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I don't think so, this whole defect thing definitely left a stain on the Nexus brand.
When you think Nexus, you think perfect.
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I can almost guarantee there were more devices that were perfect versus those that had issues. Plus Googles time frame for start to finish was a little ridiculous.
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No chance in hell they use crappy Asus again. I'd put money on it.
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Maybe they'll change up the way they release a new product through the Google Play store. The whole bit with people being able to get them through retail channels faster than the preorders was a disaster. I hope they stay with Asus, if they can learn from their mistakes. I'm sure it's a pretty steep learning curve for the manufacturing and QC guys for any new product line.
Yes. I think most of ASUS problems are with it's initial batch of tablets. After about a month things seem to smooth out. So I'll probably do my best to hold out a month next time. But that's so hard for me because I'm impatient too.
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I don't think so, this whole defect thing definitely left a stain on the Nexus brand.
When you think Nexus, you think perfect.
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There's threads like yours in the galaxy nexus forums saying the exact same thing but about Samsung and how google should choose another company. All these companies will have their own problems. The nexus like is not perfect and not meant to be, its where google test its new android builds.
I'm really surprised to hear about all the quality issues with the Nexus, it's pretty disappointing . I have the OG Transformer and I LOVE it, it's been amazing.
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I can almost guarantee there were more devices that were perfect versus those that had issues. Plus Googles time frame for start to finish was a little ridiculous.
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I agree with the time frame being ridiculous, but I don't know about most devices being perfect considering how many people are going through multiple replacements with defects. It'd be different if the first replacements everyone got were perfect, but I see a lot of people settling on units with relatively minor defects because they fear that their 4th replacement will be worse than their 3rd. I love my Nexus 7, but even I'm settling on the minor defects that it has (minor screen separation and multitouch issue) because I'm afraid that a replacement would be much worse.
No matter which OEM Google uses in the future, there will always be unhappy people. My device is rock solid and defect free.
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Classic mistake... Listening to a vocal few instead of noting the happy silence of the overwhelming majority of satisfied customers.
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You know, I really can't say. We know of EVERY little problem the N7 has because we come to this forum. But I think Google has had and expects stuff like this, with any company.
I've had 2 Asus Android tablets, and both have problems. The N7 has very slight screen lift ( no big deal to me) and that's it. My Transformer Prime had shot GPS, crappy WiFi, and buggy software....BUT, I love what they do. The Transformer line is one of a kind beast, and the N7 is even better. First 10" Tegra 3 tablet with keyboard dock style, First 7" Tegra 3 tablet with JB...for $199 to top it off So I think I am willing to take chances to stay on the newest/ hottest gear...and Asus has that gear. So I'd say Google should give Asus another shot if they can fill their needs.
To be fair, screen Flickr is because of the tegra 3 (it is an issue with teg3 HTC ONE X's; screen color problems = defects from the screen manufacturers (LG, SHARP, SONY,not Asus)... Same issues in OneX/XL/S's with varying hue and color temp.
Screen edge coming up or slightly moving.... Because it's not glued in, making it easier to service... Pop off the backing and tighten the damn screws.
Some people have the slightest issues and return items blowing the issue excessively out of proportion... Some of these people are also the most vocal on forums.
Ultimately the returns/exchanges are less than 1% of total units sold and happens to every device. Let's remember when the Xoom first came out... Anyone? Lol
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I don't think so, this whole defect thing
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Errm, what "defect thing"...
Or are you one of these unfortunate people that have no concept of perspective and context?
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Classic mistake... Listening to a vocal few instead of noting the happy silence of the overwhelming majority of satisfied customers.
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Ding ding ding.
And even for those with defects, they aren't exploding, they aren't catching on fire. They just didn't use enough glue on one single side. Not a big deal.
As a rather funny note, all the ASUS preorder hate seems irrelevant in Germany where the device isn't even available yet at all.
Sometimes, Google is way too USA.
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There's threads like yours in the galaxy nexus forums saying the exact same thing but about Samsung and how google should choose another company. All these companies will have their own problems. The nexus like is not perfect and not meant to be, its where google test its new android builds.
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i agree.
my vote is for yes. if google releases a nexus10, i bet asus will build it
When the Galaxy Nexus was released when it connected to 2G networks the volume would automatically decrease, do you think Google have scratched Samsung off their list too?
Why not? Asus are a wonderful manufacturer.
My Nexus 7 is perfect and my Samsung Galaxy Nexus is, too. I was worried about my products after reading these forums and I was constantly having to check for defects just to make myself feel better and then I realised how silly that is. Headaches over nothing, because a small minority are incredibly vocal!
I am always behind Asus after using their motherboards/monitors and enjoying my previous TF101 tablet.
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4 months to production is unheard of in this market. They gave us something cheap, fast, and good, so I am hoping Asus becomes the 'go to' manufacture for nexus tablet's.
Looking forward to November's nexus devices, and hope Asus is putting together a bigger tablet with a keyboard (2560x1600)
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I hope this spurs Google to start using their Motorola facilities to produce devices with nothing but 'nexus' etched into the back.
These OEMs with their disgraceful reskins, false promises of support, and either shoddy or overpriced hardware. They deserve nothing more.
It would also settle the patent war.
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When the Galaxy Nexus was released when it connected to 2G networks the volume would automatically decrease, do you think Google have scratched Samsung off their list too?
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Sounds like a software thing.
I would say the nexus 4 is somewhat a success and Google broke new grounds in price, performance, and design. For most of us the nexus 4 meets all of our needs is near perfect. But still most of the world knows nothing about a nexus or what stock android is. I encounter a lot of what I would consider the average customer and to explain to them what stock is and why its better and why you should want a nexus its a lot for them to take in. Most people still know apple and getting a new phone requires a contract.
I think Google should have two nexus phones one high end one low end. Not this 8gb and 16gb 50 dollar price difference its just pointless. I am sure we could all agree a nexus 4 a little bit higher end and not so fragile at 400 dollars unlocked would still sell like hotcakes.
Now since its 2013 I would have to believe they could build a cheaper 150 - 200 dollar 4.3 screen size dual core basic spec phone and totally take over the prepaid market. Even take the iPhone route have one design keep it for 4 years. I mean why should stock android be the smallest group in android phones.
Last when did training videos go out of style. There is so much to learn in android average people will just not figure it out. Make a 20 min video showing how to do all the new features. Put it on the phone or link to right when they activate the phone. Apple is going to make a cheaper iphone might as well beat them to its so it doesn't look like you copied.
I think everyone should have an unlocked phone seeing how now its illegal. I don't see any advantage of being locked into a contract. And if Google really wanted to make an impact make Google voice support WiFi calling ( carriers will go ape **** ). People would pay for this at a low price. Any I'm not buying the argument that carriers could not handle the data usage in 2013. Or if dreams really come true buy T-Mobile. Its crazy to me what people are paying for phone bills and watching minutes and bandwidth.
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I'd be happy if they just brought their accessories like their Wireless Charging Orb. This phone isn't even complete yet.
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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I think we can all agree on 2 things this phone needed to make it legendary.
1. Better quality camera sensor
2. At least 3000 mAh battery
& I'm still waiting for that wireless charging orb!!!
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Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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They JUST bought Motorola. It will take at least 18-24 months from time of purchase for you to see anything that has been "Google" driven. First few months they will probably restructure the company so you can count those months out already.
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I think we can all agree on 2 things this phone needed to make it legendary.
1. Better quality camera sensor
2. At least 3000 mAh battery
& I'm still waiting for that wireless charging orb!!!
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And LTE
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Fataldesain said:
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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Android needs Samsung HTC Sony and LG to succeed. If they start showing Motorola favoritism, other OEMs might move away from Android. At this point they are playing safe.
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Android needs Samsung HTC Sony and LG to succeed. If they start showing Motorola favoritism, other OEMs might move away from Android. At this point they are playing safe.
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Move away to what I think its the other way around.
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They need to make a phone from scratch instead of doing slight mods to everybody elses old parts. Every Nexus device has been like a kit car. They need to carry out their plans fully, if the part doesnt exist then make it.
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They need to make a phone from scratch instead of doing slight mods to everybody elses old parts. Every Nexus device has been like a kit car. They need to carry out their plans fully, if the part doesnt exist then make it.
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But thats the more expensive way to do it. Its much harder to completely design and manufacture a phone from the ground up than it is to take an already existing phone and modify it to fit your needs. Plus google doesn't build phones, they just worry about software and design aesthetics. They leave the hardware and major designing to the larger companies.
Better battery life indeed.
And they need to work better with the app making companies out there cause a lot of them has issues with android, specially the issue about the phone not going to deep sleep.
I think all day have to do is to be a perfectionist, focus on every little thing and make sure everything works great, and keep it at a low price.
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And LTE
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LTE works fine for me
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LTE works fine for me
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Show off, I got 35 Mbps down on hspa+
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Move away to what I think its the other way around.
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If the manufacturers wanted to make a big push for Tizen OS, it COULD be the next big thing. Also, there is WP8.
Don't forget that people scoffed at Android in it's infancy; some still do. But look at it now.
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They JUST bought Motorola. It will take at least 18-24 months from time of purchase for you to see anything that has been "Google" driven. First few months they will probably restructure the company so you can count those months out already.
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Does anyone here really think Google cares how many N4's are sold or whether people get served up ads or buy content from Play on a non-Nexus device? Those things are why Android exists. Samsung's sold 100MM Galaxy devices compared to about 3MM Nexus phones Google will have sold which includes the lifetime run of the N4. To the non-XDA world TW is Android. And at $299/349 the N4 is $100/150 higher than a subsidized better spec'd phone via a carrier. And the 90% of the U.S. not using an MVNO could care less if their device is locked. The enthusiast community (us) make up 5% of device purchasers. What we want and what's commercially viable or important are two different things.
And the whole "AOSP is fantastic" thing is getting a bit old. Back in the days of single core ships, 512K of RAM, and overlays the size of a house AOKP and AOSP drastically improved device performance. As it stands the h/w is ahead of the s/w so any improvements in fluidity and transitions are measured in milliseconds. And there are a ton of usability features in TW, Sense, and the like that make devices easier to use than stock. Here's a list of TW features from the N2 that have nothing to do with the pen. So you'll get updates faster on a Nexus device but as it stands Samsung's JB wireless stacks work where AOSP is borked. AOSP isn't the slam dunk it used to be. And it's doubtful you'll see the dramatic enhancements we've seen from 2>3>4 in future Android versions simply because the OS is matured now. So it’s cool as enthusiasts to have some Nexus options but naked Android on more than a small percentage of shipping devices is a train that’s left the station.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
And since Motorola is a mainstream high-volume manufacturer, to mayurolla’s point, I’d be willing to bet anyone here their new devices have an overlay because that’s what mainstream consumers (volume) dictates. The GN was available on the carriers at the same subsidized price as other overlayed devices and it only sold 750K units while the SGS2 and SGS3 sold in the tens of millions. That pretty much sums it up.
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Now since its 2013 I would have to believe they could build a cheaper 150 - 200 dollar 4.3 screen size dual core basic spec phone and totally take over the prepaid market. Even take the iPhone route have one design keep it for 4 years. I mean why should stock android be the smallest group in android phones.
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That's too low to be possible or feasible, but $250 or $300 maybe. I would definitely settle for one. I am not fond of oversized phones these day, and 4.2 - 4.5" 720p screen would do. However, I don't think this is the business model or plan of Google, they only want to release a single device with flagship spec and make it a development platform (imo), I don't think they are in the 'selling phones for profit' game like other manufacturers. Though I really wish the idea would come true, I don't like obese phones.
- Improve software optimization
- Get kernel to 3.8, up from current 3.4
- Improve customer service
- Release full source faster
- Allow preorders always
- Discourage devs from making ported apps, encourage only natively written
- More gestures
- Improve camera software
- Ui theme must be synced in all apps, can't have gingerbread look in some and holo in others
- Improved CPU logic for multicores, throw out mpdecison
- improve thermal logic
- throw out project butter, start fresh for 5.0
- lower GPU api access like on consoles, devs should have full access
- built in color settings
- new ui for 5.0
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Ace42 said:
- Improve software optimization
- Get kernel to 3.8, up from current 3.4
- Improve customer service
- Release full source faster
- Allow preorders always
- Discourage devs from making ported apps, encourage only natively written
- More gestures
- Improve camera software
- Ui theme must be synced in all apps, can't have gingerbread look in some and holo in others
- Improved CPU logic for multicores, throw out mpdecison
- improve thermal logic
- throw out project butter, start fresh for 5.0
- lower GPU api access like on consoles, devs should have full access
- built in color settings
- new ui for 5.0
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Start fresh...as in break compatibility?
longebane said:
Start fresh...as in break compatibility?
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Fresh as in their concept of project butter not android, that would be very dangerous and risky.I wanna see the type of speed bump you see when upgrading windows 7 -> 8.
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Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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I think the problem they have with the orb is it's entirely wireless, in the original image it's just an orb with no wires.
Yeah...looks like the second gen of nexus 7 will launch in july and it will feature a snapdragon chip.... my next tab
http://naldotech.com/jelly-bean-update-for-galaxy-s2-starts-rolling-out/
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Personally, I'll stick with my current N7, it still gets the job done nicely.
Blargh, I need a new tablet meow!! I don't want to wait until July to replace my crappy PlayBook, but it looks like I have to
Nice refresher but I don't see the need to replace anything for a different processor. It did mention smaller bevels so perhaps they are throwing in a 1080p screen.
If that is the case, we'll basically have a 7" version of the Nexus 10.
S4 + 1080p + HDMI out? + Same Price Point... eh
I could see the benefits. Is it going to be running Key Lime Pie out of the box? Might be another selling point.
I'm gonna sell my first n7 for the sec gen when it comes out
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They might improve the speakers with the next one
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I'm gonna sell my first n7 for the sec gen when it comes out
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When the new ones come out, our first gen will drop in price. For a used N7, you'd be lucky to get about $100 for it.... unless you screw over a family member or friend into paying more.
At that price, I'd almost just rather keep the damn thing and repurpose it. Perhaps a dedicated Toilet Reader, Bed side TV Player, Car Dock, Kitchen Monitor/TV/VideoPlayer, anything else, etc.
I have an old Sprint Galaxy Tab 7" running CM10 and runs like a top. I just can't find myself getting rid of it for the low price I'd have to sell it for.
which version should I buy?
Today I was going to buy a N7... and then they come up with this rumor. What do you guys recommend? Should I wait for this new version? or buy the actual one right away? If the only new features are the screen and the processor I think It's not worth the wait... but what if it comes with expandable storage, or a rear camera? What do you think?
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Today I was going to buy a N7... and then they come up with this rumor. What do you guys recommend? Should I wait for this new version? or buy the actual one right away? If the only new features are the screen and the processor I think It's not worth the wait... but what if it comes with expandable storage, or a rear camera? What do you think?
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If you CAN wait,I think it's worth the wait. I mean better processor,screen etc for the same price but that's my opinion
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Today I was going to buy a N7... and then they come up with this rumor. What do you guys recommend? Should I wait for this new version? or buy the actual one right away? If the only new features are the screen and the processor I think It's not worth the wait... but what if it comes with expandable storage, or a rear camera? What do you think?
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Yeah same thing here, I wanted to buy it as a present for my birthday next week. If it will be released in July, I think it is maybe worth to wait, but since I'm from the Czech Republic, it won't be available in another 3-6 months I think the price of the "old" Nexus 7 can't drop much, since it is really cheap now, so I guess I will buy it anyway.
P-pls tell me it is the right thing to do
My nexus 7 is slowing down. Can't keep up with my nexus 4. May have to sell it a few weeks before the new one comes out
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rafabr4 said:
Today I was going to buy a N7... and then they come up with this rumor. What do you guys recommend? Should I wait for this new version? or buy the actual one right away? If the only new features are the screen and the processor I think It's not worth the wait... but what if it comes with expandable storage, or a rear camera? What do you think?
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get the n7 and get the new one when it comes out too.
is it worth waiting?
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Yeah same thing here, I wanted to buy it as a present for my birthday next week. If it will be released in July, I think it is maybe worth to wait, but since I'm from the Czech Republic, it won't be available in another 3-6 months I think the price of the "old" Nexus 7 can't drop much, since it is really cheap now, so I guess I will buy it anyway.
P-pls tell me it is the right thing to do
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I was thinking the same, maybe it will be released in July, but it will take too long to arrive to other countrys. So I'll just buy mine today. Anyways, I don't care too much about the screen resolution and the Tegra3 is just enough for me. Now if the new model would come with a rear camera, that would be a killer feature.
I could imagine there will be a rush like when 1st gen and Nexus 4 came out, so I got the current one and planned to get the 2nd gen then let my family use the good old one, the combined cost is still lower than a full-sized iPad though.
shrinking bezel huh? 8" display please and better speakers. A better DAC would be nice also as the audio on the Nexus 7 is pure garbage. The fact that they are using a Qualcomm SOC this time around gives hope.
And as much as I would love a external memory card slot this is Google we're talking about. I'd settle for a micro HDMI port, I use my Nexus 10 now for presentations and the HDMI out makes it all possible.
In not upgrading unless they have some form of TV-Out out of the box. The Nexus 7 is running perfectly for me and it'll get latest Android version anyway. But if the price is good I might sell the current one to upgrade.
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Damn my birthday is in July now I don't know if I should get gs4 or the n7 2nd gen
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There is NO WAY i'm buying Second Gen N7 because first gen is still a beast at browsing, gaming, watching movies etc.
Just because it has higher resolution and a little bit better chip i don't think its necessary to buy this new one.
And what worries me most is the price, i mean come on even First Gen has been heavily hardware skinned down just for a lower price of 200$ (no back camera, no official Gorilla glass, no Dual-Band Miracast, etc.) so imagine what we will get for a 149$ price...i don't want to even think about it lol.
I ain't getting anything new in the next 4 years. The next tab I buy will probably have Tegra 8 or something. Can't be sure though. In the meantime, the N7 is storming through every task I throw at it.
Hopefully ASUS doesn't f*** this up again with the screen lift issues.
It's great that they are switching to snapdragon krait SoC because Tegra is a slow chip with weak gpu and single-channel memory, not to mention its high battery consumption.
I'd also like a more efficient display for better battery life.
Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
Eh low resolution screen is kinda a deal breaker, anything lower than 720p is a pain to use.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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That link doesn't have the most detailed info. I found; http://www.gsmarena.com/hp_slate_7-5317.php
Honestly disappointing screen kills it right there. The cam is better, but really I don't think 3.5mp means anything compared to a 1.2 both were good10 years ago.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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I think the slate looks good and is more of an alternative or maybe a compromise between some of the very cheap tablets and the nexus 7.
For me the smaller battery would be the killer. HP quote 2AH where as the N7 has a 4.3AH battery with 3 hours more use available. A four hour flight to Lanzarote would be marginal with the Slate by the time you take time at the airport into account, it will be used to keep my 2 year old entertained.
The expandable storage isn't an issue for me as I have the 32GB version. Not interested in holding a tablet up to take picture, I have a phone and a camera for that. HDMI; had that on my Nokia N8 and used it once to try it, I have used dlna to stream to the telly though.
To me it looks like someone at HP has bought a N7, looks at the pros (cheap, light,size) and cons (fixed storage, no back camera) and used it as a starting point and tried to beat it. Good luck to them but I think it will suit a slightly different market to the N7.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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It looks good... but I think you're probably right about it being too late to the game. If HP can market/advertise this as aggressively as Google has with the N7, then it might stand a chance. Google are repostioning themselves as 'content providers' - music, books, magazines - and the 'cheap-as-chips' N7 is a loss leading gateway, somewhat similar to Amazons Kindle.
Hewlett Packard are a tech company first and foremost, and don't have a similar repository of IP content that they can push to make this 'slate' a compelling purchase. In this digital age, people buy their tech based on what they can watch, read or listen to.
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Still, having said all that... it's an intriguing device... I like the microSD card slot (something sorely lacking on the N7).
If it has an easily unlockable bootloader (I don't know what HP's track record is on that), then I might consider getting one.
Rgrds,
Ged.
No GPS either.
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I had it with HP a long time ago. Laptops dropping dead all over the place for no apparent or discoverable reason. And then tech support being worse that shoving a cactus in my rear end. So no. HP is just. No.
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Screen aucks no GPS thick and ugly silver plus HP logo on there automatically kills it. The HP brand is no longer a symbol of cutting edge got to have technology. It is a symbol of a relic technology company that is holding on to its last strong hold which is server technology and enterprise.
I think it's a good timing. with N7 2.0 coming soon, ppl will consider this one as a cheap alternative to the N7 2.0 instead of the old N7.
rather be a Guinea pig and get more regular updates than to be stuck with something that will 99% of the time will never see the latest is update. plus don't have to worry about all the bloat that other companies seem to love to fill phones/tablets up with. Google has also shown even with older nexus devices they have been kept updated to atleast ICS where as other devices you could forget about it. I am sure when keylime pie comes out the nexus 7/10 will see it. how many tablets the same age or newer will see that?
like the genie off Aladdin said often imitated but never duplicated.
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I don't feel the HP Slate is anywhere near a competitor for the N7.
HP Slate 7 Android Tablet Review
Uhhh.. The Slate 7 is a stinker.
This is a quick unboxing and review of HP's latest attempt at an Android tablet.
I can't say a whole lot of good things about this tablet. I was sorely disappointed in the overall build quality. The screen was almost rubbery to the touch and it appeared to be warped and separated on the edges. The screen was odd and had almost a glazed look to it. The back camera is decent, but the front camera is not even adequate for video conferencing, let alone the occasional "selfie". The specs are sub par for the price, in my opinion. I wouldn't spend more than $99 US for a tablet like this. I have seen off brand, generic tablets that are build better. I suppose the one saving grace is the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1. For what you would spend on this tablet ($170 US), you should jump on a Nexus 7 or a Kindle Fire HD.
This thing is starting to make the HP Touchpad look like a great success.
These are my opinions, of course.
not a bad tablet but hp customer support is pretty crap. That and the fact that there laptops are gone really bad lately.
I think if they priced it at $99 you'd have a real alternative for people don't wanna spend $200 for a quality tab. But its only $30 less than the nexus 7, with considerably weaker specs. Who wouldn't just cough up the extra cash?
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It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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It's better to look at the Fonepad.
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I was considering getting one of these, but then all the specs fell below what the Nexus 7 had in store for me so I went with the Nexus.
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Doesn't even compete just look at the specs.
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yousef8824 said:
It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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Look at the wild benchmark differences on exact same devices!! Depends on a lot what you score. So benchmarks are basically meaningless. Anyone can sacrifice battery and smoothness to put up a good score!
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jimbobvfr400 said:
No GPS either.
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Got one today. It appears it does have a GPS. It pinned me right down to my house in Google Maps.
I will say this, it doesn't seem laggy at alll. The problem is that some apps (Instagram, SiriusXM, Foursquare, UPS Mobile, Jetblue, and others) are marked incompatible in the Play Store. Apps like Twitter, Facebook, Angry Birds Friends, etc. work fine.
I'm not sure what the delimiting factor is, but it may have something to do with the resolution and how the apps were built.
Hello Community!
Is it only me, or is everyone annoyed that our Nexus 7 Tables (2012/2013) Mobile version still have not received the upgrade?
Can't find any info on the web regarding this...
Anyone know why Google takes so much time?
I think the devs are very busy because they need to fix a lot of buggs on the not 3G 4G versions see Android 5.0.1 and Googles priority is also on the new devices
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Maybe, but over a month?
But the only thing different is the 3g radio. How difficult can it be to make a lollipo driver for it? Everything else is common for both 3g and wifi versions.
My neighbour has an LG G3 who just got the Lollipop update today, on 4g. I'm still waiting for the 2012 3g Nexus 7 update I won't buy another nexus device. What's the value in it?
The problem isn't with the mobiles but with tablets. I have a nexus 4 and just got the 5.0.1 update, still with the 4.4.4 on the nexus 7 2012 3G. Maybe Santa will bring a gift...
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Would the tablet work, if we flashed an image from the WiFi version?
Obviously the radio and 3g won't work - But I don't use those anyway.
Would the tablet function?
I think we'll never see any 5.0.x release on our N7, since 5.1 seems to be scheduled for February... Google seems so busy fixing bugs in Lollipop that I think cellular enabled nexus tablets won't receive any major updates soon.
On the one hand, it's annoying not to receive updates quickly, but in my opinion it is better to wait a little more and enjoy a stable operating system: for people with the WiFi only version, 5.0 was terrible, but with the latest update the situation improved a lot. I'm looking forward to knowing more about 5.1...
Anyway, I'm happy that Google is really supporting our old N7, and spending time in dedicated bug fixing.
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...Anyway, I'm happy that Google is really supporting our old N7, and spending time in dedicated bug fixing.
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A high-end nexus device from 2012 old?? Are you talking about the same device than the rest of us??
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A high-end nexus device from 2012 old?? Are you talking about the same device than the rest of us??
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Yes, I consider the 2012 Nexus 7 "old" too. It came out just 6 months after the Galaxy Nexus, and that phone hasn't had official support in over a year (it never officially got Kit Kat). So I agree, I'm thankful that Google is still supporting the original Nexus 7. I'd like it even better if the 3g version was updated too, but I have the WiFi version, so lack of new factory images for the 3g version doesn't affect me directly.
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If Google kicks me out on my N7 2012 3G I will lose any desire to buy another Google thing forever.
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no company
no company around this planet upgrade their old 2012 devices to Android 5.
only Google do that.
which company you would choose if Google dont produce an update?
The most 2013 models dont get an update.
and sry, i think Google were happy if people change the company who buy over 2 Sears ago a cheap device and cry every new Version for update.
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no company around this planet upgrade their old 2012 devices to Android 5.
only Google do that.
which company you would choose if Google dont produce an update?
The most 2013 models dont get an update.
and sry, i think Google were happy if people change the company who buy over 2 Sears ago a cheap device and cry every new Version for update.
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Whereas Apple on the other hand do and have updated their old iPhone 4s, iPad 2 (Both 2011 devices) + their iPad mini (2012 device) with the very latest IOS8+ :laugh:
The way I see it is this; if the hardware can support it why not update your customers software and keep them loyal. If its a case of it being a huge financial burden to optimise their software to make it work on inadequate hardware then fair enough.
If apple are prepared to update older hardware, then so should Google and you should encourage it rather than shoot down anyone that suggests otherwise and criticise them for buying hardware which they might only be able to afford; or are you suggesting we just lavish the rich with refinements?
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Whereas Apple on the other hand do and have updated their old iPhone 4s, iPad 2 (Both 2011 devices) + their iPad mini (2012 device) with the very latest IOS8+ :laugh:
The way I see it is this; if the hardware can support it why not update your customers software and keep them loyal. If its a case of it being a huge financial burden to optimise their software to make it work on inadequate hardware then fair enough.
If apple are prepared to update older hardware, then so should Google and you should encourage it rather than shoot down anyone that suggests otherwise and criticise them for buying hardware which they might only be able to afford; or are you suggesting we just lavish the rich with refinements?
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You pay a lot for apple devices, and that price contain future upgrades. Software develop costs a lot. If you buy top devices you get updates for almost 2 years, and that is not bad. If you buy a 50 bucks smatphone probably you never get an upgrade... So only google upgrades cheap devices, so why blame them? Also the sources are open so every developer can made new roms.
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It costs a lot of money and a lot of time to update a device. Google geht no money if they produce an update.
And Apple is a different story. a device from Apple costs three times more than a nexus 7.the Hardware is near identical. nexus7 has a nvidia tegra chip from 2011 and the other nexus use qualcom. so they need more Teams to develop.
Google is a company that need money to work, develop and produce products. i was wondered that they bring out Android 5 for the first nexus7. So if the tilapia get an update....wonderfull, if not ....also OK.
I recall reading a lot of articles and I believe even a quote from a Google employee saying the 3G/LTE models would be getting 5.0 in early December but here we are in January with not a peep from anybody about when it's coming.
Is there any news about Android 5 on 3G version??? It's been about two months now. Anyone?
Android 5.0.2 factory images for Nexus 7 Mobile (2013 and 2012)
Android 5.0.2 factory images for Nexus 7 Mobile (2013 and 2012).
If people have working 2012 models on kitkat (without much lag), might want to wait and find out how other people's reaction to it.
I just installed it. For some reasons, a signature mismatch prevented me from flashing the bootloader, but after a couple of attempts I just skipped that, since my 3G N7 already had the version included with Lollipop (4.23).
I'll let you know my first impressions soon
As it seems, it's just a matter of time for the OTA to roll out...
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