed to do it.
And maiko1 hasn't been responding to questions about MoFo via the forum or by email. He hasn't been on XDA since 5/27/15 so I don't know what is going on. It is like he abandoned MoFo. Maybe he is sick or in the hospital and can't respond, idk, but he hasn't been responding to anyone in awhile. When 5.1 drops, the copy of MoFo you have now won't work on it. He would need to update the MoFo site and I worry that he isn't interested anymore.
If you have the ability to return the XT1097 and get an XT1095, that is what I would do.
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There is no reason to think that the exploit will be found on KK. jcase and beaups looked for one and didn't find one and gave up.
And no, you will never be able to downgrade your bootloader to 4.4.4 once you upgrade to 5.0.2.
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You say we can make images using linux, can you make a guide or at least explain quickly how this is done? I'm moderately proficient in linux and I'm thinking about being the guinea pig who tries to make a rom for the XT1097.

darknessrise1234 said:
You say we can make images using linux, can you make a guide or at least explain quickly how this is done? I'm moderately proficient in linux and I'm thinking about being the guinea pig who tries to make a rom for the XT1097.
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If you're moderately proficient I won't go into too much detail, you basically just use the mount command to mount the ext4 image then modify then unmount then flash.

G4 Man2 said:
If you're moderately proficient I won't go into too much detail, you basically just use the mount command to mount the ext4 image then modify then unmount then flash.
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So I'm right it has to be an installed image, not a fxz? I have a 5.1 fxz and I was looking to attempt a 5.1 image for our 1097.

Does gravitybox work with on this image?
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JulesJam said:
Do you know anyone with an XT1095? If so it is really easy to do and they can make a nandroid of their system and just restore it when they are done.
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For some reason the xposed doesn't work for me.
See screenshot from attachment
I got a ATT xt1097
My flash procedure:
1. enter recovery and wipe data/cache
2. flash stock image with just root
3. wipe cache(If I don't do this there will be a bootloop)
4. enter system, turn on Unknown Sources (read from another website), Install Xposed Installer (tried both 2.7 experimental1 and 2.6.1), delete everything in dalvik-cache
5. fastboot flash your mod
6. wipe cache
7. enter system, there is a long updating app process.
8. open Xposed installer and it doesn;t work

lihanchen said:
For some reason the xposed doesn't work for me.
See screenshot from attachment
I got a ATT xt1097
My flash procedure:
1. enter recovery and wipe data/cache
2. flash stock image with just root
3. wipe cache(If I don't do this there will be a bootloop)
4. enter system, turn on Unknown Sources (read from another website), Install Xposed Installer (tried both 2.7 experimental1 and 2.6.1), delete everything in dalvik-cache
5. fastboot flash your mod
6. wipe cache
7. enter system, there is a long updating app process.
8. open Xposed installer and it doesn;t work
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Are you using mofo?

JulesJam said:
Are you using mofo?
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Yes. otherwise I can't flash. AT&T sucks
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JulesJam said:
Are you using mofo?
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And one thing I notice is that every time there is a 10-second starting app process before loading the launcher after the Moto Earth animation. Similar dialog as updating apps

lihanchen said:
Yes. otherwise I can't flash. AT&T sucks
And one thing I notice is that every time there is a 10-second starting app process before loading the launcher after the Moto Earth animation. Similar dialog as updating apps
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You need to follow the instructions in the OP exactly as written, by what you posted you aren't doing that. There is no need for instance to enable Unknown Sources.

JulesJam said:
You need to follow the instructions in the OP exactly as written, by what you posted you aren't doing that. There is no need for instance to enable Unknown Sources.
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I tried turning on/ not turning on unknown sources
Also use ES file explorer/ adb shell to delete dalvik cache
Also wipe cache/ not wipe cache after flashing the mod.zip (second zip)
Can't get it working anyway

JulesJam said:
You need to follow the instructions in the OP exactly as written, by what you posted you aren't doing that. There is no need for instance to enable Unknown Sources.
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Let's discuss in this post. I accidentally sent a post on the original thread instead of Q&A and can't delete it.
I googled "xposed installer" and clicked the first link, tried both 2.7 experimental 1 and 2.6.1, installed with adb
Also, for last step, I installed "APM+" module and it didn't work.

lihanchen said:
Let's discuss in this post. I accidentally sent a post on the original thread instead of Q&A and can't delete it.
I googled "xposed installer" and clicked the first link, tried both 2.7 experimental 1 and 2.6.1, installed with adb.
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But what version of the Xposed installer was used when the dev made the image? That may be the issue as the installer has been updated but I am not sure if the image was. Idk the anwer - the dev would know.

JulesJam said:
But what version of the Xposed installer was used when the dev made the image? That may be the issue as the installer has been updated but I am not sure if the image was. Idk the anwer - the dev would know.
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From the release date, I believe 2.6.1 is the correct one.
Plus, in another post about mofo image of motoX gen1 of the same author, he mentioned explicitly of xposed installer 2.6.1

lihanchen said:
From the release date, I believe 2.6.1 is the correct one.
Plus, in another post about mofo image of motoXat gen1 of the same author, he mentioned explicitly of xposed installer 2.6.1
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Well if you are using the correct version of the installer and following the instructions in the OP for the image as written it should work. I would flash back to stock system and start again from scratch if it isn't working for you making sure you are following the instructions.

How to Disable OTA on Rooted Note 4 with TWRP?

Hi...
So I rooted my Note 4 and installed custom recovery TWRP. Before I did, I postponed an update (OTA) for the phone to 1 AM PST.
After rooting...the Notifications still show
"T-mobile Update Service" with that rectangular icon... and underneath says "Update Postponed"
Now...I thought installing TWRP should BLOCK OTA automatically...is something going ot go horribly wrong at 1 AM PST and will it try to install Lollipop on my Note 4 anyways?
Please help!!

BUMP

Have a look at this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2919543
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From that thread
I am on the NJ7 and can confirm any update check comes back with the "custom software, no updates for you" message.

Does it apply to ANK4? Unlike that poster - update check works for me...and it works a little too good and provides what is in each log.

Maybe it's because you rooted in a funny way?

Are you saying that rooting via the SuperSU UPDATE .zip and recovery is "funny?" I don't understand what's so funny about it. It's another method that isn't revolved around some auto-flash option.

It's still why you're getting ota's
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How'd you do it anyway? Abd?

What does CFAuto Root do differently that "blocks" OTAs? Just wondering what logical reasoning this is based on

I flashed TWRP with Odin - then I used UPDATE SUPERSU v2.6 .zip and installed via recovery. That was it. Launched SuperSU and it worked.

It looks more like you rooted the phone.
Custom binary, etc.
Are you sure you're rooted?
You can use rooted apps, etc.?
Did you trip Knox?
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Ota's won't go to rooted phones.

Yes. I am rooted. Is the method I did archaic or something? lol. I have SuperSU. I granted several apps root access - I have TWRP installed -and I used RootChecker and granted it access and it confirmed I have root as well.
Tripped knox...more than likely..not sure how to check
I rooted AFTER I got update notifications of TWO updates...perhaps a fluke?
Thank you for all your help )

It's fun talking with somebody with phone skills.
Just never saw anybody skip the cf-autoroot step.
Me.
I don't get the update notifications cause I'm lost in rom land.

You could probably kill the update process with titanium.

I'm just glad I'm finally getting some answers. I've been rooting across very different types of phones for a while, but each new release has its own weird...little grouped up programs and auto stuff. I tend to avoid all auto-solutions and opt for manual as possible.
what do you think about my deal with OTA? I didn't actually check for updates...its the same updates before root that are being notified to me

This search may help
http://www.google.com/search?site=&......1c..64.mobile-gws-hp..0.1.54.3.ehLqx9i8kTc
I've never run stock rooted for more than a day.
But, I know people stop the update nagging thing.

I uninstalled fotaclient.apk (one of the update's names) - along with the other update (incsyncmdl or something) and lastly FWUpgrade.apk.
I backed up Incsync and FWUpgrade..but not fotaclient. Say for purposes - i actually want to update or restore that...how would I find FOTAClient.apk again?
I guess it's no biggy..just breaks the in-phone updater...but still allows me to flash like normal unrooted stock roms in the future via Odin anyways

How are you uninstalling?
With titanium you can just freeze and then unthaw later.
But, you can always pull the apks out of one of the stockish roms in the Android development section.

I don't see the .apks in the Stock ANK4 rom. just recovery.img, boot.img and some unopenable .bin files...

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Newbie having trouble rooting my phone, Android 4.4.2

Hey everyone. I just got a Note 3 n900a after having been with Windows phone for about two years now, and I'm having some real trouble rooting it. I realize it's an older phone, so it seems most development has kind of slowed for the phone. But I'm hoping someone might have some advice here to help me get this thing rooted, so I can install a custom ROM on here. The stock one is bugging the hell out of me.
So here's what I've done. I tried rooting it with an Odin tool and Root de la Vega. When trying to actually run the tool, it detects the phone in download mode and everything, starts, then fails. Doesn't want to go any further. I can't remember the specific error it gave. So I tried the Towelroot method, which is supposedly the best way to do it. Towelroot runs and says it's successful. Root checker says otherwise. I even went ahead and factory reset the phone, kept absolutely everything at default, tried again, and it doesn't work.
I'm stumped. My model number is SAMSUNG-SM-N900A, my android version is 4.4.2, baseband is N900AUCUCNC2, build number is N900A-AAR-CONVERSA-SHOY.2015.08.24.1105, and security version is MDF v1.0 Release 2. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance!

This might help with rooted LP on the n900a: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703006
There is not much development for the n900a because the bootloader is locked which means the phone can't run TWRP or custom ROMs unless the ROM can be installed via safestrap and is based on a stock Samsung ROM.

Awsom0 said:
Hey everyone. I just got a Note 3 n900a after having been with Windows phone for about two years now, and I'm having some real trouble rooting it. I realize it's an older phone, so it seems most development has kind of slowed for the phone. But I'm hoping someone might have some advice here to help me get this thing rooted, so I can install a custom ROM on here. The stock one is bugging the hell out of me.
So here's what I've done. I tried rooting it with an Odin tool and Root de la Vega. When trying to actually run the tool, it detects the phone in download mode and everything, starts, then fails. Doesn't want to go any further. I can't remember the specific error it gave. So I tried the Towelroot method, which is supposedly the best way to do it. Towelroot runs and says it's successful. Root checker says otherwise. I even went ahead and factory reset the phone, kept absolutely everything at default, tried again, and it doesn't work.
I'm stumped. My model number is SAMSUNG-SM-N900A, my android version is 4.4.2, baseband is N900AUCUCNC2, build number is N900A-AAR-CONVERSA-SHOY.2015.08.24.1105, and security version is MDF v1.0 Release 2. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance!
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The de la Vega root method doesn't work anymore. If you are on NC2 you can use towelroot.
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Oops, I misread your post. I don't know why towelroot isn't working it worked just fine for me.
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I would recommend factory resetting your phone and then reflashing stock NC2 and try rooting with towelroot again. Don't mess with any settings after you flash. Go straight to towelroot
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Also run an hash check on your downloaded firmware if possible to ensure it isn't corrupted. And make sure you are using a REAL Samsung cable to flash. People think it's B.S. but it isnt. I have HARD BRICKED PHONES using cheap gas station cords.
The firmware I used to root was N900AUCUCNC2_N900AATTCNC2_N900AUCUCNC2_HOME.tar.md5. It is 2,275,231 KB in size. Make sure yours matches
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[/COLOR]I would recommend factory resetting your phone and then reflashing stock NC2 and try rooting with towelroot again. Don't mess with any settings after you flash. Go straight to towelroot
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Hey thanks for your reply! That worked! I'm rooted now and I've got*the phone exactly how I wanted it, I appreciate it

What is safe strap I am also having trouble getting root on my N900a with towel root it says it works but after I run superuser it can not bypass knox